So What is the Deal at QB?
Quinn vs Anderson - Getting in Mangini's Head
Well we are coming down to the wire on naming a quarterback for the Brown's 2009 season. One might wonder why it has taken so long. Here are some options that have been discussed:
1. Coach Mangini has known from the start - If this is the case why the "competition"? Maybe he hoped there would be a clear winner allowing him to name the quarterback with the backing of fans and the media--that didn't happen. He might have wanted to motivate each QB to play their best during the pre-season which may not have been the case had one known he was the backup. Then there is the oft-repeated "covering of the hand" until the last possible moment before game time with the Vikings. If the QB is not named until next Thursday or so, that is a real possibility. Could causing Minnesota to prepare for two quarterbacks give the Browns an edge? If so, is it worth the cost of reducing the reps with the starter and the rest of the team?
2. There really was a competition - I find it hard to believe that a coach watching practice after practice, endless film, team reaction, and other factors would not be able to make this decision without seeing a few series in pre-season play. Though the two quarterbacks have different strengths and weaknesses, if you stack them up you get two QBs that will probably rate somewhere in the mid 80's (both with upside potential). If Coach Mangini really couldn't decide without a pre-season competition leading up to the last week before the regular season, what does this say about his ability to evaluate talent? Questionable?
I personally think option 1 to be the more likely scenario. The two quarterbacks really inspire somewhat different offensive schemes and I would think Mangini knows what scheme he wants already. Now my prediction...
This prediction is based upon what I think should happen... not what I believe will happen. In other words this would be my reasoning were I in the Coach's position...
I think the obvious choice is Derek Anderson. In my opinion it was Brady Quinn's position to WIN. In a tie (which is virtually the case here) you have to go with Anderson due to his previous success during the regular season. Also, Anderson gives much better down-field potential and I believe defenses will be able to stack the box with Quinn. This will kill the running game AND the short passing game as well as fortifying the pass rush. Teams will have to worry more about committing to this strategy with Anderson as QB because of the credible deep threat. Looking at the Browns' schedule, we play very few teams that might allow a running, ball-control kind of offense and we aren't really set up to do it. Thus the need for Anderson's arm to keep the defense guessing.
In addition there are some non-football factors. Naming Anderson does not really have negative, immediate implications on Quinn's future. He just returns to backup as the newer, junior QB should. If Quinn is named starter, then Anderson is trade bait as it is evident that the younger Quinn will be here a while.; so in Anderson's mind, he has to start shopping for a new team. If Anderson has a bad year, then you can still go with Quinn with little loss of face. Returning to Anderson after Quinn is named starter would be an "oops we goofed" move.
Another important issue is the fact that the Browns have a new coach and system that they are still learning. Is this the best situation in which to throw Quinn?
The truth is we have two fairly decent QBs. One that has had an excellent, regular season and the other that is unproven but shows promise. This is actually an enviable position. With quarterbacks suffering high injury rates, we could end up in a good position vs other teams as they have a big drop-off with their backups. I was for the pick-up of Quinn in the 2007 draft and I still think it was a good move. But as far as this season goes I think the choice at QB should be Derek Anderson.
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I don’t think you can stack the box unless the QB really has a poor throwing arm. A team would be stupid to stack the box when we have a WR in Edwards who is a legitimate downfield threat. I am confident Quinn can make completions over 15 yards to Braylon if given the opportunity.
Ultimately I want the QB who will make fewer mistakes, complete passes at a higher rate, and move the offense. Anderson has tantalizing abilities as a passer, but appears to be wildly inconsistent. His underneath accuracy is quite poor, something I value more than the ability to complete the downfield pass since plays are successful underneath more often than they are downfield.
I also think option 2 is clearly what is going on here, the idea that a QB competition is a charade, if true, would make me lose all faith in Mangini. Of course, I do not think that is the case here, he wanted to come in as a new coach, and be completely objective by giving them both an equal shot. I also think this means once he chooses one over the other, he will be sticking with them for at least this season barring injury.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 3, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Just because Quinn throws short more often doesn’t mean he can’t throw intermediate to deep. He’s a safe QB. He wants to make sure he knows where the balls going rather than to throw it deep and give a DB a better chance on the ball. Personally, I think Quinn’s football IQ is higher too. He makes so many audibles while Anderson tries to work with whats given which could be very bad in a lot of cases.
In conclusion: I want Quinn.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 3, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My worry with Quinn is that the Browns will change their offensive scheme to more short passes. It seemed that way in his few starts last year. I hate that.
by dgcambridge on Sep 4, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I’m kind of for it. I like controlled offenses. Nothing unexpected and it’s easyt to keep a hold on it. It might not be as flashy and exciting but it works.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 4, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not convinced it works, unless you have a very high completion percentage. Unfortunately, focusing on (almost) entirely short passes doesn’t automatically result in that level of precision. Each incompletion is much more costly when your completions only go for 3 – 7 yards.
by dgcambridge on Sep 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is ridiculous. They may call a few different plays more often depending on which QB is in, but the playbook is the playbook. They don’t have one for Quinn and one for Anderson. Both guys are running the same scheme. The only reason Quinn “seems” to throw short more often is because he actually goes through his reads, instead of chucking it to his first or second one. That’s why his completion percentage will always be higher than DA’s.
I’m so sick of this, “Quinn dinks and dunks, DA goes downfield.” I blame Pluto, and it’s somewhat true, but it’s mostly a gross misunderstanding and wholly overblown.
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by kwoog on Sep 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fully agree with the 2nd paragraph above, but I would be willing to bet that the offensive playbook is very large and they pick certain parts of it to concentrate on each week. Add in the different strengths of the 2 QBs and our scheme could look like 2 completely different offenses.
by rufio on Sep 5, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn has shown the ability to throw the ball down the field. This idea that all he does is dink-and-dunk is silly. Last year in the Broncos game he had a great pass where he threw 30 or 40 yards downfield (don’t remember exactly) to Edwards on the sidelines. It was a beautiful pass that needed both accuracy and arm strength. That’s just one example, of course, but Quinn can throw the ball down field. The difference is that he won’t throw in to double-coverage downfield if the receiver isn’t open, but rather he’ll check down to another receiver. But they’re not going to drastically alter the game plan if Quinn is playing QB instead of Anderson.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, ok, I hear you both, and I hope you are right. For the record, I’m not saying that I think Quinn can’t throw deep. I think he can, and I want him to. My point was that it seemed to me that they did change the playbook for Quinn last year.
Of course, he was getting his first starts, and there’s a new “they” now. So who knows? But that’s my worry. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to suspect that they’ll call a different game with BQ as opposed to DA. They have different profiles (as overstated as that may be).
My vote is for Quinn, and to play aggressive.
by dgcambridge on Sep 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
But if 2 is the option… why no announcement? Does Mangini really not know who the starter is right now? Is he going to make that decision based on the very unrealistic play in pre-season football? Frankly, this would worry me more. It is akin to Romeo’s coin flip. What’s more is it the coaches job to “give players a shot” or to pick the best player in his eyes?
I really think that being able to stretch the field is Anderson’s strength, not Quinn’s. That will affect the defensive schemes and alignments that they will each see.
I agree totally with having to stick with what he picks. It would be a mistake to switch back after a few bad games… my point was just to say the switch back would be worse for one than the other from the psychological standpoint.
Either way… I say GO BROWNS!
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Sep 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he decided within the past week or so, and wants to go through the entire preseason to give the ultimate loser the feeling that he was given a fair shot.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 3, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t look at it as this was Quinn’s job to win. if anything, i think it was his job to LOSE. anderson has already shown he lacks the ability to lead this team to the promised land, even in 2007 when he collapsed against cincinnati while holding a playoff ticket in his hand. when quinn got the chance, he at least showed a spark of leadership and an ability to lead the team. i think the job is his to lose, until he shows that he doesn’t have the aforementioned qualities. anderson is good, but we’ve seen his best, and frankly it isn’t quite good enough.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we please get off the idea that Quinn did anything last year? He was just as bad as Anderson.
by fwembt on Sep 4, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he couldn’t use the most important finger on his throwing hand.
When he was healthy, he was good to very good.
by rufio on Sep 4, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Ben Roethlesberger cares how many fingers he has working? No, he doesn’t. You know why? Because he’s a PROVEN WINNER.
I just take some issue with the idea that Quinn showed this incredible ability last year. He played one game healthy, got hurt, and played poorly when no one would have expected any more. I don’t like the “he at least showed a spark of leadership and an ability to lead the team” line of thinking. It was hardly any time. Maybe this year he can show that.
by fwembt on Sep 4, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s about points. He drove the football and got them to the tune of 30 and 29. Literally, enough said.
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by kwoog on Sep 4, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really think we are arguing that. We are however, trying to project what we expect from Quinn if he is the starter. I know, for one, that I am not forming much of my opinion, if at all, on the three pro games Quinn appeared in.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 4, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like the "he at least showed a spark of leadership and an ability to lead the team" line of thinking.
Honestely, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a single person on here say that. We want Quinn because of tangible reasons, not because he think he’s a good leader or some other crap. No, Quinn didn’t look great when he played last season, but he look good at times (when he wasn’t hurt). More importantly, as I’ve said many times, we’ve seen enough of Anderson to know that he’s not the answer. We haven’t seen enough of Quinn to know if he is or not. Nobody is saying that we know Quinn will be awesome, but we’d like to find out what we have in him. You can’t say that we know about Quinn yet.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’m sorry Dawg Nuts said that above. But my point was that you’ve mentioned something like that in other places, as if you’ve been hearing that from other places, but people here want Quinn because of tangible reasons, not intangible arguments that people try to use some time. That’s not what this is about. It’s about who we think will play better on the field.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe my original comment didn’t properly express it, but i agree with you brad. its about wanting quinn because of what the team did when he played. its hard not to see that the offense performed better with BQ behind center. as far as leadership, that’s earned from teammates by performance. if one of BQ’s teammates, who at the time was one of our best offensive players (KWII) said he wanted BQ (don’t have his exact quote), there must be something to it. the players want to win, they’ll pull for the guy that gives them the best chance.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 4, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I agree on this. What I don’t agree with is the one line from what Dawg Nuts said, which is why I only quoted that. I don’t want to attribute that to part of the groupthink.
by fwembt on Sep 5, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t think i had to elaborate, but when i said “ability to lead the team”, i meant lead them to victory, i.e. scoring more points. and as far as leadership, of course it matters, KWII said it himself last year that it mattered, that he wanted to follow BQ.
not to mention, you just gave the us the tired old “roethlisberger is a winner” argument that we just spent a week and 800 comments beating to death on another post. exhausting.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 4, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic with the “Roethlisberger is a winner” statement.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was? Because when I read it, it just filled me with hate. I had no intention to laugh.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filled you with hate? Buddy, this is just a game and we’re just having fun here chatting about it . . . you’d better take this a lot less seriously. Hatred is a pretty strong emotion.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, sorry. I was hoping that was just a joke, but I wasn’t sure.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took it as a joke.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, completely sarcastic. That was supposed to lighten the mood.
by fwembt on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still wasn’t “just as bad as Anderson”. When he was healthy (a VERY short time last year, and one series against SF the year before when he marched us right down the field for what should have been a TD) he has been good to very good.
I never said he has proven all he needs to prove or has been consistently good for a long period of time. Simply, when he has been in games and healthy, our offense has scored.
by rufio on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naming Anderson does not really have negative, immediate implications on Quinn’s future. He just returns to backup as the newer, junior QB should.
it absolutely has negative implications for quinn’s future if he can’t win this job after 2 seasons and 3 training camps. anderson isn’t consistently good enough that he should hold off a good player. and on that point, being newer or “junior” should have nothing to do with anything … the best guy should play.
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by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adding to options 1. and 2….
1. By getting both guys 1st team reps, you do prep for an injury situation. Ideally, in our situation I think you’d give the starter more reps, but there are some positives to splitting the reps.
You also increase the potential value of either guy in a trade by not tipping your hand. By naming one guy the starter, you automatically name one guy the backup: you state your preference for one over the other. Publicly stating this weakens your bargaining position in a potential trade. It is almost always the case that keeping your mouth shut (when you are given that option) is the best option for a coach. This is Mangini’s philosophy and he will stick by it. What good would publicly announcing the starter do?
2. I think that true indecision is not necessarily an indication of a lack of ability to evaluate talent. First, the two could be doing equally well (or at least one not clearly outplaying the other), and there could be split decisions among the coaching staff. Maybe Daboll likes that DA can throw deep because it makes game planning easier, while Mangini likes that Quinn doesn’t turn it over as much, etc. It could be less evaluating which one is better, and more evaluating which one of the equally strong candidates would be the best choice in the context of the rest of the team, how the team will be built in the future, what the philosophies will be, etc.
Also, in every scouting situation, scouts/GMs/etc. usually take in every available piece of information before making a final decision. Even if you really like a guy’s senior season film, you still want to see him validate his speed/strength/agility/quickness at the combine. Then, you want to see him validate your feelings on him at his pro day. Then, you want to work him out at your own facility, and maybe give him a test like Mangini did to see how well he can take coaching on the spot. You usually don’t want to see a guy flash his senior year and say “that’s our guy”—even if he is your guy—because you want all the information that you can get on him….
…so, why would that change on your own team? You want to get every piece of information you can on DA and BQ, every piece of film of every practice throw, every interview, etc. Why cut the process short before the combine if you don’t have to? Maybe you get a feeling for a guy’s weaknesses and you can exploit them if you see him in the future (here’s hoping we can do that to Favre). Get both of them all the chances you can to make plays, to prove their worth, and then make your decision. Don’t call Florida before all the votes are in.
Lastly, if you don’t think Quinn has the arm strength to throw the ball over 20 yards, you are crazy. Didn’t he just throw a ball 55 yards in the air to Leggett in the scrimmage? Its not the arm strength that worries me, its the reasons why he doesn’t go deep more often. He has also zipped some short balls in to tight spaces to Furrey, especially. Physically, the kid can throw the deep routes. Why doesn’t he? Coaching? Lack of confidence? Lack of accuracy? Lack of vision? Lack of open guys? Lack of defensive play recognition? I don’t think anyone outside of the Browns organization can answer that definitively.
Quinn can keep guys out of the box, I am pretty sure of that.
by rufio on Sep 3, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You also increase the potential value of either guy in a trade by not tipping your hand. By naming one guy the starter, you automatically name one guy the backup: you state your preference for one over the other. Publicly stating this weakens your bargaining position in a potential trade. It is almost always the case that keeping your mouth shut (when you are given that option) is the best option for a coach. This is Mangini’s philosophy and he will stick by it. What good would publicly announcing the starter do?
i think this is the key. it’s the m.o. of the belichick mold, and getting ratfliff first-team reps tonight could be the beginning of grooming him to be the backup. i wouldn’t be shocked to see a trade of D.A. in the near future. i’d like to think Denver and KC would have some interest.
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by rolub on Sep 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post. I’m new here and I was hoping I’d learn something from some of the posters here and I have. We are all Browns fans and though we might disagree on exactly what should be done we are all for seeing the team get better.
You make a very good argument about the trade values. There is not a lot of upside in announcing the starter sooner rather than later IF you have in mind to trade one. This could be tipping his hand that there is a trade in the works. I think the events of last night also point in this direction. If there is a potential trade brewing then that would be a good reason NOT to play either QB because of risk of injury to the QB being traded and not tipping your hand on the other.
You make a good point also about the indecision. But I think what is learned from pre-season play is not all that reliable. It is another data point in a long series of data points most of which we don’t see as fans. So my view is that Coach Mangini already had enough information to at least have a favorite barring some kind of obvious issue in pre-season/practice. I’m just thinking in my mind “what might Coach Mangini have seen in pre-season play with the few reps the QBs had that would sway him one way or the other?” There are so many variables in pre-season play such as extreme variation of who is in the game on both sides, lots of rust on both sides, and mistakes being made in routes, etc. Put Quinn in first and maybe he struggles… insert Anderson and he does great; meanwhile, the defense is completely different. What does an interception in pre-season mean when no one is where they are supposed to be? Compare that to the hours of film available (at least for Anderson) in real-game situations which is a lot more valuable. Having said that, pre-season data is not worth zero so your point about gathering all available information is well taken.
What you say about evaluation in the context of the rest of the team is spot on… bravo. And I agree that there are other compelling reasons to give each QB reps and I applaud Coach Mangini for that.
I see your point about Quinn’s arm but I think Anderson has the stronger arm and taken over many throws during the season I think this translates to more down-field threat. At this point anyway, the stats demonstrate that Anderson has a greater yardage per completion but with the small sample size, the jury is definitely out on this. It is possible that Quinn could grow into a better deep threat with experience but that is not a sure thing by any means.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Sep 4, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quinn
i think we have quinn back long enough lets see him grow a bit when the game is on the line.
by uk1156 on Sep 5, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
QUINN/ANDERSON
Quinn should be the starter! Folks forget that Anderson has problems with game management issues, the 2 minute drill, and throws interceptions.
My goodness, fans cheered when Anderson was injured and was replaced by Quinn. I thought that was nasty but it proves that a big arm is simply not enough to start.
Anderson has zero touch on balls thrown under 15 yards.
This is Quinn’s 3rd year. He was a first round draft pick. He will be starting with a new coach and a new system. His cerebral ability has been apparent to most of the sports writers that cover the Browns up close.
Starting Anderson would be a big mistake. I do not agree with the above break down that has Anderson starting. Quinn has carried the clip board, worked hard, and has earned “his” chance to start. He’s only played 3 games. Good night! After playing a season…..we may find that we have a heckuva quarterback. He must be the starter so we can find out.
by BigDawgy54 on Sep 7, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A real QB
So, with the 1st or 2nd pick in next years NFL draft, which QB will we take? Lets get a real one ond get rid of the 2 imposters we have now.
by dragon43078 on Sep 8, 2009 4:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we see how 2009 goes first?
by Roger Dorn on Sep 8, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mizzou looked really good this weekend. Are you surprised? (I’ve been looking for a good place to ask and I thought this random place was as appropriate as any.)
by rufio on Sep 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit surprised. I wasn’t ready to write them off just for losing Daniel and Maclin, but wasn’t ready for Gabbert to look like a complete stud. I am not sure if you have seen the Jason Whitlock article about the game, but it is hilarious. I am going to see if I can find it.
The Big 12 North is typically weak, so I think it will come down to Mizzou and Kansas again. Nebraska isn’t quite back yet.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expectations were high for Illinois this year. Many people were picking them as a sleeper team in the Big Ten after last year’s disappointing season. Obviously they haven’t changed much from last year. That was a very bad game from the Big Ten’s perspective.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to the Illinois-Mizzou game last year, and Juice tore the Mizzou defense apart. The fact that Missouri held them to 9 pts is the biggest reason to be optimistic about their chances. Illinois seemed to lose confidence when that WR went down. I wouldn’t expect much from them again this year, but they always seem to be good for one upset.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 8, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, losing Arilleous Benn was huge for them. He’s one of the top WR in the country so that really hurt their offense. Buckeye fans know all about how dangerous Juice Williams is — I was at that game in ‘07 when he upset the #1 Buckeyes in the ’Shoe. We all knew he was going to run the ball but the defense still couldn’t stop him.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
USC and Ohio State are both overated. Sorry.
Oh yeah and who do I have the bet with again?
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, ND wins one game against a crappy team and you’re already talking trash.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 8, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. I’m no Buckeye fan but trying to turn a win over Nevada into anything is just an example of how far Notre Dame has fallen.
by fwembt on Sep 9, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon guys calm down. I never even mentioned anything about Nevada(who is better than Navy).
All I said is that Im not sure Ohio State is a top 10 team. They will get a chance to prove it next week though.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Navy is a good team. Playing a team that runs the option is always tough and their QB can actually throw the ball a little. I wasn’t surprised that they gave OSU trouble and I don’t know why people are so surprised about it. And they’re much better than Nevada, by the way.
Also, how will OSU prove it’s a top 10 team by beating USC? You said they’re overrated, too.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 9, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised they gave OSU so much trouble.
I fully expected something like 24-14 or 24-17. Navy is a perennial bowl team. They are solid. And we had all of that emphasis on being good sportspeople over winning the game. Something tells me we (team and fans) will err on the other side of that equation this week.
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I obviously didn’t expect it to be this close. And it shouldn’t have been — if Tressel kicks the field goal in the fourth quarter instead of going for it on fourth down then we’re up by 3 scores and Navy doesn’t make it so close. It’s funny that people usually complain that Tressel is too conservative but this time he went for it when he didn’t have to. Maybe he was trying to make a statement with the running game (which obviously didn’t work). I agree that this weekend will be much different.
Incidentally, I’m going to the USC game on Saturday. I’m so excited about that. My sister is an OSU student and she didn’t care about going to this game so she’s letting me use her ticket.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked that he went for it (at the time), he just should not have run the counter play that we always run. The younger Boren totally whiffed on the block he was supposed to make and it was over before it began.
HOW DID YOUR SISTER NOT CARE ABOUT THE USC GAME!?!
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She’s not much of a football fan. She just goes to the games to hang out with her friends.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even then, that’s going to be the biggest party/hang out with friends time until the Michigan game!
Then again, I probably would have sold my ticket to someone for $1,000+.
by rufio on Sep 11, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to remember that OSU isn’t in school yet so many students aren’t on campus. She won’t even be in Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what Navy has to offer every year, and trust me;
Navy and Nevada are both above average teams.
No one beleived us ND fans the last few years when we have said Navy has a good team. Now maybe more people will agree.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think USC is a little overrated but they are about 10th IMO
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that game, and I’ll tell you that Navy’s QB can throw the ball more than a little. I was surprised that that the Buckeyes had so much trouble with the triple option, but watching it in person, you had to wonder why more people don’t run it, and especially when a team is generally overmatched physically. A big part of their success is Navy’s amazing discipline (go figure). I thought they might go the entire game without a penalty, and I think they ended up with on ly one 5-yarder called against them. That actually is a pretty good team.
by drjeo on Sep 11, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to your point, paul johnson’s had an awful lot of early success at GT w/ the triple option. they’re the best team in the ACC behind that … and he’s playing it with guys recruited to do a lot of things, but not the triple option.
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by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more surprised that Anderson Russel got completely smoked by that Navy back/WR. He just got roasted. Twice.
I figured the triple option would give us some trouble, mostly because I figured Tressel would be doing something in camp that would help against USC.
by rufio on Sep 11, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I mentioned the bet I was just trying to remember which one of you it was. I wasnt trying to make something of the Nevada game.
Was it you though?
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK thank you
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, OSU is only ranked 7th/8th…how overrated is that?
USC is pretty darn good, but they will lose a game to someone they shouldn’t this year…just like every year.
Cal looked really good this weekend, too, and I was impressed with Cincy.
by rufio on Sep 9, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually think this is the year that SC keeps a clean sheet. call me crazy w/ a true frosh qb, but i really believe they do it this season and play fla for the whole thing. which will be an epic contest.
really impressed by cincy … carrying a thought from another thread, i would love to see uva make a power play for brian kelly.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish UofL would get Brian Kelly, but really I would be happy with any coach that isnt Kragthorpe. Well, maybe not Ty Willingham.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is kragthorpe bad? i haven’t paid any attention to l’ville since brohm’s last year … i guess since they haven’t grabbed any attention, maybe i’ve answered my own question about kragthorpe.
unfortunately, i think kelly’s going to stay put in cincy. i think he thinks he can build a big (l)east powerhouse, they’re devoting big resources to building a program, and he appears to have carte blanche as far as recruiting goes.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kragthorpe took UofL from a BCS bowl winning team to a team that didnt make a bowl. In one year.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, USC seems to always drop one to some Pac-10 underling. They just seem so bored that they let their guard down and then some team that has been waiting all year for that game gets in the perfect situation and a few plays go their way and all of a sudden USC doesn’t know what to do.
I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if USC runs the table, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll be interested to hear how overrated you think SC is after the annual sacrifice of ND to the trojans
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only to be preceded by the annual sacrifice of ND to the Eagles
by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HaHaHa. Thats a good one.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even think I was alive the last time Notre Dame beat BC. Did you see BC scored 54 in the opener?
by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!!
Wait, are you the Mizzou guy or the BC guy? Who is the other one?
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. the “!!!” was in response to BC scoring 54. Herzlich sounds like he wants to play next year.
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s both a Mizzou fan and a BC fan, and I’ve meaning to ask him how that came about. Can you enlighten us Roger?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 10, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am both a Missouri fan and BC fan, you are correct. I was born in Missouri and my entire family lives there. Have been a Mizzou fan since I was really young. I went to BC for undergrad which explains that affiliation. Despite living in Ohio for most of my formative years, I never latched on to the Buckeyes because of my Mizzou fanship.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 10, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was very surprised by their offense after losing Coffman, Maclin, and Daniel, as well as the other Chase (who was their #2 QB, right?). It looked like they didn’t even miss a beat.
by rufio on Sep 9, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs





















