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Packers Run Through the Browns in 17-0 Shutout

CLEVELAND BROWNS (0-1) GAME #1 GREEN BAY PACKERS (1-0)
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That was a pretty bad game of football by the Cleveland Browns, wasn't it?

I could care less that we lost a preseason game. With a lot of the playcalling, I'm sure some things were done to test how they would work in the regular season. The thing I was extremely disappointed in though was the fact that our offense could not even muster a successful drive. If you can't do that in the preseason, it becomes very difficult to evaluate many of the bubble players. Last year, I was able to make an assessment on players like Travis Wilson and Paul Hubbard during the first game. Last night, we barely even heard names like James Davis, Lance Leggett, and Jordan Norwood.

Let's get to the full breakdown of the Browns' 17-0 loss to the Packers...

PRESEASON GAME 1 - BROWNS VS. PACKERS (GENERAL THOUGHTS)

  1. Just Look at the Carries: This is exactly what I'm talking about -- Jerome Harrison got three carries, James Davis got two carries, and Noah Herron got one carry. Combined, that's six carries for our backup running backs. How many carries did the Packers' running backs get? 38 carries. For the game, they had five running backs with six or more carries. It feels like I know a hell of a lot more about the individual skills of the Packers' players than I do ours.
  2. Preseason Game Ball: I'm going to go ahead and give it to DB Coye Francies. The interception sort of fell into his lap, but he still had to be in the vicinity in the first place to make that play. He looked fluid on his attempt to return the pick too -- if he hadn't stepped out of bounds, he might have gotten a score. Later on, the hit he put on Sutton was by far the best shot of the game from either team. I love seeing a physical cornerback.
  3. Come On: We're struggling enough in the game offensively, and we need to waste a 1st-and-10 carry on FB Charles Ali in the third quarter? Is that seriously going to advance our ability to evaluate whether or not he's going to make the team? That carry should've gone to Harrison or Davis.
  4. First-Defense Without Rogers: Not that I don't like Ahtyba Rubin, but you could again tell that without Shaun Rogers in the game, our defensive line is vulnerable. I only recall seeing Rogers play for the first series before he got the rest of the night off, which definitely made it more difficult to judge the type of pressure we can generate during the regular season.
  5. Abe Elam Allows a Bomb: In their prime, the thing I liked about Sean Jones and Brodney Pool was that neither one of them seemed to give up an open touchdown deep down the middle. If Rogers isn't in the game, we can't generate a pass rush with a three-man line. Rodgers had way too much time to sit in the pocket and wait for an opportunity. He found it when Elam fell behind on veteran Donald Driver. It wasn't a great first game for Elam, but I still have hope.
  6. Week1prerodgers_medium Packers QB Aaron Rodgers was too comfortable in the pocket against the Browns first-string defense. Credit: Getty Images

  7. Lost in the Shuffle: While it was disappointing that we point zero points on the board, I think it might have gotten lost in the shuffle that the Browns had a very positive opening drive with Brady Quinn under center. Quinn converted two third down passes to WR Mike Furrey, who in one game showed some similarities to Joe Jurevicius.

    Furrey seems to know where and how to settle down in an open spot past the marker and then, most importantly, secure the ball for a catch. It ended up being a 11 play drive covering 56 yards (more like 66 yards if you ignore Hank Fraley's holding penalty on the field goal). Considering we didn't get Braylon Edwards involved in the drive, I'll take this as something positive to look forward to next week.
  8. On the Other Hand: It was a complete disaster for Derek Anderson. His best attribute his being able to fire the ball to a receiver. He was ready to do that twice against the Packers, but his arm was hit on the throw both times. The scouting reports from training camp held true -- Anderson is holding onto the ball a tad too long, which is something he hasn't always done in the past. In an ideal situation, the coaches will work with Anderson to get him to deliver the ball a little bit quicker to see an improvement against Detroit next week.
  9. Trick Plays 1-for-2: By my estimation, we attempted two trick plays -- the end around to Joshua Cribbs, and the behind-the-line pass/run to Jerome Harrison. Cribbs' play worked to perfection, while Harrison's did not. It's easy to knock the Harrison play because the Packers read it perfectly, but that's exactly the type of play the Leon Washington would see with the Jets. Next time, maybe it will work a little better.
  10. Edwards Just Did it Again: All of the nightmares from last season returned for Braylon Edwards when Quinn targeted him for the first time in the game. Edwards was open on a very nice pass in the back of the end zone, but he did not hang on to the ball. I think some people overreacted when the next pass was intercepted though, because it didn't appear to them that Edwards fought for the ball. The defensive back had tight coverage and made a good play on the ball after a risky pass by Quinn. Nonetheless, it remains Edwards' fault that it even got to that point.
  11. Week1preanderson_medium QB Derek Anderson held on to the ball too long against the Packers defense, going 0-for-2 with an interception during his two series. Credit: Getty Images
  12. Tucker Should be Starting: I remain an advocate of seeing Ryan Tucker starting. I hope he gets that opportunity next week. If we don't want him to retire, keeping him on the second- and third-string lines isn't the route to go.
  13. What a Leg on Crosby: That Mason Crosby has some leg. The conditions made it manageable to try the 60-yarder, and although he barely missed it, it seemed like it could've had the distance from 65 or 70 yards.
  14. Call Me Crazy: Having Joshua Cribbs as a regular receiver isn't an advantage just because he's catching the ball well, it's an advantage because I could see him on the receiving end of those 15-yard facemask penalties. His catch-and-go style along with the fact that he can deliver a nice stiff arm to a cornerback can force the defender to make desperation tackles. Unfortunately, he'll probably slip down the depth chart once we work our two second-round rookies into the mix.
  15. Wright's Still Top Notch: The best player in our starting secondary against the Packers was Eric Wright. He had a nice pass deflection close to the end zone that almost ended up being an interception.
  16. Finally Some Progress: After a couple of years of seeing Kamerion Wimbley rush the quarterback from the same right side over and over again to no avail, it was refreshing to see him coming off the left side. He wasn't a DeMarcus Ware pass rusher or anything, but it was evident that the defensive staff is making the effort to get more out of him than what we saw during the Crennel era.
  17. Other Defensive Highlights: When the backups were in the game, LB Marcus Benard had a knack for being around the ball carrier. More impressive than registering the tackles was making the tackles close to the line of scrimmage. DE C.J. Mosley took control of the Packers second-string offensive line, and LB David Veikune had his nose in the action a few times.
  18. Ratliff's Not Ready: Why is it that when Brett Ratliff plays for the Jets under Eric Mangini, he is able to rip us apart, but when the combination is on the Browns against another team, Ratliff doesn't even look the same? He took three sacks and tossed two interceptions; I was upset that Richard Bartel didn't get the respect of a series at the end despite Mangini saying he would receive one.
  19. More Blitzing: Although some of our third-down pass rushing schemes were less than ideal, overall Rob Ryan did dial up a few more blitzes, including an all-out eight-man blitz in which C.J. Mosley registered a sack.
  20. WR Notes: He saw limited playing time, but Brian Robiskie had a good opportunity for a ball later in the game. If he would have broken off his route a little quicker, it would've been a nice, deep completion. Lance Leggett had a nice catch that didn't count due to an illegal formation penalty (although Leggett didn't come down in bounds anyway).
  21. Walker Ahead of Rucker: Don't be surprised if TE Martin Rucker doesn't even make the team. Robert Royal seems to be getting all of the first-string action, and with Steve Heiden being "rested", Aaron Walker is getting the receptions as the backup tight end. He led the team with 3 catches for 48 yards.
  22. Center Evaluation: Next week, I'd like to see what Alex Mack has to offer on the first-string line. He had a few nice pancakes against the second-stringers, and his holding call looked more like a pancake than a hold. Hank Fraley had a holding penalty that took our only would-be points of the game off the board.
  23. Isaac Sowells: Cut him now. I'm tired of seeing an unproductive, penalty-creating offensive lineman.
  24. Brownies: I loved hearing Bernie Kosar again. When he hammers an opposing team's quarterback on their first play or two, it's too entertaining. Or, when Noah Herron doesn't do a great job blocking on one play, Bernie says that he isn't ready at all to be a blocker at this level. The Brown pants weren't putrid, but I could do without them. Alex Hall had a good game with five tackles. Beau Bell also had five tackles, but if you would've asked me after the game how many he had, I would've said zero. Too many people knocked Jamal Lewis. I thought he had a decent push on the first drive without stutter stepping.

Hopefully we regroup and look better against the Detroit Lions next week. If we can't see the game due to a blackout too, I'll be pretty bummed out too. There were only 6000 tickets left a week or so ago though, so you'd think that by now it would be pretty close to a sellout.

Next week, Quinn should get the start, and I want to see Mack and Tucker on the offensive line. I wouldn't automatically say that Anderson has lost his shot at the starting job just yet, because his arm can lead to a great game against the weaker defensive teams. I think it's safe to say that with one more bad performance from Anderson though, the only thing he'll win is the No. 2 job.

Star-divide

Here is the roll call of who participated in the game thread, with kjc having the most to say...

Roll Call: irish1083, skipkirk, kjc, Simmsinns, Estonianzulu, ChrisPokorny, BrownDawg1409, Juannieboy, realmccoy, BradyQuinnisBeast, NorthStarr, rockybrown, Bernie19Kosar, kwoog, APV, troy145, Mocking Dan, NM Dawg, mskiles314, Roger Dorn, fwembt, Buckeye Brad, Joey_D, dohior, JustBob
Total Users: 25
Total Posts: 288
Total Threads: 1

Name# of Posts
kjc 50
ChrisPokorny 43
Simmsinns 39
BrownDawg1409 34
BradyQuinnisBeast 20
Estonianzulu 20
Juannieboy 13
APV 12
rockybrown 10
kwoog 8
dohior 6
skipkirk 6
irish1083 5
Roger Dorn 4
Buckeye Brad 3
NM Dawg 3
mskiles314 2
NorthStarr 2
troy145 2
Joey_D 1
JustBob 1
Bernie19Kosar 1
realmccoy 1
Mocking Dan 1
fwembt 1

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I’ll re-post here from the game thread, and offer my thoughts later. Is there any chance we can move the DBN fantasy draft to a weeknight? Sat night will not be possible for me

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Mooncamping would be so very proud of your team name.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 16, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s to improving from my 3-9-1 record of last season!

by kjc on Aug 16, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you guys might like that

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roger, Rolub, and Skipkirk: u all should just give up now on division 3

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ll try to pick a different time where everybody can make it (although that will probably be near impossible to do). The date wasn’t actually set in stone; before I sent out the invitations, the draft was set to start last night. So I said, “opps, can’t do that…” and I just pushed it back for the sake of pushing it back.

How is everyone’s schedule on a Sunday night?

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 16, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, let’s try this. Everyone in the fantasy league, tell me if there are any days you WON’T be available from August 23 to August 29. Ideally, the draft would start around 9 PM EST on any of these days. If there is a day where at least 75% of the people can make the draft, I’ll try to go with that. Best to copy+paste the format below when posting (reply underneath me), saying either “Yes” or “No” for each day:

Aug.23 (Sunday) =
Aug.24 (Monday) =
Aug.25 (Tuesday) =
Aug.26 (Wednesday) =
Aug.27 (Thursday) =
Aug.28 (Friday) =
Aug.29 (Saturday) =

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) = Yes
Aug.24 (Monday) = Yes
Aug.25 (Tuesday) = Yes
Aug.26 (Wednesday) = Yes
Aug.27 (Thursday) = No
Aug.28 (Friday) = Yes
Aug.29 (Saturday) = Yes

