Minnesota Vikings vs. Cleveland Browns - Official Game Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:17 AM EDT
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Are you ready for some Cleveland Browns football? I can only hope that this year's opener is better than last year's, a game in which we tanked against the Dallas Cowboys. Nationally, the expectations are much lower for the Browns this season. New head coach Eric Mangini will have his first opportunity to silence his critics and prove he's put together a football team that is tougher and more focused than previous years.
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| Date: | September 13, 2009 | Location: | Cleveland, OH |
| Time: | 1:00 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | Cleveland Browns Stadium |
| TV: | FOX |
Favorite: | Vikings by 3½ |
| Radio: | WTAM, 1100 AM | Over/Under: | 40 |
| SBN Coverage: | Daily Norseman | Announcers |
Thom Brennaman, Brian Billick |
Mangini will have his hands full against the running game and run defense of the Minnesota Vikings. Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the NFL, and the Vikings' duo of Pat Williams and Kevin Williams is darn near impossible.
Originally, not many people outside of Cleveland and Minnesota were expected to see this game on television. But then, midway through training camp, Brett Favre made headlines again by coming out of retirement to play for Brad Childress. Ironically enough, Favre's first game comes against the coach, but not the team, he played for last year. Now, will his lack of chemistry allow him to fit in with the Vikings offense right away?
For those who didn't see it, I reciprocated a Q&A session with our Minnesota Vikings blog. My answers to his questions can be found here, acting as another form of a preview to the game.
Let's start off this week's preview with the overall team statistics from the 2008-2009 NFL season...
OFFENSE
| Category | Vikings | Browns |
| Points Scored | 23.7 (12th) | 14.5 (30th) |
| Passing | 184.8 (25th) | 148.8 (31st) |
| Rushing | 145.8 (5th) | 100.3 (26th) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 330.5 (17th) | 249.1 (31st) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Vikings | Browns |
| Points Scored | 20.8 (13th) | 21.9 (16th) |
| Passing | 215.6 (18th) | 204.6 (14th) |
| Rushing | 76.9 (1st) | 151.9 (28th) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 292.4 (6th) | 356.5 (26th) |
| MINNESOTA VIKINGS |
Position | CLEVELAND BROWNS | ||
| Brett Favre has the experience, but how much of a grasp of the offense does he have? |
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QB | |
Brady Quinn, while still unproven, showed regular season mojo twice last season. |
| Adrian Peterson. Chester Taylor also remains an impressive backup. |
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RB | Jamal Lewis will have a tough time against the best run defense in football. Can the team incorporate the backs in the passing game? |
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| Bernard Berrian, even if he can play, won't be 100%. Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin are unproven, meaning TE Visanthe Shiancoe is their No. 1 threat. |
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It's not a huge advantage for the Browns, but Braylon Edwards still creates match up problems. Mike Furrey is more experienced than the Vikings receivers. | |
| Let's point out RT Phil Loadholt, a second round pick who will start. I can't comment on his talent, but it'd if there's a spot to attack, it's there. |
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OL | The left side of the line is strong, but the right side is questionable. Nobody else in the league was dying to have Floyd Womack or John St. Clair start for them. |
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| Pat Williams, Kevin William, and Jaren Allen. I've mentioned the trio so much you're probably getting sick of it. Here's a new tidbit: they do have another starting DE. His name is Ray Edwards. |
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DL | Shaun Rogers should start. It's great to have Robaire Smith back, and Kenyon Coleman is more suited for the 3-4 than Corey Williams was. There hands will be full against Minnesota's offensive line. |
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| E.J. Henderson and Chad Greenway make up a good, young linebacker core for the Vikings who have a lot of freedom due to the wall in front of them. |
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LB | I'd be scared if we had Andra Davis having to bring down Adrian Peterson. Hopefully Eric Barton proves he's an upgrade, along with David Bowens instead of Willie McGinest. | |
| Antoine Winfield is coming off of a great season. Like the Browns, their depth at safety remains a bit questionable. |
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DB | |
I love what our starting cornerbacks can do, but I want to see who plays the nickel back. If Berrian plays, it should be as big of an issue. Favre likes to take chances deep; will Abram Elam get burned? |
| Ryan Longwell is solid in field goal kicking, but their return game lacks any real spark. |
ST | |
Could a big day be in store for Joshua Cribbs? If Chris Kluwe keeps outkicking his coverage, then I'd certainly say so. |
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I don't think it's going to be a pretty first game for Brett Favre. Our defensive backs have a knack for intercepting passes, and based on the receivers I've seen our secondary face in the past, none of the Viking receivers should present a match-up problem. The bread and butter of the Vikings remains their running game though, and Adrian Peterson shouldn't have too many problems setting up Minnesota's offense for a couple of scores.
The gameplan should be the opposite for the Browns. None of our running backs should have an effective game on the ground, but they'll be important in the passing game. I give our passing game a lot more respect than Vikings fans do. Jared Allen is a fantastic pass rusher, but if our new offensive coordinator (Brian Daboll) hasn't designed our gameplan with his abilities in mind, I'll be very discouraged for how the rest of the season will go. The biggest issue for the Vikings could be our X-factor: Joshua Cribbs. If the Browns' defense can hold a few of Peterson's dominant drives to a short field goal, Cribbs is the type of player who can give the Browns a short field to work with on every possession. Even if we have to punt, that benefits the Browns in the field position game until hopefully something right goes our way. Regretfully, since the Vikings are the much better team defensively, I took the Vikings to win 24-17.
FINAL PREDICTION: Minnesota Vikings 24, Cleveland Browns 17. BOOOOOO!!!
This is the official gameday thread for the Cleveland Browns in Week 1 as they do battle with the Minnesota Vikings. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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James Davis was in a one car accident Saturday while driving to the team facility in Berea.
He was hospitalized for a while, and released with a head injury.
Eric Wright is also listed as questionable and was limited in practice on Friday.
…and I see that this has already been reported.
Anyway, I think both injuries could be bad for us. I would like someone to be able to spell Lewis, and all 3 of the other RBs are on the injured list.
Does anyone know if Mangini has used the injury list like Belichick does? You know, with Tom Brady having been listed every week for the past 85 years and all? That would make me feel a lot better about so many guys being listed as questionable.
as a cowboys fan,,,,
just to let you know were i stand…..but….i dont see any reason why you guys should hang your heads ,i see if you guys stuff the run (hes only one man) and send everyone else at farvre i could see you guys pounding them……your team seems to be very high energy, also you already made the switch to the 3-4, along with rob ryan as d-CORD. dont be surpised if you guys throw a man sized ass whopping on farve and his purple pecker eaters…..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
I like the way you think!!!!!!!!
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QB & WR Comparisons
A quick note on the comparisons above-
1) I think you’re overevaluating the time Brett Favre requires to be acquainted with the offense- it is nearly identical to the one he ran in Green Bay. He is already intimately familiar with the system; where I think you’ll find trouble is with his chemistry with the receivers and his stamina.
2) While I agree that generally, the Viking’s WR’s are weaker than than Cleveland’s, don’t underestimate Percy Harvin. He is electric.
I am sure Chris would be willing to give Harvin more credit….once he has played in an actual NFL game or 2.
Indeed.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Harvin is fast, there is no doubting that.
But the “West Coast offense” (which never really looked like a “true” WCO under Favre) relies heavily on timing. Knowing exactly where your WR will be and where he wants the ball when you plant that back foot is important. Timing with the receivers is important.
I’m hoping Favre is used to high schoolers and not the likes of Berrian and Rice.
Starting early are we? I’m still away from Saturday’s unfortunate thriller.
I probably won’t get much sleep.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
I meant to have it auto-posted at 6 AM this morning, but instead I accidentally posted it at 1:17 AM (the time I finished composing it). Still early though, yes :)
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
“FINAL PREDICTION: Minnesota Vikings 24, Cleveland Browns 17. BOOOOOO!!!”
I’m thinking it will be vice versa.
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We’re going to win.
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by kwoog on Sep 13, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, at least we don’t get the ChrisPo jynx. Remember folks: whenever Chris predicts a win, we lose. So, I, for one, welcome your prediction.
Feels good to be decked out in Browns gear again. Naturally, NoVA is one of the only places in the country NOT getting this game, so I’ll be following online.
Go Browns.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
It’s official — Brady Quinn will start, per the team site.
Alex Mack will also start.
The inactives for the Browns today are: OG Rex Hadnot, RB Cedric Peerman, RB Jerome Harrison, LB Leon Williams, TE Martin Rucker and CB Marquis Floyd.
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Shaun Rogers will also start. We only have two running backs and two tight ends active.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d bet Davis is ok- otherwise they’d have Harrison and/or Peerman active.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are the Vikings inactives? Berrian?
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Berrian will play, according to Mort on ESPN. Not sure about other inactives.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
CB DeAngelo Smith and QB Brett Ratliff are the other two inactives.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Direct TV for giving me 1 free week of NFL Sunday Ticket, because Fox decided a Lions game is more important for this portion of Ohio.
I hate Direct TV for charging $300 regularly for NFL Sunday Ticket, because that’s damn expensive for 1 season.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
The Minnesota Vikings have declared CB Asher Allen, LB Erin Henderson, DL Fred Evans, WR Greg Lewis, SS Jamarca Sanford, WR Jaymar Johnson, OL Kory Lichtensteiger, QB Sage Rosenfels inactive for Week 1.
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anybody know a good internet stream site for this?
GO BROWNS!!!
by charliefryfanhaha on Sep 13, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
check the usual spots. justintv, etc, etc.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m getting butterflies in my stomach.
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Let’s see how many comments we can get today guys. Maybe we’ll break a new record for DBN.
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All right, Abram Elam catches the onside kick!
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Attempted by the Vikings of course.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wooo1 Footbaall!
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the game's actually on here in L.A. Thsi boggles my mind
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All right! Cribbs in the wildcard on just the third play. I hope that’s a sign of things to come this year.
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Cribbs for the first!
niiiiice
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Does anyone know a good online stream where I can watch this game? I’m in Cincy and it isn’t being shown
justin.tv won’t link directly to it, but just search for it.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
amen
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What a throw by Quinn on the run. That’s the difference between DA and Quinn, Viking fans.
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well this is going well so far
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dont underestimate The Secret World of Alex Mack
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
just sayin..rookie against arguably the best two tandem lineman in the nfl?
Thank you drive through...
We didn’t draft him to play against the scrubs.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't believe your team snapped him up, I think we wanted him...
who can blame us though, with our shit o-line
Thank you drive through...
Quinn could’ve taken off on that play.
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little too conservative
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
really? I rather enjoyed that game...
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying. I’m still hung-over from watching it. That means it’s too soon ;)
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the creative formations we used, although it’s tough to fool the Vikings’ d-line on a shuffle pass with nine yards to go.
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And Dawson is GOOD. Browns with the early lead. Time to see if anyone else around the league has scored yet.
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Not sure if I missed this before — but I’m loving NFL.com’s new game features. Fancy new graphics/options.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
Who is this Vikings QB?
I hear he’s French.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
Hey its that guy from There's Something About Mary
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NICE!
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hope to see that all day
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it’s on the TV (and very muted) – 3-0 Ravens.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
James Davis sighting
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C'mon Braylon
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where the celebration flag?
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rookie mistake,
hopefully he’ll learn
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Be an NFL team. We’re not a college football team. Throw the ball on 3rd and 14, 99% of the time.
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It’s a little too early to be whining about the play calling, isn’t it?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
word
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But the OC knows much more about the situation than you do.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Running on 3rd and 8 or 3rd and 14. You’re conceding a drive after two plays.
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I know that.
I just don’t like fans constantly second-guessing play-calling. It gets annoying. Coaches know a heck of a lot that we don’t about the team.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
NFL team never run on third and long? Never?? That’s a fact?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Early in the game, I don’t mind the give up call there.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. The chance of converting is small anyways, so don’t risk a turnover. I’m fine with that.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And by the by, New Orleans scores two touchdowns before the rest of the league can score one today.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
So, two 3rd and longs, two running plays. They don’t trust Quinn, or are they just trying to “survive” the first half?
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I think they are just trying to play conservatively.
I don’t like the amount of 2 TE sets we are running, I’d rather see Furrey or Massaquoi out there.
I expected a lot more 3WR myself
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well, shit.
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gotta watch those screen plays
Favre loves those
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STUFFED
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that was some nice pursuit and tackling
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alright
held them to 3. thats a victory
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Browns will hold them to just three, great stand by the defense. Love the improved tackling.
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Gee, its almost like he sat out training camp
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ian Eagle on Joe Flacco’s time to throw: “He could balance his checkbook back there.”
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First quarter will likely end after this kickoff.
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one ahs to imagine we'll throw more
we kept all those WRs on the roster for a reason
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Ravens TD – Flacco to McGahee, I believe. 10-0.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno
its stupid, But I kind of get offended by the “You’re not watching football in STANDARD DEF, are you????” bullshit.
Hey, not all of get paid 15 mill a year to throw a ball. HDTVs expensive.
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, HD TV’s are pretty cheap now. It’s hard to find TV’s that aren’t HD any more.
Anyways, it’s just a commercial.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. but I still can't afford one. and I dont appreciate the reminder
like I said, its stupid
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s meant to offend anyone. They’re just trying to sell something.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I know
this is purely my idiosyncrasy
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
wow.
that had to hurt
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FAIL.
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Damn, Kevin Williams with a shot. And the Vikings with a big return now :-(
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open field tackling failed us there
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we switch to artifical turf and I just forgot
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you're not gonna stop AP that close
time to answer, Offense
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time to roll out the WR3 set
I wanna see what our rookies got
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Perfect kickoff for the Vikings there.
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Lewis straight ahead
ballsy call there
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Lawrence Vickers with a little bang and boom.
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go Vickers go!!
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threw one to Braylon
missed high
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a completion. Brady threw to Edwards once that was behind him.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what I like to see:
motion out of the backfield, Vickers used in the passing game out of a big set.
Quinn is always checking down… it seems like he starts with the short ones, and then checks to the money passes
That’d have to be it…nothing else to challenge really.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The refs have to check with the NFL office to see if they can allow a good play against the the chosen Vikings
Huh? Why are the Vikings the “chosen” team?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They Vikings? Are you joking?
Oh, I see that you’re a Packers fan. So you just hate the Vikings.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he lost the ball after he went down. The TV guys didn’t even mention it.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh crap
thats a fumble
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yeah overcomplicated rule book
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YEAH! There you go Lewis. And then he doesn’t get up…yikes.
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uh oh
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That means James Davis is our only running back.
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We’ll have to rely on Vickers.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
dont be surprised to see it though. Also Vickers might be there
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll get to see what he's got
some fans were calling for this anyway
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Why didnt we let Peerman dress?
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 13, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
HEIDEN
Heiden = victory
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OK, they make it seem like Lewis is ok.
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Bellick just explained it pretty well, as I thought the same.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks fine to me
nice power run
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This is the best we’ve run the ball all game.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they've been solid so far
’cept for that hit on Quinn
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUCHDOWN
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HOLY CRAP! He picked it off the ground!
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ITS GOOD
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What a friggin catch
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He was forced out
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
This is a very interesting challenge. Edwards was not responsible for him going out of bounds — is there a special stipulation about that? It almost seemed bang bang that he got both feet back in too.
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I thought they changed the force out rule
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It should be on the 5, right? He clearly went out b/c he was interfered with, and the penalty happened first.
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Great point. If it’s not a TD, still a golden opportunity for us.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
c'mon he's clearly pushed out
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He was absolutely pushed/forced out of bounds.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, if he was forced out, he’s allowed to come back in, and then it’s a TD?
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thats the rule. I think
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
man Brady is ripped
look at the veins popping on that dude’s arm. no homo.
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KC blocks Baltimore punt for a TD. Wow.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
why is Steven Spielberg on the Viking's sideline
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man that was a great catch. Check that man for stickum
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BULLSHIT
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Why? The ball is placed where the penalty happened. I think the rule is entirely correct right there.
by Fundamentals on Sep 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The contact clearly caused him to go OB. He shouldn’t have to re-establish inboundsness because soneone else’s contact took him OB.
Bingo – that’s why the rule should be changed.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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that is weird…you would think given the context in which this rule comes in play, they’d make it a one-foot requirement, not two
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no rule in this case
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? What other rule in the NFL is only one foot? Why would this rule be different from everything else in the NFL?
by Fundamentals on Sep 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
always thought the NFL should go to the college rules
one foot in
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
because it advantages the defense to push the guy out of bounds if he’s beat and the ball is about to arrive
As opposed to pass interference when he could just has easily simply tackled the WR and have it placed at the point of penalty.
by Fundamentals on Sep 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…it’s not Baylon’s fault he was pushed out of bounds.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wheres a plastic beer bottle when you need it
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wow. just....wow
I’m about to rage out into a stroke
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I didn’t mind that call on second down but not on third down. Just give it to Jamal and let him run forwards. By losing yards we gave up any chance to go for it on fourth down.
This is the primary reason I don’t like the call. Well said.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully we get the ball back before the half with a chance to score again.
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ELAM
stuffed him like french toast
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Abram Elam again! A great game by him so far.
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He really has been looking great today, from the special teams play on.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the D is playing serious football
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I like how Quinn uses the cadence. The hard count is holding back their DL from getting a great jump off the ball.
doing his best Manning
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. Fail.
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He could play for Eric Wedge!
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by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why the 2nd down run was so stupid. The steelers don’t run on 2nd and 15 in a two minute drill. Ever.
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You like to say “never” a lot, don’t you. Rarely do things always or never happend.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it’s a bit of hyperbole. So obvious that it goes without saying.
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I understand that. I just don’t think you should use it so excessively.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to set up the punt, Qunny boy.
What was he thinking.
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Dude, you have to blame the playcalls on 1st and 2nd more than Quinn there. No one was open, he still almost got the 1st. One more block and he gets it.
He was thinking that nobody was open to throw to, I’m sure.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
well that drive fell apart quick
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The D is playing great
but they’re not gonna be able to maintain if the O keeps giving the ball back that fast
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YEAH!
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Brodney Pool comes unblocked with the blitz, sweet!
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Nice slight delay, but he should have shot for the knees.
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we're not the steelers
we dont do cheap shots
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Deadpool with the sack
suck that Fav-re
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Our defense has done better than anyone could’ve imagined this first half. The only reason we gave up the touchdown was because they had a really short field.
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Agreed. Peterson is going to have some big gains here and there. It’s limiting them, not allowing them to string plays together that wins us this game. We’re doing that. And getting some nice pressure/stuffs/sacks. Bravo to our D today.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Love that we didn’t rush 3 there.
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by kwoog on Sep 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We almost got another half, and a hit on favre. Kam wimbley using a power move to beat their LT is a good sign.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!! CRIBBS TO THE HOUSE!
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Yeah, baby! We don’t need no stinkin
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two-minute drill.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
CKA: "I’m challenging that the guy ran too fast."
by Flag Up on Sep 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he keeps his mouth shut and plays like he has been doing recently, he’ll get it.
I think the only reason he doesn’t have a new deal right now is that he talked to the media about it.
well he clearly wasnt getting anywhere and thought going to the press would get things moving
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I nominate Joshua Cribbs for President
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Coye Francies playing physical on special teams now.
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now THAT would be a scary image
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Kamerion Wimbley comes free! Man oh man, whose defense am I watching here? The Browns?
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are they dumb enough to punt to Cribbs again?
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well that didnt work
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c'mon lets do soemthing unexpected
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aufrank
Just caught up with the thread. I gotta say, this looks like a better coached team. Couple of questionable play calls (definitely didn’t love two wildcat sets in a row on the goal line), but you can’t deny they look like a better team out there. That said, special teams and D came a lot further than the O from what we’ve seen so far.
Davis gettin more work
he’s gonna break one of those screens
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yeah, I dont get it
was he praying? Did he switch to a golden helmet?
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s okay by Quinn, smart move against what is still a great defense.
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Agreed
Quinn is making smart moves today… which is a very good sign versus our past QB’s
I am loving Quinn’s intelligence and presence thus far!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well, all and all I'm pleased as punch
this D is very encouraging
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O-Line
Left side is holding up very well, but the right side sucks. We definitely need Hadnot back.
I really have very few complaints about that half of football. Perhaps a little on the conservative side, but hey. We’ve got the lead and the D is playing extremely well.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
fuck you, terry bradshaw
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Howie gave us some credit. Or, at least Cribbs some credit.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats Delhome for ya.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m excited to see us with the lead, but after the last few years I’m worried about half time adjustments.
by Legoman0721 on Sep 13, 2009 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rogers has one heckuva motor
Did you see that, hit Harvin 11 yds after Line of Scrimmage
We got lucky – I think Rice had both feet in bounds.
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That interference call looks totally bogus
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To elaborate – the wide receiver initiated the contact.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It might have been called not due to contact, but because he shielded the receivers eyes without looking at the ball.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
still kinda weak
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuffed!
I’m really liking the aggression in this D
nice tackle for Barton
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DAMMIT
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They are getting yards with that sweep play to the left. We need to come up with something to stop that.
we need to get penetration
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen to that. Let’s air it out a bit!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Kansas City has taken a third quarter lead over the Ravens.
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Long INT Return by the Chiefs. Their offense has done nothing. One special teams TD on a blocked punt and now the short field position on the INT. But go Chiefs.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d figure without their starting QB they wouldn’t be able to do a whole lot. Especially in the 1st year of a new regime.
Oh, I’m not saying I expected them to do a thing. Just that they’re winning by taking advantage of mistakes, not creating points. Which I guess is a way to beat the Ravens.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Lewis!
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still like to see us air it out a little
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not like THAT though
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you ain't kidding.
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are all those people who wanted to cut Lewis?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hah! With all those people who said we’d never run on the Vikes….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Int
Maybe that’s an awful throw, or that’s the second time he expected Braylon to be somewhere where he wasn’t…
Wondering about who was in the wrong there myself.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the second time you’ve said that. What does this mean that he’s a “Notre Dame QB”?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
besides, he's a Browns QB now.
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I heard that Montana guy was pretty good
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. so was I.
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all knew that who responded ;)
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that Joe Montana was a total hack.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. That Montana guy was awful, huh?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And why do you keep calling him “Brent”?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Eek, wasted two great runs for a potential great set up to a deep ball. Even if Edwards runs on the outside, that’s a jump ball at best.
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Wow. Quinny boy…. he was SOOOOO open. (Edwards, not the defense.)
Quinn Apologists, is there something I missed?
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He thought Braylon was going outside. Not sure who’s fault that was.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwards isn’t exactly Larry Fitz, even if he outside.
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Larry will get injured this year
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 13, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Several people:
Braylon, for making another move to the inside after the ball was in the air.
Quinn, for not seeing that the throw should have been to the inside, and throwing the ball anyway.
The pass pro, for making Quinn throw just that 1/2 second before he should have. Just a fraction of a second more and that’s a big play for us.
I can read Grossi’s column now; not naming the starter hurts the team chemistry, blah blah.
Regardless of what else happens in the game.
sometimes I'm glad I'm spared the Cleveland media
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That pass was the first time I felt like I saw a Brett Favre pass today.
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you can't ask them to hold off AP indefinitely
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
seriosuly
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
THERE we go
Barton lookin pretty good in spots
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The score is skewing how well the defense has played.
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Offense needs to pout points on the board this series.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that sucks
c’mon O lets turn it up a few notches.
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Time to get Furrey and Massaquoi involved in some three-receiver sets.
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word.
has Furrey even seen the field?
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
now lets keep at it and not revert to run, run, incomplete, punt
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it woulda been hilarious if Favre had injured Harvin by tackling him
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Sweet
nice concentration by Braylon
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