also, not using the block quotes correctly is a little amusing.

Shaun was awesome last year.

I really appreciate your service to this country, thank you for supporting the Browns as well

Just saying, how would we have known? but thanks though

I don’t think a pro football player would have trouble finding another girlfriend in Cleveland.

Haha close, but it turns out he made it up. I didn’t really follow the whole story

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hmmm…. didn’t a Browns RB once claim to have slipped on the stairs while carrying a knife and accidentally stabbed himself in the back? Pretty similar stories. Maybe Marshall would fit right in here.

You make a good point. It depends on what kind of draft pick we get. It would be nice if we could throw in MoMass instead of a draft pick.

If all of the incidents involved his ex, then maybe. At least he would have shown signs of separating himself from the situation.

Also, 3rd round pick or lower.

The only time I thought that Quinn could be moved was during the Jay Cutler time.

Either way, the Jets bought it!

Honestly I had a hard time coming up with anyone after Peyton and Brady and that is just because they are older.

Robiskie is “slow as heck”?? Umm, you do know he ran track at OSU, right? He’s not the fastest WR in the NFL but he’s certainly fast enough to play.

I think you underestimate Kenyon Coleman who was also part of the draft day trade. He led all defensive lineman in tacklesin 2007. You don’t luck into something like that

Mack wont be a guard. Tucker and Womack are better at RG than Fraley is at center.

I think someone was hell bent on stacking the deck against the new coach Mangini. I hate self impediment.

who, exactly, would be stacking the deck against mangini? mangini? as an update, since you clearly weren’t paying attention, mangini and kotnkus (sp) run the whole show, including making all the draft picks.

Dude, Robiskie runs a 4.49 and is 6’3". That isn’t blazing fast, but it’s definitely fast enough to play WR in the NFL—especially at that size with those hands. Braylon ran his 40 in 4.46-4.48.

Massaquoi ran a 4.57 at the combine, the same location where Robiskie ran his 4.49.

Both displayed athleticism, too. Robo’s vert was 37.5 inches, and Massaquoi’s broad jump was 10’2"—both very good numbers. I think it is probably fair to say that Massaquoi is more athletic, but I really think that it isn’t by a longshot. Both are fast enough to do well in the NFL, and both do different things well (athletically speaking).

You may end up being correct about Unger or Wood, but at this point in time I view Mack as clear and away the best center in this draft, and maybe the best that has come out for quite some time. He has the lower body power to deal with those big AFC North NTs, unlike the other two—its clear as day if you watch their film. He’s also pretty darn smart—something valuable against the complex defenses of pIT and BAL.

Fraley was traded to us for a 7th round pick a few years ago. Doesn’t that say something about his value to the Eagles?

I guess what I think was decisive about the move of not taking Raji at #5 and trading down to get Mack was that Mangini and Kokinis basically said this: “We want blue-collar, hard working guys. We want intelligent guys. You had better play your tail off and prepare your tail off if you want to be a Cleveland Brown. We won’t tolerate laziness, even if you are a rare talent”. I think that’s pretty damn decisive. Raji does have rare quickness for a 330lb man, and rare potential,I’ll admit that.

In terms of the players we got, Coleman is a solid DE, and Ratliff is better than Dorsey, which isn’t saying much. Still, we did save cap room and probably picked up 2 starters and some picks.

Maiava was a 4th round pick. He shouldn’t be judged against how the other USC LBs do in the NFL, he should be judged as a 4th round pick. Kokinis and Mangini weren’t picking between USC LBs, they were picking amongst all of the players out there. If you want to compare the USC ‘backers to our picks, you have to compare them to Robiskie, Mack, and Massaquoi. Matthews may well end up being better than those three, but judging him against Maiava isn’t fair.

Mangini plays a large part in the draft. He doesn’t have the final say, but he has a big say. He’s stacking some of his own deck.

I don’t care how “exciting” our draft picks are, I want players who will help us win games and Mack will do that. Almost everyone had Mack rated above Unger. He’s going to be our starting center for the next decade. Spending huge money on top 5 draft picks is not efficient, so I’m happy that we traded down to get more players and cheaper picks.

No one, literally no one, cares about your excitement factor but you.

Maybe Mack costs like 45 million dollars less, because he was pawned to prevent an immediate all pro defensive line (Rogers, Raji and whoever),

BJ Raji will not be an immediate All-Pro. I promise you that. I believe (without looking up) that the last rookie DL to make All-Pro was Jevon Kearse?

or because he was chosen instead of Unger, who would have been a stalwart at center for the next decade or so

So Unger and Raji are Pro Bowlers, and Alex Mack is not. Tell me more man from the future!

Mack will make a good guard, and if so maybe a steal. And some of those guys may actually start, but do any of them get my juices pumping? The excitement factor is zilch.

I have read NOWHERE that Mack will play Guard. I have read that he can, but he will be a Center for the Browns. If your not excited about building up an offensive line, then you should research on how good teams are built. The Browns had a great offense two years ago because the O-Line finally was a strength. Football is about blocking and tackling.

He wouldnt want to .

What the heck does that mean?

After watching Favre’s stink job down the stretch for the Jets, I’ll pass. If you give me the Hall of Fame Packers version, I would take it in a second. Players don’t last forever