My own notes on the Browns' loss to GB

by BrownDawg1409 on Aug 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d811edd48/Packers-17-Browns-0

After watching some of the highlights, I'm a little more confident that the Browns will have some upside this year.

My observations:

1) The staff is not only moving Wimbley, but they're teaching him more moves two.

How many times have we seen his shoulder dip? If you watch the pass plays were Wimbley rushes, you'll see him attempt a few club/rip moves to get the tackle off of him. Obviously they didn't work in this reel, but you get the point. Where before he would just chase and chase, he's working on counters that will increase the pressure he creates.

2) Long runs were just bad gap control.

At 0:17, I'm guessing Barton was supposed to be reading the gap that the RB would take. In this one, he guesses wrong and ends up in the same gap as a D-lineman. Our playes are going to have to be disciplined in controlling their gaps and not getting nosy for the ball.

3) Just look who was open!!!

At 3:17 of the video (the Quinn pick) I'm sure that if Quinn wasn't under pressure, he would have seen the wide open Harrison who may have been able to take it in for a TD. Another example of how we're going to struggle if we can't protect the QB.

4) Anderson's Pick

Interestingly enough, it was Alex Mack who has at center when Anderson was picked off (2:17). The Browns used an interesting pass protection for this. The line slides left while LG Eric Steinbach pulls to the right. This was probally used to emphasize play action, but it essentially makes Steinbach the RT as eveyone else slides left a position, including TE Robert Royal, who was on the right side to begin with. Either way, it looks like the RG->C on the play was to blame as the blitz broke through their 'A' gap. Still doesn't change the fact that Anderson could have tried to slide and avoid the rush.

5) Who's covering him?

At 1:47, the Packers run a play that moves both of their backs out of the backfield on delayed routes, one RB+ one TE. Jackson runs with the RB on the flats. Barton steps up to the line, but never really blitzes. My guess is that he was in man coverage over the backfield TE. But he doesn't see him, and the TE makes a big gain over the middle.

There's my two cents worth. I know there's a game discussion topic, but I figured this would be better for everyone to see my list of thought.

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So Your Optimistic Because

1. Wimbley has learned new moves that don’t work.
2. A LB that was brought in because he understood “the system” made a mental mistake
3. Our QB can’t see wide open receivers although he had plenty of time to focus on the covered one.
4. A new OL scheme did not work and allowed a sack.

I appreciate the notes Browndawg but your optimism just depressed the chit out of me.

by realmccoy on Aug 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

4. A new OL scheme did not work and allowed a sack.

This is not really new. A lot of teams are doing it because LBs and safeties sometimes make their pass/run read based on what the OL is doing. If a pulling guard means it is a run, LBs/Ss are going to get a good jump on the ball and the advantage on the play.

I am glad we are trying it, even if it didn’t work well on this particular play.

It’s the first preseason game, and Mangini doesn’t sound like the type to be satisfied with this performance. If they look bad in the third preseason game, that might be a more appropriate time to worry.

by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Quinn looked good

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions

Wimbley is letting the OTs get in to his pads too much on these highlights. They outweigh him by 50ish lbs, and he probably isn’t going to win a shoving match in time to get to the QB.

His best asset for rushing the passer is still speed and agility, he just needs to use it in another way besides the shoulder dip; start with a speed rush up the field, then punch the OT hard in the chest, pushing him further up the field. Once that OT is off balance, then use that rip move. He isn’t going to be able to walk up to a well-balanced OT and shove him over en route to the QB. Speed to get the tackle off balance, then power to beat him. More leverage wouldn’t hurt, either.

by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions

If I can remember correctly, Quinn pick, I believe he stepped up in the pocket and threw of his right foot, taking away some velocity of the pass. If he would have stepped into, giving Braylon catches it, god forbid, touchdown.
Anderson’s pick should have never happened. Throwing to Cribbs in double coverage? Cribbs is a talent, dont get me wrong, but he hasn’t justified himself as a receiver yet. I do believe he is on his way.
Somehow, I saw Wimbley getting handled 1 on 1. They ran right at him and he couldn’t get off the block. Hopefully a different story with Rogers in there too. He still was getting pressure on the Q.

by The naome40 on Aug 18, 2009 6:30 AM EDT reply actions

I pretty much agree with you on the INTs. DA knew that pressure was coming and knew he probably wouldn’t be able to avoid it. He should have hit his hot receiver, threw it away, or just taken the sack.

Brady needed to step in to his throw or not throw it at all. I feel like he flashed the accuracy and arm strength to be able to make that pass to Braylon when he made some of those 3rd down completions to Furrey.

In other words: these still look like the same two QBs we’ve known them to be.

by rufio on Aug 20, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Seemed to me that Quinn was sorta hell bent on giving Braylon a chance to redeem himself. Wish he would have hit Harrison in the flat, and I think (hope?) normally he would have.

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by kwoog on Aug 20, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions