TIME FOR THE REVOLT...CALLING ALL BROWNS FANS!!
by Locnar on Sep 27, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
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I consider myself a rational man. I also have spent the past 11years as a season ticket holder watching my Beloved Browns crash and burn 9 out of the 11 years.. I have supported them when others around me have left. My friends smirk at me when I told them I would be purchasing tickets this year knowing that I would be throwing my money way.
I stuck up for the Lerner family all this time. Siting everything from being screwed by the NFL, to just plan bad luck. But I think this is it. No I don't want to quit cheering for my team, Or not suport them. I don't think this is an answer. I think what we need is a Revolt... A fan revolt. Its time to call Randy out. We as fans need to organize and show Lerner who the Browns fans are.. And were not taking this second class treatment any more!!!
We were the most powerful fans in the NFL.. hows that? We got a team back faster then any other city in history. We kept the name and colors. We Fought the NFL and won.
How do we do it? Disruption? Voicing our anger in some form. I was looking at the Bengals group site..
http://whodeyrevolution.typepad.com/whodeyrevolution/2008/09/bengals-fan-or.html They have the right idea. If they could do it why can't we?
BTW.. those who think I'm over reacting.. I read this morning that the players have filed 6 Grievances against Mangini in the past week... Sound like a team going in the right direction? No it sounds like a team that has lost faith in there coach.. I know its only 3 games in.. but come on now.. Were going downhill fast and now we swapped qbs?
The team is in turmoil.. This needs to be addressed.. WERE ALL ANGRY.. and TIRED OF LOOSING..
As far as who or what.. I don't know.. I just revert back to the old days with the "JUMP ART" Signs everywhere..
Anyone got any ideas??? Or maybe someone already started something like that .. can I help promote it in some way? I just know its time to come out and SAVE OUR BROWNS.. one more time..
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Don’t go to browns games, that would help. If you do…‘bag head’ it or picket outside. At this point a local black out would be a blessing, anyways.
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 27, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, you are still wrong. That wouldn’t help at all.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we as fans can file a grievance with the NFL….lol
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 27, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for your continued interest in our Cleveland Browns. Please be patient with our new head coach as he molds these young men into champions. It won’t be long until our team assumes first place in the Barclays Premier League. On behalf of Eric Mangini and the Browns we thank you for your support. Go Browns.
Sincerely,
Randy Lerner
by elsandito on Sep 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why do people hate Lerner for putting money into AVFC? They will bring him more return than the Browns ever will, have every bit as good a fanbase, and play the biggest sport in the world.
Besides, Lerner spending isn’t the problem here.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s probably just masked jingoism.
The problems with Lerner are that he has no management skills nor an eye for talent.
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by kwoog on Sep 28, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I inject a little humor by implying that Lerner is too dense to know the difference between the leagues and now I’m labeled as broken socially.
by elsandito on Sep 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no, I was addressing fwembt’s (accurate) notion that people complain about his soccer club. Your parody was funny.
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by kwoog on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was going after you. Just making the same point in a different way.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grow some balls
Our patience ran out 2 yrs ago…..Quit trading away our rockstar players and get us a real coach. Not some dipshit that gets excited on a 6-3 win. You want to excite us show us more than 2-17 and 23 yards. Were better off going 1-15 to get a good draft pick, even the we would probably trade up…By the Way___pay cribss what he deserves, why piss off the only player that keeps the Browns exciting week in and week out!!!
by SipedUp on Oct 18, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could always give your remaining tickets for the year to orphans or kids with cancer, and use the time you normally spend on the Browns doing something to help others. And then, next year, take the money you normally spend on season tickets and donate it (and your Sunday afternoons) to your favorite local charity.
by e.c. matter on Sep 27, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We do need to do something about OUR FOOTBALL TEAM! We as Cleveland Browns Fan’s Deserve soo much better. I have seen pee wee football players play much better than this crap that we have been seeing on TV. This team has so many problems with Coach’s,Offence and Defence as a whole. Who’s starting next week at QB? Mangini is worse than Romeo. This guy and his bunch of idoits that he calls Coach’s need ran out of Cleveland. I think We the fans could do much better play calling than Mangini. I remember back to the late 80’s when the Browns were The Power House of the AFC Central. And with the coaching we have had since 1999 I don’t know if we will ever be a Power House again. I just hope we all get to see the day Our Beloved Browns are back on top and maybe a chance to Win a SuperBowl
by MadDog09 on Sep 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…bunch of idoits that he calls Coach’s….
Um, yeah.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 28, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idoits? YOU doits! He’s a doit, she’s a doit, we’re all doits HEY!
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by Adrock2099 on Sep 28, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With their luck a boycott would just force them to sell the team to Vancouver or Vegas and leave the taxpayer paying for a stadium that doesn’t even have a friggin’ roof on it. We fought for the name, and the poo brown uni’s, and a new stadium WITH NO FRIGGIN’ ROOF ON IT.
Can’t even bring in extra revenue or a Super Bowl without a roof.
Anyways, the issues are right there in front of our face.
I say that Clevelanders buy the team, rename them to the DAWGS (the mean, sniveling, heel-nipping, slobbering, mean kind), and move on.
And no I’m not joking. (I posted a supportive, yet angry rant elsewhere and it never got posted – page 404 error…).
Been a fan for 40 years, and now even though I’m living in San Diego (who has a decent team), I still root for the Clowns every season.
Maybe it’s time for a radical shift in what Cleveland wants and deserves.
Might as well take back the power before it’s too late, and you’re left sweeping up the pieces.
by Siriusbliss on Sep 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m loving the idea of Vancouver getting a team. How random! Also, changing our name to the “DAWGS” would be the most hilariously stupid thing done by anyone. Ever. The whole point of the dawgpound concept was that it was this unofficial thing that our defense started and a group of insane fans picked up on. If anything, I’d like for us to use the little elf guy more often.
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by Adrock2099 on Sep 28, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that little ‘fairy’ would certainly be more suitable right now…
by johnnyphoenix on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “fairy” won more championships, than any “dawg”.
by cboldt12 on Sep 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you think that “the issues” of this team is that we need to have the team city owned and named the Dawgs? Points for creativity, but otherwise you are pretty ridiculous.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owned by the city would definitely make better business/leadership decisions. As with all collectives ;D
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by kwoog on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah because
cleveland is just thriving right now
by SipedUp on Oct 18, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don´t know if you´re serious, but you do have a few valid points there.
If the stygma of the returned but not the same Browns is a factor, you may be right in calling for a new identity. And Dawgs is indeed a pretty cool mascot. The simple Brown helmets do seem a bit spartan in the design sector. I would however not cut myself off from the legacy, because it is rich. I am a firm advocate of saying “this is our time”, while valuing tradition and heredity, we should have our own rules, our own money, our own property, architecture, infrastructure, rituals, ect…our own team. Browns to Dawgs is a huge shift, though. You have to be absolutely certain.
A community owned team is also interesting. Although I do see the need for management and a constituency that can make unpopular decisions if deemed prudent.
One way to approach this, would be to sell shares. A majority share by private citicens, would give Clevelanders some say in the decision making. It would also help the franchise, by making it less arduous to make a profit. I also like the idea of a regional or city quarters representation through athletes, you know counties and districts placing athletes they can identify with, a home component so to speak. I do dig getting athletes from all over the nation, though, makes it more cosmopolitan, and college team supporters can continue supporting athletes they like with the Browns.
Another thought I had in the same vein, would be to form an alternate football team. A team the Browns have to play every year, a team that will face anyone and everyone. The best players from this parallel team could become Browns. You know, something to raise the competitive spirits. They could be called the Dawgs.
I do vote yay, for the Dawgs name change, though.
Keep it up, we live in times where changed realities signal change and resolve.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The above in response to Siriusbliss
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To call for a revolt, when you´ve been simply supporting the wrong players, is a bad diversion. Mangini is a new head coach, and as such he has not exhausted his ability to surprise. I think he has been very courageous in his roster moves, and entertaining the fan´s wishes, even if they are wrong.
He needs to be stronger in assessing himself as a broken branch from the Patriots coaching tree, I think he is very distinct, and not a Belichik disciple, but his own man. He is very intelligent with an even temper, and he´s the type of guy who can find novel ways to implement what the right people are asking for.
Let him take the new coach, new everything dynamic to fruition, and we will be in the win column within a few more games.
by mooncamping on Sep 28, 2009 7:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree but...
the problem is the players.. who will come in and play for this guy? He is insane with power.
Listen… I backed this guy like the majority of the fans thinking we needed more discipline. But now we have the task master running this team. Its not working.
And no I did not expect a playoff year, but I expected slow steady improvement.. This has been a disaster.
I’m looking into starting some sort of REVOLT site.. were we can get ideas and possibly work on leaning on Lerner. It’s gotta stop.. We’ve taken this to long.. Fix it or sell the team…
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that’s a great idea. Creating a website filled with angry Browns fans will really teach Lerner a lesson! I’m sure he is very interested to hear everyone’s opinion of the team.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point we might as well use Mooncamping’s crazy ideas, as the entertainment value would be much higher than the current team, and our play couldn’t possibly be worse anyway.
by L Train on Sep 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no heart, no drive, no end in sight...
so tired of blown coverage, horrible ridiculous play calling, bad clock management, no running game, a whole group of sorry QB’s, and Braylon flashing that f*@$king blue and gold mouthguard. A revolt is due – now! This is our team – we fought for them before and Lerner needs to know we will not stand for this crap. Get the bags out. Call Lerner out if you see him in public. There are some players that need to go and take some of these coaches with them!!
Let me know where the revolution is starting and we will be there!
by browndawgbacker on Sep 28, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
under no circumstances should anyone ever call Lerner out in public — or anyone else, for that matter. that is completely ridiculous and beyond the pale…he is a private citizen, doing the best job that he can. if you think that he’s not upset about the losing, well, then you’re an idiot.
this is football, it’s not life or death. calling for people to verbally abuse randy lerner is absurd and embarassing.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 28, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really??!!
I’m sorry – I thought this was a football blog and these were “comments” on a post about a revolt – no crap no one should call Lerner out in public – only an idiot would take that seriously ! It’s called venting frustration. Get over yourselves folks – like Buckeye Brad likes to repeat – no one from the organization is reading this or giving a crap one way or the other what the fans think they should do. Everyone here thinks they are a dang sports writer for ESPN.
by browndawgbacker on Sep 30, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does it matter who is reading any of this?
by e.c. matter on Sep 30, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have dignity.
And you have no right to quote BB. He trumps you a million times over.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, our biggest problem now is that Braylon Edwards supports his alma mater. Fix that and we’re 3-0.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because you should be able to wear another teams color while in uniform. Now that shows team spirit and cohesion. Maybe we should just let them do whatever they want since they have proven how devoted they are….
by browndawgbacker on Sep 30, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s his alma mater. I can name a player from every sport who does that. It’s not as if Edwards is a Brown but wants a trade to Michigan. It has literally no bearing on the way he plays. He doesn’t need to prove how devoted he is, it’s a business, not a fraternity.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that no one would complain if it were any other school than Michigan. Dumb complaint, move on.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Michael Jordan hated the Bulls. He wore UNC shorts underneath his uniform every game!!!
by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 1, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the petty “revolting” to Detroit and Cincinnati fans. It doesn’t work. It looks really bad for the city, the fans, and the team.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now Detroit and Cincy are better teams then us…
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not because a few of their more uneducated fans blathered about on the internet.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I give some credit to the Detroit fans.. at least they fought back.. were just going to lay down I guess at let it go.. Were use to loosing now?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean they “fought back”? Please tell me what the fans did that helped the Lions win a football game.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We´ll never know. But something happened, and it´s safe to assume it was instigated by Lions fans.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think fans are at times completely delusional over how much anyone cares about their opinion. revolts and protests and things of that sort helped bring a team back to cleveland. that is a rare circumstance. tell me how revolting all of the sudden makes things better? randy lerner wants to win to bring more money to his bank account, through ticket sales, jersey sales, tv coverage, whatever gets him money. he may want the fans to be happy, but feeling like we have anything to do with ANY of his decisions, or that he’ll make major changes within a professional organization because we bitch and whine and say “we’re tired of being losers” is absurd.
additionally, how strong is your argument when you use the detroit lions as your champion of fan revolt. one win in forever is hardly a goal.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What in the heck are you talking about? What happened? The Lions won ONE game. It was bound to happen eventually — they weren’t going to go 0-16 again, just like the Browns aren’t going to go 0-16 this season. But if you honestly think that anything the Lions fans did to “revolt” after last season helped them win this past Sunday then you are even more delusional that I thought. Nothing happened. The Lions were going to win a few games this season no matter what the fans in Detroit did.
I root for the Browns because I enjoy watching football and they’re my hometown team, not because I think that my rooting for them has any impact on their success or failure. If I stopped rooting for them tomorrow it would have absolutely no impact on the state of the team. Anyone who thinks their actions as fans can impact the outcomes of their team needs to get a life.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much for wearing my lucky skivvies on game day.
by JustBob on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem with that, because the reality is that you’re doing that for yourself. It makes you feel good about the game. You’re not starting a “JustBob’s Lucky Underwear and Fan Revolt” website.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would visit that site. I’m particularly interested in lucky underwear (btw, a good name for a band.)
by drjeo on Sep 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all need to loosen up as the losing continues.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, they didn’t fight back. They gave up on football. They quit. They stopped showing up. It made their fanbase look fickle and weak.
We aren’t used to losing, we just aren’t going to quit because we have had a bad season.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 28, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idiots really come out in droves when you get off to a bad start. Most of this just makes me faintly embarrassed to be a Browns fan.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we sit by and wait…. wait for how long? 10 more years? We have waited and suffered for too long now.
What are we waiting for? Look around us? Listen to what other players,coaches, writers all around the country are saying.. Mangini is not the answer. The good players we have will leave. It’s already hard enough as it is to bring in good players. So I guess the plan would be rebuild thru the draft? Great! How many draft choices have made it for us so far? Were really looking for a miracle here..
Idiots are the ones waiting around hoping for a change..
0-3 is a bad start yes.. but 0-3 and getting blown out each game? then having the Coach with all the answers desperately hits the panic button and throws in the what he considered the lesser of two evils as QB hoping that it would fix things??
I’m asking for people to send a message to Lerner.. The honeymoon is over!! Get your nose out of the Soccer team and fix our football team!!!
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have waited and suffered for too long now.
You suffered? There are millions of people in this world who don’t have enough to eat every day, don’t have a place to sleep at night, don’t have access to health care, and many other problems that we can’t imagine. Those people are suffering. If you’re suffering because the football team you root for isn’t winning games then you need to adjust your priorities.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes its only football.. but is this a football forum or a united nations summit?
The point is this is about football..
I guess the wording should have been.. the Browns have made the past 10 years a bit discomforting? Is that better?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should pass a non-binding resolution condemning the Browns Organization for crimes against sport. I bet it’ll pass 162 – 3, with only the U.S., Israel and Guam voting against.
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by kwoog on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can sanction Lerner — he’s not allowed to leave his house for a week!
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Phil Savage emailed that to a fan who was complaining about him during last year’s Buffalo game.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. i did not get the buffalo thing until you reminded me of that. gotta rec that.
by emily522 on Oct 1, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still wonder how people got hold of Savage’s email.
Anyone got Mangini’s email? Just, y’know, remind him, that he’s Head Coach.
by skipkirk on Oct 1, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesnt send Email. It would give away information
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 1, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, AVFC plays football. Again, idiotic ranting about a plan that has less than no chance of making any impact makes me embarrassed to be associated with you.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, we all know that the state of Ohio and the city of Cleveland has the wherewithall to put the best bodies on the field. I think the evidence is in, that it is not the players represented on the Browns roster. We´re just witnessing what happens, if you buy into other peoples´ scouting reports, If you feel obliged to get your share of hyped players to influence fantasy, Madden and sports writers.
Let´s make stars, not buy them.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you taking the “draft only buckeyes” approach that we’ve heard here before? Brad doesn’t even advocate that, and he’s got “Buckeye” in his name.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don’t get what he’s saying. Does he think the Browns should search the state of Ohio looking for hidden football talent that no other team knows about? Does he think there’s a lot of guys who could be playing in the NFL right now but nobody has found them yet?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohio football – the untapped resource.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all. Although there might be a type of farm system evident through Ohio High School football through the Buckeyes and other Ohio college teams, and potentially on to the Browns and Bengals, that´s not what I´m talking about.
I think a franchise with the history of the Cleveland Browns has enough connections to all colleges in the nation, to procure the best national talent. We weren´t born yesterday, you know.
Could the farm system be implemented, so that we sign the best free agents from the state of Ohio, irrespective of the draft? Probably, but that´s guerilla tactics.
by mooncamping on Sep 30, 2009 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a franchise with the history of the Cleveland Browns has enough connections to all colleges in the nation, to procure the best national talent.
Do you have any idea how NFL team aquire talent? At all? Most college talent is aquired by teams through the annual draft, and the history of the Browns has absolutely nothing to do with their draft position. That is where the best college players are selected. Of course, any players who isn’t drafted is a free agent and can sign with any team, but if they didn’t get picked in the seven rounds of the draft then they probably aren’t that good to begin with. So the amount of history the Browns have has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to acquire college talent.
You seem to think that there are these former college football players walking the streets that nobody knows about who could help the Browns. That’s simply perposterous. The Browns aren’t going to win by finding these “hidden talents” — in Ohio or anywhere else — which no other teams knows about. They’re going to build a team by drafting smart and signing free agents to fill in their holes. Every teams has scouts roaming the country looking at football players to help their team, so there aren’t guys roaming the streets who everybody missed that will magically help the Browns get better. That’s just not logical.
Seriously, please stop wasting our time with comments like this. If you have no idea how the NFL works then why are you bothering to post here.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 30, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t true. I saw a documentary about how the Eagles found Mark Wahlberg, who’s really good at football. We should hold a tryout. I think that would solve our problems. I’ll send a copy of the movie to Browns Stadium.
by Nat on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should sign the Funky Bunch.
by e.c. matter on Sep 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hilarious. we need Green Man at the stadium and on the travel team.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is, and I mean this sincerely, the most illogical thing you have posted yet.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone has this idea that he touches himself while he’s watching his soccer team but cares nothing for the Browns. please explain to me why people think they know this man enough to be able to make this assumption? if you disagree with his decision, okay, so do i on some of them. but i don’t blame it on some obsessive soccer crush.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. An owner shouldn’t be involved in the day-to-day operations of the team anyways so why does it matter? I wonder if the fans of his soccer team in Europe complain about him owning an NFL team and think that takes away from his time with their team.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the fans of his soccer team in Europe complain about him owning an NFL team and think that takes away from his time with their team.
Not really, they mostly view it as an amusing little hobby he has. He pays and they aer good, so the supporters are happy.
by fwembt on Sep 29, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what
makes me embarrassed to be a browns fan? the team and organization. not fans who are sick and tried of this garbage.
by TJ3117 on Sep 28, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, posts like this makes me embarassed to be a Browns fan. If anyone thinks that creating a “fan revolt” website will actually fix any of the Browns’ problems and help them win games then they are delusional.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. What a collection of morons. Passion without any semblance of intelligence.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
collection of morons?
you’re talking about the browns organization and coaching staff right?
by TJ3117 on Sep 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but yet you had to throw down the insult card.. Who’s the moron now?
Passion is football.. I guess your happy with the past 10 years?
Are you a season ticket holder? Do you pay out every year to watch this team loose time and time again?
I go to these games.. and never boo or bitch or complain.. But my god man.. how much is enough?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you’re not whining on some website doesn’t mean you’re happy with the Browns the past 10 years. But we try to discuss football intelligently here, and calling for a fan revolt isn’t going to change anything.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, send me your tickets and quit going. I’ve paid to watch to this team quite a bit, but starting some half-brained plan to quit because you think that will make a difference is nothing short of painfully naive.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think because you go to the games that you’re more of a fan than me because i don’t go? bullshit. not everyone has the time, money, or more importantly, geographic ability to go, but we love the browns every bit as much as any other fan. you’re no more of a fan than me, and i think “revolting” is juvenile and unrealistic.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sitting around and not doing a damn thing worked OHhhh so well huh?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it did. You need to understand that creating some stupid website isn’t going to have any affect on anyone in the Browns organization. They’re going to do what they think is right whether or not the fans like it (which is what they should do). Believe it or not, they know a heck of a lot more about doing their job than you do.
Also, this current management team had nothing to do with the past 10 seasons so you can’t hold them responsible for what has happened in the past. Trust me — I’m as frustrated as anyone with the Browns’ results this decade. But acting like an idiot isn’t going to help.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, creating a critical website would indeed be more productive, than your useless pandering.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. brad is one of the most logical, reasonable people on the enitre blog.
2. you are one of the most illogical, irrational people on the blog.
3. explain how you think he’s pandering.
4. explain a detailed plan for how the “Cleveland Tea Party” will change the organization.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could tap a guy with the Browns organisation, or several, who read and relay to the organisation, anything of interest on the Browns on the web and media.
How about a fan representatives, a type of council to the Browns?
Some respected fans should write letters suggesting something like that.
by mooncamping on Sep 30, 2009 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m sure the front office is going to be real receptive to fans writing a letter suggesting they can help the team. Since fans are always so well-informed and know so much more about the team than the GM and the coaches do, I’m sure that they will be glad to hear we’re offering our services. After all, every great GM makes his move based on what the fans want him to do. That’s how you win championships.
While you’re at it, why don’t your write a letter to President Obama telling him your ideas about health care reform and the war in Afghanistan. I’m sure he’ll appoint you to a cabinet position immediately. Maybe then you can write GM with your ideas of how to improve their automobiles.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 30, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
outstanding reply. i would add, moon should start a weekly column on this site offering suggestions on how we, as average american families, can stretch our dollars and better save for the future. maybe a weekly recipe column with tips on how to properly prepare meals.
“Most people look at things as they are and say ‘why?’; mooncamping looks at things he doesn’t understand, comes up with a hairbrained scheme he thinks will fix it, and says ‘why not?’”
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good way of putting it. We all are focused on the why, and moon is focused on the why not.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it wouldn’t. No GM with even one iota of brain power makes decisions based on what a fan website says. Given the writing ability of the people advocating this idea I find it laughable to think that anyone would be able to decipher it.
by fwembt on Sep 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RANDY LERNER YOU NEED TO SELL THE TEEM. WE ARE LOOSING TO MUCH AND WE CANT TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 29, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Watch it buster! Your lackluster reporting isn´t exactly Pulitzer either.
by mooncamping on Sep 30, 2009 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can, at the very least, use the English language. I may not have a Pulitzer, but I am a published writer, so I’d say I’ve got a bit more ability to write than you do.
This entire discussion is absurd. The Browns FO doesn’t care what a fansite says (apologies Chris), it certainly won’t care what a fansite says if it is written so poorly as to be barely decipherable.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To call for a revolt, etc…., is nuts. You could have Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry and Chuck Noll on this staff and struggle to get a win. The Roster is weak. Besides Joe Thomas, Rogers and Jackson, what players look like pro bowl caliber? Cribbs as a return man maybe, other than that, this team is in need of players.
This is going to take some time, a long time. Mangini is going no where at least for two more years.
by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Close, not yet, but you can’t tell me he is not a good LB
by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t argue that. He’s just clearly not Pro Bowl.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He´s a heat seeker, nothing more. On a bad defense, he will look good.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All those coaches had one thing this guy does not.. The respect of the players..
7 grievances in a week about this guys actions is too much..
no respect. no one will come here no one will stay.. think things a bad now.. wait till Cribbs, Edwards walk.. throw on Dawson for good measure..
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one will come here no one will stay.
and for more fine information, please visit our newly remodeled hyperbole department.
Free agents come to a franchise for two essential reasons:
1) Money
2) Opportunity to play.
Liking the coaches is way down on that list. By all reports, Romeo was immensely popular and respected by the players here and elsewhere. How many top-drawer free agents did you see lining up to play for him?
by drjeo on Sep 28, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from one extreme to the other.. Crennel was to soft on them.. I agree. I wanted disipline.. but come on now.. If Mangini came in with a superbowl ring or even a couple playoff wins and did what he is doing now then it prob would fly.. But these guys have no respect for him.
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know it’s an oft-cited comp, but bill belichick had zero super bowl rings (as a head coach) going into NE. he seems to have done ok marshaling respect there.
for the record, belichick was 36-44 as cleveland’s head coach, and went 5-11 in his first year as the pats’ head man. before people get riled up, i’m not suggesting mangini is our belichick (even though we already had one), but out of disaster can come greatness.
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post. A voice of reason in the wilderness!
by drjeo on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini didn’t seem to have problems attracting free agents when he was with the Jets, did he? Do you think he suddenly forgot how to coach when he moved to Cleveland?
Players will respect a coach who wins games. If the Browns win then the respect will come. It’s about wins and losses, not some vague idea of respect of the players (which you don’t even know about, anyways, since I’m sure you’ve never been in the browns locker room or spoken to any Browns player).
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor did mangini have an issue attracting former jets to play for him here in cleveland.
money, opportunity
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, who really cares about free agents? We play in the AFC North, we better not be relying on free agency to compete. And yes, I mean relying at all on free agency.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Sep 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free agency is a fancy descriptor. What we should do is trade, irrespective of who seems available. The bank does not close for regular season, and two parties in agreement can swing a deal at any time.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
www.lowbrowsophisticate.com
by kwoog on Sep 29, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
time will tell.. I hope your right.. but i really Really doubt it..
Lets face it.. Mangini had a couple strikes against him before he even got here..
He is hated in NFL, MEDIA, AND pretty much the rest of football.. I had hoped he would be able to use the tactic of renegade.. draw his players in with a “its us against the rest of the NFL” But no, he alienated them.. He needs to back off… and fast..
He is loosing this team..
Its not much.. but its all we got..
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, who cares what the media thinks? Secondly, how do you know Mangini is hated by the rest of the NFL? Once again, if he is so hated by all of his players then why did so many of his former players come here to Cleveland to play for him? You’re just making up things based on absolutely no facts.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point me in the direction of ANYTHING positive on this guy. ANYTHING that has been reported in the past.. And I will tell you your right.. outside of the Cleveland Area..
I agree with you on the media… to a point.. you got your haters and naysayers but when you got the ENTIRE MEDIA telling you how bad this guy sucks.. as in NATIONAL MEDIA.. well why?? Why is it? Why was this guy hated soooo bad?
Was Crennel hated? Butch? Palmer? Belicheck was loved compaired to this guy.. WHY?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANYTHING positive? How about winning 3 rings as an assistant in New Engald. How about leading a 4-12 team to a 10-6 season and a playoff appearance in one year? How about 2 winning seasons in 3 years as a head coach?
And not that the media means anything at all. They like good and bad coaches. They hate good and bad coaches. Who cares? But, to prove how fickle they are- the media dubbed him “Mangenious” after beating the Patriots with what was thought to be a bad Jets team.
by Ryan Kelsey on Sep 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the media dubbed him "Mangenious" after beating the Patriots with what was thought to be a bad Jets team.
Excellent point. Mangini was getting the same love that Rex Ryan is getting now during his first year with the Jets.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not on me to prove anything — you’re the one who said that everyone in the NFL hates Mangini. Where is your proof? I’m not talking about the media, I’m talking about players, coaches, front office people, etc. You’re the one who made the claim so the burden of proof is on you.
Peronally, I don’t try to assume that I know things about people that I don’t so that’s why I refrain from making statements about people who I don’t know. I just wanted you to be able to back up your statements, and so far you have not.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by national media do you mean ESPN, who will tell you Ben Toothlessturder is the best QB to ever play the game of football?
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who gives a flying -- about the media
by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct. The Jets defense is essentially Mangini’s right now.
by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait till Cribbs, Edwards walk.. throw on Dawson for good measure..
If they can’t get with the program, then good riddance.
by e.c. matter on Sep 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. At this point, I wouldn’t mind at all if Edwards walked.
by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either. He clearly isn’t eloquent enough to convince Daboll to get the ball in his hands. I want a more erudite team.
by fwembt on Sep 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ravens quotes after the game indicated the obvious, they are double and triple teaming Braylon, and we have absolutely no one else for them to worry about.
It’s hard to be mad at Braylon for not getting the ball, nor the O coordinator even for not getting him the ball. The entire focus on D is to stop Braylon from catching the ball because literally no one else can do anything.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point. Strong evidence that nobody is worried about Cribbs at receiver, much less Furrey. If MoMas and Robiskie are genuinely worse than these guys, then the Browns did waste two draft choices. It’s a long season and there is time for the team to get better. Nobody with any sense of perspective expected this team to be good (though granted we didn’t expect them to be this bad, either). I’m eager to see the new receivers hit the field, and especially someone (Robiskie?) who can run an actual route and perhaps get open at times. The Browns are going to have to establish someone else at receiver, or Braylon has no hope of getting open regularly. What DC in their right mind wouldn’t double or triple him, and dare anyone else to beat you?
by drjeo on Sep 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Receivers usually take a while to get acclimated to the NFL so it’s much too soon to be worried about MoMass and Robo, but I would like to see those guys get some playing time to see what they can do. It doesn’t matter who we have playing at QB if we don’t have any recievers (outside of Braylon) capable of getting open and scaring the defense.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Hartline has actually done more at the pro level than Brian Robiskie, and seen much more playing time. Taken at face value that seems inexcusable for our coaching staff. Unless of course Hartline is a better pro WR than Robo, in which case, what were we doing drafting him in the early second round? (But c’mon, does anyone really think that is the case?)
by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, it’s been THREE games. To say a guy has done “much more at the pro level” than someone else after three games is kinda ridiculous. Especially when said player has a total of 4 catches for 36 yards. That’s not exactly setting the league on fire. So what is your point?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"much more at the pro level" =/=
And yes, out of the three games Hartline has seen much more playing time than Robo.
Anyway, my point is: clearly we are struggling at WR if a defense can triple team a currently mediocre WR and not worry about anyone else. So why not give Robiskie some playing time?
(Especially if your down several touchdowns and no one else has done a damn thing.)
Though, I’ll have to admit (it’s obvious, actually) that I’m not to sure either of our QBs could get it to him at this point, and definitely attribute to the bad receiving numbers.
by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braylon is mediocre because he is being double and triple-teamed. I continue to believe him as an above average wideout.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2007, I would have agreed. But right now our offense as whole is terrible, and taking him down with it. I still highly doubt he’ll ever reach those 2007 numbers again though, barring he doesn’t end up with the Patriots, Colts, or Saints.
by Simmsinns on Sep 28, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good points REVOLT CANCELLED DO TO LACK OF INTEREST
I give up.. It’s pointless to argue with folks that already have given in to the bait and switch handed to them for the past 10 years by an Organization that could care less..
Settling for what is given to you seems to be the Cleveland way now..
I thought last year was a mess and could not get worse.. Well, I was wrong..
Lets all paint smiley faces on this whole thing.. lets take the Crennel way out and point out all the positive things that have happen this year..(yes its early.. )
“I like the Brown pants.. there cool”
yep.. thats all l got..
I Have embarrassed myself on this one guys.. just thought there was some fight left in Brownstown.. Or are we all just waiting for Basketball season?
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing the point entirely. We’re not happy with the Browns season but we know setting up a “Fan Revolt” website is pointless and a waste of our energy. Whining about how bad the team is accomplishes absolutely nothing. Calling for Lerner to sell the team isn’t going to make him do anything. All that stuff is pointless.
Mangini is not an idiot. He was a head coach for three years with two winning seasons. Rob Ryan is not an idiot. He was a successful defensive coordinator at a team even more dysfunctional than the Browns. Daboll — I don’t know, maybe he is a terrible OC. I guess we’ll find out. But calling our owner and coaches names and posting angry messages about the team isn’t going to help the Browns win any games, so why even bother. If it makes you feel better then please that that stuff somewhere else because we don’t want it here. Go to cleveland.com; I’m sure you’ll get plenty of support there. We want intelligent discussions about what this team needs to do to get better.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Apology to my Fellow Browns fans
ok, I give.. Christ! ..I hope your all right.. I really do.
alot of good points are made here. And maybe you opened my eyes till next week.
I just don’t remember it being this bad before.
Yeah when we came back it was.. but we all knew that was going to be ruff.. and it was. I think beating Pittsburg and watching the team surprise us made up for it.
No revolt web site.. but I’m thinking of maybe a support site for fans like myself.. LOL
A wise man told me.. “its not easy being a Browns fan.. thats why were the best fans”
GO BROWNS..
by Locnar on Sep 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DBN is your support site. Hi, my name is Roger Dorn….
by Roger Dorn on Sep 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Low
Now we Browns fans are arguing and lambasting each other. This is no fun for anyone. Sadly enough this is just another low point you can tell future generations about when we finally have a winning franchise.
Eyes on the prize..
(sigh)…
by L Train on Sep 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dear Randy,
Here is my plan to get Randy Lerner’s full and undivided attention…
He has ruined the Browns, so we hire Tonya Harding to go and start working on the knees of the Aston Villa players until his “football” season is in the dumper too.
by Knight13346 on Sep 28, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to imagine that anyone would actually post this.
by drjeo on Sep 28, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Tonya Harding joke?
Take my wife, please!
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Sep 28, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when I thought the intelligence level on this blog couldn’t get any lower . . .
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 28, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you even name one Aston Villa player? Seriously, can we lay off Villa here? I happen to enjoy both kinds of football and I don’t blame Lerner one bit for owning a good team in a better league.
by fwembt on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the spell that futbol with a u!!! what a distraction!!!!! i can’t even concentrate and i’m only thinking about it, i don’t own a team
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got it! Let’s replace every other NFL teams’ cleats with snow shoes!
"Quote goes here."
by Adrock2099 on Sep 29, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw the videos on youtube, of the hurting fans taking bits of the seating home with them after that last game. I was delighted, not at their plight, but their passionate demeanor. You can´t call for a guys scalp, or public confrontation, that´s mob mentality.
But to call for a passionate response to futility and mediocrity is a just cause. We´re just afraid that such agitation will bear no fruit.
If we address them politely, with constructive ideas, through the right channels, and I do believe this site is one such vehicle, we may sway them. Don´t give up.
by mooncamping on Sep 29, 2009 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What you guys need is a franchise Qu
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quarterback, sorry.....you haven't been lucky with that
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that wisdom. At least it got dumped in the most appropriate place.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 29, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think it's a coaching problem
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then you're stupid
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was an amusing exchange. Thanks Brad and Trot Nixon
by Roger Dorn on Sep 29, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Welcome Roger
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, did you actually think I was being serious? I was mocking you for coming here to state something so obvious.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBVIOUSLY I KNEW YOU WEREN'T SERIOUS
I just thought you were rude. I wasn’t coming in here to mock your pathetic excuse for a team. I was actually pitching in on the conversation.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 30, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious coming from a Bengals fan.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why hilarious...
because we’re probably going to the playoffs and you’re fighting not to be the 08 Lions?
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-1 so far, and all of the sudden they’re going to the playoffs and you have the swagger to talk smack on other teams? wow.
the ‘08 lions are just upset they’re lumped in with about 8 or 10 different Bengals teams. the only difference is they got no lucky breaks to give them that 1 token win.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I don’t base my entire opinion on 3 games or even 1 season. Your org has been even more disastrous than the Browns seeing how many convicted felons you employ.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, the Bengals are gods. The NFL might as well give the team this year’s Lombardi Trophy now and avoid the rush. In fact, you guys should play your second string this Sunday and take it easy.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 30, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don"t get all defensive buddy
I feel your pain, remember that Bengal fans have felt the pain for many years now.
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your grammar and spelling are causing me to the feel the pain.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Functional illiteracy: It’s not just for breakfast anymore.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 30, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
English is not my primary language
If you don't live like you wanna, you live like you shouldn't
by trotanoy on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did you have in mind to pronounce your screen name? Trot-annoy? If so, it seems particularly appropriate.
by drjeo on Oct 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously… I was considering applying for the head coach job… I have never coached anything, let alone a football team of any level, but I have 1 thing that all of these hotshot big name coaches don’t have. HEART. I LOVE THE BROWNS! I have been a browns fan ever since I was little. Even when we didn’t have a team… I sported the colors. Sure, I got made fun of, but I didn’t care. That is the kind of drive and determination that this team needs. We all love the Browns, or we wouldn’t be here. We need Head Coaches that give a crap. Maybe then our guys on the field would hold their heads a little higher. We don’t need some gimmicky BS that these flashy new coaches are bringing. We need to get back to basics and put a little heart back into the team. A little “Fan Leadership” maybe…
by Bdogg on Sep 30, 2009 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need Head Coaches that give a crap
What makes you think Mangini doesn’t? He’s got a job to keep, mouths to feed. Maybe he isn’t the best head coach in the world, but you’re up in la-la land if you think Mangini doesn’t know we’re 0-3 and that we’re shit.
by skipkirk on Sep 30, 2009 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do fans always think they care about winning more than the players and coaches? I don’t get that. It makes no sense. These guys spend 80-100 hours a week practicing, watching film, making game plans, etc., and you don’t think they really care if they win or lose? That is so ignorant. Football is life to these guys. They care more than you can possibly imagine.
The Browns are losing because the other teams have better players than they do. It’s that simple. Players and teams don’t win games because they care more or have more “heart”. I’m tired of hearing idiots whining that the players and coaches need to try harder or have more heart or crap like that.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 30, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns are losing because the other teams have better players than they do. It’s that simple. Players and teams don’t win games because they care more or have more "heart"
This must be a point made to all people named Brad when they are born. I swear I spend more time trying to convince people that talent trumps effort than I do working.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say? People named Brad are just naturally smarter than the rest of the world (not to mention better-looking, too).
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the two comments right above yours?
by fwembt on Oct 1, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
they just mentioned on ESPN that Browns Fans have started a petition for Lerner to sell.
by TJ3117 on Sep 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we all know how credible ESPN can be…
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, the idiotic extremes have managed to make the rest of us a laughingstock.
by fwembt on Sep 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am telling you the mass media will jump on anything to pile on the Browns and the organization. It is making me sick.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward
The hell with the last couple of games. Lets GO BROWNS!!
by Nuts4359 on Oct 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this
Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.
by doggrad87 on Oct 4, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Nuge!!!
The Bucs cut him a little over a week ago. What is Mangini waiting for ……. sign Mike Nugent!
by Jeff I on Oct 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New Ownership the only chance for improvement
Frankly the current owners can’t afford to compete.
by HillBillyZag on Oct 20, 2009 5:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
plain and simple we need a QB then everything will fall into place….you gotta think these past 5 years weve played alot of good games! and what we fell short on is a QB we get that and we can contend CONSISTANTLY…we also need to hire Brian Kelly from UC as our coach…or Bill Cowher someone!!! please!!!….heck even promote Rob Ryan to head coach!!!! …this is my 1st post ever here im from Cincinnati born and raised but always been a Browns fan i grew up with the Browns and Reds so my fan base is a bit uncanny but Go Buckeyes as well even though all my teams suck….oh wait this is Ohio everyone hates us lmao and my teams always suck
by gobrownsgobucks on Oct 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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