Who Spilled the Beans on Browns Starting QB -- Terrell Owens?
by Chris Pokorny on Sep 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
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PrintCould it possibly be that Terrell Owens of all people was the first one to break the word on who the Browns starting quarterback is? On his Twitter feed not too long ago, Owens posted the following:
"Congrats 2 Brady Quinn 4 starting job w/Cleveland Browns!!"
It's easy to believe that one of the Browns players could have told Owens. With that type of information, why not unleash it? The other possibility is that Owens could have misinterpreted a few Associated Press reports that indicated that Derek Anderson might have spilled the beans.
UPDATE (3:40 PM): Shortly after Owens' tweet, Mary Cay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer posted the following:
"Brady Quinn has won the quarterback competition and will start Sunday's game against the Vikings, a league source told The Plain Dealer today."
It remains to be seen whether or not that league source is one of the Buffalo Bills starting receivers.
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Nope. What a stupid charade this whole thing has been. You have to wonder if the nonstop speculation of this by the team was a large distraction. Mangini could have just told everyone last week and been done with it. Instead you get a circus. I find this whole episode rather odd.
Didnt you use to post here without trasing the Browns?
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, one of the advantages of hiring a head coach with experience was to avoid this sort of thing.
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Still High on Mangini
But I completely agree with your point. This situation was a joke – and he prolly should have avoided it. Still – I give him preliminary high marks for:
1. WR group looks super improved.
2. Ditto DL
3. Use of Cribbs and apparent Wimbley improvement
4. Ran a tough and disciplined camp
once again the analyists are talking browns for the wrong reasons, agree kwoog that this should have been avoided with an experienced coach.
that said, i love many things he has done.
darn it, i am not asking for a Super Bowl (yet), just be competitive! Is that too much to ask for?
I think the lesson to take from all of this, and I truly believe it, is that it really doesn’t matter what the media says or when they know any of the information. The Browns will win if they are prepared and play better on Sunday, they will lose if they are the worse team. What the media says or knows prior to the game won’t change the outcome, it will just give them something to write about. I frankly don’t care at all that he withheld this information.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This also. regardless, Browns, Indians, Cavs, Ohio State the media will usually have a negative slant no matter what we do anyway.
I for one think that the players could care less who starts. There may be some who like Quinn better on a personal level ditto for Anderson but it’s not like either guy was established.
This wasn’t Young vs. Montana or anything…..
I favored Anderson but hope Quinn does great and finally settles the position for a while.
I don’t think it’s about the media. It’s also about the distraction to the team. I’m not one to ever defend the media (ask Buckeye Brad about this) but in this case it is an actual story, not a made up story. Considering that every team named a starting QB except one, of course the media is going to run with it.
I suppose. I think it’s all about perception. The team is certainly capable of handling it without making it a distraction. The media will portray it as a distraction for sure.
That is true. And I agree that the media portrays everything as a distraction, as if a football team can’t focus on football.
I probably don’t pay enough attention to who posts what, but I assumed you were a Browns fan this whole time.
Sorry. It’s mostly because my entire family and most of my friends are Browns’ fans that I’m around. Plus the Browns have so much more to talk about than the Steelers right now.
i wish i had been raised a steelers fan, saved me lots of pain and misery over the years…prolly added a few years to my life, too.
I wasn’t even raised a Browns fan. Moved to Ohio when I was 8, but had prior alliegances that went out the window when I was old enough to start attending games. So in a sense, I willfully converted to this misery.
I chose to be a Browns fan, and I dont even live in Ohio!! Most people around me are Colts or Titans fans(Yeah now you’re really thinking Im stupid), but I became a Browns fan when you-know-who was drafted.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if we traded Quinn, do you see yourself jumping ship? Or are you a committed Browns fan now, regardless of BQ?
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by Chris Pokorny on Sep 9, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I dont wanna think about my boy being traded.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But It would be hard to not watch a little bit of a team I spent a summer finding so much about
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was raised a 49ers fan. My earliest memories of football were Jerry Rice and Joe Montana. I remember him going down and having Steve Young have to step in and being really upset. I was in a hotel room. They had ping pong, which I played for the first time.
That is all.
withholding the info isn’t the issue necessarily, its that the browns have been the laughing stock of the NFL for too long…
…if the reports are true, then I agree with the decision…so…roger dorn…i agree that what’s more important is that the right decisions are made, and not what the media is saying. I agree with you there…
…i just want the media to have good things to say about us, but we have to give them a reason, and, to me, SUNDAY IS AS GOOD A TIME AS ANY! GO BROWNS!
I love watching the media feeding frenzy. I’ve always been amazed when looking at something I know about just how bad the press is at getting it right. If the Plain Dealer broke this on a Twitter from T.O. that just makes me laugh.
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I’m just thankful this is all over with. I would have had to throw something if DA walked out with the starting offense on Sunday.
