Worthlessburger accused of assulting women

by kardiackids2007 on Jul 21, 2009 10:18 PM EDT Comment 77 comments

Not at all surprising considering he's from the Steelers. This is the 5th Steeler player that I've heard about in the past year having criminal charges against them. There were a couple other sexual assault cases and the Jeff Reed yelling at gas station owner for no toilet paper in the bathroom. I mean common, he probably doesn't use toilet paper at home.

Edit by Chris: Edited out unnecessary Steeler bashing. Not interested in that being the topic of discussion for Steeler fans who come over to visit.

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Adam Schefter had a funny Twitter post on this. Something along the lines of:

Athletes need to learn that no means no. And yes means no in the morning

by Roger Dorn on Jul 21, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d say you just delete the whole post, Chris. Until there is more evidence of something actually happening then I don’t think this is something we need to discuss. And if it did happen, we certainly shouldn’t act like we’re taking pleasure in it.

Athletes on every team get in trouble, including the Browns. We shouldn’t act like this is something unique to the Steelers.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish that someone had made this into a fanshot.

The Steeler bashing stuff is boring. It does sound like Roethlisberger has some trouble on his hands though.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It takes a lot of nerve for one of us to get up on the moral high ground after this offseason.

by fwembt on Jul 22, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Id say that if true, these charges are a lot more reprehensible than Stallworth’s actions because of intent.

by gahnki on Jul 22, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely not. Dante Stallworth knew that what he was doing could get someone killed and simply failed to care enough to prevent it.

by fwembt on Jul 23, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Stallworth stuff is murky still. The most recent report was that he had a couple tequila shots with Braylon Edwards at 2am. He went home and slept until 7am, at which point he woke up to get breakfast. His BAC still registered above the legal limit at the point, but he did have 5 hours of sleep in between

by Roger Dorn on Jul 23, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He also sounded like he thought he was ok to drive. He objectively was not ok to drive, but it doesn’t seem like he knew what he was doing could get someone killed.

Also, there is the whole “he jumped out in front of my car” thing. I don’t know if I buy it because he apparently had time to flash his lights, but it’s out there.

by rufio on Jul 23, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well according to what I have read, he did flash his lights.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 24, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh sorry, misread your comment. Yea, he had time to flash flights, the question was how much space and room did he have to break

by Roger Dorn on Jul 24, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are a couple of things wrong with that statement. First, the amount of alcohol in a couple of shots of tequila would not result in a BAC that high nearly five hours later, it’s not possible. Second, being asleep has no effect on the way the body processes the alcohol, so that doesn’t really make a difference. Third, there is never an excuse to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle when you are impaired. It’s not forgivable.

I don’t mean to be preachy but the soft-pedaling of the Stallworth case disgusts me. He drove a car when he was drunk. It was a calculated risk that he knew he was taking and the punishment that he got for it was a complete joke.

by fwembt on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not forgiving him, which is why I said the details are murky. I think there is a lot in this case that GP isn’t aware of, and directly relates to why his prison sentence was so short.

Also, he had 5 shots of tequila, I think that is enough to keep you over the BAC limit in 4-5 hours time. It is quite possible that Stallworth felt completely fine that morning, but still had a BAC over the legal limit. It’s also possible that his driving had nothing to do with the accident.

I am not trying to absolve him, but there is a lot we don’t know

by Roger Dorn on Jul 24, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I get all that. I’m just really touchy on drunk driving. I didn’t mean to jump all over you.

by fwembt on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We live in society where bars pay to have parking lots and people drive to bars. How many dots do I have to connect to see what happens next?

by elsandito on Jul 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to pile on, but there have not been criminal charges filed as the poster implies.

Agree with the other folks that both Browns and Steeler fans should have a wait and see approach before slinging mud or defending.

I live in Pittsburgh right now and it amazes me how local people in cases like these say things like “Ben would not do that because that’s not the type of guy he is.”

As if any of us know what these athletes are like on their own time.

Sad day for everyone involved.

by fivekmd on Jul 22, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not that this speaks anything to the alleged incident referred to in the initial post, but in response to your observation about pittsburghers commenting on the “type of guy” ben is…

someone who would know (not willing to divulge the source…so take it w/ a grain of salt if you wish), tells me that ben is a serious jerk (pg version of the actual wording used). like, not even particularly well-liked in the locker room.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the input. I was actually being nice to the steeler faithful but since you brought it up I will comment. As I stated, I live in Pittsburgh and I have a close friend who has been to “benapalooza” (his birthday party) several times. Let’s just say there is no question that the QB of the steelers is a dirtbag. and that is from a diehard fan of the steelers.

by fivekmd on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And him being a dirtbag has nothing to do with this particular case until more information is gathered; my original point.

by fivekmd on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s pretty funny cause my buddy’s dad Roethlisberger’s dad and he says thay are both complete assholes.

by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

knows Roethlisberger’s dad typos for the win

by North Coast Flea on Jul 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve actually met his dad and his mom … they seemed like really nice people … but I’m not hanging around them all the time so I really can’t comment on what kind of people they are outside of the casual meeting. I have heard that Ben was kind of a douchbag in high school also … I had a cousin who went there and a couple friends … I guess he kinda acted like his shit didn’t stink on the football field even though I’m pretty sure he didn’t even start for Varsity until his Senior year … but don’t quote me on that.

by jsneides on Jul 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They call him Big Ben for a reason

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

While I believe this gal is looking for a check and the suit is baseless, I am puzzled as to why Steeler bashing is out of season? We have a long tradition of depicting Steelers in an almost cartoonlike negative trashy evil worthless stupid way. If this is about political correctness, I think it’s misguided.

by elsandito on Jul 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Political correctness??? Who said anything about political correctness? This is sports, not politics.

My only point was that it’s kind of ridiculous to act like the Steelers are bunch of criminals when plenty of players on our own team have gotten in trouble with the law in the past. Not to mention the fact that one of our players killed a man in an auto accident this offseason. So any Browns fan taking a “holier than thou” approach with any other team is rather laughable.

We can still bash the Steelers and their fans, of course, but let’s not pretend that Browns players are somehow better people than Steelers players. They’re all athletes who have all the flaws of the rest of humanity. Let’s keep the bashing to football stuff and not off-the-field behavior.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Points taken, but where has anyone pretended the Browns are better people? I can’t find it in this thread. What I can find is either rational comments or fun Steeler bashing. Neither of those things have to do with the Browns’ moral character.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 22, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was referring to the original post, where he is listing all the trouble that Steelers players have gotten in to this past year. He starts his post with “not surprising considering he’s from the Steelers.” That’s certainly implying that Steelers players are more likely to get in to trouble than players on the Browns or other teams. I don’t know how this isn’t obvious.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a better

opinion of this site than I have had in quite some time.

by steelerstyle on Jul 22, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sorry to hear that. I browse the rest of the sites of the AFC north teams and I really think this site keeps it pretty clean in comparison.

by fivekmd on Jul 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A) I never said or implied that bashing other football fans is acceptable. B)I wouldn’t care if all 45 Brownies and their coaches were ax murderers, I’m still going to say outrageously stupid things about the Steelers because that’s part of the fun of a rivalry. Any Steelers fan who takes offense is missing the fun.

by elsandito on Jul 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dont you mean 53

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 22, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not if he was referring to players who dress on Sunday.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Jul 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What happens to the other 8?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They don’t dress unless they are the emergency QB, I believe. He can dress, but if he goes in the game one of the first 2 QBs can’t go back in. Something like that.

by rufio on Jul 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder who the emergency QB on the Dolphins will be White or Henne?

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 23, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a bit absurd. The fun of a rivalry is in the playing and watching of the games. Character assassination doesn’t need to enter into it for any reason. I loathe the Steelers, always have, always will. That doesn’t make it ok for me to spout baseless accusations about them as people. Hate the laundry, not the person.

Well, except for Hines Ward.

by fwembt on Jul 23, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, except for Hines Ward

EVERYONE hates Hines.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 23, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN Refuses to Report

Part of it here So I guess the worldwide leader in sports suddenly has morals? I agree with the above post where it is said that its prolly just a chick looking for a paycheck … but for all the crap that ESPN reports on, I’m not really seeing how this is an exception … anyone else have any ideas?

by jsneides on Jul 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it’s not yankees, red sox, or favre-related, so it has no appeal to ESPN.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 22, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Steelers fans like to argue that they “get no respect.” I find this crazy, as I think they’re over-celebrated… Everything from glorifying Ward’s dirty play, Rooney’s “genius” at winning the lottery at birth, to not reporting this.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

obviously, i was taking a shot at ESPN … but i completely agree with you. mike tomlin is paul brown, if you listen to ESPN. ben is one of the greatest, most beloved players in history, if you’re to believe the worldwide leader. and i’m actually pretty sure this isn’t the way rooney carries himself, but you’re right…if we’re to listen to ESPN, rooney hit a triple, it’s not that he was born on 3rd base.

when you’re good and you’re dirty (ward), you have a passion for the game. when you’re bad and “dirty” (winslow), you’re an a-hole. that’s another general criticism of espn, not just their coverage of the steelers.

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well of course, in sports you’re either a “winner” or a “loser”. There is no in-between.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

where do people who “know how to win” fit?

by DontCallMeJoey on Jul 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wherever they want to?

by fwembt on Jul 23, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?? How in the hell do Steelers fans think they get no respect? All I hear is how they’re the “model franchise” of the NFL.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s probably mentioned once in every thread over at BTSC. Prior til 6 months ago, they had won one Super Bowl in 30 years. I guess they think they should be covered like the 00’s Patriots, 90’s Cowboys or 80’s 49ers all the time.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Live in Pittsburgh and yes that is the exact attitude they have here, and to all those “yinzers” Big Ben is a saint, with the arm of Montana, the poise of Peyton Manning, and the football intellect of Dan Marino. Oh, and now they’re on this “city of champions” kick, hmm I think NY has them beat overall, just taking a stab in the dark there though.

by North Coast Flea on Jul 23, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hockey doesn’t count. City of champions my arse.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately, I think with the pats, celtics, red sox in the last several years, Boston has this title.

And no, hockey does not count. I’m here as well in pittsburgh and getting sick of that crap already.

by fivekmd on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 championships in the past how many years for Pittsburgh. City of champions is a little much

by Roger Dorn on Jul 23, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you guys don't know what the hell you're talking about

then again with cleveland’s championship drought, I guess I can’t blame you.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jul 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well by all means let us bow to your superior genius.

Now go away douche.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 26, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love Steeler style smash mouth football and it’s a model organization. I can only hope that Cleveland can overcome the tragedy of its current situation so we can get back to playing the Steelers competitively.
Having said that, there are many cities who could call themselves a city of champions if the only comparison is with Cleveland. You wanna compare yourselves to Boston or NY or Detroit? Then you become “a city who won a couple of championships lately”.

~ It's no fun throwing fastballs to guys who can't hit them. The real challenge is getting them out on stuff they can hit ~ Sam McDowell

by elsandito on Jul 26, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

go back to your own forums if all you’re gonna do is talk smack

by North Coast Flea on Jul 26, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please point me to where I am wrong. At no point did I call Cleveland City of Champions

by Roger Dorn on Jul 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Montana’s arm wasn’t all that special.

by rufio on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, he still was the best QB ever though

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 23, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

whoops forgot … thanks for keeping me on track haha

by jsneides on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

or roy holladay related

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 22, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

potentially Yankees/Sox related, no?

by rufio on Jul 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Blue Jays wouldnt trade him to a team in the AL East

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 23, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They would if they get the right offer.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because not trading within the division would shut off the pipeline of overpriced talent flowing to the Yankees/Red Sox?

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Jul 23, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because they would have to face him many times every year. It would be worse than us trading Shaun Rogers to the Bengals

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 23, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Many times every year? At an absolute maximum they’d see him 6 times…. 6 out of 162 games. The talent you receive in return would be at your disposal 162 times out of 162.

Not trading a player within the division at the expense of receiving the best package of talent in return is not serving the best interests of your team. My sarcastic point in the prevous post is that if the Jays keep Halladay away from a divisional rival by trading him elsewhere, it’s not as if the Red Sox/Yankees won’t have anywhere else to shop.

Also! the Jays would be making this deal knowing full well that they probably won’t be a favorite to win the division in 2010, so trading him within the division isn’t exactly the worst case scenario. In fact, the worst case scenario is trading him to another division for a lesser package of prospects, not being competetive in 2010, and then Halladay signing within the division in 2011 anyhow.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, we get that. We know what trading within the division means.

Trust me — if they got a great package of prospects from the Yankees or Red Sox then they wouldn’t hesitate to trade him there. Of course they’d be competing with him in the division, but NY and Boston would be facing all the prospects they gave up to Toronto a lot longer than Halladay will be around. I’m not saying it will happen, but Toronto isn’t going to turn down a great offer just because they don’t want to trade him in the same division.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be worse than us trading Shaun Rogers to the Bengals

I find this funny considering Rogers was alomst traded to the Bengals.

Sucks for them.

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I watched a guy (their GM?) say that they actually would, because he could leave in FA sometime and go to either team. I wasn’t paying that much attention, though.

by rufio on Jul 23, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course. There’s no reason he wouldn’t trade him to another AL East team if they offered the best package in return.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that she waited a year to file doesn’t bother me as much as the fact that she is only persuing her claims in civil court.

Lets let all the facts come out before we declare him guilty or innocent (although I’m strongly leading towards innocent). If he’s guilty I really hope she decides to file criminal charges in addition to her civil suit. If he did it he should rot in prison as well as forfiet millions.

If he is in fact innocent I hope he unleashes his legal team on her and hounds her into bankruptcy. I know if I were in Ben’s shoes I would do everything in my power to ruin her life (assuming he’s innocent). I would not forgive or forget. Outside of accusing someone of child molestation their might be no worse false charge to levy against someone. It may be worse than calling someone a murderer or traitor IMO.

In addition, every false rape claim makes it that much harder for true victims of rape to be heard.

Unfortunately, I have some experience (albiet indirectly) with this issue. An immediate family member was the victim of rape and I had a close friend who was savagly beaten over a false rape claim (the girl admitted she lied once police got involved).

Rapists are scum that deserve to die. False accusers deserve the same.

by mgtbfb on Jul 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

amen brotha

by jsneides on Jul 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

false accusers rape reputations

by North Coast Flea on Jul 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If she is only pursuing civil claims, then he won’t rot in prison

by Roger Dorn on Jul 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hence me being dubious of her claims. If it’s true and after all this time she’s decided to come forward wouldn’t you think she’d go to the police first? I understand that civil courts can only award monitary judgements and not hand out prison time. Was just saying that IF he is guilty, she needs to press criminal charges and he should be locked up. If he’s really innocent I hope he goes after her with a counter suit.

For the record, I’m not a huge fan of his. I’ve been told by three different people who interacted with him at Miami of Ohio that he’s a rude prick and a bit of a bully (or was then, people do change) plus he’s a Steeler….. However, being a prick doesn’t mean you deserve to be accused of something you didn’t do.

The whole thing just smells bad to me but I guess we’ll see once the whole story comes out in court. We all know it will be on every channel 24/7 (unless Brett Favre does something noteworthy like have a bowel movement or get a haircut).

by mgtbfb on Jul 24, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a dumb thread, only tangentially at best related to football. Gossiping about some player’s personal life, let alone someone on a separate franchise, is dumb. I’m not being high-and-mighty: this thread just sucks and should end.

by joeee on Jul 26, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did you complain about the Stallworth threads?

by Roger Dorn on Jul 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stallworth was a Browns player. Stallworth was a question about next year’s receiver corps. Stallworth – confirmed – killed a guy – confirmed BAC .12. This is completely different. And, I’m pretty sure some took care to reign in harassment or delight over such an ugly instance.

by joeee on Jul 27, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Roethlisberger incident was AFC North newsworthy, but should’ve been handled as a FanShot. With training camp approaching and enough people getting their thoughts in on this situation, I’ll close comments to ensure we stay focused on training camp.

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by Chris Pokorny on Jul 27, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs