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alright, i have a quick question about one of the rotoworld posts...is said "The Browns' new ball control offense should suit Quinn's strengths"  I dont really understand why he would be better suited in the new offense than anderson, or even ratliff.  i like quinn better than either of them, but i'm a little confused on the technicalities of the new offense. 

thanks for all the help, now that summer camps have started we'll finally have some news about whats going on.

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I’d like to hear what our resident authority rufio has to say, but my extremely amateur opinion is that quinn is better in play action and more accurate on the shorter throws. DA was pitiful at the 10 – 15 yard passes, and those will be more abundant if we’re playing ball control.

by Dawg Nuts on May 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson’s strengths [when he was “on”] were throwing the ball deep down the field, or on a rope through two defenders around the 25-30 yard range.

Our new offense looks to have much more emphasis on running the ball, as seen by the type of offensive line Mangini is putting together. Quinn can still go deep to Edwards, but that probably won’t be the priority now. The offense should be more focused on screen passes, quick hitters, etc. in terms of the passing games. Anderson’s control in that range was often deplorable, although to be fair, last season he didn’t have a lot to work with.

Dawg Nuts hit another point, in mentioning Quinn’s ability to be more accurate on short playaction throws.

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by Chris Pokorny on May 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Accuracy and not making stupid throws.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 25, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

succinct and accurate

by Roger Dorn on May 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t disagree with anything that has been said. I don’t know if I can add much either. Here goes.

Quinn is (usually) the more accurate of the two QBs. DA’s strength is throwing the ball deep and hard, not reading defenses and knowing what route is likely to be open, and certainly not his accuracy on short throws.

Think about the NE offense built around Tom Brady: they still go deep to Moss, but they like to spread the field and throw quick, short passes to Welker too. Tom Brady is a smart QB who can read a defense, and is accurate. He doesn’t have a freak-of-nature arm

We will probably try to take easy throws underneath for 5 yard gains over trying to force the ball deep where its more of a high-risk, high-reward situation. Once the defense gets sick of giving us the short stuff, we go over their heads. Quinn’s mobility helps there because he can roll out off of play-action better than DA and is a threat to run for a 1st down as well.

Honestly, I don’t think anyone but Brian Daboll and Eric Mangini know exactly what the offense will try to do, but my guess is that we will aim to exploit the other teams’ weaknesses, whatever they happen to be (which is purely based off of what I think Belichick tries to do). This would mean having the versatility to do anything, which sounds a lot more like Brady than DA to me.

by rufio on May 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Qwerk?

This isn’t really a question on Quinn’s abilities, just a qwerk.

Why did Quinn switch from a Riddell Revo to a more standard issue?

by SpecialBrownie on May 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Why did Quinn switch his helmet style?

Nothing too important, just interested.

by SpecialBrownie on May 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure. He used to wear revolution back at ND.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on May 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

qwerk.

This sounds very much like an alien word. What planet is it from?

I always thought that the letter Q was always followed by a “U” in standard English (although not always in techno-English, where they freely make up new words). Did you mean “quirk”, or is this a term I just haven’t seen before? Not trying to be a smartass here, just wanted to know.

by drjeo on Jun 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I probably just spelled it completely wrong. But what about such words as…

Qiviut – the wool of the undercoat of the musk – ox.

…Sadly, that’s all I could find to counter.

by SpecialBrownie on Jun 3, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

of course. I use that term pretty much every day. How could I have forgotten? My musk-ox will never forgive me.

by drjeo on Jun 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And which of these fit the description of “Standard English” that I referenced in my original remark? If you check, I think you’ll find that all of them originate in an entirely different language tradition, and absolutely none of them are actually standard English terms. I’m aware that the q can be followed by a different vowel in some languages, especially in Arabic language groups. My point still stands.

by drjeo on Jun 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If someone used those words in Scrabble against me, I’d say, “come on man, seriously?” lol…

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by Chris Pokorny on Jun 10, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

anderson was a one year wonder we shoud have traded him after his pro bowl yearso we could of got someone decent for him

by Jason E on Jun 7, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I kind of agree. We might have gotten a 1st rounder for him.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 8, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the 20-20 hindsight clinic. Now if you can tell me who should be sold high in the future, we might have something.

by drjeo on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. In other news, the Browns should have drafted Donaven McNabb over Tim Couch and I never should have put my entire savings in GM stock.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness, there are people out there who questioned at the time both drafting Couch and re-signing Anderson.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 8, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, there are no people who question the use of punctuation in only your second post on the site.

by gahnki on Jun 8, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that, on the surface at least, Quinn will likely get the starting job.

I understand that Mangini wants to see more of both QBs in person before he makes a choice. That makes sense. There’s just too much riding on the choice to simply say, “Everyone else says this guy is better for the type of game I want to run.” So it’s wise so make sure Quinn can actually do what he wants rather than just giving him the keys to the car.

However, I don’t see how Anderson can win this competition unless Quinn proves to be an even bigger interception machine. After 2007 it was obvious that Anderson struggled on the short passes, but I had high hopes that he would work on it over the offseason. I really wanted to see the Browns play the same QB for (nearly) two full seasons, and I enjoyed seeing him connect on those long balls to Edwards. But he never improved on his short passes.

I just can’t imagine going into the preseason still working on who will start if Anderson can’t get those short passes down. If he can’t master that part of the game by the time they get to two-a-days, then it’s time to stop splitting reps. If Anderson’s check down to the RB continues to look more like a muscle spasm than a pass, then Quinn should win the job by process of elimination if not through a show of superior skill.

But what if Anderson does gain sufficient mastery in the short game? I can live with whoever wins the competition starting as long as he is truly the better QB (a point that will be hotly contested at every loss), though I suspect I’m in the minority here. I mean, there were fans cheering when Anderson got injured. It’s easy to say that the fans will rally behind whoever leads them to wins, but how many wins will it take to achieve that effect? Given that it is a business, I seriously think that may play into the final decision.

by JustBob on Jun 8, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Some fans are going to want Quinn regardless of who is playing better. Some will also cheer when players they dislike get injured. I don’t agree with those things, but they are going to happen.

I can live with either QB if they have clearly shown they can be a franchise QB. In my mind, Anderson has shown that he can’t be a franchise QB. Quinn is the unknown, so I’d rather have him over a guy who I know for sure is not going to be a top-5 or top-10 in the league kind of guy.

I think if DA truly shows he is the better man, he will start. If the picture is unclear at all, Quinn will get the nod.

I would really love to know which one is “the guy” ASAP, though. I am sure we are all sick of not having a QB.

by rufio on Jun 8, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Quinn being a great leader is another advantage he has over Anderson.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 9, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is all hype thus far. I just don’t see it. He’s scrappy. So was Stoney Case.

by raven on Jun 15, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Quinn is nothing like Stony Case.

by Roger Dorn on Jun 15, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

When he was healthy in two games he had 2 TDs and 424 yards

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 15, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the team scored 30 and 29 points.

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by kwoog on Jun 15, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

and we were 1-1! Any Browns fan would take .500 at this point

by Roger Dorn on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it included beating Pittsburgh, I’d probably take it. But without that guarantee, I wouldn’t. I don’t see 8 losses on that schedule.

But I’m a homer, for sure.

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by kwoog on Jun 15, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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