I agree. Regardless of the potential damage, I think he’s going to move the football and put copious amounts of points on the board. He’ll know how to run a two minute drill, he won’t be looking to the sidelines on whether or not to call a timeout, and he won’t go through stretches of 7 incompletions in a row. We may not beat Minnesota, but if Mangini sticks with this move, 7 wins is the floor.
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Yea, I too am just thankful its over. Wheres fwenbt?
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who was supporting Quinn, I can’t say that I am all that excited. I guess ultimately I just want to win before I get excited about anything.
Lost in this Circus
BQ had a helluva preseason and looked really good. I really think he will be an above average NFL QB and really good leader. He handled this whole thing with alot of class and leadership.
No knock on DA – I thought he did some nice things too – just not quite as consistent.
Just think: If Brett Favre texted this info to TO, it would be hyped on ESPN for months.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Sep 9, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
But only if he were throwing passes to Mississippi high schoolers and TO were in his driveway doing a dumbbell workout.
And he was crying while Brett Favre was also having a talk with his daughter about returning to the NFL.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Do any of you guys think Childress actually believes for certain that it will be Quinn? Do any of you think this actually changed the level of certainty that Childress had that it would be Quinn?
I am going yes and not at all, respectively.
I actually agree with Mangini’s approach, as far as trying to keep as much info from the Vikings as possible.
When you’re trying to pull off a win, you need every advantage you can get. I don’t see anything wrong with pulling out all the stops.
by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 9, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i could see it with any other position other than quarterback, but you know in the nfl the qb is the face of the franchise. i like the approach of pick your guy early and move on. also, i think it makes mangini look silly. every team in the nfl has announced their starting qb. like every analyst has said, the vikings arent going to change their defense for brady quinn. i like the guy as our coach, but mangini loses credibility with this idea of a competitive advantage.
Cleveland and OSU homer
mangini loses credibility with this idea of a competitive advantage
i really disagree with this. of the three of us, he’s the one who’s been a d-coord and had to prepare game plans for opposing offenses. EVERYTHING this guy does has purpose and has been thought through … if he tells me that it’s a competitive advantage — even a slight one — to make the other team spend time prepping for 2 qb’s, i’ll take his word for it.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this, I think. I’m not sure it’s that big of a deal, but if it doesn’t hurt the Browns then why not do it? They could use every bit of help possible.
Exactly my point. SI’s Ross Tucker has been bashing Mangini for not naming the starter, saying that this is going to confuse the team and disrupt the rhythm they have with their leader.
I say, the starters going to practice with the first team this week, so what’s the harm? How is that confusing? The team likes, and will play for, both guys. I don’t see how its a problem.
by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Remember that there was a QB competition in 2007, which Anderson also lost. The product of that competition was 29 TD passes and a Probowl appearance for DA. I would gladly take those results for Quinn (or for DA, for that matter) this season. The point is, the competition did nothing to hamper the readiness of the QB, although admittedly Frye didn’t benefit much. Still, good results can still occur even when the QB is unnamed until the end of camp.
My biggest problem with sportswriters is that they fail to acknowlege how quickly teams turn around in the NFL. Every year they act like there is 0 possibility for a bad team to get good, and every year they are stunned when a team like Miami last year makes the playoffs. Stop being dense! It happens every year.
Agreed! All the media hype here seems like product of people with few ideas and many column inches to fill. Manufactured controversy. If the team didn’t seem at peace with the competition, it might be different. As it is, this seems like a non-issue.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Sep 10, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
In addition
If you have a TEAM that needs to focus on keeping AP in check and running the ball against a stout defense, does it matter who is in at QB as long as they are prepared?
On the other side, you have a team trying to get their new QB in a groove with the offense and, as DontCallMeJoey aptly states, if they spend just a part of a practice on DA, common sense tells us that it takes away from their preparation?
The team knows who was picked and may have known even before the last preseason game for all we know, they aren’t being messed with, and they can see that both QB’s were given a chance to win the job…doesn’t that help the team believe in the coach more?
Every little gimmick and trick can be the difference between a team picked to be a bottom dweller winning in week 1 over a team picked to win their division. Isn’t that why we pay a coach, to find and use any advantage at their disposal?
by blockersave93 on Sep 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i just hope the leash is long and quinn doesnt get hurt so we get to see if quinn is the answer or not.
Cleveland and OSU homer
Yes. Quinn should get every opportunity to prove that he is the future. Waffling on the QB choice, especially for a known mediocrity like Anderson, is the worst thing that Mangini could do.
it’s hard to characterize his approach to the qb situation as “waffling”, isn’t it? he held a competition, and clearly made his decision in advance of the final pre-season game (as evidenced by his decision not to play the two competitors for a second). the fact that he withheld announcing that decision doesn’t speak to any sort of waffling or indecisiveness.
and now that he’s made that decision, you can count on him sticking with quinn unless things get really, really ugly.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He has also said that once he picks a guy he will stick with that guy. He kind of tried to stay neutral on that question, but then said something like “no, I can’t see myself going back and forth: once I pick a guy I’ll stick with that guy”.
I think that’s the important part about this: once you pick a guy, stick with that guy.
I agree. Mangini needs to air it out this year so we can see just what Quinn can do. Stay loyal to the running game with Lewis/Davis (with Harrison in there as long as he’s healthy), but continue to let Quinn make plays whenever he can.
i’m thinking a long bomb to braylon edwards on the opening play of the year. the browns did this on the opening play of ’06 from frye to edwards for an 80 yd td, but it was called back due to holding.
Cleveland and OSU homer
St. Clair was against Quinn starting (Detroit game). So I see like three holding penalties a drive.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we are going to be able to run the ball against the Williams wall. If we do I would like to see us run some sweeps with Davis and Harrison and try and wear those two monsters down. If we don’t, we are going to get bubkis up the middle.
by Bernie19Kosar on Sep 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, but what kind of unholy Hell would break loose is we woke up on Sunday and saw DA coming out onto the field for the first possession? I’ve been expecting Quinn to get the nod, but I’d feel a lot better if something came out from the team.
I too am scared about that
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What are we talkin' 'bout? Distractions?
Listen…if this wasn’t going to be the big distraction, something else would. Can Braylon catch a ball? Will Jamal be able to get past the Williams wall? Will Cribbs show up to play? Does Rogers want to go back to Detroit?
Mangini took all those possible story lines and squashed them. He put the distraction on the shoulder of his leaders. The QBs. Everything else played second fiddle to that and that’s fine. These are the field generals, they should take the bullets and lead the team. Everyone from former coaches, to fans to media seem to know what’s right and what’s wrong…but everyone of them is a backseat driver. We gave Magini the keys…let him drive and see if he can get us to where we need to be. Don’t complain about the ride when the car hasn’t even left the garage.
I think Mangini handled this the best way possible: he was respectful to both players in this competition. The winner and the loser of the competition got to find out before everyone else. This way, Derek Anderson didn’t have to learn that he lost the job and then face the pack of media hyenas five seconds afterward. This was a tough battle, both guys put their all into it, and they deserve this respect. It might not have been the best for us, for the media, or even for the image of the organization, but it was the best for the players. A classy move.
Fully Test Quinn and the rest is simple
I think either QB would have difficulty with this team this year. 6-10 seems a little optimistic to me. So Mangenious needs to see what he has in BQ and if he is not the answer – trade him next year – keep DA – and draft our new QB (Jevan Snead, Sam Bradford). If BQ is the answer, draft Tennessee safety Eric Berry or USC’s Taylor Mays, and trade DA. Simple. Who needs a scouting dept?
I really love Taylor Mays athleticism, but Berry is just always where he needs to be. I think I’d take berry If I had to choose. But I say trade into the first round and take both:)
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 9, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I get a vibe that reminds me of the Ed Reed Roy Williams debate.
Taylor Mays is Roy Williams, Berry is Ed Reed. Williams went 6th overall in that draft, Reed in the 20s.
I’d take him also but Taylor is gonna knock some socks off at the combine. Its gonna be hard passing on a 6’3, 230 pound safety who runs a 4.3 and benches 225 25 times.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 9, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Berry is so much better, but I dont know if he will make it out of the top 5.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 9, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have the jaw-popping Taylor Mays thank you very much.
At this point, we just need someone who can rotate with Pool and try to keep him healthy. If we miss out on either, I’m not apposed to grabbing Kurt Coleman in the later rounds.
by BrownDawg1409 on Sep 9, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Buckeye Coleman? That’s just Buckeye bias my friend.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 9, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. But we all have little positive bias when it comes to Buckeye players. I jumped through a freaking hoop when we drafted Robo.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not me! haha
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i mean, this is just not true. mays is far from the second coming of rey maualuga (big hits, questionable skills). this guy is super big time … every bit as good as eric berry.
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d say he’s every bit as good as berry but he will be a pro-bowler
by The Licensed Pessimist on Sep 10, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mays cant cover.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i think they both end up a lot like reed, quite frankly. mays is way too fast to be roy williams (who is slow).
I reserve the right to complain about Gimenez at 1B and Carroll in the OF, no matter the facts. - FredOx
by DontCallMeJoey on Sep 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
TO said he was joking on twitter and is blaming ESPN for taking it.
I bet Mangini thinks it’s real funny.
Which only proves that Mary’s source was TO. Nice journalism skills…
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 9, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The big secret
If you wanna talk about how Mangini is screwing with the league, it ain’t about the QBs anyways…it is about Big Baby. Do the Vikings spend time on game planning on a guy they have no real idea if he is going to be playing or not. Any small tweek for our defense will be helpful for containing AP. As much heat as Mangini may get for messing with the media on the QB decision, he may make a bigger difference with the defense and hiding Rodgers status.
I think it’s pretty clear that Rogers is playing. He’s been practicing this week, right?
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Defineingly!
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Sep 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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