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Sorry Prisco, but all of those tackles don't warrant this:

"22. Andra Davis, LB, Cleveland Browns: At 30, he's not the player he was a few years ago. But he had 90 tackles last season and can still be a productive NFL linebacker."

At best, I remember Davis having two or three games I was impressed with during his career with the Browns. He's also ranked ahead of safety Sean Jones on the list.

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I hate to see national writer’s credibility diminish before my eyes

by Roger Dorn on Feb 26, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

Um... no...

Adam Caplan of Scout.com has him ranked #47 in our free agent database. That might still be a little too high.

http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=83&yr=2009

by BarryMcBride on Feb 26, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

I’d say you’re right about it being too high. I like the fact that Davis had his contract restructured to give the Browns more cap space, and the fact that he’s actually making tackles rather than just bumping into guys and hoping they fall down is a nice plus as well.

But I keep reading that so many of his tackles were made well downfield. (It would be nice if the statisticians could figure that part into a meaningful number.) The question I have is (assuming that the claims that he gave up big gains prior to making the tackles is correct): Is it because he was cleaning up someone else’s mess or because he was constantly out of position?

Watching the players on the Browns D glancing around frantically to see where the other players were and where they themselves should be – play after play – the second theory seems very plausible. Then again, that very same scenario could be used to argue the first theory.

I don’t record the games and don’t trust the camera angles to tell the true story, so I’d be interested in what someone with a more critical eye may have seen.

by JustBob on Feb 26, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

None of the Browns players made a lot of tackles coming “downhill”. It really looks like they were coached to wait where they were, not attack downhill, and to let other guys come to help herd the ball carrier. I think that is part of it.

Another part is that Davis is just flat out slow. Period. He probably was close to “in good position”, but when you give a subpar athlete instructions to “wait” or to “read and react” and NOT to “attack”, “be agressive”, etc. you are putting together a perfect formula for stopping the run after 5 yard gains and giving up a lot of YAC.

by rufio on Feb 27, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi Barry.

I like your work. Thanks for migrating over here

by Roger Dorn on Feb 26, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Feb 27, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

A much better ranking. Still a little high perhaps since I don’t see him starting on many other teams, but then again I have to take into consideration that he does have several years worth of starting experience to increase his value. Maybe in an already-solid defense, he’d be a nice cheap option to plug in a starting role for a year. After all, we originally had similar intentions with a guy like Antwan Peek.

I know you’ve visited here before Barry, but thanks for the contributing comment :-)

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by Chris Pokorny on Feb 27, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Any list that puts Jones behind A Davis is sorely mistaken.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Feb 27, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

I think the ranking of 22 is just about right if every game was played during a blizzard

by dvd1204 on Feb 27, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

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