2009 Predictions
by fwembt on Sep 5, 2009 12:21 AM EDT
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It's that time of year when we all sit down, gather up the papers and the internets, and start prognosticating. Think this is the year? Think we may never win again? Think we'd be better off with a roster comprised entirely of fullbacks? Here's your chance to get that down in ink. Just as a template, I'll be picking final record, pleasant surprise and crushing disappointment.
Final Record: 6-10.
Right after I fearlessly predicted (last night) that we would suck, I decided to actually look at the schedule. The schedule, it just so happens, is really soft. I think Pittsburgh beats us twice, we split with Baltimore, and we sweep the Bengals. That leaves us 3-3 in division, which isn't awful. I think we can beat Buffalo, Detroit, and Kansas City on the road. Oakland is absolutely awful and should be a win in Cleveland. If you are paying very close attention, you'll notice that is seven wins, where I previously stated six. I'm assuming that, somewhere along the line, we'll lose a game we should, or could, win. I fear Kansas City and would be disgusted were it Cincinnati.
Pleasant Surprise: Mike Furrey.
I'll confess, I really expected nothing out of Furrey coming into training camp. For starters, he is associated with Detroit, not a lovely place anyway and certainly not if you played for the worst team in football history. Secondly, he was hurt and missed a significant amount of time last year. Now, after the preseason, Marla Ridenour has christened him "First Down" Furrey. While I hate contrived and prosaic nicknames, I think Furrey has a chance to play something of a Brian Brennan role in this offense.
Crushing Disappointment: Losing to Denver, again.
I hate Denver. I don't that can be said enough. I loathe Denver. My first memories of Browns football are being surrounded by Broncos fans for The Drive and The Fumble. Denver has become a symbol of everything that is wrong in this world to me. Sadly, I just don't see us going there and beating them. And that makes me feel like crying, again.
General Thoughts:
I think this Browns team is better than most of the mainstream media thinks it is. That said, I don't think it is good. There are too many questions at too many important positions for this team to actually make a push for anything.
I'm on record (lots of records, really) as saying I prefer Derek Anderson to Brady Quinn. With that out there, allow me to posit that I think Quinn can be a very good quarterback in this system. It seems like our offensive schemes are more geared to Quinn's skill set (accuracy, good reads) than Anderson's (throwing the ball very hard, regardless of circumstance) anyway.
Jamal Lewis may want all of us to think he's saving something for the regular season, but I'm not buying. He looks slow in preseason games, people who know say he looks slow in camp. That's not the sign of a back that is going to do anything this year. 1,100 yards at 3.2 YPC isn't going to do it for us. I think RB is a position of weakness on this team and it's going to take more than James Davis to fix that. Jerome Harrison is a rooster illusion at this point.
I'm excited with the things being done here. I wasn't a big Romeo fan near the end (who was?) and I think Mangini is taking the the right. I don't love the completely pointless secrecy around the starting QB, but it's his team, not mine.
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Denver is very, very beatable.
Kyle Orton threw a left-handed INT into the endzone in the preseason, and they are running a 3-4 without a really good NT. That should be enough.
by rufio on Sep 5, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They lost cutler. THAT is enough
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 6, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they gained Dawkins. Who literally scares the crap out of me.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes like 36 though
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is my point
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 6, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That he won’t play like we were used to him playing in, say, 2000 or 2001. If Dawkins was still in his prime, I’d be terrified. He is not (and Philly would never have let him go if he were). He’s still smart, but he isn’t close to as fast as he was.
My guess is we will run a lot against Denver. They are reasonably well-equipped against the pass (or at least were in the preseason). Dumervil looks good rushing the passer at OLB but nobody else in that front 7 looked great. Williams is pretty good, but we can block him.
by rufio on Sep 6, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels
Maybe Josh is destroying the Broncos to get back at them for all the heartbreaking losses he experienced as a child growing up a Browns fan.
In all seriousness I think the Broncos will be the surprise team in the NFL and win that division at 9-7.
by TheCommish on Sep 8, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not likely going to start for us.
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by kentuckybronco on Sep 9, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have kyle orton!
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 8, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...........
He has made some major improvements since his first preseason game meltdown.
He has thrown progressively fewer interceptions as the preseason went on.
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by kentuckybronco on Sep 9, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he’s still Kyle Orton. I live in Boulder and watch the games out here. He isn’t Jay Cutler.
by rufio on Sep 9, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not good. I will issue a public apology if I am wrong on this.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do Kyle Orton’s left hand and Kyle Orton’s right hand have in common? They both throw interceptions
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many more turnovers did Quinn have in week 1 than Orton????
2. There ya go. Orton had 0 turnovers. Maybe his “left and right hand” didn’t show up to the game because he didn’t throw any interceptions. He did have a qb rating of 101.7, though.
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by kentuckybronco on Sep 18, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, that was one game. You can’t make any judgements based one single game, especially when the Browns were playing the Vikings — universally regarded as one of the best D’s in the NFL — while the Broncos were playing the Bengals.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you that the Vikings have been very good at causing turnovers in the past.
Like you said, it was one game. You don’t know that the Vikings are going to continue to be “one of the best D’s in the NFL”. They lost Darren Sharper this offseason. That hurt.
Again, the bengals are a very different team. They got Maualuga and he is a MONSTER. I thought Eddie Royal was dead after he got blasted by Rey. Keith Rivers is back from his broken jaw from Hines Ward. Dhani Jones is the veteran leader. They also got Tank Johnson and Roy Williams this offseason. So, they have improved every layer of that defense. It’s pretty stout. Be careful with the bengals, you guys. They aren’t going to be terrible this season like they usually are.
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by kentuckybronco on Sep 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a ballsy prediction. I commend you.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they will be the surprise team in the NFL, but idk about the Broncos winning the west.
Even as a koolaid drinking fan of the Broncos, I don’t see us beating the chargers for the division. They just have too much talent, right now.
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by kentuckybronco on Sep 9, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no freaking way. The Broncos have 2 wins written all over them.
Other than Champ Bailey on defense, is anyone else really good? Maybe D.J. Williams? And on offense the same thing goes. Ryan Clady, very good. Brandon Marshall, crazy as hell.
Not to mention that the coaching staff could lose that team in the middle of week 1.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 9, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams is good, Dumervil looks really good at his OLB spot, Dawkins was a GREAT player maybe 5 years ago, Eddie Royal is pretty good, I am betting Moreno turns out pretty good. Clady is good. Goodman looked good during the preseason, but not awesome.
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like broncos will be getting win 2 vs Cleveland
by TheCommish on Sep 15, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm…no
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 15, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on their demonstrated ability to manifest miraculous Hail Mary plays?
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we can go 8-8 but I’m going to say 7-9. And I’m glad to see that you changed your attitude a bit after looking at the schedule. I think this team will be better than a lot of people around the league think, but a big part of that will be what kind of play we get from our quarterback.
By the way, I think you meant to call James Harrison a roster illusion, but rooster illusion is much, much funnier.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 5, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I think you meant to call James Harrison a roster illusion, but rooster illusion is much, much funnier.
No, it’s a quote from Tropic Thunder. I’m not sure what it means, but roster illusion is probably the same idea.
by fwembt on Sep 5, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
record: 5-11
James Davis blows our socks off
biggest, soul-crushing disappointment: losing to the Steelers. twice. AGAIN.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
by BringBackKosar on Sep 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone remember the win we got against them a few years ago? 16 – 15. That wasn’t a fluke win was it?
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also lost 10-6 last year, and if Romeo knows how to manage the clock we have a real shot at winning that game.
It’s really hard for everything to go as expected in the NFL. I think we finally get the steelers this year simply because they’ve gotten us so many times in a row. I also think we drop one to the Bengals or both to the Ravens.
by rufio on Sep 5, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that game. The wind was miserable.
by Cols714 on Sep 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mo you go 1-5 within the division
by steelerstyle on Sep 12, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read later on a few share my opinion
by steelerstyle on Sep 13, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if James Davis has already blown my socks off?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you should probably hold on to them until the actual games next time.
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were blown off almost every Saturday last Fall. I’ve stopped trying to keep them on.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE CJ! I also love James Davis. Are you not allowed to love both? Spiller isn’t really applicable here though so I didn’t mention him.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 11, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured he would have at least been able to remove one of those socks before Davis was able to get them both.
Spiller is pretty fast.
by rufio on Sep 12, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they were thunder and lightening so they were like one thing. It was hard to distinguish which one was taking my socks off.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 13, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, look who’s here talking football! I knew this would happen once we got you in a fantasy league . . .
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the deepest Football Discussion you will get out of me. You’ve seen me talk baseball and I actually know stuff about baseball.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 11, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Record 6-10
Pleasant surprise: offensive consistency
Crushing disappointment: Mangini is not capable of producing a quality defense.
by danvail on Sep 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of the same talent was on this team in 2007.
10-6
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 5, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With no major injuries
Going off the deep end here (but friends will tell you, I predicted 2007 and 2008 Browns correctly). With no major injuries and using ball control with a renewed self-discipline (& Mangini). Browns will shock the NFL by going 10 – 6 (or better) under the throwing arm of Brady Quinn and a few mind numbing (fool-you) trick offensive plays. Due to an easy schedule and having 5 of their final 8 games at home (after a week rest in mid-season) the Cleveland Browns become a threat to the injury plagued Steelers and Ravens in the AFC North division split with Steelers and sweep the Ravens. This year they make the playoffs at 10-6 (or better). AND win their first playoff game! Players to watch, Quinn, Davis, Robeskie, Cribs and Eric Wright.
Shocker of the season, Cleveland destroys Vikings in first game (like last year’s N.Y. Giants Monday Night Game). No one sees it coming and the players begin to believe!
by stonepatterson on Sep 5, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This, This, a thousand times This.
Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.
by doggrad87 on Sep 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RoBo is at the bottom of the WR depth chart. If anybody it’d be MoMass.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but friends will tell you, I predicted 2007 and 2008 Browns correctly
Riiiiiiiight.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 6, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Record: 5-11
Biggest Suprise: Cribbs becomes the number 2 WR and does well.
Crushing disappointment: Our TE’s combined don’t catch 25 passes.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s a crushing disappointment. I am expecting about 5 total catches from TEs.
by rufio on Sep 5, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t think so. Daboll has instituted a revolutionary 3-tackle O-line, with one of them being slimmer than the other two.
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by rolub on Sep 7, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
record: 7-9
surprise: James Davis becomes our franchise RB.
crushing disappointment: Braylon Edwards doesn’t improve from last years’ dropsies.
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if that’s crushing. I think it’s just the feeling you get when you realize it’s the real world talking.
…Wait, that is crushing disapointment.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-6, based almost solely on the play of Quinn at QB.
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by kwoog on Sep 6, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the play of Coye Francies. (Am I being too optimistic?)
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is much better than Cousin…
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 6, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so am I. so is my 7 year old daughter. so is my 2 year old daughter. so is a bag of wet towels. so is…
by Dawg Nuts on Sep 6, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this year, yes. He’ll make some rookie mistakes. The kid looks like he can play, but he isn’t Champ Bailey.
by rufio on Sep 6, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he isn’t Champ Bailey.
True, but you should have said Nnamdi Asomugha. He’s been the best at corner for 2+ years now, poor guy doesn’t get enough credit because he’s on such a bad team, stories generally surrounding QB, RB, WR or Al Davis.
I thought this stat was damn good:
"In 2007, quarterbacks began to realize that it was a mistake to throw the ball to Asomugha’s side of the field. Only 35 balls were thrown his way all season, and he allowed only 10 completions that season. That was an average of only 2.1 passes thrown to his side a game.
By comparison, Champ Bailey was thrown to 63 times last season and 37 of those balls were completed. That means about 59 percent of the balls thrown his way are completed, compared to Asomugha’s 29 percent."
Hopefully we can see Coye Francies grow into a defender of that caliber eventually.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 7, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If francies turns into either one, I will be VERY happy
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Champ Bailey now < Asomugha now.
Champ Bailey in his prime > Asomugha in his prime.
Bailey in his prime was the standard to which all other CBs of the modern era are compared…but I never really meant to bring up a discussion about who is the best DB in the NFL right now, I was just saying that Francies isn’t close to being in that discussion. Thanks, though.
by rufio on Sep 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Baily is much easier to type.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Either this is the best piece of ironic writing ever or you made a hilarious typo.
by fwembt on Sep 7, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, hilarious typo. But I should pretend that I did it on purpose.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. I was just brought it up because it seems he often gets look over in CB discussions.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 7, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does and is probably the best in the NFL right now. Too bad he plays for the Raiders. Do you think we could trade someone off the street who runs a 4.2 40 for him? Or maybe Francies?
by rufio on Sep 8, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, that might not be a bad idea. I would sincerely hope for the sake of the Oakland fans that someone in that organization could convince Al Davis to never trade him. Ah hell, what do I care about Oakland fans? Lets do it!
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 8, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad we don’t have a 30 year old DE/DT in the last year of his deal. Rumor has it Al will pay an arm and a leg for those type of guys.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 9, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I know, right? That whole situation is hilarious.
Even if it all went smoothly, I’d wondering, a first round pick, really?!?
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I know, right? That whole situation is hilarious.
Even if it all went smoothly, I’d wondering, a first round pick, really?!?
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 9, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sticking to those Harrison predictions?
by fwembt on Sep 8, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it’s much more unlikely now compared to when I originally said it, and even then it was a stretch. With the injury and emergence of James Davis, it is definitely questionable that he’ll get 90+ carries, but assuming he’ll still be the #2 back there is still the potential, I think.
I feel sort of committed to the prediction as well. I won’t abandon it quite yet, plus if I end up being close to his real numbers, the less likely it was; the more “rewarding” I’ll feel for predicting it.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 8, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve made this comment before, but through Quinn’s play is the only way we have a chance to win 10+games. Without strong play from the ever-vital QB position, we cannot be good. As the QB goes, our record will follow.
by danvail on Sep 10, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Record: 8-8
Surprise: Brady Quinn is Beast
Dissapointment: We still are a while a way from contending.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I consider 8-8 contending, but not for the Super Bowl
by Roger Dorn on Sep 6, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could be this year’s Chargers.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 7, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for 8-8. We have a nicely set up schedule, and I think the harder part of our schedule will underestimate the Browns early in the season due to the last place predictions.
Biggest surprise: Kam Wimbley
Crushing disappointment: No playoffs….I am always crushed when I have to watch the playoffs without the Browns part of it
by Roger Dorn on Sep 6, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Record: 7-9
Biggest surprise: Alex Hall’s flashes of dominance in 08 and 09 preseasons translates to 09 regular season.
Littlest surprise: Jamal Lewis’s longest run of the year is 16 yards.
Crushing disappointment: The 7-9 record leaves us 3 games out of a WC, but only 2 out of the AFC North as 9-7 is good enough for the division crown. Two games were lost due to Jamal Lewis’s inability to gain short yardage in crucial situations.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Sep 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Kiss Your Arse On 50 yard line with 3-3 record in Division
by realmccoy on Sep 7, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t want your lips that close to me. How about you just post on here and congratulate us?
by fwembt on Sep 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play to win on offense
If the line is good the Browns can score points if Mangini open up the play book and lets who ever is quarterback use it. Brylon, Josh and rookie recievers give the Browns a good reciever group. the Defense is the question can they slow teams down.
by miked019us on Sep 7, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Predictions / QB
Schedule should give us every chance to make 8 / 8. I agree with a split in the conference, but could even survive with a 2 / 4, given the outside conference competition.
I would like to claim game one, but given the uncertainty we bring in at QB, I have to believe the need for us to prep with 2 QB’s more than offsets the need for MIN to do so.
Who should it be? Well you make good points, but with one aspect you pointed to, I think you discount the penchant for ManG to play it close to the vest. I think his protective nature includes a very deep adversity to turnovers, and while you make many good points “for” DA, I believe ManG wants the O to avoid big mistakes, and DA is a risk taker, because of his arm strength and nature. I don’t see that fitting with ManG’s vision for a team with so many other weaknesses to overcome.
Phsychologically I think you are 100% correct that DA as starter is more status quo, and gives the Coach, BQ and DA the safest, face saving way out, with probably little real impact on the overall record. Neither has “won” the job and it could be argued that throwing BQ in now is like setting him up to fail (new coach, new system, new line, aging running game = more QB pressure).
The flip side is the possibility of another year without learning what BQ offers and an up / down week to week DA who still leaves us wondering. Thank God I don’t have to pick which one.
by browntownken on Sep 8, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
record: 6-10
biggest surprise: non-suck run defense
crushing disappointment: we don’t win a game in the AFC N
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 8, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t even think we can beat the Bengals once? That would suck.
by fwembt on Sep 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s why it’s the crushing disappointment … we CAN beat the bengals, but i don’t think we will. i’m going a little bit extra-aggressive with this prediction (i’m not sure i’m totally convinced that we go 0-6 in the division), but i don’t think it’s absurd on its face.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t even think we can beat the Ravens once? That would suck.
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by kwoog on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t even think we can beat the Steelers once? That would suck.
2009 Prediction: Att - Yds - TD
Jerome Harrison 95 - 532 - 8
by Simmsinns on Sep 8, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Har har! I say Bengals once… sure thing. Ravens once… mebbe. Stelars once… my sources say no.
I’ll tell you what though. I’d take another 4-12 season if one of the 4 was Stelars at home. Why not? We beat the Giants last year.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t even think we can beat the . . . oh, wait, we’re out of teams.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done, guys.
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by kwoog on Sep 8, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t even think we can beat ourselves once? That would be nice
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your surprise. I think this showed in the Tennessee game even without Rogers.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Sep 9, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We played each game without rogers
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9-7
Keys to success – Coaching, QB Play and Cribbs
Coaching recieved a major upgrade in terms of a game plan, a defense who will get after the QB and throw the kitchen sink at times. They have a plan to limit info and have stuck
with it and coaching is a major factor in the NFL.
QB Play – this will determine our season, we have a good line and good wr&te’s. Our running game will start slow but will improve as the season goes on IF the QB plays well. I’m looking fwd to that being behind us.
Cribbs – Will he play without a new contract? If he holds out all bets are off. Why? YAC and YAK! Every touch he can turn in to big gains. A mean stiff-arm and plays with the inensity and heart of cleveland fans. Starting on the 45 will help our offense successed.
Go Browns! Beat Pittsburg!
by Guage80 on Sep 9, 2009 9:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yards After Kick? Do you just mean return yardage, or is Cribbs going to do something completely new?
by rufio on Sep 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha he’s gunna get the ball and kick it back and run and chase for it again.
Hence the yards after the kick.
by skipkirk on Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that wouldn’t be the most intelligent strategy, but is that legal? Would it be counted as a fumble, a forward pass, or a punt?
by rufio on Sep 10, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Browns Fans Will Require Patience
7-9
This represents a decent improvement from the team of last year as we have a much easier schedule based upon last years w/l records.
Upside
- Coaching and Preparation – Coach Crennel was a disaster. It didn’t even look like football sometimes. Now I see something that looks competitive. I like the different alignments and looks on both the offense and defense. I know things looked shaky at times during pre-season on the preparation side but I think it shows that Coach Mangini has made this a priority and I expect less penalties, better 2-minute offense and a crisper pace.
- Running defense – Plugging holes better and sensing the run better. And we still haven’t seen the team with Rogers in.
- Pass Pressure – We seemed to be pressuring the opposing QBs a lot better than last year. True, not saying much, but it is an improvement. I think defensive play calling has a lot to do with this. Much less rushing of 3 guys.
Downside
- Running Game – it looked sloppy and did not have the power I expected. Look for more trickery than you’ve seen in the past.
- Pass Defense – just looked all around sloppy and porous. I think the secondary and linebackers are still learning the system and need time to stop making mental errors.
About The Patience
In our first 8 games we have the difficult part of the schedule. 5 of the teams we play are legitimate playoff contenders. We could come out of the first 8 games with a 2-6 or 3-5 record. If it is 2-6 there will be a lot of despair from the fans and many will give up. But I think there will be a big run at the end of the season which will have a winning percentage.
Wild Prediction
IF the Browns win 4 or their first 8 games… and this is a BIG IF… they will go 10-6 for the season. I truely thing this is what Coach Mangini is trying to do this year. Watch what happens in the Vikings game. Look for him to pull out all the stops—wildcat, reverses, Statue of Liberty… I think we’ll see it all. Yeeeeehaaaaw!!!
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didnt feel like making a new fanpost for this, but here are my predictions, er guesses for this season:
AFC North
Pitt 13-3 (5-1), Bal 11-5 (4-2), Cle 7-9 (2-4), Cin 3-13 (1-5)
AFC East
NE 13-3 (6-0), Jets 8-8 (2-4), Buffalo 5-11 (2-4), Miami 4-12 (2-4)
AFC South
Indy 13-3 (4-2), Tenn 12-4 (4-2), Hou 8-8 (3-3), Jax 5-11 (1-5)
AFC West
SD 12-4 (5-1), Den 6-10 (3-3), KC 4-12 (3-3), Oak 2-14 (1-5)
NFC East
Phi 11-5 (5-1), Giants 10-6 (3-3), Dal 9-7 (3-3), Wash 7-9 (1-5)
NFC North
GB 12-4 (4-2), Minn 11-5 (4-2), Chi 11-5 (4-2), Det 3-13 (0-6)
NFC South
NO 12-4 (3-3), Atlanta 9-7 (4-2), Carolina 6-10 (3-3), TB 4-12 (2-4)
NFC West
Seattle 10-6 (4-2), AZ 8-8 (3-3), SF 6-10 (4-2), StL 4-12 (1-5)
Sadly I could not predict a win over Pitt this season (I wanted to, I did). I also have us starting 2-6 (wins at Denver and Buffalo). But after the bye, I have us 5-3 (losing to SD, Pitt, and Jax)
by talonk on Sep 10, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty safe, but Miami has a good team
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have a solid foundation for the team. If we had a great RB and S, we would be scary
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 10, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take another pass rusher and a young, athletic ILB. Maybe a good young RG or RT, too, before I whipped out “scary” as an adjective.
by rufio on Sep 11, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I agree, a solid foundation. We have a great LT and NT, that’s huge.
by rufio on Sep 11, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. We’re more than a couple players away from “scary”.
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 11, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know…sometimes watching the Browns absolutely scares the hell out of me.
by drjeo on Sep 11, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We are a few players from being scary in either direction.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Ed Reed and Steve Slaton I think we would be scary
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just makes me want to puke when I can’t see us going better than 1-5 in the division.
I honestly wish that my father had been a Giants or Bears fan or something, because this team is getting really hard to take.
Having said that, if they manage to beat the Vikings, I might get a logo tattoo.
by Pruitt on Sep 11, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to operate under the assumption that, under Mangini, we are not going to be an absolute disaster. Hopefully that’s not a stretch.
With that said, I think there are five potential disaster teams on our (very easy) schedule: Denver, Kansas City, Oakland, Detroit and Buffalo. So I’m going to give us five wins there (of course, those teams are counting the Browns among their few winnable games, but hey). Then I think we split with the Bengals, and pull out one fluky win somewhere else, and we’re left with seven wins — I’d be very happy with that.
Positive developments: Brady Quinn is a solid, if unspectacular, NFL quarterback.
Negative developments: Jamal Lewis still starts all season, and is still terrible.
Crushing disappointment: We all get excited that we’re moving in the right direction, have a tougher schedule in 2010, and go 6-10.
by Chemo on Sep 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate making record predictions because I think I am way off every single year. I’ll skip that part.
Pleasant Surprise: Robaire Smith, full recovered from last year’s injury, provides Shaun Rogers with the right teammate he needed to be even more dominant on the defensive line. In turn, Smith also becomes a key contributor in pass rushing and run stopping.
Biggest Disappointment: Beyond special teams, the rookie development in Brian Robiskie, Kaluka Maiava, and David Veikune is minimal this year.
Braylon Edwards Prediction: Not as dominant as 2007, but a lot better than 2008. Drops are still there, but not at the critical junctures of games.
Harrison or Davis: It’s still Jerome Harrison = Leon Washington.
Total Cribbs Touchdowns: 10 (4 returns, 1 rushing, 4 receiving, 1 throwing)
I won’t go with a prediction record, so I’ll do the AFC North order of finish:
1. Pittsburgh
2. Baltimore
3. Cleveland
4. Cincinnati
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 13, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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