Jay Cutler Asks Denver to Trade Him - Could Cleveland Play a Role in a Deal?

by Chris Pokorny on Mar 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT in General News

Ever since Josh McDaniels took over in Denver, he rubbed QB Jay Cutler the wrong way -- far more than Eric Mangini did to Shaun Rogers, apparently. Yesterday, McDaniels was scheduled to meet with Cutler to "patch things up". Instead, this was the result of it, according to Cutler (via ESPN)...

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco. We weren’t in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I’m concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn’t sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he’ll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

"At the end of the meeting, he wasn’t like, ‘Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you’re our guy.’ It felt like the opposite."

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Sheesh. Let's pray Rogers doesn't end up feeling the same when he talks to Mangini.

After this meeting, John Clayton of ESPN speculated that the Browns could be the frontrunner in a possible trade for Denver. Why? Because Denver needs a starting quarterback in exchange for Cutler, and the Browns have two of them. Where does the problem lay in that situation? Well...we don't need a starting quarterback.

This could, however, hurt the market for Derek Anderson. If teams interested in Anderson -- such as the Jets or the Buccaneers -- dedicate their attention to Cutler instead, Anderson could end up being sold for lower value.

The ideal situation?

Cutler gets traded to a team for a first round pick, and then the Broncos turn around and ship that pick to us for Anderson; three-way trade style. Nothing but pure speculation on my part...don't go and start quoting me on RotoWorld or something.

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i believe you have the right concept here but the wrong QB involved. Cutler and McDaniels simply arent going to mesh and Pat Bowlen already said that Cutler may leave. Sooooo my counter to you is thus: Cutler to Tampa or Detroit (19th & 20th pick in 1st round overall) plus a we’ll say 3rd RD DC. If I’m McDaniels and feeling mean he’s going to Detroit due to the poor OL they have (TB’s OL is rather good actually) so he’ll get the snot stomped out of him & the lack of overall talent on the team. The Broncos come over to Cleveland and offer their #19/20 & the lower 3rd or 4th RD pick for Brady Quinn. Quinn knows the NE system fairly well and wouldnt be phased by a trade. He was at a business class in Northwestern when told about trade rumors involving him and such “& just shrugged & went back to to class.”
With recent events (No RT, 2,3,4 WR’s, TE, LB’s, another safety) etc the Browns need draft picks.

by sleepy042 on Mar 16, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions

If we were to trade Quinn and only be left with Anderson, I would flip out. I think to move Quinn, we would need to be getting Cutler on the other end of the deal….not saying that would be a straight up trade

by Roger Dorn on Mar 16, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that if you could trade Quinn for Cutler straight up, the Browns should absolutely take that deal. Cutler is far more established than Quinn.

by Cols714 on Mar 16, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Clearly, that’s why Denver wouldn’t do the trade

by Roger Dorn on Mar 16, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I forgot to put this on my above post so sorry:
Now I know there are Anderson detractors but he’s going to be making a less than top 10 salary for a starting QB in 2009. Why not roll the dice with him in 2009 vs an easier schedule and if he proves himself to be a good backup QB ie Jon Kitna then you have a very good QB draft in 2010 when you (at this point) have all your draft picks (and a possibly franchise tagged braylon edwards to work with) to trade.
I’m not sure but if 2010 is uncapped Cleveland could have his rights for another 2 years under the CBA changes. CP could you double check that?

by sleepy042 on Mar 16, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions

Something about Derek Anderson scares me. I seem to remember a game against the Bengals 2 years ago with 4 picks, 2 within like 30 seconds of eachother, which pretty much cost us a chance at a playoff berth. That still really keeps me from supporting him. However, there is something about him, that I feel since he is only 26, that maybe he is finally coming around, and might start to be good, which would suck if we traded him and he got better. Having said that, I still think BQ should ge the nod at starting qb. I know he may not be the answer as well, I just would rather have him start to really see what he can do. He didn’t look bad against Denver last year, the defense gave that one away, I was there. Second, he looked good against Buffalo as well. I would much rather trade DA instead of BQ, but obviously, I don’t make those decisions. If it were up to me, I would tade DA for a 1st, or a 2nd and a 3rd, sign Byron Leftwich, and let Byron and Brady battle it out for the starting job. But that’s just my opinion. I have no real interest in Jay Cutler. Everyone says well, he is a Pro Bowl QB, well so is DA, and I don’t think he is going to be something special. I guess I just don’t like Cutler or Anderson.

by cboldt12 on Mar 16, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions

please listen

ok, I know that most of the dawg nation wants to bash DA, but he is a gun slinger and given the right talent will be a successful QB. Now as for Quinn, he is trade bait. If you read blogs and posts you will notice that romeo is not the coach anymore, the Quinn is our starting QB promiss is dead. Mangini has already said it would be an open competition and that he is not sold on Quinn, yet he has made no comments on DA. I believe that DA has the ability to spead the field which is what Mangini wants, and if you follow ND and Quinns brief playing time with the Browns, he does not. With Castle going to KC for a second round pick that devalues trades for unexperenced qb’s, I could see a 3 way trade cutler to jets/TB, Quinn to Denver, and a Second and 5th rounder to Cleveland. But I still think come August both DA and BQ will be in Cleveland, toghther there salaries are what Cutler would want.

by mayor bloom on Mar 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions

Once again, Denver would NEVER trade Cutler straight up for Quinn (which is what you have them doing). Cutler is much more valuable right now because he’s proven himself in the NFL. They’d need more than just Quinn to do that trade.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly. But if I’m you, I hope that the Browns can somehow get Cutler. He’s pretty good and much more of a known quantity than if you go the DA / Quinn / 2010 draft pick after all that fails route.

by Cols714 on Mar 16, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Why are you assuming that Quinn will fail? I think he can certainly be a good, if not great, quarterback in the NFL. He just needs a chance to play.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Well said Buckeye Brad! Give him a chance!! Joe Montana didn’t have a “rocket’ arm, and if memory serves, he was "pretty good”!

by cboldt12 on Mar 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions

There are way too many people that want to give him chance. People want him to be better than it appears he is. If he were this amazing quaterback then I would hope we would have seem a glimps of it by now. He looked average and a capable starter but nothing leads me to believe more. In two years he has rode the pine, gotten injured and didn’t even beat out the very QB that posters on this site love to bash. I am not writing him off but I think he gets plenty of credit and will continue to get chances. My personal opinion is given healthy personel Anderson has better potential, he already proved it.

by bellar on Mar 16, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

this makes no sense. why in the world wouldn’t you give a first-round QB more than 2 chances to prove himself (SF in ’07 and DEN ’08 are the only relevant samplings for quinn…he was hurt early in the BUF game)?

by DontCallMeJoey on Mar 16, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Of course we want to give him a chance….he hasn’t had one yet!!! Nobody said he was an “amazing” quarterback, but we want to see if he can be a good NFL starting QB. He’s started TWO games. That’s nowhere near enough playing time to judge him yet.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Why does Denver have the high ground in the situation? They are the ones going thru a PR nightmare at this time not CLE. If Mangini decides to go with Quinn and publicly and repeatedly rebuffs any trade rumor he BUILDS the trust that Cutler feels is gone. IF Mangini likes Anderson more then he keeps him at a cheap rate for a starter and has control of the situation with Quinn in a trade to Denver cuz they want him as he knows the system. Also if Cutler is traded he’s going to want a new contract & TB/DET have oodles of it.
Personally i’d trade Cutler to DET for the #20 pick and let him get bashed behind that OL. “ahhh dont go that deep Calvin Johnson the OL wont hold up long enough for you to finish the route. crunch”
However Denver still has Cutlers rights for the next 3 years so they dont legally have to do anything with him.

by sleepy042 on Mar 16, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions

Why does Denver have the high ground in the situation?

Denver still has Cutlers rights for the next 3 years so they dont legally have to do anything with him.

i enjoyed very much that conversation you had with yourself.

i have no idea what you’re saying about our QB situation. in the mangini likes anderson scenario, he has control of the situation so he gets to keep anderson and then trade quinn to DEN for cutler to make sure that anderson doesn’t like mangini back?

by DontCallMeJoey on Mar 16, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions

My gut feeling is that Mangini will hold onto both DA and Quinn at least until after he has a chance to work with each of them in mini-camp, Too bad all this is just happening now as Cutler and his loud mouth would’ve fit into the 2008 Browns perfectly

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions

Cutler Trade

I just came from a web-site that says that at 5pm est a 3 team trade will be announced that involveds Cleveland,Washington and Denver with Cleveland gets 2 players from Washington and a 5th rd pick Washington gets Cutler from Denver and Denver gets Brady Quinn and a 2rd rd pick from Cleveland

by Cobra3784 on Mar 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

I bet this doesn’t happen

by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

It's 5pm eastern????? well????

by cboldt12 on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Washington gets what?

by cboldt12 on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

what is the link?

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw the website. It is the “Humor forum” of another team’s website. I lost the link, but I would say not worth visiting

by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

The site mentioned us giving up our 3rd round pick as part of the trade…..except we don’t have a 3rd round pick

by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice work, Cobra . . .

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

trade issue

Yea when I went back to the Browns Home Page the Ref had already lock ed up the Topic as only a rumor but you got to admit it would be a heck of trade if only it was DA instead of Quinn. I was also looking all over for it at 5pm too just to make sure it was going to happen or not . I thought it was kind of funny that the Browns would give up on Quinn without giving him a decent chance. and one of the players Washington was giving us was Jason Campbell so it did’nt makr sense to trade one and then bring in another that has to learn the system and jell with the other Browns players

by Cobra3784 on Mar 17, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions

I would throw up if we lost Quinn and got Campbell in return

by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I’d rather get Colt Brennan.

by rufio on Mar 18, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions

+1 for Colt Brennan

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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 18, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Cutler Trade

Just to let everybody know that this rumor is all over the internet, even one of the players mentioned in the trade made a comment today in his blog . he said he would be pissed if he got sent to Cleveland. I believe his name was Cooley or something like that. I say heck with him we wouldn’t want somebody to play here that doesn’t want . He’ll be changing his tune when the Browns go the SB

by Cobra3784 on Mar 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions