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(Flashback to 2005 offseason)

"He's not like most first-time coaches," said Joe Linta, Crennel's agent. "He's a guy with more credentials.

"Although he hasn't been a head coach, he has five Super Bowl rings. The Browns aren't just getting a coach.

"They're buying into a program. They are getting 25 years of experience and knowledge."

The 2005 off-season was sweet.  Butch Davis era was done.  The Cleveland Browns needed some new blood.  The Browns had hired a hot-shot young GM from Baltimore in Phil Savage.  The Browns decided that the newest era of the Browns needed a defensive make-over.  Savage went looking for a defensive coach that ran his style.  Phil Savage set his gaze on New England.  Year in, year out the Pats seemed to have good defenses.   Yes New England had a so called "defensive genius" as a head coach, but he couldn’t do all that by himself could he?  He had the help of long-time assistant Romeo Crennel.  Crennel was chosen to be the 11th head coach in the history of the Cleveland Browns.  We were promised a new team.  We were promised a 3-4 defense that would mirror Baltimore and New England.  We signed Jason Fisk.  We drafted Antonio Perkins.  We were about to win a crapload of football games.  Times were good. 

(Present day)

Romeo Crennel stunk.  Todd Grantham was a power hungry fool.  Jason Fisk sucked.  Perkins never played.  Belichick was that smart good at cheating.

Ummm…. Let’s try this again.

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We are now being promised a new brand of defense.  Once again we dip our collective toe into the Belichick coaching tree, but hopefully in a different end.  Romeo Crennel was all about the bend but don’t break defense (BBDBD).  Make the offense play well in order to beat you.  If your offense is a good one, the BBDBD may be the best way to attack an opposing offense.  Look at 2007, our offense was great, so the BBDBD was able to give us 10 wins.  Romeo looked like a genius.

I hate BBDBD.  I crave an attacking defense.  I want a defense that brings the blitz and forces the offense to game plan to the defense.  When did you ever think an opposing OC looked at our Romeo Crennel’s defense on tape and worried?  Romeo’s defense was bland, no varying our front 7.  Wimbley lined up at the same position down in and down out.  We rarely brought DB blitzes, and when we did, they never seemed to get to the QB.  Our best defensive playmakers would be in the same spots every down, and the same players would rush.  It’s not hard to see why this brand of defense was short on making big plays. 

So, we start again on defense.  Things are not nearly as poor as they were in 2005.  We have a bad ass at NT.  We have a CB that could be a man-to-man demon.  We have a tackling machine at MLB.  We have a plan.  We have some pieces to build around.  We are no longer depending on Jason Fisk and Simon Fraser for minutes. 

In the NFL, the most valuable defensive position is a DT that can push the pocket and control the LOS.  With Shaun Rogers, the Browns may have the NFL’s greatest athletic force.  Albert Haynesworth, a great player in his own right, does not have the pure athletic talent that Shaun Rogers possess.  Haynesworth just became the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.  Great defenses have great DT/NT; for example, Hampton, Wilfork, Williams Wall, Jamal Williams, Haynesworth and Ngata.  All of these players teams were at or above .500 last year.  The Browns wasted a Pro Bowl season out of Shaun Rogers.  I don’t think that Mangini and Ryan will make that same mistake.

Eric Mangini cut his defensive teeth under Bill Belichick.  He has named Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator.  Bryan Cox, former bad boy LB under Parcells and Belichick is now the D-Line coach.  Matt Eberflus, former University of Missouri DC, is now the LB coach.  Jerome Henderson was a DB under Mangini in New York in 1997-98, is now the DB coach in Cleveland.  How can these guys make our defense any better?

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Freaking sweet. 

Rob Ryan, son of legendary defensive wizard Buddy Ryan, has a long history of good defenses.  In the NFL he has coached with Mangini in New England where Ryan was the LB coach.  In New England he had the knack of getting pressure from his entire defense.  Ryan was named DC in Oakland in 2004.  Ryan had his problems in Oakland.  He clashed with Lance Kiffin.  He was accused by Kiffin for going behind his back to Al Davis and changing defensive game plans.  It wasn’t all bad in Oak-town.  Ryan actually somehow made really bad team look decent on defense at times.

In 2004 the Raiders defense was much better against the run.  They went from 4.6 YPC in 2003 to 3.7 YPC in 2004. Good enough for 7th in the NFL.  Rob Ryans best LB that season was Danny Clark.  Needless to say, Ryan wasn’t working with much that season.  In 2005 the YPC went up to 4.0, same for 2006.  In 2007 the rush defense fell apart and fell to the worst in the league at 4.8 YPC.  Last year Raiders stayed crappy at 4.7 YPC.  How did the Browns stack up?

Oakland Cleveland
2004 3.7 YPC* 4.3 YPC
2005 4.0 YPC 4.2 YPC
2006 4.0 YPC 4.4 YPC
2007 4.8 YPC 4.5 YPC
2008 4.7 YPC 4.5 YPC

Some quick facts.  2004 was the first year that Oakland ran a 3-4 defense, it didn't last long though.  2005 and 2006 the Raiders ran some 3-4 but mostly switched back to 4-3 looks.  It is nice to see that Ryan was able to use the 3-4 to stop the run.  Looking at these numbers, I really wonder why they switched.  In 2007 Lane Kiffin was hired and brought his fathers Tampa-2 style defense to Oaktown.  Ryan has run almost every defense under the sun, but he got his best results against the run with the 3-4.  Sweet.  Remember, the Browns weren’t facing LaDainian Tomlinson twice a season in his prime or Larry Johnson twice a season.  That can kill a team’s average.  It looks like Ryan will be able to help the rush defense for the Browns if he can revert to his early Raider days.  I’m not saying that Ryan will be able to work miracles, but with the talent that the Browns have at NT and the tackling machine of DQ, I am thinking we could get the YPC down in the 3.8-3.9 area.  That would be a huge help in getting this defense in an attacking mode.

Against the pass, Rob Ryan is a throwback.  He loves man-to-man (no wonder Al Davis loved the guy).  He had the NFL’s greatest man-to-man (MTM) CB in Nnamdi Asomugha.  That makes it pretty easy to put your CB’s on an island.  Mangini has also been a fan of MTM.  He had Darrelle Revis who is quickly developing into a force.  I think that the Browns have a young CB in Eric Wright that could turn the corner into an elite level CB that is able to go toe to toe with the top WR’s in the NFL.  I think that Ryan is a great coach for Wright.  After seeing how Nnamdi prepares for Sunday, Ryan should have a great insight into making Wright a great CB.  If Rob Ryan is going to throw our young CB’s into MTM coverage, we could face some huge breakdowns.  I’m willing to risk it if that means that the Browns defense will be bringing those extra defenders in high pressure situations.  Jerome Henderson is the DB coach.  He has had little experience in coaching but worked under Mangini in NY and helped with the development of Revis.  Can Rob Ryan turn Elam and Pool into safeties that can play MTM and be the last line of defense?  Can Wright and McDonald/Hood turn into capable CB’s?  After all, DeAngelo Hall couldn’t handle the pressure and fell apart and was shipped out. 

Rob Ryan has had experience working with talented OLB in a 3-4 in NE.  In Oakland Ryan was forced to use mostly a 4-3.  He was able to turn Derrick Burgess into a sack machine.  This unique background gave Ryan the ability to coach both defenses and decide which defense best suits his personel in Cleveland.  I think we can all agree that the 3-4 would be the best approach.  Ryan also caused a stir when he and Mangini mentioned that the Browns will be running the 46 defense invented by his father.  In case you have no idea what a 46 defense is, Rufio gave a great breakdown a little while ago.  Shorthand version is the 46 defense uses safeties and movement of LB’s to create massive disorganization amongst the offense.  When it is run correctly it is a sight to behold.  Watch the Baltimore defense when it is running on all cylinders.  It is fun to watch (unless it is against the Browns).

 

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Those are not isatoners...

Bryan Cox is the new DL coach.  Outside of Ryan, I am most pumped about Cox.  He is a bad man.  He was a player that you hated when your team played against him.  He has experience getting to the QB (He had 14 sacks his 2nd year in the NFL) and his played all over the field in a 3-4.  He is experienced and knows how to use his hands to shed blocks, something our defensive players need to learn ASAP.  To be honest, Cox is here to kick some ass.  He doesn’t handle underperformance well.  He was all over his D-Lineman during the OTA’s.  He is a screamer and in your face kind of guy.  In other words, if Corey Williams doesn’t get his act together under Cox, he may never in a 3-4.  D-Lineman in a 3-4 are glorified blockers for LB’s.  Great 3-4 linemen not only collect blockers but also make plays on the other side of the LOS.  Rogers is a great one.  I think that Williams has the talent to be a very good DE, but he has to show it now.  I get excited when I think about lining Rogers over the Center with Williams over a guard and a blitzing ILB over the other.  That means Rogers is one-on-one with a center.  I cannot think of any Center in the NFL that could handle Rogers alone.

I do not think that the Browns have a great defense.  I think that they have the talent to be a good too very good defense.  Wimbley will have to rebound into a great pass rusher.  He has the talent, but he needs to add new moves and get a mean streak.  Wimbley should be following Bryan Cox around at all times learning from the veteran coach.  We here at DBN have talked about DQ being a tackling machine, but he needs to be making the big plays.  Maybe adding some big plays to his normal 10 tackles a game.  We will find out in a hurry if Elam and Pool are able to run this defense.  From everything that I have read Mangini loves to use his safeties in confusing offenses.  Pool and Elam are young, but both very talented.  Elam should have a great leg up with experience playing for Mangini in his system. 

Mangini and Ryan will make this defense attack.  The Browns will be a fun watch one way or another.  We could be watching a playmaking defense find its stride, or we could be watching a tire fire.  I can’t remember the last time I was excited to see a Browns defense.  This year is different.  We have a bad man at D-Line coach.  We have a mad man at DC.  I can’t wait.  We will attack on defense.  Be warned Minnesota, your first.

 

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Do you suppose you could link back to this the day before the Vikings game.

by steelerstyle on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota was warned about the big

improvement in the D & its change to an attacking style based on the coaching & personel changes.

by steelerstyle on Jul 2, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Sir

Are a Douche.

"There's nothing that cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes.

by rose_11 on Jul 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wimbley should be following Bryan Cox around at all times learning from the veteran coach.

This.

by rufio on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done- it’s nice to be excited about our defense once again! We have seen in our division time after time that a powerful, attacking defensive team can have success even with a mediocre offense. Let’s just hope we stay disciplined and play smart, hard nosed football and maybe we can turn into contenders as well!

Joey_D

by Joey_D on Jul 2, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done indeed

I know what I don’t expect. I don’t expect 11 defenders running around, arms flailing, legs rooted, ball-watching, minds in Disneyand. That’s what I don’t expect.

Discipline cost us a lot last season. The small things made us lose games. Fix that and already we have big improvement.

by skipkirk on Jul 2, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. I’m finding it harder and harder to wait for September to come around.

by tjk_doc on Jul 2, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can defend the line of scrimmage and the first 20 yards, you´ll win. Defend the line of scrimmage. The d-line is for making the o-line´s day a nightmare, whilst doing so they will get tackles, they will move the pile, each linebacker has his zone of horror, why overcomplicate things. You have an outside linebacker and a cornerback on each side to rush on occasion, not just for show.
You have seven plus two for the first 20 yards (three linemen+four linebackers+two cornerbacks on occasion). And two plus or minus two for beyond 20 yards (two safeties+or-two cornerbacks. You have your area and assignments and that´s it. If I´m an outside linebacker and the play is on the other side, I still have my flats and my part of the line of scrimmage covered. Don´t allow them to momentumalyze you!
Don´t let them momentumalyze you!!!

by mooncamping on Jul 2, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Get it, I made up a word there. MOMENTUMALYZE! We will not be momentumalyzed. We own every inch of turf beyond the line of scrimmage.

by mooncamping on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It appears to me that you make up pretty much all the words you post here, for all the sense they make. I recommend that in the future you try to defragamentalize your writing, while using less obfuscararization.

by drjeo on Jul 2, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m totally serious when I say I wonder if this person has ever seen an American Football game.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you a thousand times, moon. I enjoyed your post. My favorite part was that word you made up. Whatever it means, I’ll be using it from now on.

by elsandito on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve grown to enjoy his posts as well.

by gahnki on Jul 2, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had that wrong.
For the first 20 yards, it´s 7+2-1. That means you have three down linemen, four linebackers normally, that never leave the 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. 2 means the cornerbacks will be expected to step up and get in on gang tackles. -1 means one of the inside linebackers drops back in the corridor of the box on passing plays, possibly beyond the 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, to be a third safety.
Beyond the first 20 yards, it´s 22+1. That means before the play develops you have only the two safeties responsible for anything beyond 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage. If it´s a pass the cornerbacks join the fray back there, and one of the inside linebackers will be dropping straight back within the corridor of the box to act as a third safety.
So I have 9 players assigned to areas, with secondary assignments depending on the play. It may seem simple, but it requires every player to make a decision whence the play evolves.
There are two things I don´t want to see next year:
1. What I call the making a “gorge”. That is when a play is determined to be a pass play, and anyone other than the down linemen, flex like they are one organism, usually you´ll see all the linebacker dropping back, creating this no mans land behind the defensive line. If I´m a spectator watching TV I do not want anyone except the two cornerbacks and one inside linebacker dropping back beyond what is visible on the screen.
2. We don´t rush the “pre collapsed line”. If the offensive line wants to line up yards off the line of scrimmage, sometimes already standing up, we will not waste our time trying to rush it, we protect the line of scrimmage. In this alignment you have no chance to get to the quarterback, unless you are a cornerback taking an extreme angle, why hit and engage a wall, if it´s a running play you will be out of position. Don´t help support the pre collapsed line, by rushing it you are helping them make the pocket.
We only blitz the quarterback if there is a chance of getting to him. Believe me, a quarterback is more pressured, when he has more and more time, but no one to throw it to.

by mooncamping on Jul 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops, once again. typo. 2+2+1.

by mooncamping on Jul 2, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. What I call the making a "gorge". That is when a play is determined to be a pass play, and anyone other than the down linemen, flex like they are one organism, usually you´ll see all the linebacker dropping back, creating this no mans land behind the defensive line. If I´m a spectator watching TV I do not want anyone except the two cornerbacks and one inside linebacker dropping back beyond what is visible on the screen.

This actually touches on a desire of mine. I wish TV camera angles would come from the endzone more often. The overhead view hides what is going on in the play too much. That’s why you have people like our misinformed friend here who don’t realize other stuff is going on behind the camera.

by gahnki on Jul 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish TV camera angles would come from the endzone more often.

I completely agree with this. I believe others (kwoog?) do too. Chris Collinsworth agrees when he is the color man in Madden.

However, I think mooncamping was trying to say that he doesn’t like to see the Browns dropping linebackers and safeties in to coverage any deeper than the box (not making a statement about camera angles, but defensive schemes). Keeping those guys in the box after the snap is especially dumb if we are playing man-to-man coverage and their assignments go deep.

One of many things I am trying to ignore about that post.

by rufio on Jul 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That´s the point, it´s a mixture of zone and man coverage. The man going through your zone is your assignment. In other words the man is covered within a zone.
If I´m a linebacker and the play evolves to look like a pass, I´m breathing down the neck of the guy coming through my zone. I´m in position to tackle him. People forget how scary it is to be a receiver, if I know I´ll get clobbered within the first 20 yards, passing through? passing through? Going into the next zone, going into the next zone, it is much harder for me to execute my pattern, much less catch it, much less be prepared for after the catch.
The quarterback and receivers will soon realize that the first 20 yards are badlands, it will effect their game, if they lose an entire aspect of a game plan.
It´s part of a good defensive mentality. As a team we take no individual offensive player terribly serious. We defend our area and try to approach perfection individually where we are within the team schematic.
We all miss the bump and run. but why not at least impede the receivers progress, be in front of him (it should be like the basketball rule, if you´re not attacking you´re merely in the way), impede his progress, be a presence, make sure he realizes you are there.
It should be almost viscerally obvious to the receiver he is passing through one danger zone into the next danger zone, covered by these two guys, now these two guys, now who? where?

by mooncamping on Jul 3, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do not concede the first 20 yards, ever. Not running not passing, that is the fringe area, where football pressure is most densely concentrated.
So lets call the first 20 yards the fringe area.
The next whatever amount of yards is the verge area.
Ok, so the first 20 yards feels to the offense like a fringe, like trying to get over a cliff.
Beyond that is verge territory. Getting the ball there should feel like being on the verge of accomplishment, we want them throwing it there. But it should definatly feel like hit and miss, merely on the verge of accomplishment, no sure bet.
So as a receiver the first 20 yards is like approaching a cliff, the fringe, and thereafter it´s like a verge, you know, meee, meee, meee. But it´s like walking on air, kind of insecure, merely on the verge of accomplishment.
We want offensive accomplishment to be felt and appreciated. A yard is a yard even in the defensive backfield.

by mooncamping on Jul 3, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The end zone camera angle has to happen. It’s just so much better.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 3, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be awesome to be able to have several angles to choose from. I’d pay to be able to switch back and forth.

by rufio on Jul 4, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that NBC does something like that with their Sunday Night game on-line, but since it is a computer feed the picture isn’t great.

After you watch a game in HD, it is impossible to go back.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I had an HD DVR or DVDR. The video my current DVDR takes is pretty poor quality, especially when you look at individual frames.

I’ll check out the Sunday Night stuff, it sounds interesting.

by rufio on Jul 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you have Directv here is a trick I used a couple of times. Call Directv and ask to talk to someone about canceling your service. When they ask you why, tell them that the cable company just called and told you that they will give you a HD DVR for free if you switch to them.

9 times out of 10 Directv will give you a free HD DVR. If you have cable you could try the same thing, only reversed.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 5, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously, i think you’re trying way too hard.

by Dawg Nuts on Jul 2, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you have a defense of super, HOF, elite players or score 40 points a game on offense, you just can’t play the read and react style of defense in the NFL nowadays. The passing game is too complex and too efficient to do that.

I’m so excited thinking about us doing some unpredictable things on defense and actually attacking for a change. Someone like Big Ben, Brady or Manning wil just shred you if you play vanilla all day. Hell, we made QBs like Cleo Lemon look like a quality starter by playing bland, easily predictable defense.

Keep in mind that there may be growing pains. With attacking comes the occasional blown assignment or big play by the opposing offense.

More sacks, forced fumbles, crippled opposing QBs, interceptions and dare I say it intimidation by our defense makes that a good trade off in my mind.

by mgtbfb on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Read and react is what a defense does unless they are playing according to script, and this is the NFL not the WWF. More players are out of position because they are choosing from a set of pre assigned “possibilities” for a predicted set of offensive “possibilities”, ala´ Madden. Don´t reduce the best of the best to being actors in some elaborate scheme. What exactly is more complex about modern passing attacks, do they fly or turn invisible? It´s no different than it ever was, except the defense is expected to possibly be out of position. I tell you if everyone has a simple assignment, and maximum ability to commit to just two basic possiblities, you will see some exciting football.
What the offense does or doesn´t do is of no concern to the defense, except maybe bad field positioning. If you´re on defense, you play as dominantly as you can. You´re the guys the offensive players will be ashamed to be with if they don´t perform.
Ben, Brady and Manning will be gnawing their mouth pieces if they have no one to throw to, and their running game is shut down.

by mooncamping on Jul 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i’ve never heard someone say that a defense doesn’t need to be concerned with what an opposing offense does. please explain this ridiculous statement further to give me another good laugh.

by Dawg Nuts on Jul 2, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Romeo picture reminds me of the Chris Farley SNL skit where he is a motivational speaker that lives in a van down by the river.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is getting a little Chris Farley rotational fist pump going there, isn’t he?

by rufio on Jul 2, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about when Manning was the host and there was that motivational locker room dance?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved those skits. My brother has the Best of Chris Farley DVD and we’ve watched that many times. He used to imitate him really well.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 2, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes! Right at 4:26 is the same move Romeo is doing.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t expect the read and react to completely leave our defense—and I don’t think that’s a bad thing. With all of the talk of flexibility and hybridity, the read and react will always be an option for us. Hopefully it won’t be the only option.

The zone-blocking running systems employed by Denver, Atlanta, etc. are designed to take advantage of aggressive defenses. In theory, Romeo’s 3-4 would be the best scheme against zone-blocking running games. it probably matches up well against a West Coast passing game, too.

The problems that I hope Mangini will fix are:

1. We didn’t win one-on-one matchups. Any defense will need to do this to be great. We were always reading and hardly ever reacting. The individual players just didn’t look like they were taking care of their responsibilities on defense. Even when the schemes theoretically worked, their execution was pretty bad. I don’t think it is individual players because there were some team-wide issues. Hopefully I’ll have some illustrations of that later. The lack of speed of McGinest and Andra Davis is pretty clear on film, though.

2. We were far too vanilla, even when we were doing something that was supposed to be surprising. Even when Romeo did something like drop Shaun Rogers into coverage, or have Wimbley put his hand on the ground as a fourth DL only to drop in to coverage after the snap, he wasn’t actually surprising anyone. We had a lot of “too cute” defensive wrinkles. They were simple, and they didn’t force the offense to do anything. A good defense will surprise you by dropping that lineman into coverage, right in front of the WR you thought was going to be open…and then take you down for the sack because they brought the untouched rusher. We would maybe do one or the other. Frustrating.

by rufio on Jul 2, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point on #2. romeo was all about gimmicks for the sake of being gimmicky.

by Dawg Nuts on Jul 2, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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