Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 24 - Pool Absent, Foster Waived

by Chris Pokorny on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 AM EDT in 2009 Training Camp Comment 85 comments

It doesn't really feel like training camp anymore, but a few sessions still remain. The team hit the field Monday for one of their final three public sessions; after that, everything will be closed off and geared especially towards preparing for the regular season. Rapid Reports indicates that only about 300 fans attended practice on Monday.

TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 24 (8/24/09)

Pool's Injury: If you recall, S Brodney Pool left Saturday's exhibition game after getting dinged. Let's hope it wasn't a concussion, but it wasn't a good sign that he was no where to be found on the practice field Monday. The team did not offer any comment on his absence either. Veteran S Mike Adams took Pool's place on Monday. Safety Hamza Abdullah has a broken finger and sat out of practice too, so the roster odds of S Bret Lockett just shot up.
Getting Some Depth Soon: It was good news to hear that OL Rex Hadnot was out on the field again. He wasn't practicing, but him being on the stationary bike is an encouraging sign that he's on schedule to return from his MCL injury within the first few weeks of the season.
Goodbye Foster: The Browns waived offensive tackle George Foster after he had a disappointing camp. It was clearly evident why the former high draft pick could not stick around with other teams. This past Saturday, he completely failed to block a rusher that caused Brett Ratliff to get drilled and fumble the football.
Purcell Gone Too: After suffering an injury, DL Melila Purcell was waived/injured. If he clears waivers, he'll revert to the injured reserve. The team also released TE John Madsen, who rarely appeared in training camp reports.
Roster Replacements: With three people gone, three people were signed, presumably only to be waived in a few weeks too. They are OT Corey Hilliard, TE Nate Jackson, and S Tra Battle.
Massaquoi's Role: He got early reps in Saturday's preseason game, and rookie Mohamed Massaquoi was lined up opposite Braylon Edwards as the No. 2 receiver Monday. The race continues between him and Joshua Cribbs, with Mike Furrey likely seeing consistent action at No. 2 and No. 3.
QB Edge to Anderson: For Monday's session, Brady Quinn had some struggles while Derek Anderson was fine. On Quinn's first attempt in a game simulation, he was intercepted by S Mike Adams on a pass intended for TE Robert Royal. Later on, he had a pass batted away from DB Rod Hood. Anderson, on the other hand, was able to roll out and fire a touchdown pass to Mohamed Massaquoi. Later on, on perhaps the play of the day, he completed a 50-yard pass to Brian Robiskie. Robiskie laid out on the play to make the reception.
Bubble Watch: As Jerome Harrison continues to sit out with injuries, RB Noah Herron is doing well, seeing some action near the goal line in drills.

Monday's Links/Camp Sources

Pool absent, Hadnot spotted (Akron Beacon Journal, Ridenour)
QB leader in the clubhouse? None yet. (Cleveland Plain Dealer, Cabot)

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Yikes, sounds like more Mike Adams is what we can all look forward too.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 25, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hilliard was last seen getting Peyton Manning sacked twice in 6 plays in the Colts preseason opener

I wouldn’t expect him to be around long.

It's shocking what you can miss sometimes. The amazing color changing card trick.

by shake n bake on Aug 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thanks for the heads up

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 25, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’ll get you cut real quick.

by rufio on Aug 25, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why isn’t Robiskie in the battle for No. 2 receiver?

by dgcambridge on Aug 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

-Cribbs is a verteran and an already known explosive player.
-Massaquoi just got the edge in training camp.

It doesn’t mean he won’t play, just won’t get many reps in games.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d bet that he was originally. Furey, Cribbs, and Massaquoi have all jumped him this camp though.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He just hasn’t played his way up. I get the feeling that all the rookies have to earn what they get under Mangini, and Robiskie has yet to explode in a preseason game, and hasn’t consistently made noise at practice.

Plus, Cribbs has done really well at WR so far this year.

Hopefully Robo is in some packages once real games start.

by rufio on Aug 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still wish that we took Everette Brown

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pool’s Injury

F***.

QB Edge to Anderson

Double F***.

by danvail on Aug 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed…

Also, has Shaun Rogers been back on the field? I heard speculation on the radio that he may still be in Mangini’s doghouse, or seriously injured, or even on the trading block!

I don’t really believe it, but I am starting to wonder what’s going on.

by Legoman0721 on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Pluto wrote that Rogers is being held out to preserve him for the regular season. The coaches believe he has nothing to prove to them in the preseason, and they are giving him the star treatment. Don’t read into it more than that.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 25, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s good to hear. I don’t remember where I read this, but someone was comparing the amount Kris Jenkins played last season compared to Rogers. It was something like 50% for Jenkins to 70% for Rogers. It makes a lot of sense for Mangini to stick with what’s worked for him before.

by Legoman0721 on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I think that’s more of what it is, and I certainly hope that is the case.

You know what you have in Rogers Why waste a chance to get to look at other players and simultaneously risk injury to Rogers?

I think we’ll see him back on the field soon, so he can prep for the season.

by rufio on Aug 25, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel pretty safe about this.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't let Derek Anderson

fart all over what could otherwise be a perfectly mediocre season.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 25, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s not like Brady has come out and unequivocally won this job. At least DA has some modicum of success in the NFL.

by fwembt on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And at least our Qbs don’t have Uno – brows.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wouldn't you take a uni-brow QB

who can win playoff games?

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn’t you? Flacco didn’t win your playoff games, your defense did. 9 of 23 for 135 yards and 11 of 22 for 161 yards?

Be real, you guys won in the same way you’ve always won.

by rufio on Aug 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll take it anyway i can get it

bottom line is W’s and L’s and Flacco has more of the former than the latter. let me know when that changes and I’ll change my mind about Flacco.

Look, Drew Brees he isn’t, but if you didn’t think he looked promising as a rookie then you weren’t watching when he beat you guys in your own stadium last year.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 26, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let’s not skew what happened in that game. He made an easy pass to Mason who broke a tackle and went all the way for a TD. I thought he did a nice job of managing games, but it wasn’t on the arm of Flacco that the Ravens pulled out the 17 point comeback.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s one big straw man you got there.

I never said Flacco wasn’t promising. He was.

I never said anything about our games against Flacco.

I never said you guys couldn’t win with Flacco or didn’t win with Flacco or can’t win with Flacco.

I never said that having a good/great QB is more important than winning.

I simply said that he hasn’t willed the Ravens to a playoff victory (done the work of winning a game). The Ravens can win playoff games with Flacco at QB, but Flacco can’t win playoff games by himself. He’s done a lot more “not losing” than he has done “winning”.

by rufio on Aug 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

on the "not losing" thing

sure, that’s fair, but I’m satisfied with that at this point. Soon enough we’ll want to see him take that step towards “winning” rather than “not losing” games that the rest of the team can help him win. But for the game against you guys, Flacco absolutely had a lot to do with that win. he had 248 yards passing and—in response to Roger Dorn—I absolutely think he is the reason we made that comeback. Put Kyle Boller in that same situation and it’s a wrap—Browns win.

So I’m not saying that he “won” those two playoff games for us, but having a QB rating over 100 against Miami certainly helps “not lose,” and I think there were situations in both of those games that he handled very well and he had a lot to do with us “not losing.” Like I said, he isn’t Drew Brees, but how could we not be happy with this guy?

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never said you can’t be happy with him or hopefully about building an offense in Baltimore than can be just as good as your D has been.

I’m just saying, don’t act like he is already there. His QB rating doesn’t mean anything if he doesn’t throw a lot of passes: how easy would it be to just throw one short pass, have someone take it 15 yards, and never throw again? Super easy, right? I’m not saying that’s what Flacco did, I’m just saying that in order to really have “won” a game he would have had to have thrown a lot more than he did.

He has done a phenomenal job of “not losing” so far, and if your D keeps playing that well, that’s all you will need a QB to do. Just don’t act like he’s been there already.

by rufio on Aug 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, if Quinn doesn’t win this job this year, then I doubt he was good enough to really make a major difference to the Browns.

That being said I hope he wins the job because we already know what kind of QB DA is.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know, DA couldn’t beat Charlie Frye in 07, and then he went on to make a pretty big difference. At least both QBs have looked pretty good with the 1st teams in the preseason games.

by rufio on Aug 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point of view is that Quinn has had three years to take this job. If he can’t win the job after three years, what’s the chance that he is a really good player?

I cannot remember a first round pick that wasn’t a starter (two games aside) for three years and then exploded. There could be an example, but I can’t think of one.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in fairness, THIS is the third year

I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant if he didn’t win the job this year. Re-reading my comment I didn’t do a very good job of explaining that.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 27, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don’t think it’s fair to evaluate him until he has played in real games. Even if he is beat out by Anderson, we still can’t call him a failure until we have watched him play actual games.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But if we never get that chance because he keeps getting beat out by Charlie Fryes and Derek Andersons, we’ll just have to assume that he is a bust. And if he doesn’t start week 1 this year, I think that will be my opinion of him.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 27, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only thing i would say for that

is that plenty of QBs who turned out to be good didn’t beat out guys for their jobs. They just kindof got put in there, due to an injury or something else. Tom Brady didn’t win his starting job, he just wound up in a game and it turned out he knew how to win a few.

I’m not comparing Brady Quinn to Tom brady, but I think you have to see him on regular season sundays before you can call him a bust.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s the thing. Brady Quinn was a first round pick and a four year starter at a big time college (in a very pro system for the last 2 years). One of his biggest assets coming into the league was his maturity and readiness. That is now all but gone as a real advantage.

Sure, guys come out of nowhere their 3rd or 4th year in the league, but Quinn doesn’t fall into the category of Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Matt Cassel, etc.. Quinn is the first round type: Manning bros, Matt Ryan, McNabb, Kosar, and on the other end- Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf.

The boom/bust factor for these 1st round QB types is really high. I was hopeful that Quinn was more Peyton Manning than Tim Couch. Now I’m not sure.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you'll never know until you try

and with DA you already know that you’ll never know what you’re going to get… if that makes any sense. Quinn, I think, has to be worth a shot. Lets be honest guys, no disrespect, but you’re not making a superbowl run this year. You should try to develop him with real game experience and take the lumps along the way.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed dude

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 27, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think what round you get drafted in should be the differentiator for how you get the job. The point remains that a lot of successful QB’s fell into the starting job instead of winning it in training camp.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Quinn has been unspectacular and it doesn’t help that he hasn’t run away with the job, but the Anderson experiment has to end. The Quinn experiment needs to begin, simply so you can know what you have at QB.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mangini has no vested interest in either, so I am assuming that he will make a call based on who gives the Browns the best chance to win. The fact that he has not come out and said that Quinn will start makes me wonder what he must see on a day to day basis.

by fwembt on Aug 26, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The concern is that Anderson is putting on his good-Derek mask that one him a ProBowl appearance based on his first half play, and that it’s good-Derek that’s possibly edging out Quinn. The problem will come when bad-Derek shows up and starts throwing bulls-eyes to zoned linebackers. The admittedly relatively small sample size of starting Derek Anderson is, on average, a highly mediocre QB. The peaks and valleys are killer. We want to see if Quinn can do better and provide a more consistent presence.

by danvail on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

~~that one him~~

*won, yeesh

by danvail on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

derek = bledsoe

sick when he’s on, debilitating when he’s not.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

derek isnt as good as drew

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 26, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anderson’s career rating is 75.1, Bledsoe’s is 77.1. They aren’t that much different. Further, the first three years of Bledsoe’s career look an awful lot like the first three of Anderson’s.

by fwembt on Aug 27, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and the similarities continue

both are cannon-arm dudes who can’t move very well and have questionable accuracy. Bledsoe might win some leadership points that DA doesn’t, but they’re very similar QBs.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree. No one here denies that an Anderson that is playing well is actually a very bad QB. I think everyone here would agree he is highly inconsistent and can singlehandedly lose games.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*meant an Anderson playing well is a very good QB

by Roger Dorn on Aug 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah he is

he’s hurt the ravens real bad before. The Ravens have also made him look awful at times. Or… he made himself look awful? I don’t know. Sometimes I don’t even know who Derek Anderson is. But I know this: you won’t get 16 games of good Derek if you start him. Get started on Quinn and you’ll be rewarded eventually.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get started on Quinn and you’ll be rewarded eventually.

There is literally no way of knowing this right now. Quinn has not done anything to earn/win this job or he would have it. He may win it eventually and, if he does, I’ll cheer for him and hope he tears up the NFL. If he doesn’t, I’ll do the same for Derek. The fact of the matter is that only one of them has a track record in this league that suggests success. Saying that Quinn is a sure thing is nothing more than wishful thinking.

by fwembt on Aug 27, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, obviously you can't KNOW for sure

but i think the DA experiment needs to end and the Quinn experiment needs to begin. The longer you wait the longer you’ll go on not knowing like this.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would actually be one that says DA, even at his best, was terribly average. But I know I might be in the small minority in that position. 2007 was a fluke. Everything went right. The line, K2, Braylon, Jurevicoius all played out of their mind and he still threw too many picks, had too low a completion % and choked miserably in big games down the stretch.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 27, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but you can’t give him the blame when he is playing poorly and then give others the credit when he plays well.

I agree that even in 2007, DA could have played better, but you have to give him as much credit for 07 as you give him blame for 08.

by rufio on Aug 28, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can agree with that. I really like Anderson, if he were able to avoid the absolutely inexplicably stupid plays he seems prone to making, he’d be very, very good. I honestly don’t know what his deal is sometimes.

by fwembt on Aug 27, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do y'all notice

that in Joshua Cribbs’ official NFL profile photo, his face is like all huge and zoomed-in?

INCREDIBLE.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 25, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Getting pretty annoyed with the secrecy regarding injuries. I know some don’t mind, but man, it’s really getting on my nerves.

by skipkirk on Aug 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why?

by fwembt on Aug 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s a little annoying yes but not disclosing an injury keeps opposing teams on their heels. If you know a star player is hurt, you can expose the weakness but if you have no clue you have to practice for that team as if that player wasn’t hurt because you don’t know if he’ll play or not. That’s my thoughts on it anyway.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea why anyone would be the least bit annoyed by this. Care to explain why you think you’re entitled to this information? (Disregarding the selfish aspect that disclosure gives your “favorite team” a competitive disadvantage.)

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Aug 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only times I care to hear about injuries are when I am playing fantasy football or gambling.

by Bernie19Kosar on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is a big chunk of why football is so popular. I think they need better disclosure rules.

One thing I would love is a MLB style DL. Allow a team to put a guy on a 3-week-DL for an injury. That way, you wouldn’t have to shut a guy down for the year by putting them on IR, and it would force teams to be a little more up front about significant injuries.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I’m influenced by following soccer more feverishly. Even a small niggle and the manager says something.

I’ve never looked at the competitive disadvantage POV. Sorry fellas.

by skipkirk on Aug 26, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh and rugby as well. I guess the way it works in sports is either all the teams talk about the injuries, or none of them at all.

I’ve never realised this aspect.

by skipkirk on Aug 26, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I follow soccer pretty closely as well and there really is a massive difference in the way most injuries are handled. John Terry’s back is really the only exception that comes to mind.

by fwembt on Aug 26, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they're all staph

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea sure, idiot. Go cheer for the Ravens

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 26, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks, idiot

I think I will, idiot. Come back to the beatdown sometime, idiot.

See how fast conversations deteriorate when you call people idiots? The rest of the people on this comments section were able to have a reasonable discussion with my, why couldn’t you?

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“they’re all staph” was a very constructive comment.

by Ryan Kelsey on Aug 27, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was obviously a joke

and not a personal attack on anybody here.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that the staph infections are now jokes and you’re a Ravens fan it was an attack to the site in general really.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn man

you guys don’t need to be so sensitive.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand what you’re thinking. “Sheesh, all I did was make one little joke.”

Now, think of it this way. How many times do you think we’ve had people make the staph joke towards us, or the lack of championships joke, etc? It seems like it’s been done millions of times, which obviously frustrates us when different people keep on doing it.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Aug 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

understood

for the record, you guys are fine by me. i’m just trying to kill some time and talk some football.

On a more serious note though, you guys have to be worried about that staph stuff, aren’t you? I’m not talking trash I’m being serious here. I’d be FREAKED OUT about that if I were on the team and I had to use those medical facilities…

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem seems a few years removed at this point, and I think there is a misunderstanding to how widespread the issue is. It has affected more teams than the Browns, just the Browns have had the most noteable players affected by the problem.

by Roger Dorn on Aug 27, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As Dorn says, the problem is actually pretty widespread, and not only for athletes. It’s a serious problem in hospitals everywhere. The Browns medical facilities are coordinated by the Cleveland Clinic, which is recognized pretty universally as one of the leading medical facilities anywhere – very much on the same level as Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic, so the recurrence of staph made it even more frustrating. I have always suspected that the Browns’ incidence of staph was a statistical anomaly. It could have simply been a bump in the data; some of it could have been acquired outside the Browns facilities; some could have been lack of proper follow-up. Or, the other possibility is a gap in the Browns sterilization procedures, which is also possible. It just doesn’t seem very likely, considering the lengths to which they went to treat the facilities.

by drjeo on Aug 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll say this

I DO think that this secrecy has to do with staph. Not that every secret injury is a staph infection, because it isn’t, but because they want to set the precedent of secrecy so that conspiracy theories don’t start about one secret injury. If you tell everyone what the injuries are and then keep one secret, people will be asking “is it Staph? Is it herpes? Is it AIDS? Why is this secret?” But if you keep it all a secret, you just have less to deal with in the media.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

with mangini it has literally nothing to do with staph, and everything to do with his entire veil of secrecy theory for running a football team. from who the starter is, to what the injuries are, he’s never disclosed any more than the absolute minimum. this has nothing to do with staph.

I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx

by DontCallMeJoey on Aug 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mangini never discloses info he doesn’t have to.

by rufio on Aug 28, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK. Its just that any time we have an injury a ravens fan(usually malor) will come to the site and say that its a staff infection.

And I dont like going back to the Beatdown because anytime I make a comment all I hear is " Brady Quinn is gay" or “Browns suck. You all wont win 2 games this year.”

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

these are the woes of rooting for a bad team

not that you should abandon your team, but you’re preaching to the choir man. How do you think it feels for me to talk baseball with Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays fans? All they say is “man you guys still suck. 13 years and still sucking…”

we, like your browns, are trying to rebuild, but it wasn’t meant to be this year and it probably won’t be next year either. (at least in the NFL it’s easier to make one-year turnarounds.)

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--George Orwell

by jackmca on Aug 28, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im a Yankess fan. Anyway, if you dont like being made fun of, why do you do it to others

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m a Browns fan too and I don’t think that comment warranted insults being thrown around. It was a bad joke, but like he said, it wasn’t some sort of personal attack, or even against current Browns management. Let it go

by Legoman0721 on Aug 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Why did we sign that TE. He is 30 years old and only 235 lbs.

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Because we can, because we can.

by SpecialBrownie on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rag me all you guys want, but DA should be the starter. But I’m not opposed to Brady starting either. We all saw what DA can do with some help (‘07). If the team were to step up and back the QB, it’ll be a good season, who ever starts.

by Brownie's Year on Aug 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs