Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 17 - It Only Gets Worse
After a pretty bad loss to the Green Bay Packers on Saturday, the Cleveland Browns were back on the practice field for the first time since last Thursday. Unfortunately, rather than turning things around from Saturday's debacle, things only seemed to get worse. It sounds like we'll be in store for a heck of a Great Lakes Classic this coming Saturday!
I've decided to stick with naming the "Day" number as the same number as the date. This works out since the Browns first training camp session took place on August 1 this year.
TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 17 (8/17/09)
- Uncharacteristic Day for Furrey: After being Mr. Reliable in terms of his hands, it wasn't the best day for veteran receiver Mike Furrey. Furrey had a couple of drops, with the biggest one coming when Derek Anderson fired a pass to him. The ball bounced off of Furrey's hands and into the arms of LB Eric Barton for an interception.
- The Quarterback Chronicles: If a little kid was asked to draw a picture of how well the Browns quarterbacks did in practice Monday, I guarantee you he/she wouldn't draw a sunshine despite the fact that temperatures were roasting in the mid-90 degree range. Just like Anderson had a pass picked (see above) in drills, Brady Quinn threw a pick to LB Marcus Benard, who returned the pass 45 yards for a touchdown.
- Two-Minute Drill (Anderson): After a false start penalty by LT Joe Thomas, Anderson completed passes to Furrey and Steve Heiden before scrambling for a would-be sack, killing the drive quickly. He moved the ball 12 yards in just four plays.
- Two-Minute Drill (Quinn): Quinn didn't fare much better, moving the ball just 25 yards in nine plays. Of note on his drive -- LB Kaluka Maiava came free on a blitz causing an incompletion, and DB Nick Sorensen almost intercepted a pass intended for Lance Leggett. To end the drive, on 4th-and-12, Quinn could only manage to toss the ball out of bounds.
- Penalties Add Up: Those penalties created by the players in Saturday's exhibition games didn't go without punishment. Every player who committed a penalty had to run a lap. I wonder if that included C Alex Mack, whose holding call was questionable. Mack was running with the first-team offense during practice. Rapid Reports stated that third-string center Dustin Fry put a Shotgun snap into the ground and ran a lap for it. Yikes.
- Bubble Watch: WR Lance Leggett dropped a pass thrown by Quinn. DB Bret Lockett has received prais from Eric Mangini and has looked pretty decent.
- Not Practicing: Sitting out/on the bikes at the start of practice were RB Jerome Harrison, LB David Bowens, OL Ryan Tucker, WR David Patten, TE Martin Rucker and NT Shaun Rogers. Patten did end up rejoining the team later on though.
- Buzz on Davis Continues to Lessen: After rookie RB James Davis made a lot of noise at the start of camp, things have quieted down a lot for him ever since the Brown/White scrimmage a few weeks ago. He hasn't broken as many plays in practice, and had to run a lap Monday for fumbling a running back exchange.
- On the Other Hand: The buzz surrounding Coye Francies continues to get hotter. He was playing tight coverage again during practice, forcing a few incompletions.
- Cribbs Could be No. 2: From Mangini's press conference, it sounds like there's a serious chance that Joshua Cribbs might be our No. 2 receiver to start the season. I know we took Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi this offseason, but I am rooting for Cribbs to finally get that opportunity.
The Browns will have two sessions on Tuesday -- one in the morning and one in the evening.
Tuesday's Links/Camp Sources
- Monday, Aug. 17: No starter named (Akron Beacon Journal, Ridenour)
- Browns' Mangini: It's too early to name a QB (Cleveland Plain Dealer, Cabot)
- Camp Notes: 8/17/09 (Orange and Brown Report, King)
- Practice gets sloppy (Canton Repository, Doerschuk)
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practice today
I was at the practice today and I was a little confused about a play. At the end of BQs 2 min drill he threw a pass that looked like a touchdown to MoMass, I heard no whistles but the play got called back. What happened?
by brownsMania on Aug 17, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know for sure. I read online that during Quinn’s two-minute drill, he threw a pass to Massaquoi but Kaluka Maiava had a “touch sack” on the play. Maybe that’s what happened, thus bringing the play back.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 18, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeepers. Sounds like nothing got done except for Francies.
by skipkirk on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Settling down
Would be nice to have the bones of a first unit appearing after the Detroit game- whether the player selection is 100% or not they do need to start playing together and learning a team rhythm and style.
When you’re starting from scratch you need to start somewhere.
by LondonBrown on Aug 18, 2009 4:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Things don't seem like they are going too well.
It’s early and I would like to have some reason for optimisim. However, from the limited observation of one preseason game, it appears this team can’t run and does not pass well enough to offset it’s run problems. It’s D can’t pressure the opposing QB nor convincingley stop the run.
I hope I am wrong, but we might “regress” from last year. OMG!
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
by Juannieboy on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the limited observation of one preseason game
this is the most important thing you said. hold off until game 3 before you start to draw any real conclusions (or start to panic…)
we might "regress" from last year
this would be impossible. i’m not saying the record will be light years better (although it should be 2-3 wins better), or we’re going to be contenders, but mangini is implementing a system, which will bring with it some bumps. the mere existence of a system to be implemented, though, is a step in the right direction.
by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we win fewer than 4 games, I might jump off a cliff
by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the browns aren’t winning! You have a new coach a lot of new players offense and defense is working on a new scheme, there timing is way off there are over perusing and blocking late, the RB’s are missing the running lanes. The QB’s are making bad reads over and under throwing there receivers, they are learning a new system but wait is it really a new system or a very old system, in 1946 to the 1980’s the browns had a system Mangini is trying to teach this old system to the new browns, its smash mouth football its what the old browns were made of.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Browns aren’t winning because they haven’t played any real games yet.
by rufio on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lions went 4-0 last year in the preseason
by Roger Dorn on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I didn’t know that.
Okay, everyone relax.
by skipkirk on Aug 19, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we enter our fantasy draft late and how long does it go for?
by skipkirk on Aug 18, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can enter late. I would project that it would last about an hour and a half.
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by Chris Pokorny on Aug 18, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just going to say this b/c I want to, which is not really my style, and it’s not really a novel thought at all, but I’m sick of the QB controversey. DA is probably not a starter in this league… but he’s definitely not a starter here, in Cleveland, with everything that’s gone on. Besides that, Quinn is the best QB on this team, and everything flows from the QB in NFL football. I’ve seen enough to know that he can move the chains, and with an iota of job security I’m sure he’d increase his downfield shots (actually, Grossi alluded to this yesterday).
I’m not being facetious when I say that everything would improve with Quinn at QB. Yes our Offense would move the ball more consistently and put more points up, but the I think the Defense would improve, the special teams, the post game interviews, everything. The QB is almost always the soul of teams in this league (not always, but mostly). When he’s not, the only way you can be successful is to have a Ravens-esque D. We don’t. It’s time to let a well-pedigried, big time college, first round draft pick who is the hardest worker on the team have his shot.
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by kwoog on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
In the 1960’s to the 1980.s the browns never had a great QB but they had some great teams. They did it by playing as a team. I will never stick my neck out and say Quinn is the better QB. He looks very bad at the training camp he keeps throwing way behind the receivers Anderson is not looking to much better But Ratliff is kiiling both of them at training camp this week he( about 3 hours ago) hit cribs with a perfect pass 45 yards for a TD He is very raw but he may end up as your back-up.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dohior, wat happened to Ratliff as the starter?
by kjc on Aug 18, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can still happen Quinn and Anderson are looking bad again today Ratliff has been killing both of them this week about 3 hours ago he hit cribs with a perfect pass 45 yards for a TD he is very raw but Mangini is going to put the guy that performs the best as starter.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson
Anderson is stepping up now but Quinn is throwing picks
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read differently on the OBR, that Quinn made some nice passes. Are you cherry picking?
by Roger Dorn on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
practice can only mean so much. there is way more to a starting QB than how he practices. Quinn has the leadership you want in a Quarterback and the respect in the huddle you want in a Quarterback. Against the Lions Quinn will outperform Anderson again and Ratliff will still be #3.
by kjc on Aug 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know what Mangini is looking for? If you are so sure that Quinn is the starting QB, then what is Mangini waiting for. I can go down the list of all the QB’s that had all the tools to be great, that didn’t cut in the NFL. So how ever you are remember always, keep a open mind when there is a new coach.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because mangini has stated key key characteristics many times in public for what he looks for in a player.
by kjc on Aug 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To score TD,s or field goals in the preseason with less mistakes thats who will start. Who ever out performs. Like said you can have all the tools, and never be a starter. Thats up to the coach.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He make a nice pick that was ran back for a score.
by dohior on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Dohoir just annoys me. The difference between moon and dohior is that dohoir acts like he knows stuff
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 18, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just stop with the Ratliff talk. Everyone.
by skipkirk on Aug 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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