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GOT NUMBERS? Previewing the Cleveland Browns @ the Pittsburgh Steelers


Finally, it is the weekend.  Football is here and we can stop clicking through thousands of comments about semantics and non-football bickering by Steelers fans (and a couple of our... special posters that are susceptible to these conversations).  It is time to put that all aside and talk football. 

In writing these previews, I usually go through what we can expect to happen on each side of the ball by using this year's stats from Football Outsiders.  There is one big problem for that approach this week.  Each quarterback in this game will be making their first starts of the year: Ben Roethlisberger because he is a creep, Colt McCoy because high ankle sprains are what the cool kids are doing. 

This is a problem for the numbers, not only for the QBs, but for the entire passing games of each team.  Dennis Dixon and Charlie Batch are very different QBs in terms of talent and skill sets compared to Roethlisberger.  McCoy doesn't have the years of experience of Jake Delhomme nor Seneca Wallace- no this is his first year in the league.  And his first game will be against Dick Lebeau's defense. 

Realizing there will be a huge gap- I'm totally disregarding passing and receiving numbers- let's go forward with the usual stuff...

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When the Steelers have the ball

It has been years since the Steelers have been a run-first team.  Smartly, they have relied on really good receivers, a QB that is hard to bring down and makes plays and running after they have established the pass.  The Browns were able to disrupt this formula in Cleveland last year by getting to the quarterback, AND bringing him down- probably the more difficult of the two when playing Big Ben. The Browns have been much improved in all areas defensively.  DAVE ranks them 19th, just 2% below average.

We've been told (and told and told) that the Steelers O-Line has improved.  Well, last year they were 29th in adjusted sack rate- giving up a sack or intentional grounding on 8.5% of all drop backs.  This year? they are 26th in adjusted sack rate- giving up a sack or intentional grounding on 9.3% of all drop backs.  Now, the sample is small because they haven't thrown the ball all that much.  However, Roethlisberger is a lot of things (e.g., a tool, a creep), but I don't think anyone would argue that he will improve his team's sack rate.  The Browns are 8th in sack rate.  Simply, the Browns must get pressure on Roethlisberger. Because the corners have been the weakness for the Browns.  They are 31st in defending passes against #1's and 20th against #2 WRs.  And the Steelers have a solid 1-2 combo in Mike Wallace and Hines Ward.

On the ground, look out for Rashard Mendenhall.  He ranks 11th in DVOA (11.5% better than league average on a per play basis) and 8th in DYAR.  Though the Browns are equally good against the run (12% DVOA). 

When the Browns have the ball

Even if all the Browns were healthy, the offense would have a challenge.  The Steelers are one of the best defenses in the league.  They are 25% better than an average defense, ranking them 2nd in DVOA.  We will be starting our #3 QB, who happens to be a rookie who as never played a regular season game in the NFL and looked like a bad combination of bland and uncomfortable in the preseason.  But Colt McCoy says all the right things and has a heck of a college career, filled with huge games to fall back on.  Not that he did all that well against great defense at Texas.  And not that Texas' spread offense is totally translatable to the NFL.  But, its something.  The good news on the injury front is that Peyton Hillis sounds like he'll be closer to 100% healed from his thigh injury.

The Steelers are 4th in DVOA against the pass, -17.2%.  However, looking a little deeper, they are actually significantly below average in defending passes to "other" WRs (read #3, #4 guys), TEs, and RBs.  Maybe McCoy can his Chansi Stuckey on some of his signature short crossing routes or Ben Watson and Evan Moore working the seems (less confident in his ability to do this).  But perhaps the highest hope we have in the pass game is Peyton Hillis.  The Steelers are 28th in defending passes to RBs, and Hillis is 5th in DYAR amongst RBs coming out of the backfield and 20% better than the average RB on a per play basis. The other obvious strength in our passing game (save last week) is pass protection- and matches strength with strenght.  We only give up sacks on 4.9% of drop backs- good for 7th in the league.  The Steelers' sack rate on defense is 7.7%, good for 6th.

But let's be real, the Browns aren't going to rely on McCoy's arm.  They are going to rely on Peyton Hillis and the run game.  Hillis ranks 20th in DYAR (i.e., he is the 20th most valuable runner) and slightly above average per play.  He moves the pile forward, never gives up on a play, hits (and injuries) defenders before they hit him, and has a nose for the 1st down line and the goal line.  That's why he is 6th in success rate at 58%.  But he hasn't had to face a defensive front this good.  Because one doesn't exist.  The Steelers are first in DYAR against the run, 37% better than average.  Ugh.

Special Teams

Josh Cribbs has dominated the Steelers on special teams in the past.  The Steelers were awful in coverage and Cribbs exposed them. Last year, we were a clear #1 in special teams DVOA, the Steelers were 28th.  But not this year.  The special teams seem to get slightly better every week, but still not up to standard.  And the Steelers have gotten much better.

Pittsburgh ranks 8th, led by their really good kick return unit and solid coverage units.  But Jeff Reed has had some problems, missing 4 FGs.  The Browns rank 18th overall in special teams, dragged down by below average return units.  Cleveland's strongest phase of special teams has been kick coverage.

Thoughts and Conclusions

McCoy is a huge wild card.  I expect some throws to Hillis and Watson on first down, with some short throws to Stuckey and Cribbs to get him comfortable.  But Pittsburgh defense is too good to expect much success on the ground or air.  If we can pull the upset for the second straight time in this rivalry, it will be because of our defense getting to Roethlisberger and neutralizing Mendenhall.  If Cribbs can breakout of his return slump, that would help too.  I'd like our chances a lot more if the wind chill was negative 10 and we were in Cleveland. But what the heck, I don't think I've ever picked the Browns to lose against Pittsburgh, why start now?

Browns 16

Steelers 16

(I also picked a tie last year for the game in Cleveland).

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You the man DD.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

We’re going to get some players back this week, aren’t we (Lauvao, and heathier Hillis, etc.)? Maybe this week will be the week for Rogers to move out to DE, and introducing Jayme Mitchell (will he be an OLB?). Lot’s of interesting variables in this game, I think. Bell’s pass protection abilities might come into play right away, too.

by NM Dawg on Oct 16, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hillis tweeted that he is fully healthy.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 16, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland 21

Pittsburgh 17

Sheldon Brown pick 6, Cribbs punt return TD and Hillis 15 yard TD run. McCoy is going to look better than people think. This game rests on your O-Line, but they are a strong group that should be able to limit Pitt’s pass rush.

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I just had to rub my eyes in disbelief and do a double take. That’s the first good thing I’ve ever seen you write about our team. Are you feeling okay?

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 16, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Feeling great. The Bengals are too much fun to laugh at right now, so figured I give you guys a break. : )

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we beat them too.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that. It was impressive.

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, na just in good spirits today.

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 16, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You beat me to an Akbar picture.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 16, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. yeah. I like the fact that this one isn’t actually him saying ‘its a trap’

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure you would have had a better picture of a pool cover.

It’s not a lie if you believe it.

by Brownie's Year on Oct 16, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have less than 70 comments here, yet so many people I don’t even know on this blog think I’m a huge prick. Why is that?

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are a celebrity of sorts over here.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 16, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thoroughly enjoy being internet famous.

"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 16, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes few words to create a reputation.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 16, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

After this week, my perceptions of “pricks” has changed.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 16, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 16, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The numbers look pretty bad for the Browns, so I’ll have to take shelter under the reality of NFL parity.

Things I would like to see (besides a win):

  1. Cribbs returns for a TD
  2. Roethlisberger eating dirt all game
  3. Excellent O-Line play
  4. McCoy makes good decisions, shows good accuracy
  5. Browns rush for over 150 yards

by 9James on Oct 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yes to all of the above
plus…
6. haden get his fist interception and turn it into a pick six
7. ward sends ward to the trauma ward
but most importantly…
8. dawson break our record with a game wining field goal!

by crazyL80 on Oct 16, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll need all of those. No reason not to have all though.

Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!

by LondonBrown on Oct 17, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, Rufio.

(Subject line is acceptable here imo.)

