Cleveland Browns vs. Baltimore Ravens - Official Game Thread
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 1:16 AM EDT
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Cleveland Browns at Baltimore Ravens, Sep 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
The Cleveland Browns are making Peter King's 2-14 prediction look generous at this point. This week, the only way to change the team's negative streak is to do something shocking: attempt to come into the game with a gameplan on offense.
| CLEVELAND BROWNS (0-2) | WEEK 3 | BALTIMORE RAVENS (2-0) | |||
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| Date: | September 27, 2009 | Location: | Baltimore, MD |
| Time: | 1:00 p.m. ET |
Stadium: | M&T Bank Stadium |
| TV: | CBS |
Favorite: | Ravens by 14 |
| Radio: | WTAM, 1100 AM | Over/Under: | 38½ |
| SBN Coverage: | Baltimore Beatdown | Announcers |
Gus Johnson, Steve Tasker |
With a loss this week to the Baltimore Ravens, the Browns will be three games out of the division lead just three games into the regular season. That's a hole that a non-powerhouse team like the Browns can't climb out of. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not be playing the "spoiler role" prior to the half-way point of the season -- I still want there to at least be some hope for contending.
That'll be tough against the Ravens. Our defense has started off games well, but then succumbed to the pressure in the second half of games. If our offense hasn't gotten it going yet, then why on the road against the Ravens? I haven't given up hope, but I am now refusing to boast about the potential of our offense when it has failed to pan out time and time again.
This week, the Browns have two big injuries -- RB Jamal Lewis and K Phil Dawson. I'm happy to see one of our youngsters at running back, but seeing another player at kicker just seems weird (Billy Cundiff is the new kicker).
Let's start off this week's preview with the overall team statistics heading into Week 3...
OFFENSE
| Category | Browns | Ravens |
| Points Scored | 13.0 (30th) | 34.5 (2nd) |
| Passing | 162.5 (28th) | 242.0 (13th) |
| Rushing | 71.5 (27th) | 164.0 (4th) |
| Total Offense (yards) | 234.0 (32nd) | 406.0 (3rd) |
DEFENSE
| Category | Browns | Ravens |
| Points Scored | 30.5 (29th) | 25.0 (23rd) |
| Passing | 174.0 (7th) | 290.0 (28th) |
| Rushing | 205.5 (31st) | 41.0 (1st) |
| Total Defense (yards) | 379.5 (29th) | 331.0 (17th) |
| CLEVELAND BROWNS | Position | BALTIMORE RAVENS | ||
| Brady Quinn is bound to face heavy pressure against the Ravens. Bad protection on the right side, coupled with Quinn holding onto the ball too long, could lead to Derek Anderson entering as an injury replacement. |
QB |  |
If the Ravens' Joe Flacco is supposed to have a sophomore slump, he's now having it yet. After two weeks, he has continued to be an effective quarterback. His longest completion has been for 31 yards. |
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| I'm excited to hopefully see Jerome Harrison start, but I don't expect many carries out of him. If anything, I want him to receive a lot out of the backfield. |
RB | |
Ray Rice and Willis McGahee have started off the season by complementing each other beautifully -- Rice is averaging 5.3 yards a pop, while McGahee is at 4.9 yards a pop. |
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| Braylon Edwards has a shot at redemption against a thin Ravens secondary. Last season, Edwards dropped a potential game-sealing touchdown against Baltimore. |
WR | |
Derrick Mason = Veteran. Not great, but it works. |
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| I would take the left side of our line any day over the Ravens. That's not to discredit the Ravens; Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach offer few weaknesses. To get to the point though, our right side blows. |
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OL | |
The Ravens are a step ahead of the Browns, having taken a right tackle (Michael Oher) in this year's first round. Baltimore has a nice mix of youth and veteran players on the line. |
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Paging Corey Williams. Are you still on the team? I wouldn't be surprised to see him following in the footsteps of Leon Williams, Beau Bell, and Martin Rucker pretty soon. |
DL | |
The Ravens bring their defensive line unit from last year back -- Trevor Pryce, Kelley Gregg, and Haloti Ngata. It'll be interesting to see how Alex Mack does against his first division-foe-nose-tackle. |
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| So far, we've seen a lot of average ability from our linebackers. D'Qwell Jackson is supposed to be the defensive leader, but can he come up with the individual game-changing play (alas Ray Lewis last week against San Diego)? |
LB | |
The Ravens lost Bart Scott in the offseason, but just like they recovered last year when they lost Adalius Thomas, they have enough talent elsewhere to compensate for their losses. At the same time, they end up developing their youth into top-notch players. |
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| I'll get a better understanding of what type of coach Mangini is this week based on who plays the nickel back role. If it's Coye Francies, then I'll see that as progress over the Crennel era. |
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DB | |
This is Baltimore's weakest unit defensively, more so at the cornerback position. This is a good time to exploit Fabien Washington and Domonique Foxworth by going deep to Edwards early and often. |
| Without Phil Dawson this week, the usually-favored Browns category goes to "even". His replacement, Billy Cundiff, has only made 61% of his kicks beyond 30 yards in his career (55% from beyond 40 yards, 40% from beyond 50 yards). |
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ST | |
Chris Carr is a threat as a kick returner. This will be the first time in forever that Matt Stover and/or Phil Dawson aren't in a Browns vs. Ravens contest. |
This is a game of adjustments. Mangini and company have had two weeks of game footage to analyze and correct some of the issues we've had moving the football. It'd really be a tribute to our defense if our offense could muster at least one first-half touchdown.
Although the Ravens have an intimidating defense, they have been asking for a defeat. They played well offensively and defensively against the Chiefs in Week 1, but Kansas City managed to hang in the game until the fourth quarter. Last week, it looked like Baltimore had the Chargers comfortable put away, but Philip Rivers nearly led a comeback. Baltimore has the better team, but soon, their lack of playing a fully-polished game will come back to bite them. Could the Browns be the team that hands them their first defeat?
FINAL PREDICTION: Baltimore Ravens 23, Cleveland Browns 13.
CHRIS' RECORD IN PICKING BROWNS GAMES: 1-1
CHRIS' OVERALL NFL PREDICTIONS RECORD: 21-11
This is the official gameday thread for the Cleveland Browns in Week 3 as they take on the hated Baltimore Ravens. All comments regarding the game should be posted in this topic. Enjoy the game, and GO BROWNS!!!
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CLEVELAND BEATS BALTIMORE!
OK, maybe it was only baseball but we gotta take em any way we can get em!
Let’s hope the boys some fight this week and make it clear that the season isn’t over yet. Go Browns!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions
You are too generous
The Browns ST’s are much better than ours in the return game. Punting might be our advantage, but placekicking is a push if Dawson’s injured, advantage Cleveland if he plays. On the o-line, LT Jared Gaither was ill and didn’t practice all week but even if he doesn’t go, Michael Oher will slide over from the RT slot to play left. Once he’s had a couple of year, Oher will be one of the best LT’s in the game.
All in all, I only think my Ravens will score more than 23 and your Browns less than 13. The Ravens should cover as they have the fiirst two games, even though out of the three, they were 13+ point faves in two of them.
Stay healthy, that’s as much as I can offer. Thanks for the fair treatment,…this time.
PS- I made MaLoR promise to be good on our site. Perhaps you might consider unbanning him.
aka 'Rexx'
We must be pretty bad if Ravens fans are basically begging me to give the Browns the advantage in the one, measly special teams category ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a little bold to say that Oher will be the best LT in the game. I think that if he ends up being able to take the left, Gaither is better suited for being an RT anyway.
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris makes an excellent point about a “game plan” hopefully we have one to exploit one of the few weaknesses Baltimore has and that is the secondary. I think we see a different BQ today, I’m not saying a win, but I think we are going to be more competitive than we have showed thus far. Delusional some might say? lol… We will find out
Joey_D
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B.Quinn is the reason why the Browns ranks are low in stats.
Example 1. holding the ball to long on passing plays getting sacked multiple times.
Example 2. checking off on passing plays for LOSS yardage.
Example 3. three and out possesion; there for keeping the Defense on the field at lease three fourth’s of the time.
John St. Clair and Coach Daboll are the reasons Brady Quinn isnt doing good
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
For a team that had little hope or expectations for the playoffs this season, today’s game is the first “real” game for the Browns. I think the fans will be quite pleased with a 6-10 season if those wins come within the division. I know I will.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
I don’t see why this is disturbing? The fines were levied for actions the players were warned against.
The fact that they took the step to file a grievance against the coach, whether it was merited or not, bothers me.
What should bother people is that so little discipline exists on the team that they would flaunt the breaking of rules and then challenge the discipline to their union. It’s reported that this happened with the Jets and that Mangini never lost a grievance. I see that your are saying that Mangini is becoming as unpopular with Browns players as he was with Jets players. It may hurt performance for now.
Another thought: Maybe the day of the disciplinarian coach in pro football is over. There are so many gangsta and prima donna types now on every team, that it isn’t reasonable to challenge the culture. You don’t want to alienate the players’ union in general is that has larger ramifications on player acquisition.
Sorry but can someone explain grievances
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wait… is he injured?
massaquo better get some playing time as well.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
I saw that Pork Chop and Fraley are both inactive. Hadnot starting?
I also dont understand not activating Robiskie
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
GAMEDAY INACTIVES
Browns
The Cleveland Browns have declared QB Brett Ratliff, WR Brian Robiskie, OG Floyd Womack, CB Gerard Lawson, TE Greg Estandia, C Hank Fraley, RB Jamal Lewis, PK Phil Dawson inactive for Week 3.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what the heck is this? I thought Hadnot was ruled out and Fraley was going to start? I need to check if that one is a mistake…
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Thanks; was just a reporting error by whomever.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Healthy St. Clair ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Injured Womack/Hadnot. It wouldnt be any worse!
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie Casserly on CBS just reported that there is absolutely no truth to the story that Abram Elam was fined $1701 for a water bottle. He says another player was fined that amount for numerous incidents, something that Casserly said doesn’t sound out of reason.
Casserly also said that if Quinn doesn’t start making quicker decisions, Derek Anderson will become the starter (not necessarily this week).
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What, the water bottle story was all just press amplification and reporter hunger for bad news on a struggling team? Color me… unsurprised.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Robiskie being inactive for two straight weeks is enough to make me give up on Mangini. I’m not giving up on the Browns, but I have literally no confidence in this regime (which is only slightly worse than when they were hired). I am officially waiting in anticipation for the next regime, and hopefully a competent new owner with it.
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Condolences, kwoog. What a long two years you’re going to have….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? WR’s usually take a couple years before they even become effective in the league. I would like to get him reps now in a lost cause season, but it makes sense if he is clearly not ready.
Yeah, this is right. Overreaction on my part… but man, it’s just too easy to disagree with Mangini for me to have faith.
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I’m starting to hate him, and I’m hundreds of miles away.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Kwoog, I too am waiting…
Do you have any coaches on your watch list?
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I would have liked either Schwartz or Ryan. What I’d really like to see us do is get out of the Belichik and Ravens tree for both GM and coach… for the GM I’d really be in favor of (gulp) someone from the Steelers (not coaching, screw Arians and their D coordinator is off limits).
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I wouldnt mind the Ravens offensive Coordinator
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Here, here. Improvement and persistence!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll get an early look at our offensive gameplan…pray for the best.
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Sam play twice in a row. The quicker decisions Quinn makes, the better for now.
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Another Quinn/Edwards chemistry factor. Should’ve been a fairly easy recognition by both players that the corner sat there.
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while i was on my honeymoon, i think the browns and indians went a combined 1-16 or so. welcome back, me!
You are reading my signature.
Sorry it’s not a pretty picture for your homecoming….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the way to start a football game, eh?
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won’t link direct to it, but there is a great one on justin.tv
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
…and back up.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job by Harrison to get away from a possible huge loss there.
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Pressure comes, but that’s supposed to be understood heading into the game…seeing Quinn just fold as soon as a guy gets near him is frustrating.
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He has one target. Every set is 2 WRs (One of which is Cribbs…) and a bunch at the LOS. That means Braylon is double-teamed and you are stuck checking down non-stop. Not excusing Quinn in the least, but I’ve seen crayon drawings with more excitement than this playbook so far.
by Fundamentals on Sep 27, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What has happened to our blitzes? We’re back to engaging blockers rather than using momentum to run straight through the holes.
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+1 for Wimbley. I guess that’s progress.
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Yes, his one move worked that time.
by Fundamentals on Sep 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wimbley is like Zoolander…. many names, one move and when it works its magical
by kjc on Sep 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks to a double rush on the outside. That’s one of the adjustments I always wanted to see during the Crennel regime, but never did.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
In my game recap, at least I can pick this topic as something positive to focus on.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If your only positive is one sack by Wimbley, I’ll be very disapointed.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck, Chris. I don’t envy you.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
at least the indians aren’t losing. it’s 0-0 in the bottom of the first.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
actually tribe up 6-0, which is clearly more than the Brownies have scored.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The question becomes which team will score more today if the Tribe is at 6…
by Fundamentals on Sep 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
The Tribe missed that extra point, that may come back to haunt them later.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, just that probably won’t suffice.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pencil in two positives to write about…
1. Wimbley’s sack
2. Harrison
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at least it was past the first down marker
by Chief WaDrew on Sep 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the philosphy: they’re tough agaist the run, so let’s run on them; they’re weak against the pass, so be sure to avoid that.
Holy crud, even the Lions just scored a touchdown. By pass by the way.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
On that third down pass, one of the receivers on the right side should have stopped and run a comeback route, either to the middle or to the sideline. There wasn’t a Raven within 20 yards if they ran a comeback — it’s all about making an adjustment.
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we could use an experienced guy out there like a Langhorne or Brian Brennan.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They have a difficult time running the designed routes as is…it might be a little much to ask a receiver to make an adjustment mid-route
by Chief WaDrew on Sep 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that it is time to start drinking in earnest. Bukowski style.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
Woah, now you’re talking. I’m gonna go find a 5th of Old Crow and see what happens.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i find it very hard to believe that brady quinn is just this bad. i can’t see him doing anything other than being an nfl quarterback for a living. i dunno
i don’t want to believe it either, seeing as how i really wanted him to start. but now i’m starting to face the facts.
it’d be nice to get DA in there to see what he’d do. then we’d know if the problem is mainly quinn or the WRs, etc.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Argh. Thing is, I’m having a hard time arguing….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
personal trainer, probably
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
by BringBackKosar on Sep 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin.tv has a decent stream if anyone needs one
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
I feel like a bit of a traitor b/c I started the Ravens D on my fantasy team. It was either that or Atlanta’s D against the Pats. Am I a terrible fan?
Nothing wrong with that.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they should go for it., they would get it
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
We’re lucky to only be down this much.
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the sad thing is we cannot even carry on a rivalry with anyone because a rivalry would indicate that one side actually wins sometimes.
by Wil Cantrell on Sep 27, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
its weird to see 4 yards on first down
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
he had the first if he keeps running to the outside!
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that goes against the mission statement
by Chief WaDrew on Sep 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Following game on mobile phone. Quinn doesn’t “look” good, but it seems like our D is performing worse. Nearly 200 yards given up?
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by Spidey on Sep 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
D has finally broken.
I’m listening on the radio, using a bizarre duct-taped crossover portable transmitter to convert a radio getting the local AM station to an FM portable and headphones with the BRN.
It’s still ugly, and I’m starting to think I put more effort into the game than the Browns’ coaching staff.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile the Lions, the worse team in the league last year, are averaging 20 points a game this year, have scored MEANINGFUL touchdowns on offense, and are currently beating the Redskins.
Barton. wow. he ran away from the ball
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
i feel like i am windown shopping with no money in my pocket
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Punt after punt for our offense again, only to send our tired defense back out. Rinse and repeat.
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Why do I have a bad feeling Mangini’s going to trade one of the QBs and get a jump on stockpiling draft picks after this game? Same way the Indians got rid of Cliff Lee and Vic Martinez after they were out of the division title race.
and the ravens start the second half with the ball
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
this is making me sick watching it. they aren’t even competitive, they seemingly won’t be all year, and i’ll reiterate how huge of a douche gus johnson is. horrible football weekend, considering i’m also a PSU grad…
Ouch, dude. Sorry for ya. I had a pretty good weekend of college fb myself. Miami lost, my Yellow Jackets won, and we’re in position to take our division with a win over Virginia Tech in two weeks.
i’m glad someone has something to be happy about. maybe we should jump over to the GT blog, get a little positive energy.
Emily, I’m curious. Are you still holding out hope for Quinn with an OC that isn’t calling Pop Warner offensive plays?
I can see Daboll calling this same crap if DA were in.
Even when we go four wide, two of them are TEs. Are you kidding me?!
by Fundamentals on Sep 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
idk who pop warner is lol
i’ve pretty much given up hope right now for quinn. it’d be different if we saw something from him. but we’re seeing absolutely NO progress, nothing that indicates any improvement.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
I’m assuming that’s the conservative guess.
by Chief WaDrew on Sep 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, every team has their one “where the hell did THAT come from” game… aside from the Lions last year and they were in a lot of their games.
I blame Lerner more than anybody for hiring Mangini.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
Stupid Buckeye fans, can’t even watch an NFL game without talking about the Bucks. You sound like those people who say “I would like to see the national champs in college play the worst NFL team, them would win” Even the worst NFL team would destroy the best college team hands down. Stop demonstrating buckeye fans stupidity…
We’re depressed, genius. It’s called exaggeration.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My buddy at the game just saw DA start throwing
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he is throwing on the sidelines does not guarantee he will come in
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether its indicative of him or not, I’m just pissed off at Eric Mangini.
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Today in the NY Post, Darelle Revis spoke at length about how players just could not play under Mangini
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Billy Cundiff is going to be getting a paycheck this week for doing one kickoff at the start of the second half.
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wow
I really didn’t think Daboll and Quinn could get worse as a collective, but the offense is anemic. It stinks. The play calling his horrible. Dump passes will not win a game. They need to man up and either get Quinn to throw some deep passes or put someone in who can.
It looked like when the Ravens went for it on 4th and 1 in the 1st qtr the Browns had Rubin on the field instead of Rogers. Did my eyes deceive me?
its like watchin Commando
except they"re Arnold and we’re random henchman #3
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by BringBackKosar on Sep 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No reason for Quinn to take another snap. DA gives us a puncher’s chance, which is what we need. This is 2004 all over again.
No, I still play Quinn. After waiting so long to yank DA (when really we should’ve benched Braylon), Quinn needs to take these lumps. Call me a sadist, but the fans wanted this.
And DA’s not gonna lead a 20 point comeback.
just out of curiosity, why’s your picture brady quinn then? haha
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Ladies and Gentlemen......
Introducing the laughing stock of the NFL…..your 2009 Cleveland Browns. Dominated and humiliated by a bunch of over the hill ratbirds
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Sorry....
The inbred Steelers will crush them in the playoffs
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
What’s most disappointing to me right now is the defense. the tackling’s actually getting WORSE as the year goes on.
The one hopeful part of the time has cracked. Now what?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
…hopeful part of the TEAM. Sorry!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and take the Tribe with out. LOL
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Sorry take the Tribe with you
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
What a contrast, a NFL team and a CFL team. Embarrassing. This team is light years away from competing. The talent level of this squad is horrible.
i think a large portion of the blame is with the play caling i feel that they are holding quinn back for some inane reason.
Quinn was Captain Checkdown with ND team. He just had receivers that could run after catch. He did the same last year as well (watch the Broncos game again).
This is Brady Quinn, people. In all his glory. He’s ALWAYS played like this.
so what;s the next step then? DA aint the answer? thhat means we gotta daft another qb which means we are exactly where we are in 1999
i am going to a bar in queens. that cant be more depressing that this. . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Sep 27, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
or anybody else on this team!
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
Could it sometimes be just a matter of the QB? Bulger hasn’t done squat with the Rams, he leaves with an injury and Kyle Boller throws two quick touchdowns.
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No film on Boller
They haven’t been preparing for him.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Derek Anderson in — can’t say I’m crushed or anything.
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Okay, I feel a little sick now. Unless this is a “shape up” call to Quinn like when the Eagles benched McNabb (ironically against the Ravens) last year, I feel this is a HUGE mistake. On the road against one of the best defenses in the league, down three scores… you send in a guy who’s the antithesis of the offense you want to run?
This is going to be bad, people. Really bad. And just like last year, it won’t be DA’s fault.
by Michael Jay on Sep 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i could see it as a wake-up call. but it’s not going to help quinn’s confidence, that’s for sure.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
This is going to be bad
people. Really bad.and just like last year.
Fixed.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
False start on Edwards. I’m guessing that would’ve been a bomb for Edwards.
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Pretty poor adjustment route by Furrey. Oh well, I at least like that Anderson is more willing than Quinn to try to make a play on his own.
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Errrr... DA you might want to throw that away...imbecile
So I told her," I'll be nicer if you try to be smarter!'..That was a mistake.
There goes our weekly “second-half give up” against the run.
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this is what happens when you hire a coach who just got canned and basically give him complete control of the team…. anyone actually heard from George Kokinis lately?
And to make a further point, Lerner couldn’t hire Thomas Dimitroff b/c of Mangini’s hire. Dimitroff went to the Falcons who went to the playoffs last year and are currently giving the Patriots hell.
Chris – you seriously thought we could score 13 points on this team?
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
In garbage time, yes. Which we still may.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’m going to file a grievance against the Browns too.
by Bumblyjack on Sep 27, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Get DA out of there.
Maybe he’s purple/white color blind?
I can’t believe this. It is shocking to me to say this – after only, what, eight months? – but the Browns really have to consider firing Mangini and/or his staff. Can the ownership really stomach this for a full 16 games? Hell, can the fans?
I didn’t expect Mangini’s hire to bear fruit right away and it wouldn’t have surprised me if he faired poorly in his tenure with the Browns, but I never, I mean never, thought that it could go this poorly so soon.
Just got home after apple-picking with the wife. Just in time to see DA come into the game and throw that horrible pick. Should have picked more apples.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
somewhere, romeo crennel is laughing
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
by emily522 on Sep 27, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SUPER REC
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea.
if i was quinn, i’d be begging for a trade lol
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Myoplex, Subway, the man has a career in T.V.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
B.Qunn suck
They should’ve been put D.Andersonin from the begining.
by Nuts4359 on Sep 27, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
nice throw! i think that’s the longest completion we’ve seen all year.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
I just checked. That’s officially the longest offensive play all year. It would be the longest play period if Cribbs hadn’t scored against the Vikings.
Go ahead fans, boo on that play. Honestly believe that Ed Reed didn’t interfere.
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They’re Baltimore fans. What do you expect?
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
by woodsmeister on Sep 27, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I always wondered what it must be like to be a browns fan
now I know. I’m sorry for your team guys. hope things work out you have a better season this year.
How would you know? From reading some of these posts?
Are you a guy? If yes, have a friend kick you in the nuts as hard as you can. Repeat once a week for about 15 years. Then you’ll have an idea.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope we don’t do a sympathy field goal attempt if we don’t convert a third down.
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These orange arrows on nfl.com…they’re going down field. Repeatedly.
THIS HAS TO BE A MISTAKE.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
What is this “red zone” they speak of?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
I know who Steve Tasker is, but who the hell is Gus Johnson? They must have found this guy off the street in Baltimore and gave him a headset to announce the game. Figured they didn’t want to pay to send someone to a browns game! Poor Tasker, he was just there staring at the sky and they pulled him into it.
Gus Johnson is amazing and you will hold your tongue.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We all know how this is going to go. Let’s describe the only, true Cleveland way this turns out with DA in:
DA manages to make the offense look okay for a few series today, perhaps we score a few points. Mangini rewards DA, names him starter. DA looks decent for the span of a few weeks and we manage to win a game or two. Clevelanders start rejoicing over the DA-reincarnation. Then, either: (1) DA gets injured, or (2) DA reverts back to his old form, we lose out the season and destroy all hopes for all fans. We go into next year with a QB controversy.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
wow, that’s actually spot on.
i don’t think either of them are the long-term answer. but DA at least throws the ball more than 6 yards.
and i know, i was advocating quinn in week 1 and last week. but he didn’t do crap. if he had shown some progress, fine… but he looked even worse.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Let’s not hop on the bandwagon yet. DA didn’t punch that in the end zone.
I honestly would not be surprised if Quinn starts next week.
I should say that I don’t actually think/hope that all will happen. Just that it would all be rather “Cleveland” if it did.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello, last year. We barely got a chance to miss you….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he took a shot at the TD. I’m pretty sure Quinn would have curled up on the ground, and took the sack, seriously. He’s does it at least once a drive.
I’m pretty sure Edwards isn’t 10 feet tall though.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Another stat to note. If Jerome Harrison gets 50 more yards, he’ll have more than Jamal Lewis has had in his last TEN games.
Did you mean two games?
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought you meant TOTAL yards. Now, I assume you mean in an individual game.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
61% from beyond 30 yards, and he just barely gets it in! I guess that’s a win for him.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
now before next week’s game, mangini can say he KNOWS who will start at qb, but won’t reveal it until the start of the game. he can have a secret again! lol
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
by emily522 on Sep 27, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Quinn didn’t act so shy in the preseason, I just don’t understand why he folds like a lawn chair when a defender gets within 10 feet of him now.
Look who we friggn’ played in the preseason. He and DA both got merc’d against the Packers. He played against the 2nd stringers of the friggin’ Lions for crying out loud. Then he looked okay at best against the Titans D and the Titans are 0-2 and got blown up by the Texans last week.
Put Quinn in front of a REAL D and he’s folding.
This was well-played, if a little sad.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yay…a turnover. It’s a clean fumble based on the replay.
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hey chris,
for goat of the game can you just put “mangini and dabboll?”
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
I’ll have to see. I did Daboll last week, and I really do like to usually reserve it for players. I’ll probably go with a player and just stick to trashing Daboll/Mangini in the other sections.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all way too dramatic.
For as bad as we’ve been this decade…we DID make the playoffs in the past 10 years.
So. Let’s not go overboard here.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On Madden, Yes.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
DA will hitEdwardsRolle for an 80 yard TD
Fixed.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Chris, if we take a QB next year, will we have the record for most QBs drafted in a ten year span?
I’d doubt it. A lot of teams take fliers on QBs in the late rounds every year.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we should adjust the question to “taking QBs in the first round”
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
If DA leads Furrey it’s a first down.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
Someone slapped a submission hold on Mangini and he tapped out immediately.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 27, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we suck. What game have you been watching?
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news, at least I might be able to absolutely stick it to the fans here in DC, as Washington is currently down to Detroit and look absolutely terrible on offense. Again.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
Thatwould be a victory for Cleveland not to be the firstteam to lose to the lions
by steelerstyle on Sep 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it make you happy to troll here in our misery?
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
by woodsmeister on Sep 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Depressing stat of the day number 6 – Phil Dawson has kicked FGs for more yards than Brady Quinn has thrown for.
At least we’re not getting shut out like Tampa is.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
At least we’re notgetting shut out likeTampais.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Another bright spot.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i just had a terrible thought.
we’re on MNF vs. the ravens, right?
oh, man…
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
So, to pick up spirits, how’s everyone’s fantasy team doing?
I’m up 14 points and Drew Brees hasn’t even played yet. I think I’ve got this week wrapped up unless Larry Fitzgerald has a huge day for my opponent.
i’m down by 1 point, but 4 of my guys have to play.
i have an opinion question: would you start felix jones or deangelo williams?
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Williams. Jones will have more even split carries with Tashard Choice (GT ALUMNI!!) and the Panthers run the ball more.
It still annoys me. All you ever have to say are numbers.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you even make that throw unless you’re trying to rub it in?
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
So, what’s Gradkowski up to these days?
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
you know, that was typical DA. he looked good on the 1st drive so i said: “oh, he’s looking better than brady already!”. then he f*cks up.
i have no idea what to think of this QB situation now. i’m just baffled.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Yes. He plays for the Forces of Evil and Darkness in the Football Universe. He is tainted with Raven stink. He is dead to us.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
by woodsmeister on Sep 27, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT’S WHY DA SUCKS! HE’S A RAVENS SPY!
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell is Troy Smith making that throw?
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
Their form of wildcat or Flacco is done.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF are we going to do here? Tampa Bay in 1976 looked better than this. You have to start to think that God hates Cleveland.
0-16 really might be a possibility.
can’t intercept if you throw at the feet!
by Simmsinns on Sep 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I miss those guys.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya’ll didnt really expect to beat Ravens did ya ?? I’d be happy just to get a T.D. abd break that hex… then……..
well, i think we know now that quinn will start next week. mangini made himself look like a bigger dumbass than he already is by putting DA in…
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
That switch totally blew up in his face.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Quinn to start - and then to be pulled in the second half for Ratliff.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 27, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland is sucking
Notre Dame is sucking
At least my high school still has a shot at winning state!!
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
ND’s entire claim to being ranked in the preseason was an easy schedule, not by any of their own merits.
They did have there 3 best players hurt though, if you didnt know that.
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lions are playing the Redskins tough
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lions about to win!!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think its better that the browns become Detroit’s first win?
by steelerstyle on Sep 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
by woodsmeister on Sep 27, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Truly we are the most accursed of men.
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Sep 27, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
That’s like asking which hurts worse…. getting kicked in the nuts or punched in the nuts.
Both suck but Anderson might have edged him.
Kicked. You can generate more energy with your leg.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns are no longer a franchise, so we no longer have a blog site. The browns have been moved into the Canadian league
We would still have a losing record there
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I always been proud that the Browns don’t have cheerleaders but damn…I NEED SOMETHING TO WATCH while the Browns are on the fields!
mangini is going to have fun explaining the switch to the media.
“um, yes. i benched the guy who went 6-8 with one interception for the guy who threw 3. but uhh… he led us to a field goal, right?”
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
Mooncamping for GM/Coach!
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Sep 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We’ll be called the Cleveland Aregiubfvuivbwuicbewuiofn2wuifbw2uidncuibf!
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Either the Cleveland Freaky Flankers, or the Cleveland Fullbacks
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
At least then all our linemen will be of correct proportions at each position that requests a certain body type.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
cue cry of existential despair!
I know how men in exile feed on dreams of hope. (Aeschylus, Agamemnon)
by portland, oregon on Sep 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
DA was playing like DA. There’s you excuse.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Offensive TD's
If it weren’t for that “gimme” TD the Vikings gave us in week 1 we would now be 9 straight games without an Offensive TD!!!
by BROWNS GREATEST SEASONS 1996 1997 1998 on Sep 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
You have the most blunt name I’ve ever seen in my existence on this blog.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks, but since 1990 my log-in name stands true…no?
by BROWNS GREATEST SEASONS 1996 1997 1998 on Sep 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG! QUINN THREW A PASS TO ROYAL FOR A TD!
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re the best team with the worst record so far. Kinda funny.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue the Jags, should they lose this game (they’re currently winning, but Texans are in the red zone).
The titans are better than the jags
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes no sense. The game is over, what are you commenting?
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve been trippin’ on that all morning.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So this means we have the longest winless streak in the NFL now, right? *pending the Lions outcome.
Flat out embarrassing.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
No, if the Lions win they stand at 19 consecutive loses.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but their winless streak ends. We would have the longest running streak. That’s what I meant.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Sep 27, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell em thanks for the shitty coach.
by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
kolb for DA?
wait. no. philly would get the crap end of that deal lol.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
idk if vick could handle being on the browns. our mascot is a dog, afterall.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
The problem isn’t the dogs. It is the fact that we are in the NFL and Vick isn’t a good NFL QB, even before he spent two years in prison instead of on the football field. Now, he is a circus side show.
i, personally, don’t like vick at all for what he did. i know he “served his time”, but every time i hear him “apologize” it sounds fake to me. you’re talking to an animal lover here, though.
he could throw 30 TDs in a season and i wouldn’t want him on this team. can’t stand him.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
OMG Anyone see that last second Favre TD??!!! WOW
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
Is it sad that I want the Bengals to beat the Steelers so the state of Ohio isn’t a total embarassment?
It’s sad that you don’t want the Bengals to drill the Steelers because they’re the Steelers.
"But people are stupid, and their memories are short." - FredOx
by woodsmeister on Sep 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well, like always, the best we can do is hope for change. brady’s our qb for this year, so we’ll have to stick it out. hope he gets better, because if he doesn’t we’re back to square one and this whole cycle starts again. we now know that DA can’t do better, and i feel pretty dumb for momentarily losing my judgment about him lol. (although in my defense, he did look better than quinn on the FG drive. it was downhill from there, though.)
i’m very excited to see mangini’s press conference. it should be very… interesting, to say the least.
it’s been nice talking to you guys. even when we lose, the sarcastic comments make my day! haha.
*browns.buckeyes.cavaliers.indians.packers.*
I feel like smacking around a few hapless office workers, then delivering a 360 degree spinning piledriver to Brian Daboll. Directly onto concrete. I said a while back that I thought he was a bluffer and each game just makes me feel more made up on that initial perception.
This offense is not that bad. But yanking Quinn in favour of DA has absolutely killed it. One of them should start the rest of the season and I would go wiith DA and a whole change in our offensive ideas, which as it stands are doing really well if the goal is to not score any points.
by Terrible Terry Tate on Sep 27, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
Cleveland Browns Stadium
When Cleveland put up the new stadium in back in 1998/9 did they reroute all the water lines into the stadium? Apparently there is something in the water in the new stadium since 1999 because no matter what regime we bring in to coach, they just can’t get it done (i.e. they lose their football minds).
That and the players look lackluster…NO FIRE IN ANY OF THEM!!!
There is something in the water!!!
by BROWNS GREATEST SEASONS 1996 1997 1998 on Sep 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
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