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Housh Signs With Seattle

Sources told ESPN's Michael Smith the deal was worth more than $40 million for five years, with more than $15 million guaranteed.

"I just felt it was the best destination, it was the best team, it was the best choice for me," Houshmandzadeh told ESPN.

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So, Seattle plugged it's #1 receiver hole.  We've all been assuming that Crabtree would probably never make it past Seattle at #4, but with the their pressing need met the situation has changed. Now, we probably need a receiver even more than they do. The odds of us landing the next Calvin Johnson just went up drastically. Thoughts?

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I know this may be unpopular, but I am not very high on Crabtree.

by gahnki on Mar 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what’s not to like?

by Dawg Nuts on Mar 3, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will probably get a lot of argument on this, but WRs in Cleveland just don’t make sense. Our most important games of the year are going to be played in really cold weather where the passing game will take a hit because of winds, snow, etc

Loading up on WRs is not the way to build a winner in this town. A strong running game and defense are our best bet.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 3, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not a bad line of thought. Far more important to me, though, is acquiring a superstar. If that comes in the form of a WR, so be it. If it comes in the form of Aaron Curry, I’d prefer that. We need an elite talent at this spot, and I (using my super armchair scout goggles) see only two: Curry and Crabtree.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 3, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always heard people say that, how you can’t have a good passing game in the snow and cold, but I’ve also heard ex-players say the opposite. They say it’s easier to pass in the snow because DB’s lose their footing easily. It doesn’t hurt recievers as much because they know which way they’re moving, but defenders must react to what the offensive player does so the bad footing hurts them more. Didn’t the Browns have a game two years ago in the snow where they racked up a ton of passing yards?

Also, I don’t think drafting Crabtree would be “loading up on wide recievers.” Right now I would say the Browns only have one good WR (with Stallworth unreliable and Joe J’s status unkown), so adding Crabtree would only make two. I don’t think two good recievers is too many (in fact, I’d say that’s not enough). With the trade of Winslow, the Browns certainly need recieving help, especially since we’ll be breaking in a young QB.

I really, really like the idea of drating Crabtree. He’s exactly the kind of player this team needs. He’s a guy who makes plays, and the Browns don’t have many of those.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t the Browns have a game two years ago in the snow where they racked up a ton of passing yards?

I know that Holcomb threw for 400+ in the playoffs in the snow.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 3, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah in the first 3.5 quarters.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 3, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys who made plays in college: Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Calvin Johnson

by Roger Dorn on Mar 3, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s your point? Calvin Johnson is awesome, Roy Williams is pretty good, Charles Rogers had a career-ending injury, and Mike Williams was a bust. I don’t see the connection.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Lions sucked throughout

by Roger Dorn on Mar 3, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right. Nobody is saying the Browns should draft a WR in the first round FOUR YEARS IN A ROW. I don’t see what that has to do with drafting Crabtree. Last time I checked, teams usually plays at least two WR at once on offense, so wanting two good WR on the Browns isn’t asking too much, I think.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

New England plays outdoors in New England. Their WRs are ok. I know they didn’t give up a whole lot to get them, but if you take Brady and those WRs away, the Patriots aren’t half as scary.

Loading up on WRs versus other positions may not be the way to win in the NFL, but it isn’t because of weather.

by rufio on Mar 3, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The system he played in while in college scares the heck out of me. He has future bust written all over him, because of it. And I’m not saying he’s a for sure bust (if there’s such a thing), but he is someone you take when you already have a team built. You roll the dice. You don’t roll the dice when your team is awful.

by gahnki on Mar 3, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WRs are almost always a roll of the dice, especially when they are picked that high. The system might help him get open and inflate his numbers, but it doesn’t help him make catches away from his body, display great body control, and run pretty solid routes for a college kid. While I wouldn’t be thoroughly surprised if Crabtree is never a star, I would be surprised if he ended up being terrible (either way, we need a lot of help out of this pick—much more than just an average player). I am a lot more frightened of QBs out of Texas Techesque schemes than WRs from them.

Regardless of the system, spending 1st rounders on WRs is frightening. If I am rolling the dice, I think Crabtree becomes a legit #1 WR in the league. Luckily, I am not rolling the dice.

by rufio on Mar 3, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts were more that the teams interested in trading up to the Browns spot at #5 just increased (albeit slightly). Down a Housh and considering the never-ending uncertainty surrounding #85, I’d imagine Palmer would like someone to throw to and that makes the Bengals at #6 a floor for Crabtree’s potential freefall. If not there, would Al Davis pass on him at #7? It’s apparent that he loves raw, physical talent, and I’d guess Crabtree falls into that mold as well.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Mar 3, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I never like discussing trading top ten picks. It’s so uncommon that it’s just not worth the thought. I think most reasonable fans would love to see us pick up a late first and second for our #5 pick, but who cares? It’s too unlikely to spend the effort discussing. The same goes for the possibilities surrounding other top picks getting traded.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 3, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’m not advocating they trade, or even seek out to trade, the #5. Just knowing the teams that are sandwiched around us, and how both of their offensive personnel changed drastically with that one signing, i couldn’t help but think of that.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Mar 3, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it’s very tempting, but I’ve tried to distance myself from that train of thought since it inevitably leads to second guessing, over-analysis, and disappointment in lack of action.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 3, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Al Davis is crazy, loves WRs, and it probably wouldn’t require a whole lot to move up those 2 spots (and we could still probably get a player of similar talent at #7). I think that is the most likely spot for trading. If I was ManKok, I would be letting Davis know he could trade up relatively easily.

I think we could take less than what the value chart says if we could get a 4th rounder in addition to the #7. As a fan, I think I would be happy with that.

by rufio on Mar 3, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love this as well as long as we weren’t passing up an elite level player. I like Crabtree and Curry as elite level players, but that’s just fan opinion. That’s why I like talking about them at #5.

If, however, the Browns thought they could get an equivalent (or the same) player at #7 as opposed to pick #5 I wouldn’t care if they traded down for a 7th rounder in the 2020 draft – the smaller contract is value in and of itself.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 4, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True, I was assuming Curry would be gone. If he is there we should take him. Crabtree we should think about.

I think there is a dropoff in talent outside of the OT from Baylor, Curry, Raji, Stafford, Crabtree and maybe Sanchez. I don’t think we should use the pick on another LT or another QB so If Curry, Crabtree and Raji are gone a small trade down (netting us another pick) would be worth it in my mind. There are plenty of talented guys at positions we need who will probably be there later in the 1st round, but outside of those top 5 or 6 players I don’t think they have done a whole lot to emerge from the pack.

Can draft day just get here already?

by rufio on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All of this.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Mar 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Without the ability to validate film study of Crabtree by seeing him in a controlled environment, compounded with the fact that he is a WR, compounded with the fact that he is currently injured, compounded with the fact that he measured in at well under his listed 6’3" at the combine has me a little frightened about Crabtree at the moment. I bet some scouts feel the same way.

I don’t know how much that will all matter, but I felt the chances of him being there at #5 were affected more by the combine and his stress fracture than by T.J.’s signing.

by rufio on Mar 3, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the foot injury does worry me, as well as his combine measurement. I’m a little more leery of picking him that I was last month. I still think he’s a future star, but as you said with WR it’s often hard to tell (but you could say that about most positions in the NFL). Of course, the last college WR that was rated so high coming in to the draft was Larry Fitzgerald, and that pick certainly worked out well for Arizona.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Calvin Johnson was rated high and is working out pretty well, too. I would be a lot more cautious of Crabtree if he were a burner who never showed that he was a good football player and we would have to teach him how to be a real receiver. I would rather wait until at least the second round for guys like that.

by rufio on Mar 4, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Crabtree may not be as fast as some of the guys out there, but he’s proven that he knows how to run good routes and catch the ball. That’s why I think so highly of him. He may not blow by defenders, but he’s proven that he can get open. And he’s made plenty of great catches when he’s not open. He was the best reciever in college football as a freshman — what else do you need to know?

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’m wary of top-10 receivers, even clearly elite talents like crabtree. i’d love to see a few more of the measurables prior to taking him, but that’s unlikely to happen, it seems. that said, it is painfully obvious that we need some more weapons on offense, and crab is the most explosive in the draft.

as a practical matter, i’m having a hard time seeing how ManKok would bring this guy in. i’ve heard that there may be some maturity issues w/ crab (total hearsay, take it w/ a grain of salt), and high-profile receivers are often flashy, ego-type guys. that does not seem to fit with the ManKok lunchpail mentality.

by DontCallMeJoey on Mar 4, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Really? I haven’t heard anything like that about Crabtree. I know the stereotype is that recievers are me-first type players like TO and Chad Johnson, but not all elite WR are like that (Harrison, Fitzgerald). So let’s not judge him just by the position he plays.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 4, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is hanging out with Deion…but then again, he is also hanging out with Jerry Rice. I am sure the Browns are doing their homework.

by rufio on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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