Transactions: LB Leon Williams Waived, Two Additions to Roster

by Chris Pokorny on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT in General News Comment 32 comments

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Say goodbye to Leon Williams.

The Cleveland Browns made several transactions Tuesday, releasing two players and signing two players to fill their spots.

Players Released

LB Leon Williams: Phil Savage now has two fourth-round linebackers that didn't end up amounting to much in Williams and Beau Bell. When Williams, a "veteran", was inactive in Week 1 instead of rookies Kaluka Maiava and David Veikune, it was a sign of things to come. Looking back, you wish the Browns could've kept Bret Lockett over Williams.
DB DeAngelo Smith: Here's another player who ended up being of no use to the Browns. We hardly knew you, Mr. Smith.

Players Signed

WR/S Ray Ventrone: Ventrone has been in the league since 2005, having ties to two teams. If you guessed that those teams would be the Patriots and the Jets, then you are correct. Ventrone is primarily a safety, but the Patriots worked him out as a backup receiver last year in the preseason. Ventrone is mainly a contributor on special teams.
OT Billy Yates: We now have another veteran offensive lineman in Yates, who has been in the league since 2003. He spent his first year with the Miami Dolphins, but played for the Patriots from 2004-2008. Yates ended up starting a few games during his span with New England, filling in for injured players.

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ventron is interesting to me. Hopefully he can be valuable for us.

by kjc on Sep 16, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

as a cowboys fan,,,,

you guys are looking good, keep your heads up. your defence and st are looking real good, but my opinion is anderson has a huge gun and it will open up the run, but brady does play a little more ball control……i think you guys are headed for big things, maybe not this year but they have play-makers……

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Sep 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you. You are one of the nicer cowboy fans I’ve seen.

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Look out….he might be drunk.

by Brownie's Year on Sep 17, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the Yates signing. Maybe we can cut Fraley now

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why would we cut a guy, Fraley, that anchored the Philadelphia Eagles, in their most successful time, 2002-2004 to include three NFC championship appearances and one Super Bowl game. In his final year there, 2005, when he was lost to injury after eight games, they went 6-10 (total coincidence?). I say he keeps starting at guard until we can draft a better one in next years first round.
Mack is also a guard, so what we really need is a real center. But I might as well be telling that to a wall. How Mack was determined to be a better center than Unger and Wood is still a big mystery to me. If it turns out we aptly drafted him at center, knowing he´s a ProBowl caliber guard, kudos to someone. But until that twist of reality is unraveled, good luck.

by mooncamping on Sep 17, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought you sent in your resignation post a few weeks ago? Quit pulling Farve’s!

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 17, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nicely done.

by danvail on Sep 17, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Montana used to be pretty good too. Why not sign him

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 17, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m guessing we’ll see Ventron just on ST and Yates is just there to plug into holes created by injury, yes?

by JustBob on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Any word on Hadnot?

by rufio on Sep 17, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is every team in the NFL now obligated, to take Patriots discards along for the ride, if they intend to win?

by mooncamping on Sep 17, 2009 7:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

By the way here is the difference between guard and center proportions.

The ideal center has short legs and a long strong torso,
like for example:
Eric Steinbach

the ideal guard is evenly proportioned and a little bit fat in the gut and but areas,
such as:
Alex Mack

By the way he won the Morris trophy twice, which is awarded to the best college offensive lineman or defensive lineman, and not the Rimington trophy, awarded to the best center in the nation.

The differentiation in proportions suited to a certain position is of course a matter of choice, and subject to discussion.
Like I said, I think we have a ProBowl caliber guard, in Alex Mack. I hope he isn´t made to fail, because of the insistance he has to be a center.

by mooncamping on Sep 17, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just Maybe

the coaching staff that does Football for living has an idea what to do. Just saying.

by Grockcubs on Sep 17, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you told us WHY the ideal guard has such and such proportions and the center has such and such proportions then maybe we have some discussion.

by skipkirk on Sep 17, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I notice from your photos that the center is also MUCH, MUCH taller (and wider) than the guard. Is that part of the ideal proportions also?

by drjeo on Sep 17, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the kid that has played center at a very high level in college can’t play center in the NFL because his torso isn’t long enough and his butt is too big?

Also, are you claiming to know exactly what % of the volume of Alex Mack’s hindquarters is muscle and what % is fat?

by rufio on Sep 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are some doors man was never meant to open. I’m putting Mack’s butt on that list.

by JustBob on Sep 17, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That kid can play, but his team will lose.

by mooncamping on Sep 18, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because his butt is too big? Can you explain why he’s not a natural center? Why does his butt and short torso affect what you think his position should be?

by Legoman0721 on Sep 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Physiognomy is to faces as mooncampology is to offensive linemen?

by rufio on Sep 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Holy Buhjezus, I’m changing my major!

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 24, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

See that picture of Mack? There is a ball between his legs. The guy played center in college for 4 years. He was pretty good too. Just quit mooncamping, again, just quit.

by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

do we know if eric steinbach, in 6 years, has ever taken a pro snap at center?

I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx

by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 18, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think he has. He has played some OT, though (which is where he fits better based on his ability, regardless of his proportions).

by rufio on Sep 18, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

(*where he fits better if he can’t play guard for some reason.)

by rufio on Sep 18, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since when did Mack pull a Lance Armstrong? Ha!

…Too Much?

by SpecialBrownie on Sep 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have never said a single thing on this website that makes any sense at all. Not one thing.

www.lowbrowsophisticate.com

by kwoog on Sep 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

browns

other teams have risen not the browns, i am a big brrowns fan from mass.i think gm. coach ,ERICK THE MANG. STINK

BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS

by JEETS on Sep 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

great stuff. seriously…just phenomenal all the way around…including the sig.

I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx

by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d be pissed too if I had holes in my socks.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

even if you dont like mangini, I dont see how you cant be pleased with Kokhinis

" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"

by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs