Peter King Ranks Browns Dead Last
by Chris Pokorny on May 13, 2009 7:50 PM EDT
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PrintThe difference a year makes.
Last year around this time, the Browns were being hyped by the media as a team to watch -- one that had a tough schedule but could make a lot of noise. Now, it's the opposite -- we're the cellar dwellers of the NFL again, just like that (at least, according to Sports Illustrated's Peter King):
32. Cleveland
Hey, thank me, all you Brownaholics. Two years ago in a column like this one, I wrote that Cleveland was the worst team in the league. The Browns went 10-6. This year I'm saying they're the worst team again -- and I can guarantee you they're not going 10-6, unless Brady Quinn morphs into Tom Brady. Too many holes, too tough a division; write them down for 0-4 against the Steelers and Ravens.
That's quite a statement to make; admitting you were dead wrong two years ago, then indirectly admitting you were wrong last season [by saying we'd be better], and then guaranteeing that we're not going to go 10-6 after knowing that this is a feat Eric Mangini has accomplished almost twice in a division that had Tom Brady in it when he was forced into a rebuilding effort! (Breathes after the run-on).
I think we know better than any team's fans that unless you're a powerhouse (Patriots, Colts, Giants), it's almost impossible to project how the season will go at this point. Nonetheless, I suppose it is to our benefit, pressure-wise, to be considered the underdogs.
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peter king is stupid. its probably a good thing he projected us to be the worst
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
I actually feel better about the Browns now than I have in a long time. I am a fan of the ManKok draft strategy and the administration as a whole so far. I think we’re a competitive 8-8 next year.
If you are fan of the administration, why in the world would you refer to them as ManKok? That sounds terrible!
I’ve been contemplating a poll for curiosity’s sake for a while now. I HATE that term. It’s unimaginative, and while i enjoy poop jokes and South Park as much as the next 29 year-old male, I cringe every time I read it, especially by those who aren’t even critical of them.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
i’m still trying to make Kotnkus (sp) catch on for the GM, so i do my best to call them each by their name.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 14, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually didn’t know that that was only a hateful meme. I think ManKok is hilarious and easy to type – but I’ll have to phase out if its strictly slander.
Great...
….to be picked for dead last. Will provide motivation and; with the relatively easy schedule, compared to 2008, should help us have a decent year.
Eric Mangini
eric mangini is a joke I have been a browns fan all my life and the new ownership gets him could not win with the jets but one year and that was not his team peter king is right we will be lucky it we xcan beat the lions let alone the steelers or ravens.
then all the players we keep picking up are the jets flunkeys if we did not pick them up they would not even be in the nfl.
I love the browns but when they pass on all the decent players in the draft and on free agancy it does not help we can,t even pick our qb and have a broken down rb.
when is the owners and coaches going to learn that new england is ran by the hoodie and no one else look who came from there josh mcdanels gets ride of star qb, wise noter dame , carnnel nowere now , eric mangini lets give him a try can you pick the winner of the group good luck.
Its notre, not noter. and ‘carnell’. seriously.
“…could not win with the jets”
last time i checked the jets were 9-7in the AFC East and wouldve done better if it werent for Favre falling apart.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
wishfull thinking
keep dreaming like I said I love the browns but till they have a coach there for the team good luck the only thing mangini is good for is the #1 overall draft pick
Hmmm! Hard to figure out which Browns team will show up.
Will it be like the feeble-looking excuse for a football team we saw most of last year? Or, more like the dynmo that smashed the mighty Gaints on Monday night? Somewhere in between?
Whatever. Getting a “competitive” team that I can root for would be a Godsend at this point!
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
I just read over his entire list. Judging by how badly off he ranked the first half of the list, I’d say that the last half doesn’t have much credit either.
Seems to me like the dumb guy simply has some kind of hatred toward the Browns. As strange as it may sound, this usually results from jealousy. Now I don’t have the slightest clue what he has to be jealous of though.
OK, you may not agree with his ranking the Browns last (and neither do I) but that does not mean he “hates” the Browns. I cannot stand it when fans hear an announcer or writer say something bad about their team and they immediately complain that the person must have some hatred or bias towards their team. That’s ridiculous. He has to rank some team last, right? That doesn’t mean he hates that team. Peter King has been writing about the NFL for a long time and I’m sure you can go back and find many good things he’s written about the Browns when they deserved them (which hasn’t been much recently). Please stop this attitude — he’s not jealous, he doesn’t hate the Browns, he just doesn’t think they are that good right now. We’ll see if he’s right.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
@ Buckeye Brad
I formed an opinion based on the way he wrote, and I’m sticking to it until proven otherwise.
But that isn’t even the focus of my comment. Look at the entire list as a whole. Some of the rankings are flat out ridiculous. How much credit can we give this guy for his last place ranking when 20 of his other ones seem just either guessing or personal liking, or lack there of.
Although it’s his right to have an opinion on teams and rank them accordingly (It is HIS column), it’s also my right to feel that those opinions have no merit.
Honestly, I have tracked Peter King’s picks before and rankings. He generally is very poor at it. I wouldn’t even really let yourself get upset over this
Dorn
Have you heard about herzlich? its too bad
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess that most sportswriters are poor at picking NFL games. It’s very hard to do because there is so much parity in the league that any team can beat almost any other on a given day. I don’t think it’s any indictment against Peter King.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you hear about Kevin Smith? he said that he doesnt know how many games they’re winning, but the lions are defineatly making the playoffs. lol
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still EXTREMELY confident we will NOT finish last in the entire league.
If anyone here disagrees with me, I would gladly wager them large quantities of money. The Browns vs. the entire board to finish last? I’d put my money on the board.
Any takers? Didn’t think so.
Of course, but that’s an easy thing to say. There are 32 teams in the NFL and only one can finish last, so every team is more than likely not going to finish in last place. I’d put my money on the board v. the Lions, or the board v. the Rams, or the board v. any other team to finish in last place.
I’m very confident we won’t finish in last place, also. But, again, he had to put someone in last place. He’ll probably be wrong about that team no matter which team he picked, those are just the odds. That’s why I said I wouldn’t worry too much about any of these rankings no matter who is writing them.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s friggin’ May! Who the heck knows how good any of these teams will be in the fall. If you think he’s so wrong, then you should rank all 32 teams and see how your rankings compare to his at the end of the season. Then we’ll see how right you are and how wrong he is. Seriously, though, ranking teams at this point of the season is very difficult — as mentioned many time, look at how teams like Atlanta, Miami, and Baltimore outperformed expecations last year. So it’s a fool’s game, and getting worked up because you disagree with someone’s ranking is silly.
And you are correct, you have the right to whatever opinion you want. You can think the sun rotates around the earth or that fire is cold. But if you’re going to think that some reporter “hates” the Browns because he ranks them lower than you think they should be ranked, then you’re getting way too worked up about it. I’m so sick of fans saying someone is “biased” or they “hate their team” just because they say something bad about them. That’s such an overreaction, and it makes you look like an idiot.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
@ Buckeye Brad
OK, perhaps he does not have any malice toward the Browns whatsoever. I’m willing to accept that, given the evidence presented before me by Fundamentals.
But, I wasn’t worked up nor upset by his ranking at all. I was simply stating my observation for discussion. I’d think at least the column is worth that much, considering we have an entire blog post about it with 30+ comments. But, I refuse to get into a juvenile back and forth name calling with you.
As fellow Browns and Buckeye fans you’d think we would be on the same side here, I guess not.
Excuse me, but I never called you any names. I don’t do that kind of stuff. I have no problem discussing these rankings, I was just making a general point that too many fans get all worked up when a writer or announcer says something negative about their team, and your statement was an example of that.
We are on the same side — I disagree with him ranking us 32nd also, but I disagree that the reason for his ranking is because he hates the Browns. That’s all I was saying.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
But you said you could not stand his opinion. Pretty strong statement. Just saying…
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Well his opinion was based on faulty logic. But I didn’t call him names or attack him personally, I just disagreed with something he said. Big difference.
by Buckeye Brad on May 15, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree with Buckeye Brad here. Actually, each year Peter King makes mention in his MMQB that he loves visiting Browns camp, compliments the staff, players and the food. Last year he overranked them, heavily. Did he hate the Browns then?
Honestly, I don’t think we’re #32, but I think low 20s to even #30 is moderately fair. I’d have the Raiders and Rams behind the Browns.
by Fundamentals on May 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, he always compliments the Browns immensely when he visits their camp, too the point where most readers probably think he’s from Cleveland. Saying he hates the team based on viewing one ranking is ridiculous.
by Buckeye Brad on May 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
its not surprising
they will take an largely untested QB to the field in september (i’m accepting the fact quinn will be the starter), could have a pair of rookies as their starting WR’s, the TE spot is nothing special (royal would have been kept by the bills if he was anything better than average).
I do give Mangini credit for bringing in a lot of defensive players who can give 2-3 years while he brings in future rookes for the transition. However other than maybe Elam none are game breakers & CLE still doesnt have a player who can rush the passer on a consistent basis. the secondary is still thin an teams are going away from Cribbs. i dunno about dead last but 4 to 6 wins is likely in 2009 to me.
barton had over 100 tackles last year.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is this team worse than in 2007? We played a brutal schedule last year, with a dolt for a coach and bad DA emerged for good… and we still went 4-8 (for the last time, the final 4 games count for nothing). We lost by 4 in a hard fought game to the eventual Super Bowl Champs, we ended a ridiculous winning streak by the defending champs on Monday night, and we twice should almost beat the loser of the AFC Championship game.
To answer my original question, TE and maybe RB. Maybe secondary. But better on the OL, DL, and LB.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
i think we’re worse at WR, and potentially worse at DB (although, we could just as easily end up being better at DB if the young guys continue to progress and we manage to fill the void jones left; remember, jones was borderline pro bowl level in 07).
i’m not sure i can get to top 20 with you on talent, but i’m optimistic that mangini and kotnkus (sp) can maximize the talent we do have.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How are we worse at WR?
I’m still going with Pool and Jones were both so injured last year they added up to 1 player. I still think we should have re-signed Jones, but our safety play should be better than last year.
Jones should have been given a chance to rebound.
Also, the lack of free agency interest in Jones was a little telling for me. He signed like a 1 million 1 year contract, and reports out of Philly are that he won’t start
I wonder how much teams were basing that off of his play last year. He did not look healthy and couldn’t run like I remembered. Maybe he just isn’t as good as I thought.
I am totally up for drafting a safety high next year, with the apparent talent of next year’s class and such.
I agree about Jones. I thought he was a beast in 2007 (and 2006), and that his dropoff was due to injuries (and high expectations, like the rest of the team). I was shocked at how little he signed for. All this points to me agreeing w/ Dorn, that something must be there that I don’t see/know about.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
My original question was, “How are we worse than 2007?”, ie, our 10-6 season. My point being is that on paper I don’t see how this team is less talented than that one. And in some ways it’s more talented. Add in the schedule, and it all comes down to coaching and division play.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
as kwoog points out below, i was answering the question about this team relative to ’07…not last year. it would be impossible for a team to be worse at WR than the browns of ’08.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are better at WR(cuz this year we wont have donte and we wont have to play syndric and i also think Braylon will play better) and at CB(i think McDonald and Wright will continue to progress and Poteat and Ivy are both better than Cousin)
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we can say whether the defense is better or worse at this point. We can talk about individual players – those currently on the roster vs. those who are gone – but the players are only part of the equation.
We’re looking at new coaches this year and I’d have to say a more aggressive defense. Okay. I don’t really know what kind of defense we’re going to have this year, but I can’t imagine a less aggressive defense than what we’ve had recently – Rogers’ play excepted. Anything less aggressive and I think they’d have to stop the game to check pulses.
Seriously, though, I think that better scheming with average players can produce better results than poor scheming with outstanding players. And in the right scheme, some of our ‘average’ players just might start earning above average marks. I don’t know what that scheme would be. I’m hoping Mangini does.
I am on board with this. I don’t know if we will all of a sudden look like world-beaters, but last year felt like it was somewhere close to as bad as we could play.
Or as bad as we could coach. I’ve said it before, but coordinators are so key in this game. And our coordinators were awful during Romeo’s entire administration, perhaps excepting Chud in 07. But even he was awful intellect-wise, like throwing the ball twice before the half in the second Cincy game in 30 mph winds… that cost us the playoffs.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
To respond to myself, I read somewhere (perhaps the plain dealer?) that Mangini broke down the film of all 16 of our games in the two day between his first interview w/ Lerner and his second? And that he was even at that point able to identify the needs on this team. Call me crazy, but I don’t picture 62 year old Crennel ever doing anything like that.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
i think romeo would have said something along the lines of “what’s a DVD?”
by DontCallMeJoey on May 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you aren’t suggesting that MoMass or Robo would beat out Braylon. No Braylon trade has happened yet, he has not publicly stated he wants to move on, and the team has said that they intend to play him.
A potential Braylon trade should not be incorporated in anyone’s rankings at this point. It might happen, but it shouldn’t be reflected in anyone’s rankings until it does or seems immanent.
The offense is much worse at TE, I agree. Kellen is still a great pass catching TE, and my impression of Royal is that he is less of a pass catcher than Heiden, who isn’t healthy. Rucker is the wild card there, but I am not holding my breath for him to get 50 catches.
I disagree about the offense being a reason to doubt the Browns. Braylon has pretty much nowhere to go but up. The rest of the WR corps should improve dramatically. At worst we should have a #2 who has two healthy legs and a #3 who is an actual NFL WR.
Our OL should also be much better. I think Joe Thomas had a down year last year and will do better this year. Mack is a clear physical improvement over Fraley. If Tucker comes back, the right side will at least have more bodies to choose from, if he doesn’t it’s a question mark.
We have every reason to believe the defense will improve too. We only had a healthy Pool/Jones tandem for what…1 game? Elam looks to be better than Adams. No one playing CB in this league is worse than Cousin was, so one of Carey, Francies, Ivy, or Poteat has to be better. Young Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald should improve. Anyone > Andra Davis. I certainly think a Hall/Veikune/Bowens trio can be as good as McGinest was last year. A healthy Corey Williams who has a fire lit under his ass should be better. The other two line spots are the concern; how will the former-Jets do at RDE? Can Rogers be that dominant for 2 years in a row? Mel Tucker was terrible. Much more hope for Rob Ryan.
Much of the season rides on a QB emerging and playing like he is a top-10 pro, though, I agree with that.
Maybe it’s the general hope of the off season, or “believing” in Quinn, or whatever, but I just don’t think 08 was very representative of this team’s talent. To his credit, from the beginning of last year Rexxx was claiming it was all there in our season for a recipe of disaster (schedule, hype, QBs, etc). I think that’s what happened, I think it sometimes happens to even established franchises, and I think it’s an outlier. We don’t have Carmen Policy or Butch Davis picking our players and haven’t for a while. We’ve had established, proven people doing it for now five years now. We’re set at LT, LG, C, QB (I’m counting Quinn), WR1, WR2 (if at least one pans out), DT, ILB1, C1 and S1. Yes we need more playmakers, but my god, think of some of the other teams out there.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
I think we are set for ILB for a long time. DQwell is great, Barton is good, Leon is good depth, and there is a possibility that Bell, Ruud, Maiva, or Veikune turns into a beast.
We are also set at FB and RB(2)
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Barton is 30. He gives those other players a chance to develop, but I am not sold on any one of them. I still like Veikune, but see him playing at LOLB. It could happen, but I am not ready to say we are “set”.
i agree that ‘08 didn’t reflect the team’s talent (even if my evaluation of that talent is more pessimistic). as well, ‘07 didn’t accurately reflect the talent on that team. funny thing…i believe that ’07 and ’08, back to back years, were outliers for the browns.
the old regime left a few important pieces, and the new guys seem to have added some solid talent, as well as much greater depth. the steps are headed in the right direction, i won’t argue that.
by DontCallMeJoey on May 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting thought, and I agree that both ‘07 and ’08 might prove to be outliers. Given that, the win total for ’09 should be something between 4 and 10. I’ve been thinking an optimistic 7-9, and the more I read, the more that looks doable to me. To be honest, though, I went through the game-by-game schedule, and I only saw 5 games that I thought were likely wins at this point. The rest will depend on team development, injuries, and the unpredictability that marks the NFL.
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i don’t understand…do you make orange and brown zebra parachute pants?
by DontCallMeJoey on May 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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The Plain Dealer posted this link on their website yesterday.
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It served to let all us Brownie fans know how bad the reporting is on the PD website. I read three of the articles. There are maybe 50 or so of them.
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overenthusiastic
After watching my team the Browns last year,Peter King may be close to right but not definitely so.Its a fans job to be enthusiastic but if the Browns win 5 or 6 games,something not out of the realm of possibility,it will be a reasonable season.The schedule is much,much easier then last year but we are in the toughest division in all of football.Pittsburg and the ravens are almost unbeatable,The benglels get back their quarterback but we may be able to split with them.My reasons for not being overly gushy like the average fan.1.We don’t have an established quarterback.I know Notre Dame fames are Quinn happy but I watched him throw a lot of key interceptions when pressurred. at Notre Dame.In his few starts with Cleveland he was also prone to do this.Derek Anderson looked great 2 seasons ago and last year he couldn"t hit the broad side of a barn with an atomic bomb.To win in pro football you need a decent quarterback. 2.I posted this somewhere before..Without a pass rush your defense is dead in the water.Let me a 62 year old have all day to complete a pass and i will hit 80% of them every time.It doesn’t matter how good your linebackers or defensive backs are,give a receiver all day and he will get open.How many time did we see this all lthe last couple of seasons.3.If the quarterback situation suprises,which is a big if,the receivers are untried.Braylon edwards is our top threat ,if he develops a pair of hands like he had in college.The rest are all possession receivers which will allow defenses to crowd the line of scrimmage.4.Lewis has lost a step,with a hopefully revitalized line he may have a year or 2 left but not many more.Harrison has looked good but is unproven.Joe Thomas had an off year,hopefully it wasn’t becasuse his attitude was destroyed by our joke of a team last year.Mack has potential but so have many great college players who never developed in the pros.The guard we picked up from Cincinnati also was sub-par last year.If these three play up to their potential it could make my predictions wrong and we could win more games because of our offense like we did in our 10-6 season.4. many people are overrating Magani and the players he traded for and brought with him.The jets were a so so team until Farve inspired them to play over their heads.Getting castoffs from a so so team doesn’t make you strong or a contender though it may be a slight upgrade from what we had.If all these things gell,the qb develops,our offensive line starts blocking again,we miraculously find a pass rusher and the middle guard Rodgers we picked up from detroit keeps up his new found work ethic,not a cinch seeing as how he has a new long term contract,we may get to 8-8.I think 5 0r 6 wins is much more realistic
Try hitting the space bar and the enter key a few times, that might make your rant more readable.
by Buckeye Brad on May 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you took a breath somewhere in there. Just as a friendly hint, people are unlikely to read something which appears as a solid text block like this.
BTW, I would like to know where you got the information that Favre (that spelling doesn’t look right, but I’m not going to bother to look it up) “inspired the Jets to play over their heads”. They were a playoff team before he got there. How over their heads did they play?
Quinn didnt throw any INTs when he was healthy for the browns
You said Thomas had an off year. Last time i checked he made the pro bowl.
I also disagreed with most things you said there
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 17, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
ment as a reply to liberal1’s post
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
reply to bradyquinnbeast
Read bleacher report,at least i now know their are 2 of us with some knowledge of football.Joe thomas may have been voted to the all star team 2 years in a row but the 2nd year was on reputation.I don’t know how many times a pplay was called over his hole when on a third and 1 or 2 and he failed to move anyone.He had a down year.Roger Price who actually watched the games like me saw his lack of blocking in key situations.
In pre season games and his 2 starts your heroe Brady quinn was benched for interceptions,he is overrated
he was benched for an injury idiot. YOu should at least know something before you attack a player. By the way, there is something called the reply button
by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 19, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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