You asked about Da’Quan Bowers a few days ago. He recorded 3 sacks today against Maryland and now has 9 on the season.

by emily522 on Oct 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

My mind says 20-6, Pittsburgh.

My heart says 23-20, Pittsburgh. (In my heart, McCoy shows that he can play, and avoids the trap of false stardom that a Pittsburgh victory brings).

My other heart says 30-6, Pittsburgh and Roethlisberger is taken down with a concussion by Roth in response to Ben showboating a TD pass earlier in the game.

Don’t get me wrong – I would love to see a victory over a concussion to Big Ben – but I will be sickened by watching that kid play in front of adoring fans after what he has done.

Go Browns.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Like I said last year: “Don´t slap the bully!”. Well, we did slap the bully, and cost them play-off participation. While great for the rivalry, you have to hope that the wussy went home to train. I think the wussy did go home to train.
I have just one demand: Don´t glue Colt McCoy in the pocket, he´ll do better if he can move around, evade the sacks improvise, allow the receivers to improvise or adapt their routes when the classic pocket scenario breaks down. And I would also hope that Colt McCoy adapts a, shall I say: “Put the ball somewhere, that is challenge your receivers, to get to the point of intuitive rapport.”.

by mooncamping on Oct 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

In other words, put throwing the ball above play-calling, so we have a chance to feel him out and break him in properly.

by mooncamping on Oct 17, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

You really have a degree of positive expectations about Colt, don’t you.

I’m eager to see if the kid has skills – and this is as good a time as any to see it.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moony’s been calling for trail by fire since we drafted McCoy.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. And, for a rookie his stats look fine.

by mooncamping on Oct 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He looked good for a rookie against a top3 defense.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"However, Roethlisberger is a lot of things (e.g., a tool, a creep)"

Gotta love these little insults… just so you know they completely destroy your credibility in a football discussion. I’m done reading after the second irrelevant jab. Hopefully you’ll all get what you deserve today…

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 17, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

It is amazingly relevant. His creepiness led him to miss 4 games. This is his first game back, for no other reason, than his creepiness. And was there an extra jab? Sure. I don’t know how that affects my credibility. If he looks at a girl wrong, his season is over. He put himself in that situation and whether we like it or not, that is the way the NFL works these days.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two other things I want to point out:

1.) This is a Cleveland Browns blog by and for Cleveland Browns fans. It is written from our point of view. I don’t expect you to appreciate that.
2.) Editorializing and humor are marks of entertaining writing. I’m not saying it is always successful, but the attempt doesn’t “destroy” my credibility in talking football.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all fine

I don’t expect much from around here. Just wanted you to know your article was half decent… and then I stopped reading it because you trashed your credibility. The title of the article led me to believe it would be about stats, not bullshit allegations that have no bearing on the game. I see an eye for analysis, but you just can’t help trying to be a comedian.

Basically I complained because I was annoyed that I wasted my time starting to read this and found out it was worthless.

"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 18, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re talking about two or three words in parenthesis, easily ignored. The entire rest of the article was, indeed, about stats.

And again, Roethisberger’s behavior/attitude/character had a huge impact in the football analysis. He missed 4 games for what happened in Vegas and Georgia over the last couple years and that is the only reason. It was the only reason that there were no numbers as to how we was doing this season. Also, the numbers for the wide receivers and offensive line were impacted by not having him in there. It changed the way I looked at the numbers. It would have been an oversight not to mention it.

It was also the biggest story line going into the game on a national perspective. How would he react in his first meaningful football in 10 months? Has he put the distractions behind him? These are legit parts to previewing the game.

I apologize that you weren’t able to get anything out of the article. Maybe you can find me a halfway comprehensible and entertaining statistical preview about a mid-season game with a double-digit spread that is thorough and yet has no asides, editorial observations, or comedy. I’d argue that is darn near impossible. If you can achieve that, you are a better man than I.

fka "DaytonDogg". Now a contributor to SBN's Dawgs By Nature. www.dawgsbynature.com

by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 18, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heaven forbid you crack a joke in an article. Apparently, that’s a no -no in the Steeler world…

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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