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Cleveland Browns Training Camp 2009: Defensive Line Preview (Part 2)

After covering the potential starting defensive linemen of the Browns yesterday, now it's time to take a look at the players who will be competing for the reserve roles. When you consider that someone like Shaun Rogers isn't an every down player, it remains important that there isn't too significant of a dropoff in production down the depth chart.

For a reminder of Part 1 of the defensive line, click here.

5. C.J. MOSLEY - BACKUP DEFENSIVE END

7367_mediumC.J. Mosley (#69)
Height:
6-2
Weight: 305
College: Missouri
Experience: 5 years
Stats: 17 tkls in 2008

A former sixth-round draft pick of the Minnesota Vikings, C.J. Mosley has spent the past three seasons with Mangini and the Jets. He doesn't have a lot of starting experience (7 starts in 47 appearances) but was a versatile backup who kept his mouth shut.

Here is what thejetsblog.com had to say about Mosley back in February when Mosley was still a free agent:

"I liked Mosley a lot as a ‘depth guy’ for the Jets. He had a high motor and gave the Jets solid pass rushing depth on sub packages." Link

He already received a positive endorsement from general manager George Kokinis back when Mosley was first signed by the team.

"C.J adds another piece to the defensive puzzle," said Kokinis. "He is a competitive defensive lineman that runs to the football and will fit in well with the players in that group."

Player Quality: C
Final Roster Odds: 90%


6. SHAUN SMITH - BACKUP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN

6695_medium Shaun Smith (#91)
Height:
6-2
Weight: 325
College: South Carolina
Experience: 6 years
Stats: 36 tkls, 11 games

Sometimes you just get that vibe that a player isn't going to be with your team very much longer. Right now, that feeling is at the expense of defensive end/defensive tackle Shaun Smith. After a decent 2007 season, Smith made a lot of noise in 2008. Unfortunately, that noise was made off the field, like when he allegedly punched quarterback Brady Quinn in the face. Yep, that's a nice way to make the fans love you.

On top of that, according to Tony Grossi from a report in May, the new coaching staff told Smith to "Shape up and shut up." That doesn't exactly sound like a warm welcome, especially when two of Mangini's former defensive linemen have been signed (Coleman and Mosley) and there are younger players who will shape up and shut up. Once deemed a very reliable and versatile backup to Rogers at the start of last season, Smith's pompous demeanor has overshadowed the playmaking ability we thought he had.

Player Quality: D for detrimental to the team
Final Roster Odds: 60%


7. AHTYBA RUBIN - BACKUP DEFENSIVE TACKLE

8967_medium Ahtyba Rubin (#71)
Height:
6-2
Weight: 330
College: Iowa State
Experience: 2 years
Stats: 11 tkls in 2008

If S. Smith isn't going to be the backup to Rogers, then Ahtyba Rubin has a fair shot at claiming that role. Rubin is tied with Louis Leonard for being our second-largest lineman, and he showed some promise during his limited action last season.

In our big win against the Buffalo Bills last season, he recovered a Fred Jackson fumble in the third quarter. His best statistical game came in Week 16 against the Bengals when he recorded 5 tackles in a 14-0 loss. This is the type of situation where it would've been really nice to record some of these games and look back at Rubin's plays. Maybe rufio's assessment of him during a game last year can be improved upon:

"He needs to get lower in his stance though, I can always tell its him and nor Rogers because he is so high in his stance." -rufio, during a game thread against the Texans

Player Quality: TBD
Final Roster Odds: 80%


8. LOUIS LEONARD - BACKUP DEFENSIVE TACKLE

8690_medium Louis Leonard (#93)
Height:
6-4
Weight: 330
College: Fresno State
Experience: 3 years
Stats: 25 tkls in 2008

It's difficult to speak on Leonard's specific weaknesses, but something has to be up when you receive more playing time than a rookie (Rubin) in 2008, but fail to create the same type of buzz.

Although Leonard has been in the league for two years with three different NFL teams, last year was technically his rookie season in terms of playing time. He and Rubin have similar builds, but I can't see the Browns keeping both players unless they decide to part ways with S. Smith. Down the depth chart, you get to a point where players are pretty much replaceable. We found Leonard on the free agent wire, and chances are we can find another player like him if necessary during the season.

Final Roster Odds: 40%


9. SANTONIO THOMAS - VETERAN DEFENSIVE LINEMAN

7625_medium Santonio Thomas (#97)
Height:
6-4
Weight: 305
College: Miami
Experience: 3 years
Stats: 13 tkls in 2008

Just who is Santonio Thomas? He's been in the league longer than you'd think. He started his career as an undrafted free agent for the Patriots back in 2005. He spent the 2005 and 2006 seasons on the Patriots' practice squad before finally seeing some in-game action in 2007.

The Browns signed Thomas after Robaire Smith's season-ending injury last September. Once again, with minimal playing time to go by, it's hard to evaluate these types of players. Thomas should head into training camp as an underdog though, and should only be in the mix if the team decides to rid of S. Smith. At 27 years old, he's also 3-5 years older than Leonard and Rubin. It's hard to imagine him improving upon his game at this point, so unless he shows standout ability over either of them, his roster odds won't be very good.

Final Roster Odds: 25%


10. MELILA PURCELL - PRACTICE SQUAD DEFENSIVE END

8454_medium Melila Purcell (#97)
Height:
6-5
Weight: 295
College: Hawaii
Experience: 1 year
Stats: 2 year practice sqd

It seems like a rare case where none of the defensive linemen above Purcell are eligible for the practice squad anymore. Melila Purcell, on the other hand, who I keep forgetting is still on the team, can still go on the practice squad. Would he like it? Probably not, as he has spent the past two seasons (minus one game) there.

Yahoo still has Purcell listed at 266 pounds, which is more of what he was like in his college days. He weighs in at 295 pounds now, but lacks the NFL experience to make a splash at the defensive end position, especially with Mangini's pair of Jets ready to see playing time there. When the Browns chose to sign Thomas last season after Smith's injury instead of promoting Purcell, it was probably a telling sign.

It's probably time for Purcell to try to catch on elsewhere. Of note, rookie linebacker David Veikune, who fans and coaches seem to be high on already, was initially Purcell's backup in college at Hawaii.

Final Roster Odds: 25%
Practice Squad Odds: 40%


11. ADAM HOPPEL - UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT DEFENSIVE LINEMAN

Images_medium Adam Hoppel (#67)
Height:
6-2
Weight: 300
College: Cincinnati
Experience: 3 years
Stats: 13 tkls in 2008

Our only rookie defensive lineman in camp this year, I headed over to Scott Wright's Draft Countdown to look for a scouting report on Adam Hoppel. There was none.

Hoppel grew up in Ohio, making him a semi-local player. Hoppel's family has a background in wrestling, including his father who was a three-time state high school champion, his uncle who wrestled at Bowling Green, and his cousin who was an NCAA Division III wrestling national champion at Muskingum. When it came time to make a decision, Hoppel chose football over wrestling. Now he'll get the chance to play for the team I'm sure he watched fairly often growing up.

Stats from his biography: "Saw action 35 career games and racked up 81 tackles, 13 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks… Recorded four sacks as a senior" Hoppel appeared to play the defensive tackle position at Cincinnati, but would fit in more as a defensive end in our defense.

Final Roster Odds: <1%
Practice Squad Odds: 25%


DT Position Quality: C- (Backups Only, Minus the Loser of Coleman vs. Smith)


It's safe to say that the Browns will definitely carry six defensive linemen, with a good chance that they'll carry seven and a (very) outside chance that they'll have eight. These players should have near-guaranteed roster spots:

Locked Up: Shaun Rogers, Corey Williams, Kenyon Coleman, Robaire Smith, C.J. Mosley.

That's five, without really having a backup nose tackle. In a battle of Rubin vs. Leonard, I'd take Rubin as the sixth man. If we choose to go with a seventh player, which I believe we will, it should come down to Leonard vs. S. Smith. If the coaches feel S. Smith has responded well enough to their blatantly honest advice, he should be our final lineman. If not, that's when the odds of making the team improve for the rest of the bunch in the list.

Poll
(Two part question) Do you see DL Shaun Smith making the final roster? Who is the NT behind Shaun Rogers?
S. Smith makes the team, A. Rubin is the backup NT
139 votes
S. Smith makes the team, L. Leonard is the backup NT
25 votes
S. Smith gets cut, A. Rubin is the backup NT
234 votes
S. Smith gets cut, L. Leonard is the backup NT
35 votes

433 votes | Poll has closed

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I am pretty high on Rubin. I think he’s the only one of this group I want playing NT at any point in time.

Also, if he is 330lbs, I am 95lbs.

by rufio on Jun 29, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If S. Smith is 325, Im 1lbs.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis

by Roger Dorn on Jun 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea what this means, but I like it.

by drjeo on Jun 29, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jun 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am told that the so vaunted and revered term “Dawg” refers mainly to a type of defensive line player. Is that correct? And if so, who is dawg material. I envision a stout, stocky individual with a good temperament, patience, diligence, durability.
If the dawg is mainly a type of defensive line player, does the term extend to encompass other positional players? Could it be detrimental to expect a linebacker or defensive back to be a dawg type?
Otherwise, I think our top 3 look good (Rogers, Williams and Robaire Smith), as a novice I am of the opinion that of the second tier Shaun Smith, Ahtyba Rubin and Adam Hoppel look like “Dawgs”. That´s six, representing my choice for roster retention.

by mooncamping on Jun 29, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youre basing it on who LOOKS like a term you made up?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought dawgs is common slang?

by mooncamping on Jun 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I envision this person cackling with laughter every time you take him/her serious enough to reply…

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jun 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5. Defineatly keep Mosely

6.

7. Rubin will hopefully be a good backup

8. I hope we keep LL as a DE/ DT because I think he is at least decent at stopping the run

9. Sorry Santonio, but I dont think you bring anything to the team. Cut

10. Purcell to the P-Squad, and if there is an injury put him on the roster.

11. How many people are usually on the Practice Squad?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant if another D-lineman gets injured put Purcell on the roster.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many years has Purcell been on this teams practice squad? It seems like 5 easy.

I think there is some rule against that.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 1, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just two. I don’t understand the third year eligibility rule well enough to know if Purcell can be on it again.

But, yes, I was surprised that it was only two years, and not something like three or four already. Maybe I was thinking of Andrew Hoffman too much.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Jul 1, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about sorenson? I thought he was on the P squad for a few years.

Well if Purcell cant Hoppell might be worth giving a shot. Does anyone get my vanilla joke about him though?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, no. Can you give us a hint?

by drjeo on Jul 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll try to rephrase it.

Maybe its just me but compared to the other lineman, Hoppell looks rather vanilla.

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorensen came from another team, I don’t think he was ever on our P squad

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Purcell is worth it.

by rufio on Jul 2, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe its just me but Hoppell seems rather vanilla. (Get it?)

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jun 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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