Cleveland Browns vs. Denver Broncos - Official Game Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 10:27 AM EDT
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The Cleveland Browns were set to prove the critics wrong for one half last week, but then the other half just fell apart. This week, the Browns will try to find redemption against the Denver Broncos.
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| Date: | September 20, 2009 | Location: | Denver, CO |
| Time: | 4:15 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | Invesco Field at Mile High |
| TV: | CBS |
Favorite: | Broncos by 3 |
| Radio: | WTAM, 1100 AM | Over/Under: | 38½ |
| SBN Coverage: | Mile High Report | Announcers |
Bill Macatee, Steve Beuerlein |
Two new coaches -- Eric Mangini for the Cleveland Browns and Josh McDaniels for the Denver Broncos. Both of them came from the Belichick tree, and both of them were heavily scrutinized by the media for their offseason moves. Last week, the Browns were night and day against the Vikings, while the Broncos had what might turn out to be the most shocking finish to a game in the 2009 campaign against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Neither team has room to brag about their performances last week, but if the Browns are to contend with their tough schedule, this is one of the type of teams they have to beat.
Let's start off this week's preview with the overall team statistics through Week 2...
OFFENSE
| Category | Browns | Broncos |
| Points Scored | 20.0 (16th) | 12.0 (25th) |
| Passing | 179.0 (23rd) | 227.0 (15th) |
| Rushing | 89.0 (14th) | 75.0 (23rd) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 268.0 (22nd) | 302.0 (17th) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Browns | Broncos |
| Points Scored | 34.0 (28th) | 7.0 (3rd) |
| Passing | 85.0 (3rd) | 221.0 (17th) |
| Rushing | 225.0 (32nd) | 86.0 (15th) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 310.0 (18th) | 307.0 (17th) |
| CLEVELAND BROWNS | Position | DENVER BRONCOS |
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| Can Brady Quinn relive the solid performance he had against the Broncos last year? |
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QB | Kyle Orton is hanging in there as a starter, only because the Broncos don't have a better alternative. |
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| Jamal Lewis ran the ball well against the top-rated Vikings run-defense. Was that a fluke, or a sign of things to come? |
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RB | It's more of a committee backfield, though Correll Buckhalter should receive most of the workload. |
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| For the Browns, it comes down to chemistry. We have the pieces -- Edwards the playmaker, Furrey the third-down man, and Cribbs the stiff-armer. They just need to find a rhythm now. |
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Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall owned the Browns last year, but that was with Jay Cutler under center. Marshall's absence during camp forces the ranking to be "even". |
| Joe Thomas made it seem like Jared Allen didn't even play last week. The right side of the line is still shaky, but should fare better in Denver. |
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OL | RG Chris Kuper might not play again due to a high ankle sprain. If he does play, let's put Shaun Rogers on him, eh? |
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| This is more of an experience factor. The Browns have three veterans starting who each at least crack the "average" barrier, while the Broncos are starting three players with limited experience. |
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DL | Despite their lack of experience, they deserve credit for helping shut down the Bengals offense last week. We'll see if they remain consistent this week or if they fall apart like many projected them to. |
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| Despite Peterson's day against the Browns last week, I saw more progress from Kamerion Wimbley than past years. The tackling also fared better all-around. |
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The big story I'll be interested in here is ILB Andra Davis facing the Browns. He reportedly had a great game last week in his debut, but I'd like to think he'll be tackling Lewis seven yards down the field all day long. |
| There is a big cloud hanging over the head of Brandon McDonald heading into this game. Will McDonald fold under the pressure? The safety blitzes were great last week too; let's see them again. |
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Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins give the Broncos a decent secondary. Quinn can't afford to have the same type of accuracy issues he did last week against this unit. |
| At the end of the season, good kick returners usually only have 2-3 touchdown returns. You just feel like heading into every game though that Cribbs is going to score. |
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ST | Eddie Royal's speed could burn the Browns if our containment doesn't improve this week. K Matt Prater in his career is 7-of-15 on kicks from 40-49 yards, but 6-of-7 on kicks from 50+ yards. |
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I predicted a home loss to the Vikings last week, but I'm going for a road win over the Broncos this time around. I don't think Kyle Orton is a good enough of a starting quarterback, and I am looking forward to our defense getting pressure on him and forcing him into a few costly throws. The Broncos' ground game doesn't pose anywhere close to the same match-up problems that Adrian Peterson did, removing the same type of intimidation I felt we were up against last week.
If the Bengals have a great defensive game against you, it's not a good sign. Denver's defensive effort against the Bengals was extremely impressive, but I won't be convinced they can do that week in and week out until I see it over the span of a month. Final Score: Cleveland Browns 27, Denver Broncos 16
FINAL PREDICTION: Cleveland Browns 27, Denver Broncos 16.
CHRIS' RECORD IN PICKING BROWNS GAMES: 1-0
CHRIS' OVERALL NFL PREDICTIONS RECORD: 13-3
This is the official gameday thread for the Cleveland Browns in Week 2 as they take on the rivaled Denver Broncos. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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Good Morning Primer
Terry Pluto did a great job talking about how Quinn and the Browns’ passing game can improve this week in his column today:
About Brady Quinn …
1. Why did 11 of Quinn’s 35 passes go to the tight end, and seven more to slot receiver Matt Furrey? While the family and friends of tight end Robert Royal (former Ravens coach Brian Billick called him "Royal Roberts" on TV during the game) love this offense, it’s not what the Browns have in mind. Quinn was racing through his progressions too fast, dumping the ball off to the tight end or slot receiver before it was necessary.
2. As the Browns studied films, they saw some receivers were open but Quinn wasn’t patient enough to get him the ball. They are stressing that Quinn look just a little longer down field.
3. For the record, Braylon Edwards indeed broke the wrong way on the interception. Even more importantly, the Browns simply want Edwards to take more care running all his patterns, and this certainly will help Quinn. The Browns struggled with no-huddle offense last week, but they believe Quinn can run it well at certain points in the game. They don’t plan to give up on it.
4. As the new coaching staff studied tapes of Quinn from last season, they saw two things that had to changed: A) He ran out of the pocket too quickly to avoid the rush. B) Too often, he threw off his back foot (meaning he was off-balance), and even jumped a few times as he threw. The result was poor accuracy. It’s why he completed only 54 percent (31-of-57) of his passes between 1-10 yards in 2008. The NFL average is 68 percent. In the Minnesota game, Quinn was 13-of-20 (65 percent), so there was an improvement.
5. While he had only one pass thrown to him and caught it for 18 yards, rookie Mohamed Massaquoi looked solid running routes. He was on the field for 15 snaps against the Vikings and will probably get more playing time in Denver. It is critical for Quinn to connect with a receiver so that each has a special sense of what the other is thinking — be it Joshua Cribbs, Edwards or Massaquoi. That will take away some of the fixation of throwing to the tight end.
Pluto has more in his column.
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I saw this from Pluto Chris and I thought it was spot on. I took a look at the last Denver game and saw that Quinn is capable of playing opposite of some of the criticisms above. When he relaxes in the pocket, steps into his throws and is patient he can be pretty decent. Hopefully he can get over his jitters and have a good game today. It will make all the difference if he does.
Brownsyup
I read this and thought to myself, “Wow, a cleveland.com writer who isn’t hating on the Browns.”
I like Pluto, but that’s about it from cleveland.com.
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Wow!
Really?! You think Cleveland is better or at worst “even” across the board for today’s game??? I realize that this is a Browns blog and all, but damn. As a Broncos fan, I’d slide RB over to even and move WR, OL and DB all over to Denver. That’d make our teams even in your match-up count (3-3-2) with home field giving the slight edge to Denver. The Vegas spread backs me up on that, by the way…
Anyway, here’s to our teams staying healthy, the refs staying out of the way and the better team winning today. Cheers!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
Thanks for stopping by. I’ll be able to make a better observation after today’s game. With all the changes Denver made in the offseason, I really found it kind of difficult to rank them across the board without having seen them live yet.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
For all of Denver’s changes, the only changes to the offense were the departure of Jay Cutler and added depth to all other positions. It’s still the same top three WR, top two TE, starting five up front (unless Kuper’s out again) and returning our best RB from last season. As for the upheaval on defense, that really can’t be seen as a bad thing considering how terrible that side of the ball was last year. The secondary is veteran but still rock solid and the front seven is transition remarkably well to the 3-4 (with a 5-2 look at times). We’ll see soon enough how our teams match-up and I can’t wait!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
There’s no way Denver’s OL is better, but I can see arguments for all your other suggestions. I don’t agree with them, but I can see arguements either way. The ones not mentioned are locks in our favor though.
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Really?
Sure, our guys gave up three in our opener, but yours allowed five. Browns’ QBs were sacked only 24 times last season, which is impressive enough, but their Broncos’ counterpart was sacked only half as often. Remember, Denver returned all five starters up front. For as great as Joe Thomas has been in his young career, Ryan Clady was every bit as impressive as a rookie last year. Oh, and the Broncos rushed for about 250 more yards than Cleveland in 2008 on less carries, leading to almost one extra yard per carry. Your boys looked better in this regard in Week 1, but not significantly so. I stand by my opinion.
Still, should be a fun game between two potentially even teams. Good luck to you guys, just better luck to us!
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One sack was where Quinn basically took a knee on a hail mary pass at the end of the first half. Another was when the ball slipped out of his hand while trying to throw a pass on the run. So we gave up 3 sacks to an all world front 4. You gave up three sacks to one of the 3 worst pass rushing teams in the NFL. And we have Joe Thomas. That alone would be enough to give us the edge (no, Clady was not "every bit as impressive).
I will also say that QB should probably be even. Though I think Quinn’s upside is incalculably higher.
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wow, this argument definitely blew up in your face
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 21, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bengals have no pass rushing threat, but the Vikings have Jared Allen and both of the Williams
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Antwan Odom looked like a monster for the Bengals today.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s going to be a boring next 2 hours.
I’m ready for some football!
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
Which 1:00 PM game do you get to see?
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well guys, I’m heading off to Denver for the game soon! We’re tailgating before the game with some other Browns fans so that should be fun. I’m looking forward to a great game and hopefully a win. I’ll be wearing my Cribbs jersey and yelling loudly all game long! Go Browns!!!
Sweet deal, hope we bring home a win!
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m going to stick my neck out a bit on this one. I think the Browns defense is going to come up big in this game with a defensive score. I expect the offense to get in rhythm as Quinn gets more time in the pocket. This is an important game for Quinn, he needs to relax and let the plays come to him instead of trying to force things and make plays with his feet. I hope to see Harrison get more carries than he’s ever had and to make have some big plays. As Lewis begins to recede to a role player on short yardage he’ll be responsible for keeping drives alive and improving the Browns time of possession. So here goes…
Browns 27 Denver 6
Good luck Browns!
Brownsyup
I don’t see Lewis reduced to a role player right away After the solid game he put up last week (not his fault he wasn’t getting the ball more). He should continue to get at least equal carries with Harrison at least until Davis shows some improvement in the regular season. I’m expecting to see more of a committee approach.
Actually, I’m expecting to see the 2nd-4th quarters. I’ll likely miss all of the 1st because we’re letting a realtor parade folks through the domicile today. I hope i don’t miss any big plays. Looks like I picked the wrong day/month/year/decade to not have a DVR.
Love your optimism, but I’m just looking for a W. I’ll go Browns by 6. Let’s say Brown 20, Broncos 14…. but I’d like your score better.
Go Dawgs!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well… I had it exactly backwards. Do I get any sympathy points for that? I sure need them… By my calculations, the next bight spot in our schedule is looking like Detroit in November. Can you say 1 and 7? OUCH! I’m in my depressed mode but maybe I can figure out the silver lining sometime. All I can say right now is that there was nothing good to take-away from today’s game. Defense and offense both looked absolutely lousy.
Brownsyup
You’ve got my sympathies. What an ugly, embarrassing game….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s funny you predicted the outcome to be 27-13 in favor of the Browns.
In my preview of the game I said it was going to be 28-13 in favor of the Browns.
Great minds think alike!!
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He said 27 – 16.
I’m thinking only Chris has the great mind.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest mistake, but at least you feel better about yourself for being immature in your comment.
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Extremely. But at least you feel worse for being wrong.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 20, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
At least I feel good about being mature.
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If you think BQ will have a better game, you better hope the right side of the O line decides to block someone this week. I don’t know why Chris P. believes that will improve this week. I’m not saying it won’t, I just wish we had a reasonable basis for thinking it.
This week the Browns are up against Denver’s front 3 of:
DE, Ryan McBean, One appearance in ‘07 with the Steelers and was on Denver’s practice squad last year
NT, Ronald Fields, in his 5th season, has 1 career sack.
DE, Kenny Peterson, 7 sacks over 7 seasons.
This doesn’t account for LB’s but you also have to consider that Denver is transitioning to a 3-4 defensive scheme.
Compare that with the front 4 of the Vikings from last week
DE, Ray Edwards, in his 4th season, 13.5 sacks so far
NT, Pat Williams, Veteran with 18.5 career sacks
UT, Kevin Williams, Veteran with 43.5 career sacks
DE, Jared Allen, 6th year with 57.5 career sacks
I think the above is a reasonable basis to believe that the Browns O-line will have a better performance this week.
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of me says we should have fewer problems with that line and part of me says that if these guys are so inept how did they get the job done against Cincy? I hope the Bronco front 7 “who we thought they were”.
I think their performance against the Bengals was just ‘one of those days’.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem with your comparison.
They are in completely different schemes. in a 4-3, the line will get bigger numbers because the extra man makes it easier to get to the QB. In a 3-4, the LB will get more opportunities because there are more of them than linemen.
Nice try, but your comparison is heavily flawed.
Sure, these guys may not be pro bowlers, but we don’t need them to be. Our line just needs to hold and let the other guys make the plays.
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe, “They are who we thought they were!”
by Monsters of the Midway on Sep 20, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
Nice Blog/Community Here.
I’ve enjoyed a little back and forth above, but since I’ve seen some of you posting predictions, I figured I’d give it a try: I’m going to go with 20-13 Broncos.
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Our Teams.
I think our teams might be underrated, even significantly so, by the traditional media and the average fan. Today we’ll learn a little more about ourselves because both fanbases look at this game as a must win if we’re going to surprise people this year. I think the Broncos should win this thing, but then again, what else is a fan supposed to think? Game time can’t get here soon enough!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
GAMEDAY INACTIVES
Browns
DB Marques Floyd, RB James Davis, OL Phil Trautwein, WR Brian Robiskie, TE Martin Rucker, OL Rex Hadnot, RB Cedric Peerman, QB Brett Ratliff
Broncos
The Denver Broncos have declared WR Brandon Lloyd, OT Brandon Gorin, DL Chris Baker, WR Kenny McKinley, DL Le Kevin Smith, OG Seth Olsen, LB Spencer Larsen, QB Tom Brandstater inactive for Week 2.
Of note, Robiskie and Davis is inactive, while Harrison and Ray Ventrone are active.
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The Bengals have put up 28 against GB so far.
We are talking about the same team, GB, that made Jay Cutler a laughing stock last week with a bunch of picks.
So, the Broncos Defense is looking pretty nice right now.
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Perhaps; I’ll still reserve judgment until after this game.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
Just about a half hour to kickoff. I can’t wait!!!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
“Antwan Odom is not human!” -Ian Eagle
5 sacks for Odom against GB today.
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Sigh...back to "watching" on GameCenter
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I really hope this Cincy @ Green Bay game ends soon. I’d like to not miss the opening kick off.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
Yay, just switched over now.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you da man
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao, bad start for these announcers. Clueless that we recovered a fumble on the kickoff.
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The announcer then calls his color man “Bob” and says, “opps, sorry I meant Bill”.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Packers recover on-side kick……… but who cares I want Browns!
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
All right! Edwards leaps for a great catch on a pass with a lot of velocity, but a bad pass.
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Quinn had the whole back of the end zone there — why not throw it toward the pylon for Furrey?
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felt the same way.. why not put some touch on it and let him run under it
by Dawgs Bite Back on Sep 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t like what I saw from Quinn on that first drive. He looked very tentative and made some poor throws.
We brought a safety blitz on that first play, but the safety pulled back to cover the RB. Orton didn’t even glance at the RB though.
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Announcer: “Eric Wright had good coverage”
Meanwhile, there is no receiver within 20 yards if the okay.
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www.atdhe.net is working for me
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a damn good cornerback ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, just looking at these throws from Orton, I’ll be embarrassed if we lose.
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Was distracted there. Here now, fear not.
Let’s not be the Redskins today. TDs are great. We should think about getting some.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Although, with that said…I’d take a W regardless of how many TDs we score/don’t score.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s be like the Redskins and win.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we wouldn't wear the brown pants
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Honestly, what were we going to do there that Denver needed to call a timeout?
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we blew their minds
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems a little misguided to say he “hasn’t been across the middle.” He returns punts. I’d argue that catching a punt with 3-6 people running full steam at you is even more difficult than catching a pass over the middle.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
That one is all on Alex Mack. Horrible snap.
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Let’s see if the defense can get an early stop like they did last week.
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Yeah, we had Wimbley covering that route.
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I haven’t always loved it…but seeing Jamal running through a hole is certainly something I want to see more of.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
"going Nowhere"
thanks, CBS
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wow. thats the call on 3rd and 6?
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I guess. I always thought the rule on 3rd down was through it past the first down marker
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
With that wind/atmosphere, that kick was DRILLED for a 47-yarder. My goodness.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe so.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. So was the kickoff and it was STILL 2 yards deep.
Phil Dawson 2012?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Dawson: Original New Brown, Cyborg
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting beat on the rush to the outside.
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Came completely clean to the QB. Have to get him.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
good coverage there
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Just barely missed the second foot.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, good recovery from the defense there to hold them.
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D continuing to represent well
if only the O followed suit
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If he busts one, then I’ll b…nm
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with the plays we’re calling is that I can’t tell what strategy we’re trying to employ. What is the intended purpose of the set of plays we’re running in a series?
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seriously. I'm scratching my head
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But really. Orton has all the time in the world today.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
we're not getting nearly as good penetration as we did against the Vikes
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh…don’t agree with not even trying to pass rush there, but it worked. Forced a punt.
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still not getting the ball to the WRs enough
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Can we get any more bland/boring with the playcalling?
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We could punt/kick on first down, but that might actually be more interesting…
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
quick kick!
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So we got that going for us, which is nice.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
big hitter, the Lama..
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice punt, Dave
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anyone else tired of hearing about how last week was the Browns’ first offensive touchdown in what seemed like a decade?
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We'll miss you, Vic
Naw. I’m still waiting for the next one, Blaze.
by JulioBernazard on Sep 20, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah- and the stats about being so terrible in passing categories since week 11 of last year- it means nothing. What does Ken Dorsey, Gradkowski and the Crennel staff have to do with this team?
Yes. But I’m also coming to realize that these comments won’t go away until we can semi-consistently put 7 on the board, so I have to be philosophical about when that might happen.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
1) why cant we get third downs?
1a) why do we run jamal lewis into the middle of the line, instead of getting cribbs/harrison on the outside?
1b) why does quinn throw to receivers who aren’t close to the first down line?
2) why can’t we sack KYLE ORTON?!
Exhibit A-Z: Barton shoots through the gap, unblocked, and massive whiff
3) stupid penalties, bad snaps, blown assignments, etc… again.
Only phil dawson is having a good day
oh c'mon guys
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why are the announcers calling eric wright “one of the best corners in the league”
am i missing something? when was this established?
well he is quite good. though i wish he'd tighten up on Royal
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
3 timeouts left. Let’s get the ball back and use them.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
Bogus interference call. Poteat played that ball.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
Yeah, with his back to it.
I felt that was a legit call.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If you bat the ball into the air, you are playing the ball.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when you’re not even facing it.
He wasn’t playing the play. He was playing the receiver playing the ball. And happened to hit the ball.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is where I mention that not only did Poteat turn around in time to get his hands on the ball, but the receiver initiated the contact.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
From the replays I saw, I didn’t see that. I’d love to see it again. It looked to me like Hank was up in his shit before the ball got there and happened to get his hands up in time to deflect it.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The ball was underthrown, the receiver tried to go through Poteat to get to the ball.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said, I’d like to see it again. And I’d agree it was underthrown, but that certainly doesn’t mean there was not pass interference.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
bullshit
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We’re not supposed to win. We’re on the road? Why should we expect any calls?
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
getting worked by a slow white guy and his QB, Capt Neckbeard
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The good old bend-but-don’t break defense :p
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a Browns tradition
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
should be winning this game
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this game needs more Heiden
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This game has been quite the highlight reel, eh?
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should get 3 seconds on Sportscenter
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we’ve gone away from throwing to Royal?
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At least we’ve gone away from throwing.to Royal?
Fixed.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
quinn looked ok this half. then again, it’s hard to tell because he’s thrown the ball a total of 12 freakin’ times. the playcalling is awful and too conservative. he needs to just air it out.
agreed. to me, the coaches are being conservative because they don’t have confidence in quinn. that’s going to hurt his own confidence. they need to let him actually be a quarterback and throw the ball. besides a few decent carries, jamal is giving us a total of 3 yards on 1st and 2nd so that it’s 3rd and 7 or 6. which they can never convert.
Can’t put it on the coaches. They have called pass plays and Quinn hasn’t thrown the ball down field. It’s either great defense, bad routes, or Quinn not trusting himself. That’s not on the play calling. Although I would like to see them force Quinn’s hand and call a play action or go route to Edwards on 1st or 2nd down on this first drive.
And I thought the first “bring in DA” comment would only take a quarter today.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s about how long it took to hear “Bring in Quinn” last season…
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
and then "bring in Dorsey" by the 4th
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair he hasn;t exactly looked great when he has thrown
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just keep telling ourselves that, it’ll help me sleep at night. :))
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Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
Sloppy First Half.
The game is unfolding rather as I expected (relatively even teams with the slight homefield edge for Denver). This Broncos defense is rock solid, the offensive line is amazing, but the passing game isn’t clicking (don’t underestimate Orton’s finger ijury and glove or the wind in that). I still like Denver by a score in a low scoring game.
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We picked up the blitz pretty well there, why did Quinn fold so quickly?
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I think Quinn panics too easily. He doesn’t think he can hit receivers downfield. He starts going through his progression. He sees a lineman close to him and he goes crazy.
Maybe we’ll get a review here to see if Dawkins stepped out? I can only hope…
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anyone else notice alex hall hasnt been playing much? they’re also not getting jerome harrison into space – jamal lewis is on the field for quite a few third downs. rookie WRs (mo mass) also absent
I didnt think I would say this, but I miss Chud
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 20, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m honestly surprised that Edwards caught that pass.
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Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
harrison inside run again. that’s like running lewis on the outside. oh wait, we do that too
by Dawgger on Sep 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you call for it every drive, sooner or later you’ll be right ;)
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The running game, on the other hand…
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
this offense needs some balls
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This game’s gotten to the point where all the announcers are doing it chit-chatting with Shannon Sharpe.
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Nice pushoff by Marshall to get open.
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Does anyone know how I can listen to this (debacle, from your comments!) on the internet radio? (without the NFL fee)
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by portland, oregon on Sep 20, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
I’m watching on channelsurfing.net and yes…debacle
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you . . . that works!
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by portland, oregon on Sep 20, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no reason we cant win this
this game is ripe for the plucking. RIPE I say
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Please find and use the reply button.
by JulioBernazard on Sep 20, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Again a late read by Quinn, but at least he completed it.
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Why wasn’t that roughing the quarterback for going low on Quinn there.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
you know, i really thought brady was going to be a good qb. i’m not giving up on him, but i’m just disappointed by these last 2 games.
Gee Quinn, can you throw it any lower over the middle?
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I’m sorry, but I’m as big of a Cleveland pessimist as they come…but this is getting REALLY old quick already.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya. Good thing I’m drunk, otherwise I’d go run a MUCK!!
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re only in this because they’ve let us stay in it. this offense better get a whole lot better if we’re going to be respectable at all this year
agreed, it’s pretty sad when our QB is being outplayed by Kyle Orton
by Riverboat Sam on Sep 20, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton is suprising me. We should have like 6 sacks already.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fellas, this is getting painful. I got to the TV with 11 minutes and change left in the second quarter and I have seen 2-3 good plays from the Offense.
that many??
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
First time I’ve ever heard of a game ending at the start of the fourth quarter.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no kidding. The reactionary depressed one liners really don’t add anything to the conversation. It’s pretty annoying actually.
Yeah, but we were playing a bad, mistake-prone QB and have a good secondary. We weren’t out of it at the start of the 4th.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 20, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing keeping this game within reach is the wind and the Broncos who can’t seem to get out of there own way. Eric Barton needs to jump on a couple more knees, one of them should be Brady Quinn. It’s getting anemic to watch him anymore. I know DA wasn’t no Brady or Manning, but god he was better than this. I tried telling all the Quinn fans, but you got what you want…
Wow. Did you copy this comment from cleveland.com or did you think of it all by yourself?
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read a lot of reactionary and embarrassing things so far on the site today, but this was by far the lamest and most ridiculous. It’s got the stupidity of injuring our own players, plus the gloating of I told you so. It’s a classic cleveland.com comment.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, did you really have to that far into thought and pull those big words out for an ‘off the wall’, figure of speech comment? Gee, maybe you all should surf on over to www.pfizer.com and see what they have for you moods and attitudes…
You’re from Dayton and you can read and pronounce ‘reactionary’? Damn, you couldn’t have been born there
u watchin the same game? we can’t ove the ball.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
sign
same old same old
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Detroit?
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver’s defense really has had a cakewalk today…it’s like we haven’t even tried to exploit anything.
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ok, calm down. i was being optimistic way longer than most people on this board. sorry that i’m mad about this team’s awful play :/
I’m rather sure we’re all upset. But it doesn’t mean we’re posting about how awful we are and how we suck and how we should go cut ourselves repeatedly without any hint of analysis or reason behind it.
This game sucks. Yes. But this quippy, sado-masochistic one-liners are grating.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I did.
and I still expect improvement
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s saying it because you are addressing someone else’s comment, but not using the reply button. It makes it difficult to understand the context of what comment you are responding to.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t hold the damn ball for 4 seconds.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Denver is getting their highlight reel plays now.
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that one hurt
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It is going to be a LOOOOOONG season. :(
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Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
amen.
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I see you just signed up last week. You’re off to a bad start, my friend. Quit trolling.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 20, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My MVP?
Johnnie Walker. Black.
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that RB from Cal might be coming out..
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We might struggle to pay all of them top 5 money.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
They apparently would rather go to another team’s practice squad, and I dont blame them.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 20, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if it has to be such an awful game, I’m at least grateful for the website here and the perspective of other Browns fans. We’ll turn it around someday and it’ll be all the sweeter.
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Sep 20, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Up here in the Northwest the Washington Huskies were 0-12 last year and yesterday they beat Southern Cal. You never know. Things turn around, and they look like they never will until they do.
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by portland, oregon on Sep 20, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
yeah...fantastic
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t able to watch any of that game (or see any highlights this morning)- anything notable that lead to the Wash win?
3 turnovers and Aaron Corp sucks balls
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 20, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Mangini’s “thing” is to chew gum while we fold around him.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello everyone
Hey everyone. Cleveland native currently living in Atlanta here. Been a Browns fan all my life. Didn’t watch the game unfortunately (Steelers/Bears is on here). Just dropping a line. I’ll be in on the thread next week.
Actually, he targeted Royal very successfully last week. He had problems throwing to others.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but out of all those completions to Royal last week, how many were game changing moments, advanced the ball for first downs? And how many of those happened during a time in the game that would have made any difference at all? Plus after the first two or three passes the defense usually catches on. Theres a reason you keep multiple receivers, running backs on the roster.
Oh, so completions have to be game changing moments? I stand corrected.
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by woodsmeister on Sep 20, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whatever happened to the Wildcat
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michael jay…you can watch the games online while the other games are on tv…thanks to the guys on this website that have helped me do just that…and as painful as it is sometimes, It is always better than watching the freakin steelers or bengals
yeah, Iwas watchin Browns on internet, and SD/BAL on tv
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Orton hanging in there by default?
He’s a proven winner. 24-12 now in his career. You guys are trash.
Go eat dinner with your mom and celebrate then
by Brownie's Year on Sep 20, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it, but it is true: The Cleveland Browns are the worst team in the NFL this year.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 20, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
That can’t be true; they scored last game.
by JulioBernazard on Sep 20, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami was 0-2 last year and looked terrible. Week 3 they rolled up 5 TDs on the Patriots and really never had a bad game after that.
I don’t think you really know what a team’s going to be until week 5 or so.
Yeah but ever since the preseason game against Detroit, the team has played worse and worse each week, and yeah some of those were preseason, but it seemed like they made no adjustments from last week to today. Just a stick to our guns and maybe it will work some week.
Guh, I hit reply on the right posts and it’s not aligning correctly for me.
Anyway, preseason means SQUAT. Do I need to mention Detroit’s preseason vs. regular season record last year?
What I think will happen is Daboll loses the headset and Mangini starts calling the offense. We’ll still run on first down all the time, but maybe not on second down.
I’m trying to be optismistic here. Work with me.
No way. After all the posturing Mangini’s done and the crap he’s taken for it, no way does his ego let him start DA.
And people are forgetting Peyton Manning was terrible his first year as a starter (the Colts were 3-13). You can’t expect an unproven quarterback with a questionable D and running game to be a superstar and win a bunch of games. The only guy that’s EVER done that is Boomer Esaison.
DA
nope..i think they will stay with Quinn.. i agree with Michael Jay… we will come out of this… one win will change everything and the Browns will come to life
someone just made a good point about miami going 0-2 then turning things around. i was one of those people making negative comments before, but let’s just all stop. there are still 14 games left in the season. quinn will get better in time. taking him out and putting DA in is not the answer at all.
BELIEVELAND!
that’d be me; being new around here (though I’ve followed the site for two years), glad to know I’m not making a complete moron out of myself
i’m a huge quinn supporter. i’m not a ND fan, so it’s not because of that. i think that he will become a good qb. i have been very disappointed with his play so far, but i have seen some good things. maybe it will take a big chunk of the season for him to really improve. he’s not going to be like matt ryan and be awesome right away, that we know. but drafting another qb in 2010 or putting DA in is not the answer.
Sadly, we are going to draft one if Quinn can’t get it done. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy all coming out next year? No way do we whiff on all three of those guys.
Wow!
Before the game, I split the match-up favorability evenly amond both teams and called for a 20-13 grind out win for my Broncos. After the game, I’m evermore impressed with the defense and think only our passing offense and FG kicking (Orton’s not 100% and the wind was crazy) can hold Denver back. I wish I could say I saw something in the Browns to provide hope, but that was a pretty weak effort by your guys. Stranger things have happened, so don’t lose faith. I’m glad we had what appeared to be a relatively injury free game. Good luck with the rest of your season.
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I know you werent trying to, but
Please dont rub it in. We are miserable enough.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 20, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies.
I can imagine it was a tough game for you guys and I understand that it takes some time to move on. I don’t mean to insult your team, because that would only detract from what ours did today. Like I said, stranger things have happened, so hang in there and hope for a sudden turn around. Good luck moving forward and thanks for being cool with my stopping by.
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One thing to take away
at least we haven’t lost 19 straight…
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
is it bad that i have no idea?
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
argh
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick reactions:
Pros
- Run Defense for 95% of the game.
- red zone defense
- Phil Dawson FGs- not so easy in that wind
- Kickoff coverage- forced fumble, touch back
Cons
- Cribbs- dropped pass or two, fumble, below average returns
- Quinn- held on to the ball way, way too long, didn’t throw to open receivers, let Edwards make plays on the ball, and didn’t trust himself. Too many checkdowns even when down by 2 scores in the fourth quarter.
- Lewis- not totally awful, but had some big holes that led to 5 yard gains instead of big plays.
- offensive playcalling- no identity to the offense, lack of creativity in using Cribbs and Harrison (no wildcat, no reverses, one screen, etc.), too predictable on third down.
- O-Line- I think most of the sacks were on Quinn, but the right side of the line didn’t do him any favors.
Can you blame Cribbs for low returns when clearly Denver had nothing else to worry about in terms of coverage EXCEPT Cribbs on returns? I highly doubt Champ Bailey was having sleepless nights over Braylon Edwards’s route running.
the true weak spot is Jamal Lewis. How can we expect a QB to be successful without a viable running game? And God, John St. Clair is terrible.
This hurts so bad. I have to go into my office tomorrow and have a bunch of Jet fans heckle me ( i live in NYC)
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 20, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Forgive me for being impatient
are we willing to wait for Brady to come along or should we open up the competition for the starting job again?
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
A few to me is 3. That was what his fourth or fifth start. Mangini needs to get the hook ready. Someone tell Anderson to start warming up…
and a big arm?
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
When fans are throwing out the “he needs confidence” line as an excuse for your starting QB, then you know it is going to be a brutal season.
Watching Quinn gives me the same feeling that I used to get watching Rob Johnson in Buffalo or Tim Couch… there is nothing there.
Luckily, I have kids, so I can find something useful to do with my Sundays, because there is no way that this team is going to be worth watching.
Three weeks ago, I thought that 8-8 was attainable.
4 wins will surprise me.
Again I said, Chad Pennington last year. First two games, he tossed one TD and lost wk 1 with a bad pick on the final play.
He never had a game with a passer rating under 100 after that until the playoff loss to the Ravens.
It’s not all Brady. Yes, he shares the blame, but the playcalling is terrible. When your longest pass ATTEMPT is less than 30 yards, the safeties aren’t going to play deep and they can stop the run all day.
Quinn has no long range accuracy. Thats why the play calling is terrible, or terrible to us cause we’re used to DA and Frye and Holcomb slinging the ball for 47yd gains.
Having said that, we drafted to cover that. Robo and MoMass (I went to Georgia Tech; I sat through 4 years of MoMass beating up my Jackets) aren’t deep threat guys. They’re quick cut and get open guys that run good routes. This offense was designed for Quinn. The only guy he could throw deep to is Edwards. That’s how it’s been since we drafted him. Name one other serious deep threat we’ve had (Stallworth doesn’t count).
Sold! make it happen
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Put me in the grit -your-teeth-and-wait column. One way or the other, I want dead certainty on whether BQ has anything for us or not this year. One woeful game is not the end.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jamal is done. I am sick of the stutter steps and lack of break away speed (if he manages to get past the first level). Joe McKnight #1?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 20, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Jordan McKnight? Looks like Lewis had good break away speed last week. Plus he is no Peterson. He is a smash mouth break through the line getting the yards that you need. Cleveland, at least since the expansion, has never had a break away track sprinting running back cause they have always been built around the passing game.
Jamal
Lewis has added positive yards in both game… NO negitive yards… dont be so fast to write him off
What about this? You give Quinn the start next week, and if things are still looking the same way around halftime, or before, you yank him, add DA, put Cribbs back in ST/Defense and give Robiskie a chance. He looked promising last week. Did he even take a snao today?
He was inactive today. Didn’t even dress.
So you give Quinn one last chance against the Ravens defense? Hello Romeo Crennel, how are ya?
In DA’s games last year, he played 5 teams (out of 6) with great defenses before getting yanked (Steelers, Cowboys, Ravens x2, Giants). Only game he lost that was really his fault was the Redskins game.
Brady hasn’t looked good, but no QB is gonna look good with that vanilla playcalling we’ve had the last season and these two games. We need an OC that will take some chances.
Perfect. Let’s keep changing players every couple of games all the way through the season, and end the year as confused as ever! I know patience is unpopular, but really….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgive me again...
How much longer will we have to wait til Mangini decides to coach a winning game?
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
Don't know
but they were WRONG
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s only been two games, but Daboll appears to be the weak link of the coaching staff. There’s no flow to the offensive play-calling at all.
at least we scored touchdowns under Chud
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe its Ryan we should be blaming. Didn’t he come in saying we will shut down the run?? We’ve given up 376 on the ground so far this year. Not on a record setting pace by any means
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. Most of that was the 4th quarter and the games out of reach. I’ve been pretty impressed with the improvement of the run defense in the first half against a couple really good running teams.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 20, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Those second half collapses are getting prominent though. I’d be depressed with our O too, but still….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The defense is pushing mediocre. I would have liked some turnovers against some of those horrific Orton passes, the kind that can give us a chance to win. Unfortunately, our O is so bad right now that we will need 2-3 turnovers/game to keep it close.
Turnovers would have been nice today, certainly. At least the D has given me hope though, starting strong. I can see ways the D could build on the things that are working and become… well, competent. As opposed to the offense.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, we will pull off the upset next week!! You know, catch the ravens off guard! Like washington did with usc!!!
that was an upset of EPIC proportions. only way we pull an upset is if the ravens miss their flight.
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Miss their flight, Flacco comes down with a case of IBS, Ray Lewis stubs his toe on the carpet, and their entire ground game group turns on each other in a rare case of Mad Cow disease mixed with flesh eating bacteria. Then we pull the upset, but barley cause Mangini will decide to punt on 1st and 10 on the Ravens 8 yard line.
I wonder if Zastudil would be able to pin them inside the 5 from there?
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s not even talk about the draft. it’s 2 games into the season. so let’s just see what happens. wait for the season to end or be near the end until we start talking about getting a RB or replacing quinn. cuz you never know what will happen!
cleveland.com is saying the defense suffered another “meltdown”
They were the only reason we were in the game! Just like last week. It’s not their fault we can’t get into the end zone. McDonald gave up a couple plays, but you can’t call him a goat when he was on the field for more snaps than our f’n quarterback. I mean really.
Well, not that the defense melted, but Vikings scored 34 last week, and I dont recall many defensive scores. This week the Broncos put up 27, and not much came from the defense. Thats why everyone is saying the defense was a melt down.
The way the article is worded, it’s like we completely folded in the second half. Our D was on the field for 20 minutes in the first half of the Vikings game and it’s not like we’re deep enough to rotate guys in and out at will. Guys get tired when they’re on the field for 2/3rds of the game.
Hmmmmm
Browns have a damn fine fan base….. gee…ya.ll are acting like it 0-16… (will KEEP quietly supporting the Browns..alone i guess)
Stupid Comment
Man – being a fan has never meant that you can’t complain about your team or point out glaringly obvious facts about your team.
Such as – they suck.
Listen, I have followed this team for almost 40 years. I know crap when I see it. And this version of the Browns is CRAP!
Doesn’t make me a fair weather fan, just someone who has seen enough football to know when he is watching CRAP.
Wail at me if you want, we can talk in late December, and if this team has shown significant improvement on last year’s horrid squad, then I will offer up a big apology.
brady quinn is the worst qb in the nfl! we had so many chances to score, but he can’t lead an offense, and that’s before they put pressure on him. he had many chances, but cannot make his decision quick enough. make all the excuses you want, but the truth is he sucks and shouldn’t be in a nfl jersey!
well.. seeya next week… hope ya’ll cry this game out of your systems and Browns Fans return next week.. bye Emily… we;ll get that TD next week… keep on beliving.. till then….Go Browns
i’m have been and always will be a browns fan, it’s just hard some times, but i’ll be wearing my orange and brown next week. i’m just agitated right now, but quinn still sucks!
GO BROWNS!!!
I second on all fronts.
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m trying emily, i’m trying! he looked worse this week than he looked last week, against a weaker defense, with better field position in his first two possessions! we should’ve gotten more than 6 points from that! that was all the scoring we had, couldn’t move the ball at all after that. very depressing….
i know :( . i do give quinn some of the blame obviously, but not all of it is his fault. the o-line didn’t give him any time on a ton of plays, and the playcalling was awful! they’d run it every time on 1st and 2nd down, leaving them with a 3rd and 8 or 7. he only had 12 pass attempts the 1st half, that’s definitely not going to move the ball when the qb isn’t even throwing.
overall, the entire offense needs a reboot.
reboot? how long do we wait? what do we have to look forward to with this offense? i know you are a quinn fan, but do you ever remember da looking so bad? he’s had his bad games, but at least we’ve never been blown out like this with him at the helm, two weeks in a row. quinn looked really bad in two straight games that we were in until the offense went 3 and out over and over again the whole second half. the defense can do only so much, this isn’t the defense of the 85 bears or th e defenses of pitts and ravens. the offense has to help out, at least with the field position game.
seen DA look at least that bad most of last year
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
yes. DA was awful at the end of ‘07. they could’ve gone to the playoffs by beating a crap cincy team and he throws like 4 interceptions. he screwed them out of the playoffs by the ints and bad decision making.
you read my mind…sorry Emily
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
“so close yet so far” welcome to cleveland sports.
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that one too
"It’s tough," Martinez said. "This is my house. This is my home."
We'll miss you, Vic
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Sep 20, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He also moved the ball in the final drive and lost on the final play. Look I’m not DA’s biggest fan either, but we only lost three games by double digits with him under center (Patriots in ’07, Ravens & Cowboys in ’08).
Quinn’s got two double digit losses to his name already in just 5 starts. DA was anointed a starter after being in the league for 2 years. Brady… was named a starter after being in the league for two years. I’m willing to give Brady the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not giving him anymore leeway than DA got when people were chanting for Quinn in the first game of last season.
yeah that’s true. and like i said, i’m not saying that quinn has no fault here. i’m saying that after two games, he shouldn’t be benched or seen as a lost cause.
i give him a minimum of 8-10 games. after that, i do support putting in DA. it’s not that i’m completely opposed to DA. if he would stop making stupid decisions and throwing ints all the time, then we could go back to that wonderful first part of the ’07 season.
but i thought brady looked better in the preseason and was better suited for the offense. maybe i was wrong. a lot of people were.
i’m just trying to remain optimistic and hope he at least improves and things get better. because… do we really want to spend another #1 pick on a qb? we need some major oline improvement, etc.
Well that was ugly
I would consider it a meltdown if my team was only down 10-6 at the end of one half. Broncos scored 17 unanswered points and Dr. Quinn couldn’t move the chains again. It’s either terrible play calling or something isn’t right here. Dumervil got 4 sacks on him alone in the second half. It’s a tough pill to swallow when they did halfway decent in the first half and they came out and played like a peewee football team in the second half. I enjoy the Browns as much as any fan but its getting to the point where we want to see results. Its obviously a new coach, new system but it doesn’t seem to be any different then last year.
Quinn at his best
This is the best Quinn has to offer. Get used to it. From the day he was drafted I have been yelling he is no good. He got out played by Kyle Orton. He looks lost and scared out there. With Quinn at the QB position, I see 2-14 if we get lucky.
he is not a nfl qb! da is not the answer, but he looks more like a nfl qb, that’s what we’ve got this year. max hall in 2010!
Max Hall sucks
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I knew I’d be reading a lot of these comments this evening….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I am disappointed by this performance.
by cleveland teamer on Sep 20, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Winner: Understatement of the day.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 20, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
rec
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So far.....so good....
I believe the Browns are going to turn this around and win ten straight. Just as soon as Obama turns things around, ends the recession, gives us full employment and great health care. Might take a while………..
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
When does basketball start?
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
QB, RB, OL edge went to.. the Browns?
There’s a thin line between homerishness and blatant lack of football knowledge. Clowns.
The Donkeys are the worst 2-0 team left standing..
they will go nowhere. Browns made them look respectable
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Because we suck. They had a clear edge at all three of the positions listed today. Chris couldn’t have known that before the game, but we do now.
That was almost english.
You know, you’d save some face by admitting the Broncos are better than advertised. Why would you want to be a fan of a squad that got steamrolled by a team going nowhere?
F**k off, bandwagoner
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect you guys and your site...
But your whole position breakdown thing was pretty inaccurate. Orton is a superior QB, our o-line as a whole is much better despite Joe Thomas being the best LT in the league, our four-headed rb monster is better than yours even tho I did like what I saw from you guys last week, our recieving options are far better even with Marshall missing the preseason…Royal, Gaffney, Stokley plus Scheff and Graham?
Before this game, I thought that your D was the better of the two but after that game its hard to hold on to that opinion. I understand that we wore down your D since your O couldnt get a first down all day but our O was just as bad with moving the chains last week and D still kept us in the game against a Cincy team that proved how talented they were today. I still think your D is very solid and good enough to win with if the O could just get something going for you guys. Most of the bright spots on your team come on the defensive side and you guys are buliding a D to fit the AFC north mold…
But come one guys… Besides your special teams, I don’t see a position were you guys are better. And don’t hate on us… I don’t think you guys are a 2-14 team, and I could see you getting 5-6 wins but don’t call us the worst 2-0 just because your bitter. Im not saying were a superbowl team and we have a lot more to prove before we can even expect to compete in the postseason, but at this point I definately think we could make the playoffs in a very weak, winnable division.
We exploited your weaknesses and ran you down both physically and mentally. I’m not trying to insult the Browns or any of their fans, just asking you all to be realistic.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
"I'd rather hit than have sex."- Reggie Jackson
"Obviously your not a golfer." - The Dude
This game was humbling no question, but if anything it’s the Broncos and their fans that need to lower their expectations.
Orton looked terrible today, he managed for some of those skip ball passes to not get picked off, which benefited you guys a lot. Even with that 27 point performance, I would be really nervous about him.
The majority of fans on this site were expecting the Browns to win 6-7 games this year. That seems like a fanbase that has a pretty good grip on reality considering we would be more optimistic than the average fan about our own team.
Thanks for the input man. It has been interesting having the counterpoint here. I agree with some of your points but you can’t be happy about Orton. What I’d say he did was “not lose”. I’d be really nervous about him against better teams.
But I’d much rather be in your place than in ours. We are looking pretty hopeless with no schedule relief in sight. Seeing you were in a pretty similar situation (new coach, new QB, new system, etc.) right now I’d say you won the Belichick cast-off derby! Cheers!
Brownsyup
You Are Being too Kind Elway
That analysis was so poor it was if a pimply faced kid still in his Browns pajamas was writing it. As he reaches the half way point, he looks up and sees his Browns pennant duct taped to the wall and then re-assesses our DBs to fine some damn sure tacklers.
Our expectations aren't high...
We all agree we are a better team than we were last year, a season in which we were a fringe playoff team mostly due to the division we play in.
I think we are a more well rounded team this season and still in a weak division so once again, we have playoff potential but were no superbowl contender. I think our defense is playing very well but will come down to earth and be more solid than spectacular. Our offense is playing under our potential tho, much like yours, but its enough to win. Im still not sold on Orton but if he can keep this up, he’ll throw 16 TDs to 0 INTs with 4,000 yards. The TD/INT ratio will never stay that good as hes bound to throw some picks but you also have to factor that he’s been throwing with a wound and a glove on his throwing hand. Im not trying to use this as a crutch but he’s been a top half QB the first two weeks and now has potential to only be better when he gets the glove off and the wound heals.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
"I'd rather hit than have sex."- Reggie Jackson
"Obviously your not a golfer." - The Dude
You sold me. The Broncos are better than the Browns this year in every way. The Broncos are better than the Lions in every way.
by elsandito on Sep 20, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Concur...
The Broncos are a marginal team……and Elway4Mr.Edlookalike makes more sense.
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Cincinnati looked good today, which makes your first victory all the more legitimate. For a team that traded away a “franchise” QB and seemed to be in full rebuild mode, your squad has a lot of depth and is (presumably) still stacked with picks. Find a true franchise QB at some point and you could be scary.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
The right side of the Offensive line was pathetic, as was the entire offense. Daboll is a joke. Lack of talent is a much bigger problem than I thought it was going into the year. I am an admitted homer, but even I was skeptical of this new regime choice. I don’t think Mangini is a Super Bowl caliber coach. Call me in two years when there’s yet another new organization in place.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
Maybe it's just that Elvis Dumervil was unstoppable...........
Bringing Bronco love from 1,112 miles away
by Troy Hufford on Sep 20, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Analysis
We literally got our azzes kicked by a team that you did not give an edge to in any position group! Unbelievable. You really thought our WRs were as good as Marshall, Royal, and Stokely? And our DBs – LMFAO! Dude – take off those rose colored glasses and step up the analysis.
Do you really think it’s a matter of strength? I do not. I thought every pass he threw over 15 yards had serious zip on it. What was disconcerting was the lack of accuracy, short or long.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
I don’t think it’s arm strength. I think it’s reluctance to turn the ball over taking shots down field. Not letting plays develop enough. Not throwing to a guy more than 10 yards downfield unless he is WIDE open. Braylon has the kind of athleticism that we should be throwing it downfield to him at least 5 more times/game just to let him make a play.
So we can look forward to seeing your analysis of next week’s opponent?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 21, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The ranking was considering the fact that Marshall would be on the sideline the whole game, which he basically was.
Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall owned the Browns last year, but that was with Jay Cutler under center. Marshall’s absence during camp forces the ranking to be “even”.
Thanks for not reading, though. Just makes you look like the tool after the fact.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Brutal. I have watched a ton of crappy Cleveland Browns football, but today was some of the worst. Denver does not have talent that is 20 points better than us.
I know it is week 2, but this team has major, major issues and few fixes in sight, This could be a very long year.
When do the Cavs start?
This analysis is absurd.
Denver has vastly more talent at WR than Cleveland. BM> Edwards, Royal>Cribbs, Stokely>Furrey, Gaffney>Massaquoi, Scheffler & Graham > Royal.
Denver has vastly more talent along the O-line. Thomas is very good, but Clady is better and frankly, we are also vastly better at RT and Center. Denver also has more talent at both guard spots.
Denver has vastly more talent at CB and safety. McDonald and Poteat are well below average NFL players.
There is not one GM in football that would take a single Cleveland RB over Moreno. Hillis is better than Vickers.
Elvis Dumerville is a better player than Wimbly and has been for his entire career. Not just yesterday.
Wake up guys. Your team is talent deficient.
Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.
We had our cold, sobering realization yesterday. You guys are in for one, as well. Congrats on dominating the Browns.
There was nothing needing realizing
You have Brady Quinn who couldn’t even win in college. You have Jamal Lewis and nothing until Davis can prove he can stay healthy. Your O-Line is Joe Thomas and nothing. You have Drops McKenzie, Mike Furrey and Cribbs who doesn’t know the position yet. Even with everybody playing at their peak, there’s no way any of those edges go to Cleveland.
I don’t mean to undermine Chris, but I really don’t care how the positional advantage write-up went. That stuff matters little to me. I really don’t get why the Broncos fans are taking that so personally. It is the work of a very informed football writer, who may have been a bit too optimistic about his team, yet you guys feel the need to continue to rub it in, as if we should just re-write the thing and slap a big Denver logo next to every position. It is meaningless. You got the win, now move on and best of luck.
Um, something between what Roger and kwoog said.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re right, we were awful Sunday and didn’t even effectively demonstrate whatever talent we might actually have. That said, you might not want to get too excited about beating us, unless you enjoy overconfidence. I look forward to the rest of your games this season.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Focus on the Bengals.
They were your crutch. You weren’t going to finish in the basement as long as Cincinnati was there. But they just beat GB on the road. Yikes.
Oh, hit the road already. Revel in your big victory elsewhere. We can handle our divisional standing and postmortem ourselves, thanks.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How Sickening...
That Bronco fans come in here, rub our noses in it and are sadly absolutely right.
Still, they are jackasses anyway.
strongly agree with the second paragraph
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 21, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What Bronco fans fail tor realize is that the individual position rankings do not take into effect the…
a.) lack of a gameplan
b.) how good the chemistry between units are
Ultimately, the Broncos excelled in those aspects Sunday. And, after two weeks of seeing John St. Clair struggle (I thought he’d hold up a little better), my rankings on the OL will obviously be more tamed next week. Denver deserves credit for capitalizing on their relatively easy schedule to start the season here.
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And thank you kwoog, Roger, and a few others for your previous comments ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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