Cleveland Browns 53-Man Roster Projection (Final Version) - Will Jamal Lewis Make It?
Only 53 men can make the make the Cleveland Browns final roster, and the final cuts are due by Saturday at 4 PM. Besides making their own cuts, the Browns' front office will be watching the waiver wire as well to see if there are any "surprise" cuts who would be welcome additions to our team.
Here is my second and final official roster projection for the 2009-2010 NFL season, taking into consideration how things have gone throughout training camp and how I expect Mangini to react:
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Here are some notes about my roster:
53-Man Roster Projection Notes
- One of the biggest "wow" factors will be if Jamal Lewis gets cut. Today, Adam Schefter of ESPN listed Lewis as one of the "bubble" players on his list. Lewis has not looked very quick in training camp, while James Davis has taken advantage of Jerome Harrison being out. I just don't see us outright cutting Lewis.
- The following offensive players are gone from the "Final Roster" column since my pre-training camp projection: George Foster, Ryan Tucker.
- Taking their spots on offense are Hank Fraley and David Patten. I'm not fond of having six receivers, but I don't think we'll be seeing much of Brian Robiskie early on this season, except maybe on special teams. I also added Isaac Sowells, which literally kills me to do so. As many of you know, I am not fond of Sowells' abilities. But, we need tackle depth and he has the most experience there.
- The following defensive players are gone from the "Final Roster" column since my pre-training camp projection: Shaun Smith, Roderick Hood.
- Taking their spots on defense are Gerard Lawson, with no replacement defensive lineman. Lawson can contribute on special teams and serve as the backup returner to Cribbs.
- Most of the players who could make the 53-man roster as a surprise are the players I've put on the practice squad (denoted by an *). Specifically, these players include Bret Lockett (who could make it over Nick Sorensen) and Marucs Benard (who could make it over Leon Williams). Beau Bell could also make it instead of Benard. I'd really like to keep Blake Costanzo; our special teams has been fantastic this preseason.
- I don't think Chris Jennings makes the roster unless we make a surprise cut of Jerome Harrison. However, I still think Noah Herron has a good chance of making it over Charles Ali. Ultimately, I'm taking Ali because of Vickers' injury problems last year.
- Brett Ratliff probably won't clear the waiver wire, but Richard Bartel will. I like Bartel over Ratliff at this point, but doing it this way allows us to retain both of them, considering what we invested in Ratliff.
- We should carry three tight ends. I think the questions of Steve Heiden making the roster or not are a thing of the past, considering Martin Rucker and Aaron Walker have done very little this preseason.
- If we keep a seventh defensive lineman, I guess it would be Santonio Thomas.
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Noah Herron only played briefly early on in the first quarter, as did James Davis. Jerome Harrison and Jamal Lewis did not play. This may mean that all four have made the team or that we will carry Herron until Harrison is healthy. It is quite possible that Harrison will start the year on the PUP list.
I don’t think you can place players on the PUP at this point. I believe they can only go on that list if there injury was from before training camp (and the decision has to be made before camp starts).
The thing about Harrison though is that he supposedly returned to practice this week, so he might be healthy enough to go.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going Herron over Ali. I wouldn’t be surprised if both weren’t with the team if it gave us a chance to take a RB we like who is cut by another team.
Also, can we please find someone cut by another team or off the street who is better than Sowells?
You called it.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that the Browns will keep Jennings after his performance on Thursday night and cut Ali.
The Browns will compensate for the lack of FB depth by using TEs and other RBs in the backfield for certain formations.
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My issue with that is how would we use Jennings this year, assuming that Jamal Lewis is getting the starts? Davis and Harrison will be lucky enough to get some snaps. Jennings did show some flash on special teams, but surely Harrison/Davis can contribute there if needed.
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 4, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. There’s no way Jennings can make a meaningful enough contribution to make the final 53. I could see him making the practice squad, but that’s also not a given as far as I’m concerned. I also like Herron to make it over Ali just because of his versatility.
by Onyx Lightning on Sep 4, 2009 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why? You keep a player because he played well in the fourth preseason game against mostly third-stringers?
Running backs like Jennings are a dime-a-dozen. If we have injury problems during the season and need another RB then we can find a guy like him on the street. He’s not worth wasting a roster spot on.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 4, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with you there. He was running like a man on fire, and he was blocking decently. I see us cutting a fullback to keep him, even if only on the pratice squad. We have enough tight ends to play the blocking role…
I could see him on the practice squad, he’s just not making the 53-man roster. We don’t need a fourth running back.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 5, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. When it comes to the last 5 or so spots on the roster, you don’t really care who makes the better 4th string RB or 7th WR, you care who can be the better special teamer. I don’t see Jennings making it on this criteria.
I think Jennings was almost blocking kicks one game in the preseason?
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 7, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
“Running backs like Jennings are a dime-a-dozen”
I completely disagree with this, because if running backs were so easy to find, then why are teams still lacking a running game?
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then why are teams still lacking a running game
Because good offensive lines are hard to find. And because there are only a handful of backs who can succeed without having a good line in front of them (Jennings probably not being one of them).
by APV on Sep 5, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Once again, it was a preseason game. Let’s see him run like that consistantly in the regular season before we start giving him all this praise. Do you really think we would have a successful running game if he was our lead back? There’s a reason this guy wasn’t on any NFL team a month ago — he’s not that special.
Great running backs are hard to find. Average running backs are a dime-a-dozen (and we don’t even know if Jennings is good enough to be called “average”).
You really need to stop getting so excited about players who play well in preseason games against players who will never see the field in the regular season. If you’ve watched the Browns at all over the past decade then you know we’ve seen many players who look like stars in the preseason then do nothing in the regular season (Lee Suggs, anyone?).
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 5, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with what you say about playing well in a preseason game. Whether or not a complete first string defense is in the game,a good running back should have a solid performance and be exciting to watch.
This is the problem I now have with Jamal Lewis. I was never excited to watch him studder step to the line and fall foward. I am officially on the “get rid of him now wagon” because I don’t think he makes our running game that much better.
Keep the younger kids and let them run with passion.
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People were also saying Sorensen looked good in that game. I’ve seen enough of Sorensen to believe he is completely incapable of having a meaningful positive impact on a game in the regular season on a consistent basis.
Who cares about Bart vs. Ratliff. If we have to use one of them were screwed anyway
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 7, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We certainly saw some nice runs from Jennings, albeit against backups, but was there anything more? I recall him grabbing a few passes. I wasn’t able to watch the entire game, so I truly don’t know whether he can block – and that would be a big sticking point, I would think. If he can’t pick up the blitzes we could end the season with Ratliff running the offense. If he can block, is he better at it than Harrison? If the answer is no, then we have to hope we can get him on the practice squad.
I’m excited for the season to start. And not to be negative, but can we agree that the Robiskie pick was misguided?
Maybe so when you see what we could have had in the picks between him and Massaquoi. Lots of good defensive prospects including Maualuga who went to the rival Bengals. I’m thinking Coach Mangini would not have taken Malaluga no matter what because of a perception of issues with him off the field—it just wouldn’t fit with the rest of what he picked. I think he is avoiding character issues right now until he gets a motivated, professional core. I also liked Everette Brown as a book end to Wimbley and he could have been picked at that point. And there were 5 or so decent-looking defensive backs taken right after the Robiskie pick. I always wondered if Clay Matthews Jr or Laurinitus would have been available would we have drafted one of them in Robiskie’s spot?
I was thinking Robiskie was going to be a lot better given the hype that he was the most NFL-ready receiver coming out of college this year. I was a little surprised to see us pick up 2 receivers at that point in the draft when it seemed like we had more needs on defense. My hunch at the time was that Edwards might be traded and that didn’t happen.
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I think that was our most questionable pick. You can’t evaluate a draft class until at least the 3rd season after they’re picked. Calling him a bust before the season even starts is a little ridiculous.
Hey, I’ve been hit with “ridiculous” twice today on this board. I was careful with my language above. Certainly not calling anyone a bust (isn’t a bust someone who can’t make it the league?). 3 years out is a fine time to evaluate things – if you can avoid the hindsight temptation.
There is no need for that sensitivity. First, I said “a little ridiculous”, and second, I wasn’t calling you an idiot, I was saying that what you were saying was a little ridiculous. People here are intelligent and will debate things that they think are not logically sound, proven with evidence, etc. If you are up for that level of football talk, welcome to the club.
There have been zero meaningful games that Robiskie could have played in so far, and WR is a position that traditionally has to make a big adjustment to the NFL. Judging him now is a little ridiculous, and I bring up his level of success to this point because I don’t think anyone would be calling the Robo pick “misguided” if he had torn it up in the preseason.
It is way, way, way too early to judge the ultimate success of the pick, and to judge the success of any draft pick at this point in time with a large degree of confidence is, in fact, ridiculous. But you really didn’t say that (I just read into your comment that you implied that, or I implied that you wouldn’t have said what you did if the light had gone on for Robiskie in the preseason), you said that the pick was misguided:
WR was one of the biggest positions of need in April, before we knew how Furrey would look (or what the deal was really with his “concussion”), before we found out Cribbs looked like he could play well enough to be our 2nd WR, and when our 2nd and 3rd WRs from last year were probably not going to play for a while (Stallworth) and not good enough to play at most powerhouse D1 schools (Steptoe). Throw in the fact that we traded K2 (who was in effect our #2 WR) and there was a bigtime need there. We needed WRs, we took WRs. Based on Robiskie’s professionalism throughout not only his OSU career, but also the pre-draft process, he looked like the most NFL-ready WR. He perfectly fit the bill of the “Mangini guy”.
Every draft pick is a gamble. Some will work out, some won’t. You take 2 WRs and you figure one of them will probably work out. You only take one, and you have half the chance that he will develop in to a good player. All you can do as a GM is get the best odds of success on your picks.
So no, it wasn’t misguided. I did think there were better players on the board, but I didn’t think Brown could drop in to coverage, and I thought it was early for the other players I liked (D. Butler, Brace, Barwin). I did like Britton, but am not sure if he can play RT. I thought Sintim would have been an OK pick. But, I/we/all the national pundits must have lacked some information that every NFL team had. Everyone had Maualuga going in the 1st round, and his stock plummeted—which was a surprise to everyone on draft day.
Simply put; I didn’t think Robiskie was an ideal pick, but I didn’t see a clear alternative. I think he was the best player on the board at WR at the time—one of our biggest needs.
I heard a rumor that the Browns were interested in a QB a couple of weeks ago that got cut by… I don’t remember (maybe the Pats?). Anyway, I think this indicates that they may be looking to get rid of Ratliff AND Bartel or to at least up grade them. It is probably likely that Ratliff will be retained as Coach Mangini went way out of his way to pick him up. I thought Bartel looked just as good as Ratliff in the limited action he saw, and he looked better in the practice I attended.
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Was his performance just beating up the 3rd string, or did he show any real spark?
We need some options at DE!
Cutting Jamal seems like a stupid option to me. Absolutely idiotic.
Sure, we may have a good halfback in Davis, but this is his rookie season. Even if Jamal doesn’t start I sure would like Jamal in there helping Davis out. We can’t put everything on Davis.
No to FB Ali, they will only keep Vickers
No to WR Patten, too big of a contract
No to LB Leon Williams, he is terrible and barely played in the preseason
Yes to DT Adam Hoppel, he is the only of the 3 that might get cut that can play all 3 positions on the d-line
The 2 remaining spots will be filled by waiver claims.
Otherwise, nicely done
I have Beau Bell and Bret Lockett instead of Blake Costanzo and Nick Sorensen.
Also, I think Mangini may add a ninth offensive lineman if we get a chance at someone decent (It would have to be a 4+ year veteran because the Lions, Rams, Chiefs, or Seahawks would gobble up a younger waiver guy. Barry Sims and Tony Pashos are on the chopping block right now. It would have to be someone like that for us to get a shot.).
I have Ali, Lawson, Patten, and Sowells making the team but they would be among the first cuts if we claim someone.
I decided that Ali’s ability as an up man on the punt team and as a lead blocker for Vickers in short yardage situations is more valuable than what Herron brings as a 4th running back and kick coverage man.
Heiden = victory
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
Jennings and Davis= Browns Smash and Dash
cut lewis he can’t run anymore. How can they have a starting running back who can’t run! it makes no sense. Cut him, start Quinn and let these two young guys be the 1 and 2 backs and do what they were born to do. Go Browns!
Once again…..let’s see these guys do this in the regular season before we start proclaiming their greatness. We’re not going to cut Lewis — we can give Davis some carries in the regular season and see how he does. If he looks this good against first team defenses then he’ll get more carries. But let’s not get too excited about guys performing well in the preseason against backups.
Jennings is nothing special. There’s a reason he was a free agent one month ago.
I am having a hard time believing we actually benefit from cutting Lewis. Someone had a 7th rounder for Louis Leonard, someone has a draft pick for Lewis if we really want to get rid of him.
And, he got some guaranteed money so its not like we would free up cap space; his signing bonus will accelerate in to the cap this year. its only a roster spot, and I’d rather have Lewis over Jennings, Herron, or Ali.
Right. People are getting way too excited over a few preseason games and think we have a bunch of great running backs waiting in the wings. What benefit do we get from cutting Lewis? If he looks bad over the first few games then Davis will get more carries and maybe — maybe — take over the starting job. But if people think we’re going to cut Lewis to rely on guys like Herron and Jennings then I think that’s crazy.
I really don’t think Lewis could net us a draft pick. He is obviously a better player than Leonard but the acquiring team also assumes his contract, which in the case of Leonard was nothing. High priced players, older “name” players get cut all the time because team’s don’t want to trade the future of a guy they will have under contract for 6 years for a guy on his last legs for at best a year or two.
Not even a 7th rounder? I really think that pick is out there. Lewis’ contract is short, it would be a really sellable move to a fan base, and a GM could make a high-upside move (acquiring a goal-line back, a veteran to spell younger players, etc.) for very little risk.
It would be hard not to do as a GM for a contending team who needed to win now and wouldn’t have much room for 7th rounders on the roster anyway. The Cards would have that pick, particularly if Beanie goes down or Hightower gets cranky because he isn’t starting.
It’s close. I think teams if they knew Lewis was being offered in a trade would know the Browns don’t want him and would likely cut him if they couldn’t find a taker. In that case, the contract is null and a team can take a chance on him for something on a small one year deal.
Browns Regular and Postseason 09'10 Projected Record: 19-0
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Breakdown Top 3 Skill Position Comparisons to 07’08 Pats
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07’Pats-Brady 09’ Browns-Quinn
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07’Pats-Maroney 09’ Browns-Davis, Jennings
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WR
07’Pats-Moss, Stallworth, Welker 09’Browns Edwards, Cribbs, Furrey
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Wow, calling Davis and Jennings with the advantage over the Pats’ backfield! And our WRs over the Pats’! Hahaha.
I’m getting slightly annoyed over all the Jennings praise. That game meant absolutly nothing and nobody understands that. I’m presuming this post to be extremely facetious of course.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
19-0 HA!
I’m not laughing at you, I’m laughing with you. But hey, you never know, right? haha
by Brownie's Year on Sep 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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