A Look Back: 1999 NFL Draft
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 11, 2010 3:00 AM EST
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Pour a drink, this is going to be a rough one.
Tim Couch stopped smiling when he looked at the rest of the Browns roster.
I have never been so excited for a NFL Draft like I was for '99. I had been armchair scouting for three seasons.
There wasn't a clear cut choice the number one choice. We had four contenders.
Akili Smith: He was a one year wonder. He was a great athlete (drafted by the Pirates) and made huge strides in his senior season. He was raw and had all the tools. Who cares if he only played in 11 games? Right? Right?!
Donovan McNabb: 45 career starts at the 'Cuse. He set (at the time) Big East records in Passing TD's, TD's responsible for, passing yards, total offensive yards, and total offensive plays. In other words, McNabb was a great college QB. McNabb had a problem though. He played in an option offense that didn't pass as much as the other top QB's. Coming out of the 'Cuse, McNabb was mostly compared to Kordell Stewart. A great athlete just playing QB.
Ricky Williams: Most draft experts labeled the most prolific college rusher of all-time the surest pick of the '99 NFL draft. He had it all. At the combine it came out that Ricky had small hands and that he would struggle with fumbles for his career (46 so yeah, it was an issue) and that he was "aloof'. No mention of the fact that his urine was probably as green as a Sprite bottle.
Tim Couch: Couch had great numbers. 71.5%, 38 TD's and over 4,600 yards. Never mind that he played in a run and shoot offense. His offensive coordinator at Kentucky was Mr. System himself Mike Leach. Couch was rarely asked, if ever, to read a defense. He had a quick release and a strong arm. The only thing that was missing was the question that everyone had. Was the offense at Kentucky a system that allowed any QB to look good? (Considering any QB that has put on a TTech jersey seems to throw for 5,000 yards, I would lean towards, yes it is a great system.)
Those were the Browns options for the number one pick. Never mind that the Saints were willing to give everything and anything for the chance to select Ricky Williams. The Browns weren't interested in that. They wanted a QB.
1st pick, 1st Round, 1st Overall: Tim Couch
Allow me a quick second to defend Couch right here. Given the fact that he had no running game, no weapons at WR other than rookies, and zero protection for the majority of his career, I would say that Tim Couch did better than anyone could have reasonable expected. He didn't have a chance at being Peyton Manning. Heck, he didn't have a chance at being Eli Manning.
Career Stats:
22-37 as a starter
1025-1714, 59.8 Completion Percentage, 64 TD's, 67 INT's, 6.5 Yards Per Attempt, 75.1 QB Rating
In a perfect world we would have taken the Saints insane trade offer and taken Champ Bailey in the first and loaded up the roster with a boatload of draft picks. But judging from the rest of this draft, I am willing to bet that the front office would have crapped the bed on the rest of the picks also. I told you, this wasn't going to be pretty.
Players we could have drafted: (Yes I know this is stupid and 100% subjective to many factors, but I always like looking back at who we "could have drafted" just for fun.) I'm going to save time and say that out of the top 11 picks in the '99 draft, 8 went to the Pro Bowl. Couch, Smith, and Chris Claiborne didn't. We missed.
1st pick, 2nd Round, 32nd Overall: Kevin Johnson WR, Syracuse
This was the pick I hated. We needed offensive lineman. We had the chance to get a two time All-BigTen RT that had started 50 games straight in his career. This isn't a slap at KJ who went on to have a good career with the Browns. We needed lineman. Instead of taking Jon Jansen, who went to the Redskins five picks later and developed into a Pro Bowler, we took a WR from 'Cuse.
Kevin Johnson went on to have a good Browns career. He was cut mid-season in 2003 by Butch Davis amid rumors that William Green had slept with his wife leading to a locker room fight and later a DUI by William Green, and his girlfriend stabbing him. Good times in that locker room.
Good but not great career and his time was cut short in Cleveland.
Career stats:
384 catches, 4595 yards, 25 TD's and 12.0 YPC
Players we could have drafted: Jon Jansen, Mike Rucker, Dre Bly (The Jon Jansen thing still pisses me off.)
14th pick, 2nd Round, 45th Overall: Rahim Abdullah OLB Clemson
Stepped in right away and was the starter at OLB opposite Jamir Miller. Had a unspectacular rookie season in which he 55 tackles and 1 INT. The following season he was replaced by Marty Moore in the starting line-up and was cut after the 2000 season. He played some more football in the CFL, but never played in the NFL again. Considering he was a second rounder, I think you could go ahead and say that Abdullah was a miss.
Career Stats:
71 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 1 INT
Players we could have drafted: Kevin Faulk, Peerless Price, Shaun King, Monte Reagor
1st pick, 3rd Round, 62nd Overall: Daylon McCutheon CB USC
Finally a player who over achieved. It doesn't make any sense to me why Daylon lasted this long, but he did. He was an All-Pac10, second team All-American his senior season and a finalist for the Thorpe award. He was also used on offense at SoCal because he was so athletic.
As a Brown he started 96 games as a Brown. He was always back there and played tough. I always thought that he didn't get enough credit for always covering the other teams best player and playing on some horrible defenses.
For a third round draft pick to get a 7 year starter is an awesome get.
Career Stats:
396 Tackles, 12 INTs, 7 FF, 7 Sacks, and 2 Defensive TD's.
Who could we have drafted: Joey Porter
15th Pick, 3rd Round, 76th Overall: Marquis Smith S Cal
I really wish I could give you some good info on Marquis Smith. I don't have much. He played in three NFL seasons and was never heard from again. It is a sad fact that he actually started 20 games for the Browns. I couldn't pick Marquis Smith out of a police line-up if he was wearing his jersey.
Career Stats:
96 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 Pass Defended. That is it.
Players we could have drafted: Marty Booker, Mike McKenzie, Chike Okeafor, Aaron Smith, Brandon Stokley
28th Pick, 4th Round, 124th Overall: Wali Rainer ILB Virginia
A great value pick. Rainer walked into the Browns and was the starting Mike LB right away. He had a great rookie season in which he lead the Browns with 108 solo tackles. He didn't make many splashy plays, but was a garbage man LB. His other two seasons in Cleveland he had high tackle numbers (117 and 82) but little else when it comes to impact plays. He was traded when Butch Davis came in to Jacksonville.
Career stats:
384 tackles, 6 FF, 4 sacks, 1 INT.
Players we could have drafted: Edwin Mulitaldo, Eric Barton
15th Pick, 5th Round, 147th Overall: Darin Chiaverini WR Colorado
Just to give you an idea on how little Tim Couch had to work with in his rookie season, Chiaverini started in 8 games his rookie season. A fifth rounder draft pick started half the season. He had a decent season grabbing 44 catches for 487 yards and 4 TD's. It proved to be just a tease. He only started two more games in his career and was out of the NFL after four seasons.
Career Stats:
62 catches, 662 yards, 7 TD's
Players we could have drafted: Rod Coleman, David Bowens, Jason Craft
5th Pick, 6th Round, 174th Overall: Marcus Spriggs DT Troy
Spriggs started his collegiate career at The Ohio State University. He moved to Troy to get more playing time. As for the Browns, Spriggs never really got off the ground. He played in 18 games, and then was out of football after two seasons.
Career stats:
17 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR
Players we could have drafted: Desmond Clark
18th Pick, 6th Round, 187th Overall: Kendall Ogle LB Maryland
Yikes. This dude was a rumor. Sports Illustrated didn't even do a write up on him for their draft coverage.
Career Stats:
None. He appeared in two games and did nothing.
Players we could have drafted: We picked 4 picks later so the pickin's were slim, so I went with tOSU punter Brent Bartholomew for kicks.
22nd Pick, 6th Round, 191st Overall: James Dearth Long Snapper Tarleton State
I couldn't make this up if I tried. Dearth was drafted as a long snapper. He played for one season with the Browns before he was let go. He actually caught on with the Jets after he left the Browns and was the Jets long snapper all the way through the 2008 season. I could forgive using a draft pick on a long snapper if we didn't cut him the following season and let him become a long snapper for another team for 10 seasons. This is why we sucked for so long, stupid draft picks like this.
Career Stats:
He actually got 3 catches in 2000 with the Jets. Other than that, he had a crap load of snaps. With the Jets.
Players we could have drafted: Donald Driver
1st Pick, 7th Round, 207th Overall: Madre Hill RB Arkansas
If you blinked you probably missed Madre Hill. he stuck with the Browns through one season. He was a KR as a rookie for the Browns and he was really bad at that (17.1 average). He never had a carry with the Browns. He was picked up by the Raiders the following season and didn't do anything.
Career Stats:
8 KR's for 137 yards. That is it.
Players we could have drafted: Donald Driver
Draft recap:
Zero offensive lineman. 1 defensive lineman. No wonder we sucked. Did I mention that only three of these player lasted longer than three seasons with the Browns? How is that possible? Syndric Steptoe got two seasons! From a draft that was supposed to lay the foundation of this franchise, we got almost nothing from it.
We got extra draft choices, and we just gagged them away. This killed the Browns going forward. Every draft after this was hamstrung by this poor draft.
Considering that the Browns are facing a very important draft this year, hopefully our front office will learn from others mistakes. In theory, building a football team should not be that difficult, but as the '99 front office showed, it is.
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Fantastic write up. I’m a recent follower of the Browns, so this kind of thing helps me out a lot.
We picked 4 picks later so the pickin’s were slim, so I went with tOSU punter Brent Bartholomew for kicks.
I laughed at the pun. Intended or not.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
Yeah I wasn’t much of a fan at this point in the Browns history – I only started following them in 2001 – so this kind of look back is cool.
I always wondered why people hated on the Couch pick so much. It made sense given the numbers. To look at McNabb’s career and say he would have been able to replicate it in Cleveland given what Couch had is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as taking one lineman on either side of the ball in an expansion draft. Enjoy your wine, Carmen Policy. Ass.
McNabb should have been the pick, at least for mobility reasons. He could have avoided some of the instant death type of hits that Couch took that first year.
true…but there were questions heading in since he was an option QB. the same questions tebow faces (but McNabb has a much better arm and was a little better of a passer in college). I do like McNabb but he would have not been that successful with the browns either. yes he could avoid the rush but at the same time, you had chivarini as a starter at receiver that year AND one of the worst O-Lines in history.
What was bad that year was me and my boss talked about are #1 pick I wanted us to get McNabb while my boss who swore up and down McNabb would be out of the NFL in 3 years and Couch would be a HoF player……..
by Brownsfan4ever on Jan 12, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
Couch played well considering what he had but I remember watching him at UK and he was completely system there. I don’t think I even knew what the combine was back then so I can speak much for what he showed there and maybe that was what made him our choice.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
yeah. I agree he was a system guy but at the same time, he did have some skills. you could make an argument that a lot of QBs are a product of their system and/or the players around him. besides the system he did show some skills.
Yeah that’s why I made mention of not being aware of his combine. Also his career was royally screwed by being a Brown.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
yes true…imagine if we had taken the pro bowl LT jon jansen…granted i looked it up and he was only a pro bowler once but he was a solid starter at LT and wouldve helped couch…logic dictates you get a LT anyways before a QB…it was that pick that i think screwed him a lot..
Jansen is, and always has been, a RT. He would have played LT on the ’99 Browns though.
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The only thing I remember about Couch was that the Browns doubted his arm strength.
They worked him out in Cleveland and he made all the throws. They were sold on him then.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I also remember a lot of talk about finding ‘a face for the franchise’ and concerns that the fanbase wouldn’t accept McNabb as the ‘face of the franchise’ because he was black.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
lol…wow, the front office really thought we were racist…the same team that had the first black player? the major city with the first black mayor? the city with the first AL team to have a black player (and only signed a couple weeks after robinson)?? the city of the great inventor garret morgan? the hometown of jesse owens? wow…the owners did not know their history…no wonder they royally fucked up that draft…
Ten years ago there wasn’t much precedent for a black QB being the face of any franchise. And the fans that count are the season ticket holders, and they’re mostly white.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
still, the front office was dumb. they didn’t even look at the history of our own club.
the browns had the first black players after blacks were kicked out of FB…
Read my post above, cleveland was a major city in black history, so many innovators…a couple others i forgot was the first black pitcher in the AL (satchel paige) and the first black ump debuted in cleveland.
The Browns coming back into the league? I can’t remember but were they really having trouble selling tickets?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Not that I know of. That was what I was trying to find out. I didn’t think selling tickets would be a concern when drafting a QB.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Drafting a first round QB equals automatic sell out that year.
Merchandise will rise if he starts too ; ]
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 12, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
yeah…i doubt race would have mattered to people in cleveland. cleveland has always been one of the more open minded (racially) and racially tolerant cities. we were the first AL team to have a black player, a black pitcher, the first black MLB manager in frank robinson…
we also had the first black players in football, the first black mayor of a major city, the first black ump (baseball) called his first game here, the first black ump in football played for the browns and umped his first game here.
we also drafted the first black heisman winner and one of our former players went on to be the first black GM (and bill willis should have been the first black HOFer)
We actually got thr rights to Ernie Davis traded to us. The Redskins drafted him.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 12, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I know…that was what I was saying. in this year, one of the seasons with the least amount of hope, we have had the worst year selling tickets since 1999 (we were close to a blackout twice but no blackout). the browns have had a history of always having a ton of fan support through thick and thin…granted, the fan support didn’t start truly always being there until about 1953 but since then…(the AAFC years we didn’t have a ton of fans)
great write-up.
1. as mentioned above, i truly believe this draft was so horrendous that we’re still feeling its negative impact on some level.
2. i think an argument can be made that if couch and mcnabb had been reversed (couch an eagle, mcnabb a brown), couch may still be playing and mcnabb would not be a hall of famer (arguably). given our recent QB play, i give couch credit for having numbers much better than our current QBs but with much less talent.
yes. I do think on a team that was not horrendous couch would still be playing and would have gone to some pro bowls. in his third season (i think it was) he flashed some brilliance. he finally got decent receivers and the offensive line was still bad but not horrendous. that being said, with a pro bowl LT or at least a good starter to build the line around he would have been beter.
Love this write up.
2 notes:
1) As nice as Jansen could been, I think the KJ pick still worked out. Like you said, he had a successful Browns career.
Yes, we should have drafted an o-lineman, but we can’t say KJ was not a good pick based on his on the field performance..
(also, how did butch davis draft william green from BC instead of taking clinton portis?? davis knew how nasty portis was after seeing him at the U…just silly)
2) Tarlteon State Longsnapper, somewhat comical! I do wish we had Bartel (another Tarleton St grab) on our roster (the QB who had a great pre-season but we then cut, active on the Redskins now)
WRs are more of a luxury than OTs though. Without the offensive line, the offense is hopeless. That said, Darrin Chiaverini would have been our number 1 if we didn’t take KJ and it could have been equally as ugly.
wow, that’s a name from the past!
he’s got a coaching position as co-offensive coordinator at mt sac community college according to wiki, haha….
i actually had higher hopes for madre hill when he came out, thought he was going to be ok for us & a nice find in the 7th rnd
by strongsafety on Jan 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I do think johnson was a good player and you can criticize it now in hindsight, but at the time, it wasn’t a stupid pick. granted, if I drafted a franchise QB i would want to go out and get an elite Tackle to guard his blind side like jansen. I am just saying, if we drafted jansen think of where this team could be. we would have couch at QB better protected and he would b able to read the progressions.
I always liked Kevin Johnson. I will always remember him catching that Hail Mary pass in ’99 against the Saints for our first win. I ran screaming through my dorm at YSU when that happened.
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
HA! I did the same thing.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 12, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
But I was 12 so it wasn’t at a college campus.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 12, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Zero offensive lineman. 1 defensive lineman.
Wow. Didn’t realize that. It’s almost criminal that they didn’t draft 2 OL, let alone just 1. It’s as if they were drafting with the purpose to win a game or two in 1999, as opposed to winning 8 to 10 games by 2001.
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Don’t worry. I am. Just trying to block out some bad memories.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Jan 11, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Great article, although it makes me wonder what would have happened if we had drafted Bowens and Barton. 10 year starters?
Rainer was a good pickup. Yes in hindsight barton might have been better but it is always easy to be smart in hindsight.
And I don’t think bowens was a 10 year starter. He in fact only started 22 games in 11 years…2 per year. as a 3rd year player, he spent most of the yr on the redskins practice squad. he has had only one decent season in his career.
I didn’t start following the Browns till 2006 (didn’t know about the draft or anything else other than football was being played). It’s good to finally find out just how F***** up we were when the team came back, and what we’ve had to recover from.
Curious: how did you become a fan? I thought most Browns fans would be deep-rooted since birth, but to only have been a fan since 2006 is odd since it’s not as if they’ve had a ton of success and there was a bandwagon to jump on.
You are reading my signature.
You learn something new every day. I had no idea the Browns actually acquired any new fans this past decade :P
by Monsters of the Midway on Jan 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think my first year as a fan was when William Green (?) was stabbed by his woman. Then the next year we drafted Kellen Winslow, so I got more interested. I’ve been a hardcore fan since we drafted my boy Charlie Frye (I grew up watching him play his HS ball at Willard High School).
Dammnit, I am so ready to win already.
lol…true. you don’t become a bandwagon fan of the browns. I have been a fan since about the age of 4. I remember when I was younger I used to talk about how art model was an ass and how he sucked. I actually remember the old municipal stadium a bit too…My dad had season tickets and took me to games when I was younger.
I still have to explain why I’m a Browns fan. I was born, raised, and live in Louisville, KY surrounded by Colts, Bengals, Steelers, Titans. But for some reason my dad was a Browns fan and so am I. I was born in 1980 and was probably a fan on that day, which is also why my hate list goes: 1a. Ravens, 1b. Broncos, 2. Steelers
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I never got into football itself until 2005 (I just watched the Buckeyes). Most of my relatives live in Cleveland (my father moved away to the Columbus area) and I was just “Oh hey, I guess Cleveland’s supposed to be my favorite team.”
And ever since then, I’ve been sucking in all things Browns. Been watching the history dvd’s, reading articles, the whole sha-bang. But I guess you can say I havn’t been a fan long enough to the point where every game lost and every bad season is another twist of the ol’ knife. I’m still at that point where I’m getting stabbed and therefore can’t appreciate what it takes to have followed this team for decades. But I still get passionately on fire despite our record for a W or L. (because according to McNabb, you can’t tie in the NFL)
by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 11, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is the draft that convinced most people in Cleveland that they could be armchair GMs.
by danvail on Jan 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Kevin Johnson went on to have a good Browns career. He was cut mid-season in 2003 by Butch Davis amid rumors that William Green had slept with his wife leading to a locker room fight and later a DUI by William Green, and his girlfriend stabbing him. Good times in that locker room.
This was the most entertaining moment in the expansion era.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Jeez the dude sleeps with your wife and YOU get cut?!
Ouch.
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by johnnyphoenix on Jan 11, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Technically, they both got cut that year.
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by golanbatrac on Jan 11, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and I would rather get Johnson cut than Green cut.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
seriously?? Johnson was a better player and was drafted lower. besides that incident green was a bum off the field. he also underperformed on the field.
I think you missed the jokes.
Golan said they both got cut that year
Johnson by the team: Johnson cut
Green by his wife: Green cut
I said I would rather get cut by the team than cut by a knife.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
oh….I didn’t get the joke…i feel slow…b/c i was also about to correct him that green didn’t get cut from the team till ’05…damn i feel slow…
but hopefully u agree with the comment i made…i have nothing more to say if you think that william green is anything but a bum…
Btw, fun fact…I looked up kevin johnson and I got a news article about how the Basketball player Kevin Johnson was elected mayor of sacramento.
What about the whole Jeff Garcia with his wife and mistress thing? That was pretty funny.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Jan 12, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Couch
The number one pick is the only reason I became a fan! I hate the Ravens and thier owner! I needed a team and am a huge fan of UK! Couch is gone and I’m still a huge fan of the Dawg Pound! If Cribbs leaves I’ll have to find a new favorte player. BTW this was a great read. Thanks
Yes, Stokley surprised me also. There were a couple of names that really jumped out at me.
I keep thinking David Bowens is ancient. Daunte Cullpepper went 11th overall in this draft.
I don’t know if it is because he has played for so many teams lately, but when I hear his name I think he is about 40 years old also.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Cullpepper was the QB we needed to draft. He was big and made things happen. Played well against the big schools too. Coming from UCF, I knew that wasn’t going to happen
he also did play in a west coast system with truly elite receivers. he hasn’t been good out of it but you can also attribute that to injuries. He was throwing for a lot of his early career to 2 HOF receivers while couch was throwing to none…IMO, couch was the best QB in the draft, just had by far the worst supporting cast.
IMO, couch was the best QB in the draft, just had by far the worst supporting cast.
I think most of us are in agreement that given the proper support he could have developed into a solid, if unspectacular, NFL QB.
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by johnnyphoenix on Jan 11, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Five QB’s went in the top 15: Couch, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper, and Cade McNown. People were comparing that QB class to the class of ‘83 (Elway, Marino, and Kelly). That didn’t turn out so good. Three busts out of those five (if you want to call Couch a bust).
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
“__________ walked onto the Browns and was the starting ________ right away.”
This seems to be a constant throughout. Sadly, even by 2009, it still is….
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
When I read these things, I sometimes think to myself: “Hey, maybe it’s better that I don’t remember any of this happening”. Haha.
Ah, but you won’t get to remember all these awful years in agonizing detail when we win the Super Bowl, at which point the contrast will feel awesome.
Of course, we’ve had plenty of awful years more recently, so you’re probably right and enough is enough….
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 12, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
It also makes it hard to recognize when a “Browns Moment” is about to occur.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
by Villeslgr on Jan 12, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t realize that Mike Leach was Kentucky’s offensive coordinator when Couch played there. Good information.
At least, to a point, Couch proved why you do not take QBs from Leach.
If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Couch proved much of anything except that if your line lets you get sacked every other play you won’t have good numbers :-)
But what about BIG BEN!?
HE’S A WINNER!
If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 12, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm… good point. Evidently you can put up some decent numbers if you have an ounce of talent surrounding you… And if you have a stellar D…
Plus, he’s just a douche.
you’re right, i forgot. he’s surely the greatest football player ever to take the field. he’s a winner. he wins. big ben pisses excellence. but only because he’s a winner. couch can’t blame anything on the fact that he was surrounded by poor teammates – he just wasn’t a winner. big ben is. he wins. winner.
Great sarcasm (im guessing)…look at big bens team…he is such a winner with winning with that cast full of pro bowlers…
i mean couch must b a loser b/c he had one of the worst supporting casts in history.
Yeah, put Big Ben on the Browns NOW and he wouldn’t do jack squat.
On second thought, the Steelers can keep him. I rather enjoy watching our defense light him up like a peace pipe.
yes, sarcasm. roethlisberger is the most overrated, classless, hair-brained toolbag i’ve ever seen in the NFL.
by Dawg Nuts on Jan 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was about to type the exact same thing until I saw you typed this…totally agree…
rec…
the 1999 team is one of the worst teams in recent memory. the lions actually had more talent IMO.
the 1999 team is one of the worst teams in recent memory. the lions Miami Hurricanes actually had more talent IMO.
Fixed.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 12, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Which explains why we hired Butch Davis.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
yet he drafted william green over clinton portis …. dont understand his reasoning on that one…
by strongsafety on Jan 13, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
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