Shaun Rogers Wanting Out of Cleveland: Fact or Fiction?
by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2009 12:30 AM EST
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Shortly after Eric Mangini was hired as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, reports indicated that he got off to a bad start with defensive tackle Shaun Rogers by not saying "hello" to him on two occasions.
According to a report Monday by NFL.com's Adam Schefter, Rogers still isn't happy. In fact, the situation could be so extreme that Rogers has asked the Browns not to pick up the $6 million option-bonus he is due next month. Would Rogers be so upset that he would pass up the $15 million in future bonuses he is currently scheduled to make?
Cleveland has no intention of getting rid of Rogers. It wants him back as the productive team member he was last season, when he was selected to the Pro Bowl. Browns coach Eric Mangini, according to those within the Cleveland organization, is still optimistic that he can change Rogers' mind once the two men speak. Mangini is said to have recently reached out to Rogers. Those who know Rogers say his mind will not be changed.
-Adam Schefter
Besides the obvious fact of why the Browns would not want to get rid of Rogers (he's one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL), there's another big reason: if released, it would result in more than $9.7 million against the team's salary cap. I know I keep stressing this, but if we're going to pick up Derek Anderson's $5 million bonus, we can't afford to throw away money anywhere else.
Schefter cites a similar incident occurring in New York when Mangini first took over the Jets:
But Mangini has had success in these types of settings. When he arrived in New York as the Jets' coach in 2006, wide receiver Laveranues Coles was, at best, a skeptic, but Mangini eventually won him over.
Now then, here comes the real question: does this entire story seem believable? Sure, maybe Rogers was a little frustrated that he wasn't acknowledged by the new management. But to form an attitude of "release me of my contract now" because of it?
Maybe because he put up with so many years of the Detroit Lions being so unappreciative of him, he senses something similar about to develop in Cleveland. Hopefully that's not the case -- Rogers is the heart of our defense right now and the only reason we can focus on addressing the linebacker position instead of the defensive line in Mangini's first year.
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I would be surprise to see something like this happen lets say in January but right before free agency? Come on it is simple. He is just stirring the pot of NFL rumors. I will consider this an issue if it is brought up about and made more concrete. Must wait for ESPN to report something then I will be worried. This could be a sign from Rogers saying hey I’m here and I want to know what is going on and be apart of something and not ignored. I think Mangini will try and fix this asap. If Shaun Rogers isn’t a Cleveland Brown opening day I will have draft hat ready for being a top 5 pick again in the 2010 draft.
I can totally see Shaun doing this. He was a problem in Detroit (we knew this going in)
But is too important to this team to be traded. Hopefully Mangini can make nice with our best defensive player……..
But what about this: Jenkins has basically fallen out of the top 5 with his 40 time and scouts saying he will play safety in the NFL and Curry is almost a lock to go Top 3.
So who do the Browns target?
BJ RAJI from Boston College.
Then trade Shaun to KC for either thier 2nd Round pick OR Larry Johnson
I am skeptical of this story. It doesn’t make any sense for the team to even trade Rogers because of cap repercussions. My prediction is Shaun is happy and playing with the Browns next season
This story does seem like non-sense, but I do worry that he’s unhappy having won only 4 games after expecting to be on a contender.
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Ravens should let Ray and Bart Scott go and then steal Rodgers. That gives us Rodgers and Ngata up the gut and two young LB’s in Barnes and Gooden. nice. I’m blogging for this in Baltimore.
Come on, we've all seen Seinfeld
You always say hello!
Yeah, why are people on this blog all over #92? If it’s true, it sounds like Mangini is the idiot here.
by JulioBernazard on Feb 25, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Does Rogers want a “kiss hello” from Mangini?
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 26, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I do believe this is true. If you look at Mangini’s past, he has had trouble dealing with players. The quote above mentions Coles but leaves out Pete Kendall, who the Jets traded to the Redskins and Chris Baker who the Jets just cut.
I understand the coach wanting to be firm, but it sounds like Mangini is just a tool sometimes. I thought that maybe he learned from his mistakes in NY, but his actions seem to be the same.
What is the point of pissing off the one great defender that we have? If we had one person on the defense that we NEED to have, it is Rogers. Mangini is really starting off of the wrong foot here in Cleveland.
And for those who suggest we trade Rogers, stop smoking crack. The only player in the NFL I would trade Rogers for is Kevin Williams of the Vikings. Simple as that. Rogers is a dominating NT. Those do not come along often.
take a valium, bernie. you’re jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here. i can’t imagine that mangina would deliberately piss rogers off.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 26, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Rogers is upset because Mangini doesn’t say hello, Hey Shaun get over it, goodness.
I am tired of this shit with the Browns, always some garbage lingering around.
Hell on Around the Horn, one segment was “Our Browns tired of Quinn” How does this shit always find the Browns?
I guess we fire Mangini and bring Wayne Fontes or whoever Shaun wants to head coach.
I would take Larry Johnson and a 3rd rounder for Rogers. His act will get old. Anyone want to wager he comes into camp out of shape and overweight? I guarantee it.
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I don’t know. The report says that Rogers wanted a sit-down meeting with Mangini and Mangini turned him down, saying he’ll talk to players at the March mini-camp. Rogers doesn’t seem like the idiot to me. Jim Donovan said last night on WKYC news that Mangini hasn’t really talked to any of the players. Why not? I mean, sure, maybe not every player. But there is absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t be talking to at least the leaders and best players. How much time does it take to talk to Cribbs, Rogers, Edwards, Thomas, Steinbach, etc.? Just give them a call, say that you know its a difficult time with a new coach and everything, but that you are still a big part of the future with this team. I had doubts about Mangini before, and they are growing quickly.
by Fundamentals on Feb 26, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me — Larry Johnson and a 3rd for Rogers?!? No way, Johnson has nothing left. We already have one washed-up RB, why do we need another one?
We do not need to trade Shaun Rogers. I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Let those guys sit down and talk it over. I certainly hope Mangini has been reaching out to Rogers and trying to straighten things up with him. I’ve heard many Jets players say good things about him after he was let go there so he can’t be as bad of a guy as some people here are making him out to be. Rogers needs to shut up and play football, not whine about somebody not saying hello to him. This isn’t junior high school.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 26, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m siding with Rogers on this one. I can’t believe you could miss the guy not once, but twice! Would a “hello, how are you?” be so tough to the bedrock of your defense? And to deny a specific request to meet? I’m sure Mangini is busy, but I don’t think he’s getting all that many direct invitations to meet from the players, let alone one of his Pro Bowlers. Rogers could make a big difference between a winning and a losing season. It is worth the effort to get him on board early.
I just can’t get up some sympathy for someone’s feelings like this. Even if Mangini intentionally neglected him, I still don’t feel bad for Rogers. Who here really thinks Mangini’s neglect was intentional? It’s a huge melodrama
Rogers should have passed Mangini a note saying “Do you like me? Circle yes or no.”
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 26, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree.
However, he came with this rep, and he’s a monster of a player. Monster players get treated differently, and I’m okay with that (as is Parcells). He’s a big baby, I’m completely unsympathetic towards his complaint, but for the love of God, everyone in football knows his rep. Thus, this is ultimately on Mangini.
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Count me in this camp.
The new regime has only one legitimate player (read: star) on defense that you NEED to make sure is happy and you avoid him. The story about the snubs were many weeks ago. I realize Rogers should “quit being a baby” or whatever, but as a new boss, you have to make sure your primetime guys are cool with you.
Well, it seems to be official. This is exactly the wrong way for a Coach to enter into a new situation with some talented players, let alone seemingly and purposely baiting the most talented and sensitive player on the team.
My countdown to a new regime has begun. We can only hope that this budding trainwreck know as ManKok is “only” given 4 years. Maybe Savage will still be available for re-hire in 2013.
On the bright side, it’s a good thing I’m moving to Asia in 3 months… I wasn’t looking forward to following meaningful Browns football from halfway around the globe. Problem solved, Mr. Lerner!
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Rant aside, it’s obviously time to review our options. Draft Raji (sp?) and trade Rogers despite the contract hit? Challenge him to play a la Chad Johnson?
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no way you can trade him. just absolutely no way given the cap situation. challenge him to play. but you’re right, it may be time to think more seriously about DTs than we otherwise would have.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
it just all reeks of such legendary amateurism on all sides…it’s more saddening than anything. you figure that players are children in many cases, but this is a complaint? the new coach hasn’t been nice enough to me yet? given that primetime players often have the capability to be mental midgets, though, you’d hope that someone, somewhere in the organization has the good sense to try to neutralize these instances. not by coddling, but just through common sense. clearly, our coach is not exhibiting that common sense so far. awesome.
if we win, all is forgiven. let’s see if Mangina can get them to buy into his X’s and O’s…before we jump ship, anyways. passing judgment as to whether or not he’s a dick, well, he’s made that easy.
by DontCallMeJoey on Feb 26, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I read a piece in one of the many bits flying around the Wide World of Web that suggested that Mangini was keeping his distance from the current players so that he could judge their talent dispassionately. I don’t recall if it was in a post or an article, but the idea does have some merit.
And even if it creates a bit of tension initially, that could all be put aside once they get face to face. I can recall countless times when we had a new CO or DivO projected to come aboard and stories would fly about how we were about to join Hell on Earth, but once folks would actually meet the guy they would usually forget the horror stories.
Maybe I’m just being an optimist, but I’m counting on it all settling out in the wash and Rogers continuing to be a dominant force on the Browns D.
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