Phil Savage was (is) an idiot !

by AaronD on Feb 16, 2009 8:11 AM EST Comment 20 comments

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/02/browns_analysis_as_draft_appro.html

Regardless of what we do with DA his cap number stays at 8 mill plus due to the structure of Savage's contract. The whole advantage of trading DA before March 1st was to not only avoid paying the 5 million bonus but to also better in a cap friendly way.

Even though there are many teams in need of a signal caller there are just as many QB's available via free agency.

I put our chances of trading DA before the March 1st bonus deadline at 0%. Once we pay that figure I assume SF, Carolina and NYJ will be calling because DA's salary for 09 is a measily 1.5 million.

Stupid Browns.

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I’m not so sure. Think about it, it gave him two trade options if he was going to trade DA. Before March 1st, he could have probably gotten a high-middle round pick. However, this gave the team the option of paying that $5 mil, then having until the draft to trade him for a first round pick or a high second. Basically, he got Lerner willing to pay $5 million for a better pick. He bought a pick, in theory. We’ll see if it works out that way, but I can absolutely see his logic in this.

by Fundamentals on Feb 16, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I would like to see multiple picks, like a 2 and 3, or a 1 and a 4, something in that way. Should be a interesting predraft.

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by Grockcubs on Feb 16, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

This says absolutely nothing about Savage’s intellect. You have no idea what DA’s demands were as a restricted free agent. 8 million dollars is not a lot of money for a starting NFL QB, and considering the prudent contract he gave Brady Quinn, Quinn would be making comparable backup money for all the 08 season. In essence, the money allotted to the both of them is totally in line with the resources a successful team doles out to their first two QBs. Perhaps a bit high (b/c of Quinn’s bonuses), but of course it will be higher b/c no other team in the league has two starter quality QBs 25 and under on their roster.

This post, in a word: FAIL.

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by kwoog on Feb 16, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 16, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Failblog cracks me up so much. Thank god for RSS feeds, though they post new ones everyday so it’s not really necessary.

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by kwoog on Feb 16, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is this a peak at your first rounder on a scooter? May as well stick with tradition.

by raven on Feb 19, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a ravens fan who can’t spell? may as well stick with tradition…

by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 19, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You and some of your cronies, need to be more like maryrose (see below) on how to have a thoughtful non-childlike conversation. Or did mama forget to change your wet sheets last nite?

by talonk on Feb 19, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, as the PD reported it, the 8mil does not count against the cap if we trade him before we pay the bonus.

Anderson’s cap figure:
If we trade him before March 15: $0
If we trade him after March 15: $8.2 million
If we keep him all season: $8.8 million

by rufio on Feb 16, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

So it becomes an interesting question of the value we get in return for Anderson against the cap hit we take. A team might be willing to offer us more for him after March 15, does Mangini value what he gets in return so much that he is willing to take an $8.2mm cap hit this year?

by Roger Dorn on Feb 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I wrong in not caring at all what the cap hit is? I don’t think we came within 8.8 million of the cap’s limit any of the last three years, and it’s obvious that for his faults Lerner will pay money to conduct the team in the way he feels best (Romeo and Savage extentions/firings). What I mean is, I’ve read that with all the revenue coming in the NFL, the cap is growing so fast that it doesn’t come into play nearly as much as it used to. Thus, even if we splurge on some free agents, resign a couple of our own, and have a good draft, we’re not going to be within 9 million of the ceiling. Therefore, do whatever gets us the best return, DA’s figure be damned.

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by kwoog on Feb 16, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Getting rid of DA is much more than a cap savings

It is a commitment to a new direction and way for Brady Quinn to be handed the keys to the car without feeling like every time he sways left of center he is going to be pulled over. Quinn and Mangini need a fresh start and they need to be trusted. They need complete ownership without DA standing in the wings waiting for the flip flop to continue.

DA is a tweener. He is not good enough to be an upper echelon quarterback, but too good to be a backup. He needs to be in Detroit or Minnesota. He needs to go, regardless of cap implications.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Feb 16, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Totally agree with you, maryrose. Actually your posts are always interesting.
Too bad you’re a steeler! (he, he! it’s a joke…).

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by qix on Feb 16, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice of you to say

I bring a very unique perspective. I was born in Pittsburgh, lived in Cleveland for many years and lived in Youngstown, smack in the middle, for many years. 53 years in all three cities. Youngstown is the area of both Hatfields and McCoys. I have opinions and often people disagree with them, but I doubt anyone can top the total experience and understanding I have in all three cities that truly comprise the great Pittsburgh-Cleveland rivalry.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Feb 16, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All we need is for Mangini to sit both guys down and say, BQ is the starter and DA is the backup no matter how BQ does going forward. There would be no conflict and we could retain a serviceable backup qb. There is really no need to search for a backup when we have one in DA. If some team comes calling with an offer we cannot refuse, to take a backup qb from us, we can always listen.

by elsandito on Feb 16, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not to be overly abrasive, but this is a naive take. We’ve seen way too many QB controversies boil over in recent history to leave all the ingredients on the stove again. Time and time again, we’ve seen how brutal the crowds can be when their opinion, silly or well-founded, turns against the QB. We’ve made multiple grown men cry. Let Brady at least get established and fill in gaps at starting spots before we worry about having above average backups at QB.

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by danvail on Feb 17, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly. Just sitting them down and telling them that DA is the backup isn’t going to do anything. To say “there would be no conflict” is crazy, because the first time Quinn has a bad series the crowd is going to be chanting for DA. As long as they are both on the team, there will be controversy and the starter will be looking over his shoulder every down. The only way to end this is the trade DA and make Quinn the undisputed QB of the team.

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by Buckeye Brad on Feb 17, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs