The Browns will reportedly introduce Tom Heckert as their new GM at a press conference on Monday.
They may also hire Seahawks director of pro personnel Will Lewis in a lower-level capacity. Lewis interviewed for the GM job on Friday, but Heckert got it. Heckert has been the GM in Philadelphia since 2006, but always lacked "final say" with regard to the Eagles' roster. It remains to be seen if he'll have those responsibilities under Mike Holmgren in Cleveland.
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So basically, what should have happened last year is finally happening this year?
by gahnki on Jan 8, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I hate rotoworld. They’re so pessimistic and biased.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Example:
“Jerome Harrison ran for 286 yards against the Chiefs in addition to three touchdowns.”
He was a big part of Cleveland’s offense, but is that saying much? Haha, no it’s not! Especially when Brady Quinn is your quarterback! This was just a fluke and next week this guy won’t even get a fifth of that. He’s not considered a good fantasy option due to Cleveland’s overall unreliability and ineptitude.
^Typical Roto post about the Browns lol.
by emily522 on Jan 8, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Credible enough that I almost bought it, sadly. Nicely done!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 8, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
either way, the coach does not have the final say. I do not like that kind of thing and the coach should have input but i don’t agree with the powerful coach theory
Holmgren said in his first interview that he believes that the HC should have strong input on who gets drafted.
by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 9, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
yes. i like that b/c he does coach the team. I just don’t like it when the coach is the one making all the trades and personnel moves. it didn’t work for butch davis. you can say kokinis did stuff with the browns but anyone who can put one and one together will realize mangini was basically coach AND GM last yr. kokinis somehow never seemed to make a trade with the team he knew the best, the ravens? instead he seemed to always make deals with mangini’s former team the jets…who really was in charge…i think we would have shopped around edwards more and that pick too if kokinis had some say…
I agree the head coach should have input though…
Right, but whether Holmgren has the final say in the war room or just has the final say in terms of being able to fire Heckert remains to be seen.
It sounds like all three guys along with position coaches and the OC/DC will provide input and try to come to a consensus. Either Heckert or Holmgren will then have the final say.
Holmgren can fire all of them. Lerner can fire Holmgren.
I think that Heckert will have final say.
I think it was the only way we could have hired him from Philly.
I could be wrong about that. But I do agree in the fact that this is Holmgren, and I love the fact that this entire organization is headed in the same direction. How long has it been since that has happened?
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 9, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you are at all wrong that he will have final say and that is why he was hired.
1. He doesn’t have final say in Philly and its mostly just Andy Reid’s team
2. The eagles are good
3. the browns suck
4. No one in their right mind would do what heckert did unless he got final say.
5. If he didn’t get final say, i worry about him mentally honestly…why leave a winning organization for a one in shambles for the same position…you get a BETTER one…that is why u leave.
Man this is like a dream… if I pinch myself I’ll wake up and our President will be Dwight Clark, our GM will be Tony Kronheiser, and our head coach will be Terry Robiskie. We have a dream team developing here. Hopefully the egos will not get in the way and everyone will be on the same page.
Brownsyup
He is like a human victory cigar!
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 9, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Interesting thought, with Heckert on board, what are the chances we end up with an Eagles QB next season? (I am not talking about Vick. At all.)
Kevin Kolb or Donovan will probably be out of there after this season.
Anyone else think that we are going to be in the derby?
Kolb was brought in for QB of the future.
We’ll get McNabb, I’m sure of it.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 9, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be ecstatic if we got McNabb. Who better for Quinn to learn from?
by BrownDawg1409 on Jan 9, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I would be very interested in Kolb but I don’t think the Eagles would trade him, as you said.
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 9, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
But was it Reid who wanted Kolb or was it Heckert?
I am assuming that Reid had some level of interest in him or they wouldn’t have taken him. But if Heckert was the one who really pushed for him on draft day maybe Reid isn’t that in love with him.
Plus, Donovan didn’t look like he needed replaced anytime soon this season. 92.9 QB rating.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 9, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Heckert has never pushed for any player of importance. He never had any say. The Eagles have actually shopped him the last few years.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 9, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing Heckert had nothing to do with picking up Vick either. How in love are they with him anyway? He went 6 – 13, 86 yds, 1 TD, and 95 yds on 24 rushes, for 2 TDs, on the season.
Keep him as an emergency and change of pace QB, develop him into a possible back-up role, or give up on him completely?
you are sure of it…
This is a checklist of things that are important to a player like McNabb.
I want to be on a great team…No
I want a coach with a track record of success…No
I want a team that is close to being championship caliber…Are you Fucking Kidding Me???
I want a team with good receivers that can catch what I throw at them…Read Above Statement…
I want a very solid O-Line…possibly (we have steinbach and thomas but the right side is in shambles).
I want to be in an offense that emphasizes my skills…No again.
I want to go to a team that I will feel comfortable in with the rules and regulations…Definitely Not…(very few ppl feel comfortable with mangini’s rules, especially a superstar)
I want the chance to be successful because I still haven’t won a championship…definitely not.
Conclusion…there is no way he will come here. Just the fact that we are rebuilding would drive him away. He would want to go somewhere where he can win a championship. why would he go to a rebuilding team…most veteran QBs want to go to good teams…the only one I can think of that went to a bad team was culpepper but he was coming off injuries and the Dolphins (when they won only 1 game) were one of the few teams that would give him a shot.
I want pro-bowl Vick, but I think hepassed awayturned into a woman in prison.
by SpecialBrownie on Jan 9, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
The Eagles SBN site was talking about this. Apparently, they are almost positive that there will be a parting with one of their quarterbacks after this season. The feeling is that McNabb could be jettisoned and the Kolb era would begin.
McNabb would be an excellent stop-gap quarterback.
He doesn’t have a ring. I doubt he goes to any team that isn’t playoff ready.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
heckert probably came here as much about money as about power.
I doubt McNabb will come here (I don’t know why i said heckert when we were talking about McNab) even for money. younger players who were later draft picks and developed oftentimes go where the money is (even guys in their prime do it). Guys who have never won a championship and are HOF caliber usually go to a championship caliber team (Randy Moss, Fred Taylor, Favre to Minnesota to get a second one…)
Any truth to the fact that you can’t announce the hiring of another team’s personnel if that team is still in the playoffs? Would that mean if the Eagles beat the Cowboys tonight that this supposed presser announcement will be postponed?
Where is the Randy Lerner should sell the team crowd? This guy cares which is what I have been saying all along. He may not have been perfect at hiring, but he is working his ass off and spending the money to get it right.
Hanging out with the “we should have drafted Mark Sanchez!” crowd.
by Bernie19Kosar on Jan 9, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
They’re still around. Watch Drennan on STO or read comments on cleveland.com some time if you have the stomach for it.
"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay
Dorn. yes he cares but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I know it is clice but just because someone is trying to do right doesn’t mean they are great. most people in life have good intentions, but don’t always succed at what they want. they should have a phrase coupling that one “the road to heaven is paved with good results”. Good intentions get you nowhere…results get you somewhere…I wil acknowledge him as a good owner if this new regime works out…if not, i will be on the “selling the team” crowd and urging him to sell the team.
I’ll step up. I’ve never questioned the sincerity of his care. It’s obvious he cares. He’s just a terrible manager. It’s also premature to call this a great success, a week into Holmgren’s tenure. And even if it is, it’s a success simply because he poured an ungodly amount of money into it (being a billionaire has it’s ways of covering up incompetency in America). From Grossi today:
“I do know this,” said the source, “if you’re hiring a GM and bringing back your coach, and Mike is doing neither [of those jobs], then Randy Lerner just spent $8 million a year on a consultant. You could have had a headhunter do that for you.”
He’s referencing the executive search industry I talked about a while ago, which I worked for and that placed Savage. In any event, I’m glad that Lerner takes a hands off approach. I’m also glad that he’s not afraid of pouring out his own money to correct multiple previous mistakes. However, let’s give it a little more than a week before we assign victors to that debate. Heckert seems no more qualified or skilled than either Savage or Kokinis did, and we all know how that turned out. There’s also the issue of “The Big Show” changing to a completely different role (8 million dollar consultant?), and working efficiently with two other powerful individuals.
It’s a unique situation (other than Parcells), and I’m hopeful. But it’s not as if it’s a guaranteed success, and it’s certainly a curious way to set up an organization. Go Browns!
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Reasonably cautious there, kwoog. It’s definitely early yet, no matter what we think now.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Jan 10, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
The only point I will contend is that Holmgren should be viewed as a consultant. The guy is going to be making personnel decisions, and no consultant would be able to do as good a job. Holmgren knows QBs better than almost anyone. It’s a tough argument to say otherwise.
Right, but there is something to having “too many cooks in the kitchen”, to expand on Parcells’ own analogy. I think it can work, and I’d even say odds are it can, but it’s not a given and certainly not the norm.
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Cleveland Browns interview Will Lewis for GM job
Can we SAAAAY meaningless Rooney Rule interview? Jeez, guys, you gotta at least interview this guy before all the reports of the press conference naming Heckert come out…
"Hey Will! C’mon in…this is Randy Lerner, our boss, Mike Holmgren, Coach Mangini…anyways over here we have…..Clayton….Sidney….Jugdish….Mohammet, ….Lonny—
Will— “We already met.”
“Oh SUPER! Then you’ll have lots to talk about….feel free to help yourself to…punch and cookies…”
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
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