I might agree with alot of the stuff you say, if you do. Just a heads up.

You risk becoming my mortal enemy.

He couldn’t ask for a better champion. That said, I remain dubious about Daboll deserving a another chance.

yeah, couldn’t agree more. get it done and get to work!

That’s surprising. LaCanfora is usually on top of things.

I’m happy to see Mangini and Ryan back.

We beat the Steelers, finally. We won 4 in a row for he first time since we came back. Ryan finally brought an agressive defensive style to Cleveland. The Braylon Trade looks better and better everytime the moron opens his mouth or drops another pass.

Mangini did a lot of positive things, and most of the negative things turned out to be not true or blown out of proportion (The Bus Ride, The Water Bottle Fine, James Davis’ Injury) All these were not as they were made out to be by the media.

However, I will not mind Daboll getting the boot, I wouldn’t mind him staying either. I think Mangini deserved another year, and am very glad that Homgren gave it to him. Also, I’m ecstatic that we’ll again see Rob Ryan as our DC next year.

….the mural situation, need I go on?

There’s an argument to be made against Mangini, but bringing up the mural and the bus ride really undermines your case as far as I’m concerned.

Harrison did excellent…but it was the Offensive Line and FB who played ‘out of their minds.’ Anyways, in plain black and white terms Magini did improve the team record, regardless of which teams he beat at the end. That schedule was brutal early on. Brutal. If you devalue the wins due to the quality of the opponent then you have to devalue the losses to the good/great teams as well. You can’t hafve it both ways.
Plus and we had a new coach, new schemes, two piss poor QBs, injuries etc. He had to cut out the cancers on this team, even though it meant a degrading of talent. Anyways, my main issue with Mangini was the draft and the OC. OC still might be a problem but we have that draft issue handled…Holmgren will see to that.

Mangini perhaps is not a good ‘czar’ as he showed early on, but he’s not going to be now, and doesn’t have to be. It’s kinda like the Quinn situation. He gets one more year to evaluate now that the schemes and packages are well in place …and then we know for sure whether or not he’s the man for the job. Besides, changing staffs right now…what are our (realistic) options this year? Who? Zorn? Mohrniweg? Mariucci? No thanks.

Welcome new poster, Bud Shaw!

2 of the teams missed the playoffs because the Browns beat them. Kansas City knocked the crap out of Denver in week 17 and played pretty well the last few games of the season. Oakland was a lot better without Russell.

None of the wins were cupcakes, especially in a league where a 4 game streak doesn’t happen for a bad team.

I’d just like to say that only one of those negatives (potentially) effected wins and losses. You could make a case for the K2 trade being a bad trade, but the BE trade was pretty darn good considering he wasn’t doing jack to help us win. Overall, I think the trades set us up really well for the future.

I mean, yeah, there’s the buss ride and the mural and water bottle and whatever else you’d like to throw in there. But I think you’d be hard pressed to prove where Mangini has set us up for more failure.

Especially considering that the bright side of this season only amounted to 4 wins against teams that will be watching the post season from home.

And one of them will be pittsburgh. And if we didn’t beat them, they’d still be playing. Tell me that doesn’t feel good.

I’ve said it elsewhere, but as long as we have been at the bottom of the division, we’ve played at least a few other teams at the bottom of the division, due to the NFL’s scheduling policies. We haven’t always beaten those other bad teams.

trading off all our stars

False. Joe Thomas, D’Qwell Jackson, Shaun Rogers. Steinbach would be a star if he played a more glamorous position. He also traded players for draft picks, including some we have yet to make. If you are going to criticize him for trading players away, you have to like some of the guys he did find on the cheap; Roth, Bowens, Moore, etc. Step 1 was to get all of the bad apples off the team. Step 2 was to fill in the holes with short-term guys who were not bad apples. Step 3 will have to be find stars who are not bad apples.

Also, Mangini wasn’t retained to continue to play GM. We will hire a GM. Mangini was retained to motivate the players, and set a standard for hard work, physicality, and general execution. He’s done that. He seems to have even the most upset player on the team in Josh Cribbs fully behind him.

Two of said teams we helped in keeping out of the playoffs, and most of the aforementioned situations either were blown out of proportion or didn’t happen at all they way they were portrayed.

Rotoworld says we were going to be allowed to have Fox free of charge. So, I don’t trust that.

I’m guessing no one wants to pay three head coaches at the same time.

C’mon man. I agree that the potential alternatives will be better next year, but your anti-Mangini bias is clear here.

Sure, I think it would have at least been the responsible thing to do to consider who else might be available.

My prediction about the Mangini decision was wrong too, but I’m with you on this one – this is shaping up to be a very exciting offseason.

Best of all, there is a big crop of QBs Holmgren can choose from. They all can’t be cherries but if anyone can pick a cherry QB it’s Holmgren.

You are so gracious, but Lewis over Heckert? I thought Lewis was just a consideration to get by the Rooney Rule. Heckert seems to be the man. (I also assume that Heckert interviewed Mangini when he was in town and rubberstamped Holmgren’s decision).

That being said the entity that is mooncamping, recedes managerial duties.

No one says it like you do, moon. Best of luck in your future football endeavors.

Apparently Mangini was the originator of 1.4 million.

If you actually read the Press Conference, you notice he says he will not be installing his OWN OFFENSES and DEFENSES. Nice try though.

Heckert’s actual experience is something I was wondering about given the situation in Philly. Still, I suppose one could argue that every GM was at one time someone who had never had the title or responsibilities. I think it comes down to how much he has learned from those around him.