Browns Training Camp Report: Day 2 - Shaun Rogers Sits Out
by Chris Pokorny on Aug 2, 2009 8:55 PM EDT
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PrintThe Cleveland Browns hit the field for an afternoon practice in Berea today, and one thing stood out -- the massive Shaun Rogers was riding the stationary bicycle instead of being on the field.
TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 2 (8/2/09)
- Big Baby Sits: Star defensive tackle Shaun Rogers did not practice Sunday afternoon. It is believed that he hurt himself during Saturday's evening session, but it isn't believed to be anything too serious. The team did not comment on his status.
- Cornerback Swap: Rookie defensive back Coye Francies only missed one day of training camp, as he suited up and was in action today. Our other rookie draft pick at the cornerback position, Don Carey, did not practice after hurting his shoulder in Saturday's evening session.
- Getting Into Shape: The laps are starting to accumulate. These plays were amidst the series that led to the entire offense running a lap: Alex Mack miscues the snap count, allowing a free defender through the line; Isaac Sowells and Kurt Quarterman jumped offsides; Hank Fraley snapped the ball into the ground. The players themselves seemed to agree that they deserved to run.
- Edge to Anderson, Again: For the second straight day, the quarterback competition reportedly belonged to Derek Anderson. I'll recap Anderson first, and then Quinn. In 7-on-7 drills, Anderson had four plays and three touchdowns in three of them -- one each to RB James Davis, TE Robert Royal, and TE Aaron Walker. To end practice, both quarterbacks ran the two-minute drill. Anderson led the offense down the field against the second-string defense, and with 20 seconds remaining, he fired a 20-yard touchdown to Joshua Cribbs.
- The Day for Quinn: The two-minute drill didn't go as well for Brady Quinn, who faced the first-team defense. On a 4th-and-15 play, Quinn had Lance Leggett open but threw behind him to end the drive. Quinn isn't necessarily doing bad in camp, as both quarterbacks reportedly have a good grip of the offense. Anderson is just having the same solid camp he usually does -- whether that translates to gameday or not is the problem.
- New Reps On the Line: The rotation on the offensive line continues, with Ryan Tucker and George Foster playing with the first team. Both players started slowly, but by the end of practice, Tucker was running his drills effectively. Foster, on the other hand, appeared to struggle.
- Bubble Watch: Featured in today's bubble watch is OL Isaac Sowells, and the news isn't good. The OBR reports that he has had a difficult time gaining leverage against defensive linemen and linebackers thus far.
- McDonald Shines: In a span of six passes, Brady Quinn threw the ball to Lance Leggett four times. Leggett was unable to come away with any of the balls, as Brandon McDonald had two nice breakups.
- Pass Interference: The defensive backs were getting flagged for a few pass interferences, including Roderick Hood twice and Eric Wright at least once.
- Hello, Mr. Norwood: I was disappointed to not hear anything about Jordan Norwood yesterday, but the OBR delivered today:
"...undrafted free agent Jordan Norwood continues to make plays and be noticed. Running solid route after solid route, Norwood is not making plays solely against the bottom-of-the-depth chart type players. This rookie has made a number of acrobatic grabs, as well as the ordinary type in his productive practices to date."
- Buddy Ryan: Rob Ryan's father, Buddy Ryan, attended camp today.
- Ali Taken Out: Fullback Charles Ali was escorted off the field after big collisions with Beau Bell and D'Qwell Jackson, reports WTAM.
- Praise for James Davis: The OBR has praised the play of rookie RB James Davis over the past two days: "The Browns offense looks to be a one-cut-and-go type rushing attack, which fits perfectly into the natural ability of the Clemson product." I have to admit, while I never mind hearing positive news about one of our players, I wish I was hearing this about Jerome Harrison.
The Browns will have two practices on Monday -- one in the morning and one in the evening.
Saturday's Evening Link Collection / Camp Sources
- Lane's View: Day 2 (Orange and Brown Report, Adkins)
- Sunday Aug. 2 (Akron Beacon Journal, Ridenour)
- Day 2 of training camp (WTAM, Knott)
- Mangini Has Two, Will Keep Two (Taylor)
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Can anyone who has actually seen camp verify if “one-cut-and-go” means “zone blocking” when speaking of our running game?
Also, does anyone know if I can watch our preseason games if I am out of market?
It’s what Denver used to be famous for: the whole Oline moves left or right after the snap, blocking whoever is in front of them. The line essentially tries to spread out the DL. They will double-team some DL at first, and then one of the double-teamers will move up to block a LB.
There isn’t one hole that the RB is supposed to go through, so he waits for the OL to spread the defense out (the RB is running pretty horizontally, too). The RB then makes a decision as to where he will run, makes “one cut” to get to that hole, and then sprints in a straight line through it.
I can break it down further/clearer if people are interested in that sort of thing. Any of the “stretch” plays in Madden are probably zone-blocked, although the AI does a terrible job at it.
I highly doubt that most of our running plays will be zone-blocked. The linemen you typically have to ZB are very light, and Mangini seems to like them very large.
highly doubt that most of our running plays will be zone-blocked. The linemen you typically have to ZB are very light, and Mangini seems to like them very large.
Yeah, I doubt we are going to run the Denver scheme seeing as Mangini seems to be from the Parcells school of bigger is better. If he were going to install a zone scheme I doubt Mangini would be as down on Steinbach as people say he is. Steinbach would fit perfectly into a zone blocking scheme.
I do believe we will have a few zone runs in the playbook, though. That’s why I am curious if we were practicing them. Daboll seems to want to be able to do any and everything if it will give us a chance to win, and I can’t see this not including zone blocking.
It would be awesome if anyone who was there could provide some information.
speaking of Steinbach I heard he is up to 300 lbs, and he doesnt look to have much fat or be any slower
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The only preseason games being shown live (that I know of) out of market on on NFL network, and don’t include any Browns games.
However, you can get the schedules for all of the games including the delayed broadcasts here: "NFLN Preseason": http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d81150c2c&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Another note that I didn’t include above, but seem to be hearing — Alex Hall looks good at OLB. He and Wimbley have been playing both OLB positions. Robaire Smith seems to be doing good as well.
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I thought Robaire was getting limited playing time
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How desperate would any team have to be, offering a live player or high pick for Anderson no matter how good a pre season? His performance in 08 would have to be seen as an aberration. This whole ruse about an open competition for QB better be a ruse. And yet, it’s a dumb one.
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I am wondering what will happen if Anderson slightly outplays Quinn in the preseason. It could lead to an interesting choice. All things equal, Quinn will win the job, but not so sure if Anderson looks a little better in camp
Perhaps Manigini has gained access to tapes of last year’s games? If he disregards all that and starts DA, I won’t stop laughing. Remember, this is the guy who sent Pennington packing.
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I was under the impression that it was the Jets’ FO that sent Pennington packing because they wanted Favre.
Anyways, I was wondering the same thing just minutes before I read Roger’s post. Even if Anderson masters the short passes so that he doesn’t have to heave it long every time, that first home game will generate some ugly fan reaction.
If DAnderson and Quinn are close to being even, Quinn will be the starter. The only way DAnderson gets to start is if he blows Mangini away(which I doubt will happen)
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I still stand by my argument that Pennington is not that great and played at his ceiling last year (which includes not winning playoff games)
and that is why he will not be resigned after this year
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not conceding that point, but how great did he need to be to surpass Klemens and Favre?
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Favre was great before he hurt his shoulder/biceps. He had the Jets in the thick of the playoffs while throwing to a rookie TE who was probably his most talented receiver, an old L. Coles, and not much else. They beat the then undefeated Titans.
Pennington was a better QB than the injured Favre that you remember from the end of last year who was throwing INTs because he didn’t have anything near the arm strength that he was used to.
Pennington still was terrible in the playoffs, exactly as I predicted.
Clemens, however, is terrible. I’ll give you that.
Pennington carries a career passer rating of 90, Favre an 85 and Clemens a 59. What am I missing here?
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That you could use the same argument as to why Mangini should have signed Joe Montana in March of 2008.
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Pennington is 7 yrs younger than Favre with a higher career rating. How is he odd man out in a 3 man contest?
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Also, Bill Parcells heard that Pennington was released and, in the same motion, picked up the phone and order him to Miami. Then, Pennington took a team that, just 5 minutes before, was considered a laughing stock and took it to the playoffs. Proving, once again, that Parcells is one of only a handfull of people who actually knows what he is doing with regards to pro football.
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I thought I heard that Rogers might have been sitting out because he walked his lap a
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
Chris, you’re favorite player just might make the roster…
It sounds like he and Beau Bell are both doing very well in camp so far.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
Any news on how Jamal, Steinbach, C-Will, Mogwai Massacre, or Pool are doing?
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 3, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Take A Hike
Looks like Magini isn’t going to pussy foot around with these guys, after a botched hand off attempt he made the ENTIRE offense including players that were not in on the drill jog a lap around the field…I love it it shows that this guy isn’t going to take any excuses for bad play….keep it up Coalch
Whoever Built That Bike
That Rogers is riding builds a helluva bike. That’s American Engineering (I hope)
by realmccoy on Aug 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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