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) = yes
Aug.24 (Monday) = yes
Aug.25 (Tuesday) = no
Aug.26 (Wednesday) = no
Aug.27 (Thursday) = no
Aug.28 (Friday) = yes
Aug.29 (Saturday) = yes

by kjc on Aug 16, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) = No
Aug.24 (Monday) = No
Aug.25 (Tuesday) = Yes
Aug.26 (Wednesday) = Yes
Aug.27 (Thursday) = No
Aug.28 (Friday) = Yes
Aug.29 (Saturday) =Yes

by skipkirk on Aug 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any night but Saturday is good for me.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) = Yes
Aug.24 (Monday) = Yes
Aug.25 (Tuesday) = Yes
Aug.26 (Wednesday) = Yes
Aug.27 (Thursday) = (Don’t think so)
Aug.28 (Friday) = No
Aug.29 (Saturday) = No

Would really prefer a Sunday-Wednesday if possible

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) = yes
Aug.24 (Monday) = yes
Aug.25 (Tuesday) = yes
Aug.26 (Wednesday) = no
Aug.27 (Thursday) = no
Aug.28 (Friday) = no
Aug.29 (Saturday) = no

for the record, i’m good for this saturday the 22nd.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Aug 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aug.23 (Sunday) =Y
Aug.24 (Monday) =N
Aug.25 (Tuesday) =Y
Aug.26 (Wednesday) =Y
Aug.27 (Thursday) =N
Aug.28 (Friday) =Y
Aug.29 (Saturday) =Y

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to include skipkirk, but since he sort of gave me permission to bypass his vote since he’s overseas, right now it looks like Sunday, August 23 is in the lead. Unless the next four or five people all say “no” to that day some time in the next day or two, this will be the date.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ill have to check. Are you all on Eastern time though?

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Eastern time.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Aug 18, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

How can I get in on the Fantasy League? If you have an opening, I would love to play with you guys.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris already had a post up about it.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t wanna spoil the party since I’m from Australia, so I don’t mind being the odd one out. I’ll prerank my players.

by skipkirk on Aug 17, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

looks like the brown pants may become are away pants, which would be fine…. if they had stripes!!!!

also, I don’t mind Bartel not playing as he was laughin on the bench during the 4th.

by kjc on Aug 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

What does one do? Sulk?

by skipkirk on Aug 16, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The brown pants definitely need stripes.

And I don’t mind Bartel laughing on the bench with other players. As skip said, do you want him to sit on the sidelines and pout?

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean when anderson was in they showed brady quinn still listening in to the play calls and had the playbook in hand and was still keeping his head in the game… that is what i want bartel to do.

by kjc on Aug 16, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soz. I read it that you wanted him to be unhappy haha

Yeah. I guess having a playbook in hand wouldn’t be a bad idea.

by skipkirk on Aug 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like them less with stripes.

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by kwoog on Aug 16, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how the same people who were optimistic about our wastefull draft and offseason feel after watching that preseason game. Our defense isn’t going anywhere unless we can pressure the opposition, so Elam and those pointless CB’s we picked up are gonna continue having to cover receivers for 5-8 seconds on an island

by The Licensed Pessimist on Aug 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, we have increased pressure. It’s still not much but every step is a step. Francies isn’t a pointless CB I think most of us agree.

But yes, it was hard to watch. The team showed more resemblances to 2008 more than anything.

by skipkirk on Aug 16, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams never show much during the preseason. And it’s way, way too early to call our picks wasteful. Let them play a few real games first, at least.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like I always do after the first (or any) preseason game. “Meh.”

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Aug 16, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pretty much my attitude. Maybe it is reflective of what is to come, maybe it isn’t. I will draw my first real conclusions after the Vikings game

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you here about Farve again ? he’s in the news of course.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I change the channel when I see Favre news is coming on

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually might be more relieved to read that we didn’t blitz and show a lot of formations. Flashing an all-out 8 man blitz is probably not going to give anything away about more complex things we might do.

The third preseason game is the only one that even kind of matters.

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I added a roll call feature to the bottom of the post. It totals how many times each person commented in the game thread.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Aug 16, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you going to do this for every game thread? And, more importantly, is there going to be a prize for most comments at the end of the year?

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good God I hope not.

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by kwoog on Aug 16, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, no prizes. It’s something that a few other blogs have done the past few years, so I’m giving it a shot. There is a tool I use where it generates the info for me within a second or two. I might do it for every game thread; it seems like a neat little curiosity tool.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I was wondering how long it took you to count all those comments.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 16, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game threads don’t typically work for me since I can’t watch the Browns unless I go to a bar

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope moon wins

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

about the game blackout

I don’t know if any of you get NFL network, but they are showing a rebroadcast of pretty much all the preseason games. You just have to check the listings. I know that this game was shown at 1 am this morning. I DVR’d it so I can watch it tonight. So if the game is blacked out and you are unable to get tickets, you still may be able to watch the rebroadcast on NFL network.

by JDfromCLE on Aug 16, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I was out last night at about 2am, and they had NFL Network on, so I was fortunately able to see enough of what I wanted to see

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wanted to thank you guys...

Living deep in the mountains of Western North Carolina, my Browns coverage is about as minimal as it can be. Most of my information has come from this site, and I got all of my info about the game from the open thread last night.

by AgnosticTheocrat on Aug 16, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I am amused by your username

by Roger Dorn on Aug 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope this game

is not an indicator of what the regular season is going to be like. If so, we’re in for a long painful season of watching Browns football. Coye Francies I agree did deserve the game ball. I can only recall maybe six plays on defense where they looked “good” and he was in on two of them. I’m really hopeful that at least two of their rookies will have a major impact for them this season with Davis being the other. Lewis just looks slow and not that good out there anymore IMO. I liked the blitzes that Ryan dialed -up hopefully we see alot more of that. Quinn definitely looked way better than Anderson even though I may be one of only 3 or 4 other people that like DA. Is it just me or does Royal look like the most un-athletic tight end trying to catch a ball you ever did see? Overall thus far the only improvement I saw from last years squad seemed to be more sure tackling by the D. There were some missed open-field oppurtunities but overall the D tackled well I think thats a plus. I’m sure these guys will continue to get better and play within the system better.

Note: The Browns have extended their record streak to 28 qtrs w/o scoring an offensive touchdown in an NFL game. Lets hope that streak ends next saturday. if not I might begin to worry.

by Cavs4 life on Aug 16, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering about our TD-less streak. Couldn’t be bothered looking up how long since we’ve scored. Thanks for that.

Jamal looks slow, but I’ve never really thought of him as being explosive. He just stays on his tiptoes and powers on, relying on the holes created (there weren’t many on Sat) and on his blockers. I like that he still tries to fall forward though.

by skipkirk on Aug 16, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone looked slow to me! I think Mangini is overworking them, there all look tired.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn QB rating 43.9 Ratliff 34.9 and Anderson 00.0 How can you even what one this QB to even be on your team if they can’t get a QB rating over 80.0 in every game,Anderson you never really seen. and Quinn just made bad reads and poor throws. When you throw 13 times in a game and your QB rating is less then 80.0 the whole team has a long long year. If Quinn Anderson or Ratliff starts scoring than they will win the starting job. As it is now Mangini may try to get Farve out of retirement…

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

in about a quarter of action in the first preseason game, qb rating means approximately nothing.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But! Did you know that if Edwards catches the Quinn TD pass, that Quinn’s QB rating would have been 130.6!

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

(no joke, someone calculated it and posted on the OBR), shows how fluid those ratings are

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, just goes to show how one pass can make such a difference over a small sample. If Edwards catches that pass then we’re all talking about how great a game Quinn had.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not on two drives, thats no why to rate a QB. I really would like to see some real competition in the preseason game, a half each for Anderson and Quinn.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

so u cant rate a player on 2 drives, but u started the arguement by complaining about the QB ratings….

by kjc on Aug 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is like last year what could have been wasn’t. Just because a QB drives a team to the goal line then throws a pick you think that good??? That is what Anderson did last year. Every one was on him for Edwards and winslow dropping the ball. It wasn’t Anderson it was Edwards and wilslow but who did the sit not Edwards or winslow but Anderson a pro-bowler . Now all the Brady fans have to deal with Edwards. I’m so glad that you are happy with Quinn he won’t even be a brown next year. For some un-godly reason the QB’s are the one taking the blame for dropped passes. not receivers

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, completely ignoring kjc’s point. What a fool.

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by kwoog on Aug 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOBODY plays their top two quarterbacks each a half in preseason games. Definitely not in the first game, at least.

That’s why I ask, once again — have you every watched football before?

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is wild. further supports the point, and makes you wonder about qb rating at all.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more a result of the small sample of throws; if Quinn had thrown 25 passes than one pass wouldn’t make that big of a difference. Still, QB rating is far from a perfect stat.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes i do . Now if Anderson would have thrown two TD’s and went 2 for 2, but then again, what could have been wasn’t. If Ratliff would have had every pass that should have been his rating would have been way up also. You can’t go on what could have been, because it didn’t happen that way. Just like last year, if only Edwards would have held on or if Anderson, would have thrown it on a rope. Aren’t you getting tired of all the dropped balls and poor passing of all the QB’s . Anderson had no time, but quinn missed the short pass to cribs that you or could have thrown. They needed 2 yards the pass was way behind him. If he can’t hit that short pass then maybe its because, when he has to preform he chocks. If you saw that pass that Edwards dropped, then you know he should not have went there with it. i saw the whole game.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anderson didn’t hit Edwards in the numbers in the end zone during the preseason game which is what this group of posters is talking about. He did a number of times last year, I will give you that

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes i do . Now if Anderson would have thrown two TD’s and went 2 for 2, but then again, what could have been wasn’t. If Ratliff would have had every pass that should have been his rating would have been way up also. You can’t go on what could have been, because it didn’t happen that way. Just like last year, if only Edwards would have held on or if Anderson, would have thrown it on a rope. Aren’t you getting tired of all the dropped balls and poor passing of all the QB’s . Anderson had no time, but quinn missed the short pass to cribs that you or could have thrown. They needed 2 yards the pass was way behind him. If he can’t hit that short pass then maybe its because, when he has to preform he chocks. If you saw that pass that Edwards dropped, then you know he should not have went there with it. i saw the whole game.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chocks?

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are right about royal, he’s not a good Rec-TE he is the best blocking TE in the NFL. No one is a better blocker. The browns got him to improve there running game. Winslow couldn’t block and royal can’t catch.. As far as Quinn looking better then Anderson or Ratliff i don’t think a QB rating of 43.9 is any thing to brag about. The OL has to start doing there job or the browns may not win a game this year. The QB’s had to rush to many passes and if you don’t protect them it will be just like last year 4th or 5 string QB. But really you can’t evaluate the QB’s on this game. Bad game all the way around.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to stop the run in this league. I know Rogers was out and that is huge, but have to stop the run.
 One game, I am sure Mangini got on some ass, lets see next week before we make hasty concerns.

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by Grockcubs on Aug 16, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I am a little concerned that Mangini was “upset” and “fuming” after the game. I am not concerned about us not tipping our hand defensively. I am concerned about Brian Daboll.

I think it will get better as the preseason wears on.

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am more concerned about the secondary than I was before the game, but it is hard to fully evaluate when we are only rushing 3 guys.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, GB had a pretty potent passing attack last year. I am not sure even a team with great CBs and a great pass rush could look good against them in favorable conditions.

Who was struggling? Just Elam’s long TD, or were there other poor plays?

I really feel that Elam is a better “in the box” safety, while Pool is better deep. Maybe it would give some things away if we always had the two playing those positions, but I think a 50/50 split would hurt us almost as much.

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought McDonald was allowing the catch underneath him instead of making it more difficult. The out pattern appeared to be an easy completion against him

by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t get to see the game.

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least mangini didn’t punch daboll and break his jaw

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to Ken Dorsey btw? Does anyone know?

by skipkirk on Aug 17, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

i think he is in the new UFL

by kjc on Aug 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do u think he is good enough?

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice coverage.
Just two things: Why would you not give the ball to a fullback on first down?
And an endaround play doesn´t have to receive the diminutive designation trickplay, it´s part of the every down arsenal.
We used to say if you can touch it, you can catch it, concerning Eric Wright batting the ball away.
I´m steadfast in expecting Alex Mack to be a guard.

by mooncamping on Aug 17, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

lol, you and your fullbacks. Maybe if it’s a regular season game and you think you can catch the defense off guard with a FB handoff, fine, I can live with it. But in the preseason, when we barely got to see what our running backs can do, I’d rather see them get that play. We pretty much already know what Ali can do.

You’re right about the endaround not being a trick play really. However, since it is designed to fool the defense more so than some other plays do and it’s less commonly run, I feel comfortable enough lumping it into that category.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I´m steadfast in expecting Alex Mack to be a guard.

that’s fine…just know that you are steadfastly wrong.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mangini said, that who ever starts the Green Bay game next week the other QB starts, So if he holds true, to what he said Anderson will start next week.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You really need to fix your use of commas. Reading your sentences makes my eyes hurt.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t read it then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. If you post here then you should expect other people to read it and critique it.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw about 4 plays in a bar on sat night…and they were all on the drive that lead to the pick in the endzone (quinn drive). i thought quinn looked great…good command, solid pocket presence, and a lot of zip on the ball. threw a couple of great ones to cribbs, and the (would be) td pass to edwards was a big league throw. the pick was bad, but that’s obvious.

i’m hopeful that braylon is getting the bad drops out of his system early, and will round into form by the reg season. i wish he’d stop jumping for so many balls that don’t require him leaving his feet…talk about complicating something.

loved the brown pants.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta rec that

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quinn reminded me a lot of Tom Brady, footwork wise. He was very relaxed in the pocket and going through his progression nicely. Anderson, on the other hand, did not. He never really looked that relaxed. Quinn also seemed to have control of the offense. He was reading the defense and making calls. It was also good to see that one guy……. #95… Wimbley, yea it was good to see him again.

by The naome40 on Aug 17, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson throw two balls the rush was all over him. Quinn is a long long way from Tom Brady LOL

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said foot work was just like Tom Brady. Watch him once. Then watch Quinn

by The naome40 on Aug 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rush was all over him. That just shows he can’t read the defense. He’s a “Pro Bowl” quarterback, he should know how to audible, i mean Quinn did. I’m not gonna bad mouth either of them completely. They didn’t get nearly enough time. You would think with this going on, we would see more. Probably just eazing them into it.

by The naome40 on Aug 17, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see the plays, but Quinn knows how to move in the pocket better than DA from what I have seen of them. DA seemed to hold on to it a long time last year and wasn’t able to make anyone miss in the pocket. Quinn showed flashes of moving well in the pocket and avoiding rushers.

Could be another difference between them highlighted by the pass rush.

by rufio on Aug 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s good to see another writer that is putting a positive twist on the Browns game. I wrote a positive article myself this morning on my site too.

All the other haters out there say the Browns season is already over.

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by theW0LF on Aug 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think there season is over. They do have a lot of work before opening day. The first preseason game, is just something for the coaches to go on. Its not a big deal, the coach could have lay-ed back because we do play them in the Reg-season.

by dohior on Aug 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

*disagree

Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.

by doggrad87 on Aug 19, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec that everyone

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 19, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

dick

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 19, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean that was just a start. Offensive line did awesome. The browns DB’s did good also. Not talking about former Jets. Abram Elam

by The naome40 on Aug 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

We didn’t get sacked did we? But I’m still concerned with the Oline regarding opening up holes.

by skipkirk on Aug 17, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

grossi says on his podcast today that the o-line was atrocious.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There seemed to be a lot of pressure on the QB. Two of the interceptions resulted from the QB getting hit while throwing, I don’t know how much of that was the O-line and how much was the QB holding the ball too long, but betwen the lack of running game and QB pressure I don’t see how you could say the O-line played well.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just watched the DA INT. That ball should not have been thrown to Cribbs. It should have been thrown away or to someone else. DA had the time to pump fake before he threw, he should have used that time to do something else; run, find another receiver, anything. Even taking the sack was the better option.

The RG on that play should have done a better job, but I can’t blame that pick on DA. That pressure came right up the middle, and he knew it was coming.

by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

but I can’t blame that pick on DA

Did you intend to say that? Everything else you said made it sound like DA was at fault.

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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 18, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think I meant “I have to blame that pick on DA”.

or

“I can’t blame that pick on (the RG)”

sorry about that.

by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, well in that case…

by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll have to jump over there and read it later

by The naome40 on Aug 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

you’ll be well served to learn that the easiest way to have a “conversation” in these pages is to use the “reply” button at the bottom of each post. that way, you can respond directly to another comment, as opposed to putting it at the end of the page.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 17, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got the joke in ‘DontCallMeJoey’ after seeing that you had a picture of Stalin. Nice one.

by skipkirk on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i originally signed up for SBN on the Let’s Go Tribe site, and the reference is to the time when joey belle metamorphosed into albert belle…it was very clear that under no circumstances was anyone to call him joey any longer, under pain of death.

the avatar was suggested by one of the mods at LGT…too good for me to go away from.

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s what I always assumed you meant.

by Buckeye Brad on Aug 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I come in peace

Bengals fan here – please hear me out I am not a troll. I think you guys are going to have a tough year but not as tough as the first PS game indicates. Mangini is a different kind of coach and it had to be a real shock to the system when he took over. Your O and D lines will gel ok as their talent is not in real question and that is qoing to help a lot.

You need to pick a QB – NOW. It should have been done before TC and allowed whoever it is to develop his leadership over the team. If those two, Anderson and Quinn, are so close that you can’t chose – hell toss a coin but pick one, get the other one the hell out of the city thru a trade so he can’t be a factor and let your QB get on with it. The longer you wait the worse it will be and if the other guy is still around there will never be peace.

I’m sorry but Braylon Edwards is not the elite receiver everyone, including myself, thought he would be. He dropped another TD pass just this last game. If that were an exception rather than the rule I would give him a pass but he, IMO, was the primary reason for you not playing at least .500 ball last year. He dropped balls that my mother coud have caught and she has been dead for 7 years. Your rookies are good pickups, especially Robiski, but it will take a year or so for them to mature into the NFL. Hell you would almost be better off just cutting Edwards so your rookies can get more work.

Your D will get better as each game unfolds, your Oline will be very good again. You have some real young talent coming along in the RB and WR areas and once you pick a QB things will start getting better there too. I won’t sugar coat it. This last game was very bad and I expect you guys will be down but keep your heads up as things are not as bad as they seem. Being a Bengals fan I know what I am talking about believe me. I am actually rooting for you, except against us of course, as I am very tired of the Steelers and Ravens and their crap. I am hopeful that we will be able to give them some trouble this season and I am really looking forward to an all Ohio AFC Championship game sometime in the next few years. I hope Mangini works out but I really have my reservations. You guys overlooked some good coaches who were available go get a coach the players on his former team were glad to be rid of. Hey, this is just my opinion – Peace.

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by JUNGLEJOHN on Aug 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If the Jets players were glad to get rid of him then why did so many sign with us

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey OK

That’s just what I heard. Lets just see what unfolds. Like I said you have to be better than the first PS game. Everything could be alright. This guy really could be “Mangenius”. I don’t know and neither do you. I visited the Jets board when all of this was going down and that was the attitude that I saw there. There is no sense arguing about it we will all know in about 20 weeks or sooner.

All I am sayng is that your team needs to come together and the word is that he has a hard time getting people to work together. Judging from what I have seen so far that seems spot on, but it is still early and he did come into a tough situation. I didn’t come here to give you grief – hell I’m a Bengals fan – I have enough problems.

" My enemy said "Love your enemy". I obeyed and loved myself." Gibran

by JUNGLEJOHN on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t say I agree with everything you say here John but you do make some good points.

Our lines will be acceptable.

A QB decision would be nice but I’ll defer to the head coach and wait patiently.

I’m also waiting on Braylen to get his head out of his but and play like a professional. I’m not ready to get rid of him just yet.

I would also agree with us taking down the other two teams in our division and make Ohio proud of both football teams.

Good luck to the Bengals and I hope you only lose to us next year.

Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.

by doggrad87 on Aug 19, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think our lines will be very strong

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 19, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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