Instant Recap: Browns' Defense Picked Apart by Roethlisberger in Loss
In his first game of the season, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger got off to a shaky start when he threw an interception to the Browns' Joe Haden. Haden returned the ball 62 yards to set up a Phil Dawson field goal, giving the Browns a 3-0 advantage.
Unfortunately, for the remainder of the game, Roethlisberger and the Steelers' offense had their way with the Browns' defense. Cleveland consistently blitzed, and Roethlisberger would simply drop back and throw the ball up to an open receiver. And, when the blitz did work, you have a player like Eric Wright going for the football on third-and-goal rather than the tackle to force a field goal.
Despite the shortcomings of our defense, Cleveland was still "somewhat" in the game during the second half. That's where a few "helmet to helmet" plays at the hands of James Harrison come into play...
I don't want to initiate another 1,000+ comment discussion on whether Harrison's blows to Joshua Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi were legal, but both plays hurt our offensive gameplan early on. Cribbs had been used several times in the first quarter by Brian Daboll, but was taken out on a hit that might have been borderline.
The one that Harrison put on Massaquoi was the very definition of the defenseless receiver rule though, and yet a 15-yard penalty wasn't even called on the play. How much do you want to bet that after T.J. Ward was bashed by many members of the media that the hit by Harrison won't even be mentioned? It's a clear double standard.
Not having Cribbs in the ball game hurt the Browns later on. Chansi Stuckey looked uncomfortable on punt returns, and sure enough, he fumbled in the fourth quarter on a play that officially "sealed" the game for Pittsburgh.
The other big story for the game was how rookie Colt McCoy would do in his debut. Overall, he wasn't as bad as outsiders projected him to be. He had two interceptions and might have taken off a little too early here and there, but he took some hits and delivered some accurate balls when asked to.
Offensively, the Browns played a great job playing the field position game -- they pinned Pittsburgh back inside the four-yard line twice. What happened on the first play both times? A 25-yard run by Rashard Mendenhall, and a 50-yard pass to Mike Wallace. Our offense played the part, but the defense took a big step back today in a game that meant so much.
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I don’t even care that we lost. McCoy played his ass off. The season is over and we might as well play Colt the rest of the way. With our shedule he’ll get enough experience.
WAY TO GO McCOY!!
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I hereby move that we don’t use “this” anymore unless the original comment was astoundingly brilliant.
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That.
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by troy145 on Oct 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
… and the other.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 19, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That.
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Hallf of this, I don’t think the season is over.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
11-5 is still a great year.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
The other big story for the game was how rookie Colt McCoy would do in his debut. Overall, he wasn’t as bad as outsiders projected him to be. He had two interceptions and might have taken off a little too early here and there, but he took some hits and delivered some accurate balls when asked to.
This really undersells just how well he played. He really delivered a great game all things considered, much better than any of us would have any right to have expected. I’m not sure its fair to say we were “picked apart” either. That just has the connotation of us getting totally worked, and I think if you just go back and look at the box score and see that they couldn’t get into the endzone more than twice until we fumbled a punt at the 10 and threw a pick in junk time, than you’ll see our defense was stout.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
McCoy played his ass off.
I have a feeling you guys may have found your quarterback.
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On the bus.. Long ride home…
About 3 minutes ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
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I’m almost done with that dude.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost? I’m past done. Get his ass off the field – maybe let him play the nickel.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Ok, change that to “done”.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s funny, I called for him to get benched 2 weeks ago and got tore a new one for it.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
because two weeks ago it wasn’t apparent that it was a trend.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His dads gonna be pissed if he didn’t call and check in with him before tweeting.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
He’s going to have to work overtime on message boards
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 17, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I complained when Big Ben got his suspension reduced to 4 games from 6, because that meant we would see him at this game. After watching today’s game, it probably wouldn’t have mattered who their QB was, I don’t see us coming away with a win.
When can we get rid of Eric Wright?
The saga continues.
That’s garbage. I’m frustrated like everyone else with Wright, but among the DBs, he’s not playing significantly worse that the rest of them.
How about Brown looking completely desperate and resorting to the pass interference? How about fan-favorite TJ Ward and Elam looking completely lost as Roethlisberger launches one 50 yards out of his own endzone?
Doesn’t help either when there actually is good coverage there is absolutely no pass rush and someone ultimately ends up open.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s playing bad and he’s in the final year of his contract. We’ve got til Tuesday to get something out of him.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
right. this is like a baseball trade. we know he’s not re-signing, we aren’t going to the playoffs this year, so if we can get anything we should.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He can play backup behind Haden. I’m tired of his half ass playing.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d give him credit if he actually tried, but he just looks so clueless out there. If Cribbs is injured for a while, let’s put Haden at kick/punt return? He looked good at that interception.
The saga continues.
He was out there for kick returns. I’d like to see someone other than Stuckey out there returning punts. He looked scared.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
where’s Gerard Lawson? we could even use him at corner.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not be opposed to bringing Lawson back. Especially if it means we don’t sign Steptoe to a contract.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Little do you know, Steptoe is still on the team.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Ghost will never leave.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree on the first point. Without Ben, this game would have been much different. Two TDs by the Steelers were clearly all Ben’s production.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
I think the score would have been closer, but I don’t know how we would have gotten things done when we have Wright being clueless and their defense being solid.
The saga continues.
Coming in to this game, I gave the Browns no chance of winning, and much of that was because of Ben. Without Ben, I would have given the Browns a chance to win. You’re telling me that Charlie Batch would have picked apart the Browns? Not even close.
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one of the TDs was a nice throw by ben, but it was also a bad play by eric wright. if you put dixon or batch in and they even make a worse throw, its still a TD because wright forgot what a football looks like.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I have to agree on this to a degree. I remember at least two plays where Ben held on to the ball forever like he usually does, but got rid of the ball for big plays right before a sack. The bomb out of the end zone he stepped up perfectly and avoided getting sacked to complete the pass. I don’t think any other Steeler QB makes those plays.
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I’m really excited about Colt McCoy. Today was his first time he got a regular season NFL snap and it was against the Steelers defense… Here’s a comparison in stats between today’s game and Seneca Wallace’s best game statistically:
Seneca Wallace (@ KC)- 16-31, 229 Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Colt McCoy (@ Pit)- 23-33, 281 Yds, 1 TD, 2 INT
Jake Delhomme gets an honorable mention for warming the bench well, but that’s about it.
Ummm… Does anyone else have a question as to who should start under center next week?
Since NFL rules state that a player signed off of another teams practice squad must be active for 3 weeks – I’m sure we’re looking at Colt with Ratliff as the backup for at least the next game. Throw in the bye and we will probably let McCoy start the week after the bye, with DelHomme as his back up and Ratliff as the #3. After that, we’ll see.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Much better than expected. He really had poise out there and threw some good balls for a high completion percentage. I felt he possibly could have avoided one sack by stepping up in the pocket instead of stepping back and sometimes tucked it too soon. Still, good effort from the rook.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way… what the hell happened to Jason Trusnik? I don’t hear about him anymore.
The saga continues.
Ward happened. He’s making all of the plays on special teams that Trusnik used to make.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
1. McCoy should be the starting QB for the rest of the season.
2. I think our offence might be a first round WR away from being above average.
3. Our D had big problems in 3rd and long situation. I think that is the big reason we lost the game. At least we are getting good teams in 3rd and long.
Our offense was actually pretty average against the best D in the league AND without our #1/#2 WRs, I think. I’m pretty sure with those pieces AND a 1st round WR, we could have a DAMN GOOD offense.
You'd have a decent offense.
But not right away. You’d still have a very green QB in McCoy….a rookie WR (regardless of what spot you picked him up in, he’d struggle his first year, every WR does, unless they have a very good QB)….and you would need Cribbs to take a backseat in the Wildcat. Trick plays like that just don’t work effectively long term.
So if you draft a good piece or two on offense, you’ll have a decent offense in 2 to 3 years.
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I’ve seen 5 different sets of highlights during my local games (I live in Atlanta, never get to see the Browns save last week’s loss to the Falcons) and NOBODY even mentioned that we lost two players to helmet to helmet hits. Meanwhile, they’ve been showing the gruesome hit DeSean Jackson took over and over again.
I really feel for Rob Ryan. He just doesn’t seem to have the personal to do what he wants to do defensively.
a hit that might have been borderline
It WAS borderline and should receive a fine simply because it was such as clear helmet-to-helmet hit. Even the kind folks at BTSC saw it as such.
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Which hit?
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
More of a semantic point, but I was referring to the hit to Cribbs. It was “borderline” – some might see it as okay, and others as improperly leading with the helmet. (That’s the definition of borderline).
I think he should be fined. I wouldn’t call it a dirty hit, but the way Goodell is handing out fines, the Cribbs hit certainly deserves one. But, I’m not looking to argue that point (because it was a “borderline” hit…)
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Nope
its called a tackle, it is allowed in Tackle football
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a tackle, then there is using your head as a battering ram. they are not synonymous.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Actually they are
just ask TJ ward
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If James Harrison did
than TJ did
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why we want both plays to be flagged. Only 1 was flagged. Do you get why we are complaining?
actually
There was a flag on the Mo Mass hit. It was on Alex Mack for delay of game, when he kicked the ball out of bounds thinking there may have been a fumble on the play.
That’s not the flag we’re talking about.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How are facts ignorant
you did look your profile picture right
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What was a fact?
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That is Harrison's hit is dirty than TJ's hit is as well
which is something you guys don’t want to admit
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re just extremely ignorant about TJ’s hit. You don’t know what you’re trying to argue.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and lets assume this is the case:
TJ ward got a 15 yard penalty for it and a 15k fine.
Harrison got no penalty for either.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
and he shouldn't
Its called Tackle Football for a reason, that reason is to not try to take someone’s head off. Which Harrison didn’t do with either of those hits
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
NTFL. National Tackle Football League.
Thanks for stopping by, you can go now.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you are missing the point repeatedly here. many people on this site have no problem with the hit. the argument they have is that the rule isn’t being applied consistently. if they are going to hand out a 15 yd penalty and 15k fine to ward, Harrison should get the same, or it is a clear act of bias.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Then holding should be enforced across the board as well.
Which would put a great many QB’s in danger of getting crushed by Harrison. Oh…but it’s ok to hold the former NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Evens the playing field?
YOu want “enforced consistently,” start there. Then we can talk about the other crap.
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There’s a difference between enforcing holding and enforcing helmet to helmet blows that leave the recipient concussed and unconscious. If you can’t see the difference, then you are a typical Steelers fan.
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by woodsmeister on Oct 18, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical Steelers fans always change the topic when confronted with anything wrong the Steelers might be perceived to do wrong; therefore, he is a typical Steelers fan. That’s how they roll. They always need to believe that somehow they’re being kept back by the man in order to excuse their viciousness in flouting the rules.
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by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
just like I could say Browns fans always need to feel like fans of more successful teams are slobs and idiots so that they can feel a little bit better about rooting for cellar dwellers? they always need to feel like their fandom is known and is much more superior to yours, because your team doesn’t suck.
Then apparently I'm not a "typical Steelers fan
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I also think holding should be enforced more regularly. But you are kidding yourself if you think people get away with holding harrison more than anyone else.
nice change of subject though.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t a change of subject at all. My comment was along the lines of: if you want to talk about that, then let’s talk about this first. “This” was holding penalties. My example was harrison being held. If you think he doesn’t get held any more or less than the average player in the league, you obviously don’t watch much Steeler football.
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I have seen Harrison get held.
I have also seen Harrison act like he is being held more than any other player I have seen. I think that helps in the perception that he is being held more than other players.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
also, what makes enforcing holding more important than enforcing a rule that exists to keep players safe?
Your comment fails to counter mine. I’m waiting for you or anyone else to tell me why I’m wrong.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't ever say "More important"
You did. After the fact.
I believe keeping a player, any player, safe from head injuries, is paramount in importance. You’d be a fool not to place that above a simple holding call.
So, YOU brought in importance, one over the other. I did not. I just alluded to the fact that penalties should be called fairly across the board.
I’m not really waiting for your response on why you’re having a hard time comprehending and then replying to posts.
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Umm, Ray Anderson said the officials dropped the ball with Harrison in not making a call. Game over.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
You don't get it.
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there is some helmet there
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And there was no helmet in either of Harrison’s hits? Go home with your double standards.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You are letting your fanhood (and trollish nature) cloud your judgment.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
your love for calling anyone a troll has blinded you. wvpiratesfan is going to be one of the least trollish people to talk to ever. someone that disagrees with you does not a troll make
You would know all about being a troll.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the word troll gets thrown around on sbnation blogs and this one in particular way too often. people who are older and really have no sense of the internet term troll throw it around whenever someone invades their frat house style blog and starts saying things they disagree with.
no. we rarely throw troll around here. Trust me, I have been to ravens blogs, cardinals, bengals, and eagles blogs and because I disagreed, I was called a troll there. they react with calling someone a troll much more than DBN.
Maybe that means if you are getting called a troll consistently on DBN that you should take an introspective look at your comments.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I don’t recall seeing the word troll around here until this week
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I was being semi sarcastic. It really seems like it was used more this past week than it has been the whole season. I don’t even think it was this bad when we played the Ravens.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
We only say troll when being trolled. Go to the Chiefs’, Bucs’, or Falcons’ blogs and ask them about our composure. Also ask them if we ever used the word troll while they were here.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 19, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with you wholeheartedlly.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
thats just false first of all.
second of all, I did get into a banter with WV Pirates Fan and he came off pretty trollish, ignoring facts and making inflammatory comments.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You call this a good tackle too?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Yeah
Mel Blount did that to Cliff Branch once
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to be clear on that.
Current NFL rules don’t support that, but old school is old school.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Steelers’ fans love to call that hit dirty and headhunting, but what they fail to realize is that even Bradshaw says he never heard a whistle and neither did Jones.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I have this framed and signed by Turkey on my wall (he did spell Steeler wrong when he signed it though).
by Nuclear Power on Oct 18, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would call it a dirty hit.
-Harrison led with his helmet
-Harrison initiated a helmet to helmet hit while leading with his helmet
-Harrison came from cribbs’ blindside and cribbs was completely ‘defenseless’ in the sense that he had know way to know harrison is coming (like a QB is defenseless on a blindside blitz).
Hell yes its a dirty hit.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’m fine with the hit on Cribbs. It was an accident.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
For the Cribbs hit, I guess I am okay with Harrison, but not with the refs. In this day-and-age, all helmet-to-helmet hits like that have gotten a flag. Taken a step further, if the refs had flagged Harrison on that play (as they should have since it was helmet-to-helmet), would Harrison have made the hit on Massa as he did?
At this point, I want to see a battery end up in Harrison’s ear the next time he plays in CBS.
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by Spidey on Oct 17, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
disagree, he had his arms down, clearly leading with his helmet. it was a dirty hit from a dirty player. just one man’s opinion I guess.
I don’t think Cribbs is considered “defenseless” on that hit. Plus it happened to fast for Harrison to do anything.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Also, Harrison wouldn’t do that to his old teammate. His looked legitimately concerned after he hit him.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t stop him from laying out Massaquoi.
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I think that was a dirty hit though.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Then that makes Harrison a low-down stinkin’ ass dirty player.
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Meaning that he feels bad about taking out one of his old teammates, but not bad about taking out one that is not.
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so because they were teammates, that excuses the hit from being dirty?
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It explains why he was genuinely concerned after the hit. They were friends and teammates in school, I doubt he hits him like that on purpose because of it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
to me, it didn’t look accidental, but I could be wrong.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
try watching it without the orange coloured glasses. Woodley dragged Cribbs down just as Harrison took off to lay the wood and finish the tackle. Unfortunate collision IMO.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not illegal, I don’t know if you’ve ever tackled somebody, but you lead with your head furthest forward. If the guy moves into the way of that then it is unavoidable.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Helmet to helmet is illegal, take off the piss tinted glasses.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes. But Harrison should never be leading with his helmet regardless, this is what the NFL is trying to avoid.
Also, the refs should be more consistent on these flags.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
dude he becomes a runner at that point
not a QB or a WR, he is fair game.
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by WVPiratesfan on Oct 17, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the rule states anyone defenseless. But, regardless, he shouldn’t be leading with his helmet.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m done with this covo. It will never end.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately some people don’t want to admit that there is a difference between incidental contact and malicious intent.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This I agree with.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And Ward’s hit on Shipley was malicious?
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly. To me, it is not 100% clear if it was incidental or malicious for the cribbs hit, but I have seen the ward hit 1000+ times and it definitely wasn’t malicious.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I have only seen it a couple times, but it looks like as he dove for the tackle, he was aiming at the head. Like I said, I could be wrong and its been hours since I saw the hit.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
See, Wilcots made a point about that during the game and I just don’t see it. It was a hit to his earhole – where Cribbs could not see Harrison. How is Cribbs not defenseless?
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He was running the ball. Simple as that.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So, any guy running the ball is fair game for helmet-to-helmet hits? If this is truly the case, then fine, all guys running the ball are fair game.
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Yes, fair game. I watched the play 20 times. It was an accident.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That wasn’t my question. Intent is not what we are judging. Hitting an opposing player helmet-to-helmet is all we are concerned about. My question is whether it is okay to hit another player helmet-to-helmet. Your response seems to say that it is okay in certain circumstances – particularly when a guy gets a concussion.
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Dude, it was an accident. Clean hit. I’m not crying about it, you are.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As many others are, too.
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My problem with your response is that you didn’t answer my question: which is whether it is within the rules to hit a player carrying the ball helmet-to-helmet. Yes, or no?
Whether you think the NFL is right in instituting the rule, it seems clear to me that these hits are not legal. Right or wrong, this is how the rule reads:
“using any part of a players helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protect those players who are in virtually defenseless postures.”
The way I read this is that officials are given a little leeway to miss the call, but the commish has no excuse…
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by Spidey on Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am arguing if it was malicious or accidental. Not if it’s legal or illegal.
It was illegal and the refs need to be more consistent. HOWEVER, it was accidental.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
virtually defenseless postures
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
they will give special attention to those players, not exclusive attention.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He was running full speed and expecting to hit a pile. Not Cribbs’ ear.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
but he did cribbs’ ear.
should we let people get away with things that aren’t against the rules because they didn’t MEAN to do them? Heard of Involuntary Manslaughter?
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Heard of Involuntary Manslaughter?
Oh, great. Another patented “Bross brings up something completely irrelevant to football” line. This is sure to start a long, stupid, heated debate.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if you pointlessly call him out on it. What he’s saying is correct, if they flag Ward who didn’t hit Shipley’s helmet on purpose, than why the hell didn’t they flag both of Harrison’s hits?
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
this wouldn’t have gone off topic until you tried to bring it off topic and put it on me.
it is a completely relevant analogy which NCF points out below.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
So helmet to helmet is a clean hit?
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I think a helmet to helmet hit is a flag no matter what, and a defenseless player will draw a flag for any hit to the head from the forearm or shoulder. If you take your helmet and hit someone in the earhole that is a penalty. I feel 80% certain that is the rule
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Hits like that need to be eliminated from the game. Hits like that are the reason that careers end early and NFL players spend their retirement years drooling on themselves and confusing mailboxes for their grandchildren.
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It made me laugh too, but I do think he’s exactly right. I hate it when people say “That’s just football.” This is what’s wrong with football. We should protect the players that are entertaining us.
I think the NFL needs to consistently fine and penalize dangerous behavior, particularly crap like Harrison pulled today. You should tackle by wrapping up — which is more effective anyway — and if you try to cripple somebody, you should be penalized for it.
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So. I am now thoroughly on the “Start McCoy for the rest of the season train”. McCoy looked stellar for what was expected and what he had to go against. It took him a drive to get settled but man, I give McCoy a solid B+ for today’s game. The INTs were questionable and Watson should’ve had the first one. I know the plan was to keep McCoy on the sidelines but I loved what he showed today. Who cares if we lost? McCoy looked awesome.
Also, Harrison’s hit on Cribbs was unfortunate but legal. It will be fined due to the severity of it, but Harrison and Cribbs were teammates and friends and I doubt Harrison wanted to bring harm to him. Once again, it was a Shipley case; Cribbs brought his head into Harrison’s way. Now, the hit on MoMass on the other hand…
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1. cribbs may have moved his head such that it got hit, but harrison was leading with his helmet.
2. I care that we lost.
Yes, but his head was down before Cribbs moved his head down. It was much more a terrible mistake than a purposeful dirty hit. They were friends at KSU, I doubt Harrison had any intent to crack him in the earhole.
Also, yes I over exaggerated, but still. I loved what I saw.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that Harrison never – NEVER – should have had his head down… When he leads with his head he himself open to a helmet-to-helmet hit. Isn’t this what the NFL is trying to eliminate (as the Yahoo post is saying)?
It’s like driving drunk – people who get behind the wheel after pounding a few at the bar don’t intend to kill someone in an accident. Leading with the helmet is the same thing… They don’t intend to have a helmet-to-helmet hit, but the odds of it happening are far greater.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
One of these days we’ll just have to accept that Moon knows everything.
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He’s like a mad football scientist wizard thing.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Colt had one really bad throw, and that was the second pick. The first was an unfortunate bounce. I was impressed with Colt, and with some tough possession receivers and the O-Line you have the Browns should give the Steelers a tough time in the years to come.
Harrison’s hit was helmet to helmet. It was illegal. The second one I didn’t see a good angle but looked less like leading with his helmet and more like he just jacked him up really hard. However in that position he could be considered defenseless, although he had already moved towards the ball after missing it initially, maybe I’m just not into the whole defenseless receiver rule. My point is I have more problem with the first tackle than the second, and helmet to helmet is illegal.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Now Phanta, I was talking with another BTSC member about you, how come you just appear, say something sage like, then disappear again?
Also, I disagree on the first hit, from my view it looked like Harrison was aiming to use his right shoulder to deliver the killer blow to the stacked up Cribbs and, after launching into the tackle Cribbs fell towards the deck, causing a helmet to helmet.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He could have been aiming at his feet, but he still hit helmet to helmet
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers fans… They just don’t understand that helmet-to-helmet means helmet hits the other helmet. It’s a rather simple concept and clear as day. Harrison’s helmet hit Cribbs’ helmet.
Then again, Steelers fans don’t understand that no-means-no, so what do we expect.
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Correction: Steelers’ Starting QBs don’t understand no means no.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Going there.
This is how it’s done kids.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Steelers fans, and the refs. We tend to not like any of the sissification of the game here in Pittsburgh. We want the old Mel Blount era pass defense and leather helmets. . .
That is until Merril Hoge talks about concussions and people remember Mike Webster. Players need to be protected from the game itself. Like Mike Tomlin says, the most violent team wins. Safe football is played on your Xbox. It’s the great paradox of the NFL, how much violence can you have while still protecting your players?
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
the same argument with the shipley hit where ward led with his shoulder but then shipley ducked so it became a helmet to helmet.
a helmet to helmet is a helmet to helmet and its a personal foul.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I believe under the current rules intention is irrelevant. It just has to hit.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
@Brownie on Starting McCoy…
It is just one game but I feel we saw a spark today from Colt. I’m sure he’ll be up and down like all rookies are. Look at Sanchez his first year, Bradford, etc. But what I saw today looked so much better than either Wallace or Delhomme, I mean I haven’t seen that many deep throws all year. Interceptions? There will be plenty I’m sure… especially with our receivers. I’m ready to see the kid start. Let’s get him the reps he needs in a season that really is pretty much a goner as far as playoff go (PLAYOFFS!!! PLAYOFFS???). He is getting good protection and seems to be able to make something happen. If he turns out to be serviceable that solves one of the HUGE problems for this team going forward and the Browns can concentrate on other voids on the team.
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I’m not going to anoint him “The One”, but I believe he at least deserves a couple more shots to show us if what we saw today was real or a fluke.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and one more.
Hodges was kicking out of this world today. Too bad the D didn’t step up.
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not so much the “D” not stepping up, but wright AGAIN!!
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by findlaybrownslover on Oct 17, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, Wright getting beat is now a rite, I write.
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No way. He’s blowing too.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That guy really pissed me off.
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by chewiesteeler on Oct 17, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers fans: Not one person here thinks we lost because of the refs. There is a difference between being mad about 2 of our players going out of the game despite no flags and outright blaming the loss on officiating. We lost to a better team, we are all aware of that.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 17, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I gotta give Harrison credit for something: this team did not seem to have a spark once he laid out the hits. maybe its because we lost both cribbs and MoMass but maybe its also partly a psychological aspect.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I noticed that too. But I took it as a kick in the groin by the refs.
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Yeah especially after the momass hit (which was absolutely illegal, way less questionable than the cribbs hit) Where Mack kicked the ball out of bounds (beliving it was possibly a live fumble) the refs saw fit to penalize the kick when james harrison is sending our wideouts to the lockerroom one by one. What a crock of shit.
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by chewiesteeler on Oct 17, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So the opposing players don’t grab it. An offensive lineman with alligator arms doesn’t stand a chance against a DB clawing at the ball
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you fall on the ball. kicking ball = penalty.
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by chewiesteeler on Oct 17, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
no. kicking the ball while the ball is in play is perfectly legal. he was trying to kick it out of bounds so that the browns would retain possession. I would have liked to have seen him fall on it, but what he did is legal and understandable.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. It was a penalty because it was a dead ball. You see punters kick bad snaps out of the back of the end zone.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Five minutes before Mack got called for that penalty, a Giant did the exact same thing in the New York game. I was watching with a bunch of Giants fan and we were wondering why Mack got a flag in the Cleveland game but the Giants player didn’t. They were even pissed when he kicked the ball because they thought he was going to get a delay of game penalty.
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Agreed. While I think the outcome of the game would have been dramatically different if Cribbs and MoMass could have kept playing, I don’t think we’d win if we had gotten an extra 15 yards after each of those hits.
But I’d still say that they were illegal hits. I’d also say the TJ Ward hit on Shipley was illegal. Only Harrison’s hit on MoMass looked dirty to me. Definitely looked intentional to me.
by shep615 on Oct 17, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!!!
But, I think the 15-yarders might have had some type of impact.
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this is what I think. all illegal hits according to the rule, even the Ward hit. The Cribbs hit is debatable.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have an issue with the Cribbs hit. Ward smacked Mendenhall helmet to helmet later on.
But on the MoMass hit, that is almost a carbon copy of the Shipley hit. If one is a penalty, the other has to be too. I think the main problem is that the referees all have different ideas of what that “rule” is. It is a horsesh*t rule.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. I’m fine with the Cribbs hit.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to be an ass...
But in respect to being “dramatically” different, they weren’t really doing a ton before they got injured, and given the Steelers body of work, not to mention history against the Browns, I have a hard time thinking “dramatically” would be the word to use. “Different,” most definitely.
Before you flame me…which I don’t care about one way or the other…I like Cribbs game, and have MoMass on a fantasy team…both are good players, and Cribbs has been called a “Steelers Killer” and rightfully so, he’s electric…his hit wasn’t in any way worthy of being flagged, or even fined after the fact. it will be, but ehhh….Mo Mass….hard to look at that and say it was clean. I’d be mad too. But if you want to demonize Harrison, I think that’s wrong. He’s an animal. Pure and simple, a beast, and he plays hard very single play. He even said, he doesn’t want to injure anyone. Just lay a hurt on them. Fair enough.
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what they had done to that point isn’t that relevant
a) we lost our #1 WR forcing our #2 to go in the place of the #1.
b) we were shallow at WR and we lost 2 of our 3 best/most productive WRs. That forces a guy like robiskie to face Bryant McFadden instead of Ike taylor or a Chansi stuckey to be covered by Taylor instead of William Gay. when you have less effective WRs facing off against certain CBs, your passing game will inherently be worse.
c) that fumbled punt likely doesn’t happen if cribbs is back there returning punts
d) with the injury, our ability to run the wildcat is gone and we are not as able to keep the D on their toes.
It probably doesn’t result in a win, but it would change the game significantly.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You just agreed with what I said.
And what had happened before that is actually relevant. As an indicator of what’s to come, there wasn’t much happening. Not much to make me think things wold be different, from a results point of view. Stats, score, for sure…but result? I care less about stats. That’s what fantasy ifsfor. Results are what matter.
As far as stats go, even though much of what McCoy did came in garbage time, I thought he showed a lot of promise. I’m hoping you found your QB, it’s been too long that you guys have suffered with mediocrity (or just plain trash) at that position.
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Hold a decent conversation using reason and not myopia for once and don't try to demean people.
Thank you very much, I will move on. I’m about to be banned in three…..two….one…..
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thank you for doing this before shit hit the fan.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If I may call you guys out
you are all upset over James Harrison Tackling people, while you are fine with TJ Ward trying to take Jordan Shipley’s head off. It all makes sense now, its ok as long as it doesn’t happen to a brown
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Ward didn’t hit with his helmet, you moron.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ward did hit Shipley’s helmet but led with his shoulder. Like I said, I don’t have a problem with any of the hits, only the differences in call by the officials.
Shoulder to the helmet is not illegal.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The league has left the interpretation of this rule open-ended enough with the “defenseless receiver” which is a joke but makes the hit most likely a flag.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 17, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for calling the defenseless receiver rule a joke.
It seems to me the more rules they make to stop helmet to helmet hits the more they happen.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hafta agree with this. Unless Dorn is happy to see more retired football players shooting their brains out after taking too many concussions.
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Agree.
Also would add: the NFL has rules in place RIGHT NOW that state a player should be ejected immediately for H-2-H hits. They do not enforce them. Tell me the last time you saw that enforced. Can’t without looking it up.
Don’t blame the players, or even a team. Blame the NFL. It’s completely and entirely THEIR fault, and now thay’re running around with their hands over their mouths going “Oh my! How could this be?!?” when they are in fact the doofs responsible.
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I agree with almost everything you say here, but a dirty hit is a dirty hit and the hitter is just as much to blame.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 19, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
His helmet ended up connecting with Shipley’s, which is technically illegal, regardless of the intent.
Really? I’ll have to watch it again.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If a receiver is defenseless any hit above the shoulders is illegal.
The Defenseless Receiver Rule: Under the old rule, the NFL only looked to eliminate helmet-to-helmet hits on defenseless receivers. Now, it’s going to be tossing flags at shoulder and forearm hits to the head or neck area on a defenseless receiver.
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
We’re pissed that there wasn’t a flag. Ward was flagged. Harrison was fellated by the announcers.
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by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Not sure what you’re talking about — the announcers were surprised that Harrison didn’t get a flag on the MoMass hit. When they saw the flag on the field that’s what they assumed it was about and were talking about why he deserved a flag for that hit.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see it that way.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Now let’s see the following few minutes of footage for each play.
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Go for it.
Unless they continued to talk about it for the next five minutes, I suspect your characterization is wrong. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, you’re absolutely correct. Solomon Wilcots wasn’t positively giddy about the hit.
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I never thought he was giddy about it. I think you’re looking for reasons to criticize the announcers.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Harlan and Wilcots are unbiased announcers?
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I always like to think Wilcots treats us better than most.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They are just bad and lazy. It’s easier to talk about the favorites and teams that have a lot of stories & press. You have to admit that it would take a little more time to find stories and details about Browns players – and once Cribbs was taken out, half the feel-good stories were gone.
In other words, the bias comes from not being very good.
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I get that from other announcers, but not from those two. They. Are. Infuriating.
The Steelers make a decent play and they sound like Jim Donovon on mescaline. The Browns make a decent play, their reaction is subdued (unless they’re picking the play apart as they did on Colt’s nice scramble today or on Cribbs return last year)
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by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That.
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They were praising McCoy quite a bit today, I thought. And the Steelers were making a bunch of really good plays so of course the announcers are going to be talking about them.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They nearly shit themselves every time Mendenhall picked up 5 yards. McCoy scrambles for 7 yards setting up a third and short (which we converted) and Wilcots chides him for it.
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by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I did get annoyed when they criticized McCoy for running when I thought it was a smart play, and they did it a couple times. I think they were thinking that because he was a rookie he wasn’t looking down the field long enough, but I thought they were smart plays.
But that was just bad announcing, not a bias against the Browns.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never thought they were biased. I don’t really think most announcers are biased; many of them are just bad. I don’t see any reason to think they hate the Browns or were rooting against the Browns, if that’s what you’re saying.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not so much this as they were on Ben’s tip the whole game and every time McCoy made a nice play all they focused on was what he did wrong.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
And how loud and obnoxious would they have been had Mendenhall hurdled a Brown? Hillis hurdles Palamalu, and they made mention that he did the same thing last week, but brought all of the enthusiasm to the call that you’d expect from a guy calling a golf match.
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by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they said many nice things about McCoy. I know you’re exaggerating, but to say that “every time” McCoy made a good play all they focused on is what he did wrong is not even close to being true. If you really think that then you were just looking for something to complain about and ignoring reality.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I exaggerated a little about the McCoy stuff, but only a little and that is what is sad. EVERY time someone on the steelers made an average or better play they were out-of-their-seats excited. That is not exaggeration.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Harlan and Wilcots are not good. The way they were talking at the start of the game and in the 1st quarter, you’d think the Steelers had a roster of geniuses and philanthropists.
We don’t? I mean Ben gives dogs to cops, and drinks to thirsty girls. James Harrison would give you his own helmet if he thought you needed it. Hines likes to give defenders a nice vacation. . . the list just goes on and on.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thirsty underage girls.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Define "under age"
For drinking? Yes.
Sex? No.
And why was she in a bar/club anyway?
Not excusing Ben…NOT AT ALL…but she needs to be on her campus playing Uno with her girlfriends, or going to a movie. When she’s 21, she can drink all she wants.
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And why was she in a bar/club anyway?
You don’t have to add your disclaimer. Your point was already implied by your ridiculous question.
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by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Tell me how ridiculous that is if it's your 20 year old daughter.
Put aside that I’m a Steeler fan for a second and listen to yourself. You’re flippin’ ridiculous.
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Wow. Watching that hit on Cribbs has really solidified my thinking – cheap hit. Seeing Harrison finish the hit over a body length past Cribbs after leading with his helmet… I just don’t see how you can call that a clean hit when he knowingly led with his helmet. He might not have intended to hit Cribbs’ in the head, but Harrison meant to deliver full impact (no matter where he was aiming) with his helmet.
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After watching this, there is no way he was aiming anywhere but Cribbs’ helmet with his own helmet.
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by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That.
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Stop generalizing. If you want to go there, then accept the fact that Pittsburgh is filled with a bunch of rapist lovers (given the reception Ben got).
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And THIS guy isn't warned or banned?
Seriously?
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TJ Ward hit=/=James Harrison hit.
In both hits, harrison LED with his helmet, whereas in the TJ ward hit, he didn’t. its pretty darn clear in any replay he didn’t.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the call, because he did make contact with the helmet and it was a helmet to helmet hit. however, calling it on Ward but not on both of harrison’s plays (which were much more serious offenses) is setting a double standard.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I dunno… I think TJ Ward’s hit was fairly similar to Harrison’s hit on Cribbs. There was helmet to helmet contact on both, and I’m not totally sold that either was intentional.
But the hit on MoMass was illegal, dirty, and intentional.
Def. messed up that Harrison didn’t get a flag on either hit, though.
TJ Ward did not lead with his helmet. TJ ward did not make first contact and exert most of his force through helmet to helmet contact.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
This is true.
I haven’t been able to find a good clip of the hit on Cribbs, so I haven’t been able to watch it more than what they showed during the game. But it seemed to me like one of their linebackers hit Cribbs and started to bring him down while Harrison was about to put the hit on him. I could see how it could go either way. But I could be wrong- Like I said, I haven’t been able to find a clip of the hit that works on my computer yet.
Lemme be clear- I think that Harrison’s hit on Cribbs was illegal. I just don’t know that I’m ready to say it was intentional and dirty quite yet.
you are not understanding what we’re saying. I tried to lay this out for you earlier but I’ll give it another go.
Most people here don’t mind hits like that. we just think they should all be penalized the same.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy had a strong showing today, you guys have alot to look forward to with him it seems.
"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...
I will be honest, I haven’t been particularly optimistic about McCoy, but he showed me something today. Would like to see what he can do against worse defenses.
The 2 ints aren’t pretty, but 281 yards against that pass rush with Polamalu back there is.
"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...
one of the 2 INTs was off his WRs hands and into the defender. the other was a bad decision and its a play that if you played it over and over, would not once again come out as an INT.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
McCoy did though almost throw a third pick that was dropped.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
but he didn’t. he also could have thrown 2 less INTs. I am just looking at this for development. In reality, a pick is a pick and we should just look at the picks he did throw and he was still solid.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Right.
McCoy also showed progression and improvement during the game – like he was actually learning a thing or two.
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He looked better than Quinn ever did. Never had that "what the hell do I do" look.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he waste a single timeout? I don’t think he did. Quinn and Anderson would burn through all three in the first five minutes of every half.
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I remember the O – line wasting one on a sack that could’ve been contained.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, every time they burnt a timeout, the next play was a delay of game followed by a sack or a turnover or both.
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I forgot about that. That may have been the saddest moment in franchise history.
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Is it me, or do we never win challenges?
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mangini's record with challenges was well known before he came to the Browns
Shouldn’t be any surprise there, he makes poor decisions in that regard.
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Or the same exact play they were going to run before.
I have no way of proving this, but I doubt I’m wrong.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just meant to suggest, if you are going to begin to dissect some of the throws, yes, there’s one INT that really isn’t a bad throw, but there’s also a really bad throw that could have easily been an INT.
Point is, it goes both ways.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. it does.
the point isn’t trivial stuff like which one should be and which one shouldn’t.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That’s not trivial. His point is valid — if you’re going to say that one of his picks shouldn’t have counted because it wasn’t his fault, then you should also acknowledge that he threw a ball that should have been picked by the defense but wasn’t. It goes both ways.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it does…but arguing about it is trivial when it comes to analyzing how colt did.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Wasn’t trying to start an argument; my original comment was more an aside. I still think my point is fair, but I agree it’s not worth arguing about for 100 posts.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Arguing about trivialities is pretty much all we do on this site.
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by Chemo on Oct 17, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Luckily there are a few things in which we all can agree:
1) That Brady Quinn is great.
2) Phil Savage had wonderful drafts.
3) Joe Thomas is merely okay.
4) The defenseless receiver rule.
5) National socialism.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
7) Hitler was the man.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t arguing, he was just pointing it out in reply to your comment in order to show both sides. You’re the one arguing about it. You could have just said “yeah, you’re right, he did throw another one that should have been picked and was his fault.”
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and I did acknowledge it, and then tried to end it by saying that its not worth pursuing further and is a trivial matter to discuss
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That’s bullcrap. If you really wanted to end it then you wouldn’t have said this:
yep. it does.
the point isn’t trivial stuff like which one should be and which one shouldn’t.
None of that needed to be said. You were just continuing the argument for no good reason.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of those lines were supposed to be in blockquotes.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And you are egging him on here Brad.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m explaining what I mean so that hopefully he doesn’t do it again. He does this often — claims that he’s trying to end an argument yet keeps making comments when none are necessary to keep the argument going. I’m showing him an example of that so that he will hopefully learn from it and change his behavior.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but responding will keep him going regardless, much like this comment may with you. You may take this as a shot against you but it isn’t, you two both just have the tendency to run with things.
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For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You could have just said "yeah, you’re right, he did throw another one that should have been picked and was his fault."
You’re talking to Bross.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this wasn’t necessary and its why people here think that there is a ‘gang mentality’
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I would apologize, but I am sure you would just answer me with a 500 word post on why my apology wasn’t on the same level of other apologies you have heard.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Then don’t give him a reason to say things like that.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Even one of your own has an issue with you Kosar....Interesting.
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Got to remember the garbage time rule though…
Our D just seems to give up when we have a nice lead in the 4th, look at TB and TN.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true which is why I discount the total yardage a bit. That said, it’s still the best defense in the league, and I think we have reason to think he could be a player for us. Still too early to know for sure, but we have no WRs and he still put up a lot of yards.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m ragging on McCoy, he was impressive but his “real” stats were more like 220 – 0 – 2.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his TD looked really good though. He made a play with his feet to bait the linebacker and left Watson open. It was a good play.
Agree on that, it was one of the few plays where Timmons looked mortal.
I assume Juan thought the had help over the top so went to contain McCoy.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
so ‘garbage time’ doesn’t count the TD he threw, but does count the INT he threw on the next drive?
How about 217-1-1…because that was his stat line before the ‘garbage time’
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It’s not really giving up, it is a strategy. Ravens did it last week with Denver. When you have a substantial lead in the 4th quarter, defenses tend to play soft coverage in order to bait the offense into wasting more time. When you are up by 2-3 scores in the 4th, letting the offense get those short gains of 4,5,6 through the air is not always a bad thing. It is just using up more time.
"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...
Sounds like an excuse.
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1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It isn’t. I have heard many coaches and players say the exact same thing. When you are winning by a good margin in the 4th quarter, why feel the need to send a crazy blitz every time and play press coverage which highers the risk of getting that 50 yard TD bomb that can put them back in.
"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...
I still hate the prevent D!
It works, and hasn’t cost us a game this year, but it bit us in the ass last year.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a difference between those two cases though. This game seemed out of reach when you guys started to play softer coverage. Doing that when you are only up by 3 with 2 min left is a bad idea though.
"In the Ravens' last 22 regular-season wins dating back to 2008, Flacco has thrown 29 touchdown passes and only five interceptions for a 101.1 quarterback rating. He's completed 385 of 604 passes (.637 percent)." Yea, Flacco is not a reason we have ever won...
I agree on that, I just get worried when I see all those players away from the LOS. I also believe it makes Deebo angry.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What you got on my 40 homie?

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by Villeslgr on Oct 18, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was still pretty impressive before ‘garbage time’.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I thought McCoy was really damn impressive. Like I said a little farther up, I think you guys found your QB. To do that in your first start, regardless of the opponent, is a good thing. To play that well (not entirely effective, but well) in your first start, which happens to be against the best defense in football? Very good stuff. He’s only going to get better.
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Those were really tight windows today. We have to get some WRs that can get open or we will continue with some INTs.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha — it’s about time, Rog!
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Start from the groud up is my philosophy. Look at the Lions, tons of talented options, but no line and no defense yet. They get gashed in terms of points allowed and one of their QBs might die on the field.
Yeah, I know what you’re saying. But we’ve got a good O-line now so it’s time to get some weapons.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy is your future
What an impressive showing by this rookie! He really is going to be a good one for you. Thanks for the hospitality this week and the good, if not spirited banter. Wish you the best of luck in the rest of the season and until we meet again……….. Here We Go!
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
A less satisfying win then.
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by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
All wins against the Steelers are satisfying because they are the Steelers.
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by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ll be the only thing standing between us and an 11 win season.
by StuckInPa on Oct 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m on that train.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not completely sold, but wouldn’t mind seeing him again.
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We aren’t on a date Golan…
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If we ever did go on a date SB, you’d be the bottom.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s DBN Elimidate! Buckeye Brad is a bit of a prude, Mooncamping doesn’t make any sense, bross09 won’t shut up, and SpecialBrownie is a hottie but kind of a dick!
WHO WILL GOLANBATRAC CHOOSE?!
"Have you ever thought about love????"
by Chemo on Oct 17, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I approve this comment.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This made me laugh pretty hard.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he get to give one of us a rose? Or how about a signed Joe Thomas jersey?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d give you nothing, and you’d like it.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’d give us an attitude.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the clap, heyo.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
So you’d be just like my wife!
Just kidding, of course.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rimshot
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that’s where you’d get the clap!
Woah, I’m Harrison dirty today.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This thread is the 1st one I’ve really been able to laugh while reading all week.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I laughed a ton and had a blast.
I think I’ll post more often.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be green. Well done.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This actually sound like something you’d hear on that old “Blind Date” show.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Did you not notice my date comment?…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I saw that.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Colt has a little Brian Sipe air to him.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Lloyd, Austin, and Miller… way to collectively suck at life this week and pretty much ruin my fantasy hopes. 5, 1, and 4 points respectively and I’m down by 3. Opponent still has Reggie Wayne to play.
On to some Madden. Too bad the Browns suck so much in this game that it’s damn near impossible to win with them.
Who is your guy’s rep for the SBN online franchise?
I’m playing the Steelers but the Titans guy is ignoring my emails/messages.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhmmm not to ruin the argument that Harrison is a nice guy and doesn’t want to kill every Browns player with his helmet, but look at his eyes as he chases McCoy…

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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
All I see is a rookie QB kickin’ some ass.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Kickin’ some ass while getting demolished by a superbowl contender.
I believe we dominated every meaningful stat today.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That was all irrelevant to what I said.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah, I missed that in yesterday’s paper apparently.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Including cheap shots and missed penalties.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut up. He did great for a noob.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to help prove the point that most of the BTSC douchebags that come over here are trolls.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Actually, I wasn’t trying to be a troll, I was more questioning (probably not in the best way) his use of kicking some ass…
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
his performance kicked ass. a kick ass performance=/= win. Its a team game.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It was actually a fairly meagre performance for an NFL QB. Good for a rookie against our D. Under the circumstances you can maybe pass it off as kick ass, but just saying he kicked some ass (implying the Steelers ass) I think my comment was justified…
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
To flatter you, most good QBs play meager games against you guys. If that means McCoy translates to good, he kicked ass for us. After starting against you guys, the sky is the limit now.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, that was my entire point in my last comment. But to say he kicked some ass (which he didn’t) is a false statement, to say, “he looked distinctly average against one of the best defenses of the last decade and the greatest defensive mind in football, which gives me something to look forward to” would be far more truthful.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jack off your defense a little more. You realize our team has virtually zero talent on offense and we still scored a few on you.
"Smokescreen."
can you really disagree with me?
This defense has the potential to be one of the greatest ever. The best S to ever play the game, the best pass rushing linebackers that I can remember, 2 top tier ILB’s and the best 3-4 DL in the league. Throw in some very good play by Ike Taylor and McFadden and you are looking at an amazing D.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s golan?
Not that is fellating.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilcots would agree with everything he wrote.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you disagree with anything I wrote up there, apart from maybe the Troy being the best S ever, which is of course debatable.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know whether golan will answer you or not. But if he doesn’t, don’t take it personally. It’s just that your question is really dumb.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s just an amazingly witty response. Try making a point instead of just disagreeing with me.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I always remember Lott as a CB, not a S
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He was drafted as a CB in ’81, then switched to S in ’85. After the ’85 season he had his pinky amputated so he could still play, and still dominated.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought he got it amputated during a game, or is that a glorification?
I must remember him during his early years though. I think there are a few candidates for best all time.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember right, it got crushed in a game, but wasn’t amputated until after the season.
I agree there are a few candidates for best of all time….I would vote for Lott though hands-down.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think it’s Troy, but could possibly choose Krause over him.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. Lot #1, and Tatum #2 on 100 out of 100 times IMO.
At this point, I think Brian Dawkins is the best active Safety, but Polamalu has the potential to be better.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
But to say he kicked some ass (which he didn’t) is a false statement
nope. Kicking some ass is a subjective statement that is also based on perspective. from the perspective of peyton manning, he sucked. however from the perspective of colt McCoy, he did kick ass.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I am looking at the phrase “kicked some ass” far more literally than you. I compare him to the defense, you compare him to your expectations.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, you are looking at the phrase from the POV of a Steelers fan – if you are going to argue semantics, you gotta think a little more about the house your visiting.
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House I’m visiting? I needn’t change what I believe “kicking some ass” is. I term kicking some ass, as dominating someone, not out performing the expectations.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you even bothering with this argument? What is the point?
Your team won. Your team is much better than ours. Just be happy about that, without feeling the need to come here and let us all know how much better your team is than our team.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well, ‘kicking some ass’ is all about perspective IMO. if a D is great and does great (but not up to their expectations), do they kick ass? I don’t think so because in this scenario, they underperformed compared to expectations.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I say our D kicked your O’s ass all day long, yes. You really struggled to do much of anything until garbage time. As evidenced by the scoreboard and stats.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You really struggled to do much of anything until garbage time.
This is exaggerated.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Highly.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for a rookie against our D
exactly.
Its not kicking ass for most nfl games, but this was a rookie going up against the steelers. thats not ‘most nfl games’.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Rookie QB running for his life with the fear of god in his eyes.
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Super Stud.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s sooo dreamy!!
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’d look awesome with a Rollie Fingers ’stache.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
That pic makes him looks like he has one haha.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 17, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Now THAT’S a Texas cowboy!!
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He should add a cowboy hat in the colors and design of the Browns helmet!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m so on the McCoy waggon now. But I have to say I was never on Quinn’s.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too….I never really liked the Quinn pick, but I was happy when we got McCoy.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
WwwwhhhhhaAaaaat?
You don’t appreciate the stache?
Women dig it, you should jump on that bandwagon.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Put that hat like I was talking about on it.
SOMEBODY SHOULD MAKE IT THEIR AVATAR!!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It has to be that one though.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I prefer the no hat version.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
me too…maybe he needs a bigger hat and an eye-patch
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A cowboy hat doesn’t work with that ’stache. Needs to be a bowler (ala OddJob).
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I like it. To me it screams: “There’s a new sheriff in town!”.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Try the one I just posted.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers fans aren’t happy until they’ve rubbed defeat in your face. When you are down, you must be kicked. That’s how they roll.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine with me. I won’t get my foor off the pedal next time they’re under the bus.
The saga continues.
The karma train is coming for the Steelers. And when it does, it will be a glorious, glorious day.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The karma train makes regular stops in Pittsburgh.
Our win last year.
Ben being suspended.
etc…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The karma train has not made nearly enough stops in Pittsburgh considering all the lucky breaks they’ve had, all the cheap shots they administer, all the players Hines Ward has injured, all the crimes their players have committed, etc. They are the luckiest team in all of football and they just keep winning by playing dirty. The karma train is due to flatten Pittsburgh and leave them down in the ditch for several years. because they have been up at the top way too long.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to look south off of the Mckees Rocks bridge one day and see a giant smoking crater…
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
keep rooting for the meteor, I know I am.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Same look Harrison had on his face when he beat his girlfriend/wife.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Or when someone told him to get rid of the dog who beat the crap outta his kid.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa there. That beating was not malicious nor intentional. It was the unintended outcome of the steroids.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
She clearly put her face in the way of his pimp hand.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
If its an unintentional pimp hand its a clean play
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
He didn't lead with his helmet.
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but remember kids, according to Dan Rooney “the Steelers do not condone violence of any kind, especially against women.”
by Roger Dorn on Oct 17, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At what point in time does Harrison start hearing some static about Roids? Does anyone not believe that he is swallowing pills? The dude has shoulders 50 inches wide with a 26 inch waist.
Not to mention that no one ever heard of the guy until he explodes at the age of 29. Sure. Right. That’s normal.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And the fact that he moved from team to team and then out of nowhere became a Pro Bowl player…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You're such a loser, dude. :) I love you. You are entertaining...
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Collie or Garcon for the night game? Half point per reception which has been leading me to start Collie, but he is a bit banged up.
Garcon is healthy and from UMU.
Garcon.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Collie is a sure 4-5 points, despite the questionable tag. Garcon is a more of risk.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
In not sure who you are talking about, but either way, Collie has been a bigger monster.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
But I am biased of course.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
BY and SB are both saying Garcon, so I’d go with Collie.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Har
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I always ef up last comment replies.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in: if the Bears don’t fix their line, Jay Cutler will die on the field.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
NBC just made McCoy sound like Ryan Leaf and Ben like Peyton Manning.
Stupid.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
And didn’t show Harrison’s hit on MoMass.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Can’t make America’s team look dirty now.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the Cowboys were America’s team….not that I want them to be, I just swear I remember hearing that somewheres
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they are. But every Steelers fan I know always says “The Steelers are the real America’s Team.”
Ugh.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We have the same record as the Cowboys. All of that talent. One win. As much as 1-5 sucks for us, it could always be worse.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
too true….I’d have to say we are playing better than we should be.
Maybe we should be Americas team lol
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Add Miles Austin and Demarcus Ware to the Browns, and we’re undefeated and on our way to the playoffs.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Add Miles Austin and Demarcus Ware to the Browns, and we’re undefeated and on our way to the playoffs.
You don’t say?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same for Frisco too.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin almost teared up when his crowed cheered like that for a rapist.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
True. I was really surprised to hear nearly 100% (I say “nearly” because I’m giving at least a few fans the benefit of the doubt) support for Ben. During the off-season I recall hearing reports that a large share of the fans were upset with Ben and wanted to see his butt shipped out of town. Now, it’s some big love-in for this sleazeball.
It’s really disappointing – and the media feeds into it.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Actually, I do believe there were some protestors outside Heinz Field today protesting that Big Ben was back.
The saga continues.
Still, no boos in the stadium.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
I can’t wait to hear 70,000 chant “No Means No” when they come to Browns Stadium.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Oh crap, please tell me this is planned!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard some folks that tailgate in the Muni lot talk about getting in going pre-game so it carries over into the satdium. We can only hope.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I’m not surprised — fans always cheer for their players. Look at how Giants fans cheered Bonds even at the end of his career when everyone else hated him. It’s like that in every city, and we can’t pretend that Browns fans would be any different if the situation was reversed.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, some Browns fans would, just like some people in Pittsburgh would as well.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But they didn’t – and that was the point of my original post. I was really surprised to hear almost complete applause for him.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
How do you know they didn’t? Just because you couldn’t hear it on the TV doesn’t mean that some people didn’t boo. And what about the people protesting outside (like someone else mentioned)?
I’m not surprised at all. Again, if it happened for a star Browns player then he’d get the same reception in his first game back. That’s how fans are — they support the players who help them win. It’s the same all over the country, and we can’t pretend that our fans are any different.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean, Cleveland was snookered into believing LeBron James was a decent human being, for example.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you like to carve out an exception for yourself?
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In Cleveland?! Who?
Again, are you referring to yourself?
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I could list you some of my friends names, but I doubt you know any of them. Scott Raab, a notable Cleveland writer, has long disliked Lebron if you are looking for someone more famous.
I stand corrected.
Yeah, I mean, Cleveland* was snookered into believing LeBron James was a decent human being, for example.
*Except some of Roger Dorn’s friends and Scott Raab.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, I am positive it is limited to the select group of people that I know and read, and not anyone else.
As much as I’d love to press the point, I’m not sure this thread can handle another argument about “blanket statements” and generalizations.
However, I’d like to take this opportunity to say, you are completely right: Literally not every, single person within the jurisdictional limits of the City of Cleveland nor every, single fan of said city’s sports team was enamored by LeBron James. Your original response was a significant rebuttal to my recklessness with the truth through excessive vagueness, and I am sufficiently humiliated.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was a good player, but I never liked Lebron.
You don’t wear a Yankee cap to an Indians game.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This a million times over. Dude has no class and he showed it loooooong before “the Decision”.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There were a few Cleveland fans who never forgave him for wearing a Yankees hat to the Indians playoff game.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we just ignored it.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Like McNabb cheered in Philly a few weeks ago? Or is that different?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you’re talking nonsense. Browns fans welcoming back a HOF-worthy/Super Bowl champ after breaking the law? Pffft. It’s impossible to imagine
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
HOF-worthy
Uh, wut? We’re talking about Ben here.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What — that a Browns QB would win the Super Bowl? haha
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. I would hate bonds if he played for the indians. Some obviously would but without using the word some, you make it seem like golan or I would be in favor of someone like that on the browns. he made it clear he isn’t but I wouldn’t at all favor a player like that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Of course, not EVERYONE would cheer for him in Cleveland, just like not everyone cheered for him in Pittsburgh. That’s so obvious that it didn’t need to be stated. There probably isn’t a single issue that EVERY Browns fan would agree on, so obiously I didn’t mean every single person would do that.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There probably isn’t a single issue that EVERY Browns fan would agree on
The “fire Daboll” committee would like to have a word with you…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
then don’t say blanket statements that browns fans would support someone in his situation.
that description fits me (the browns fan) but at the same time it doesn’t (I wouldn’t support him). I get what your saying, I just don’t appreciate being lumped in with people who would support scum
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yet people here said that Steeelers fans supported Ben when it wasn’t all of them.
People make generalizations and it goes both ways. Don’t get all upset when it goes against you when you do the same for other people.
Also, it’s very easy now to say that you wouldn’t cheer for someone like him on your team, but much different when it actually happens.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are lumping me in with the “generalizations” crowd (since it was my comment that started this), please reconsider. When the entire stadium sounds like they are cheering for Ben, it is not a generalization – all of the fans were showing their support.
Now if you want to say that you heard a smattering of boos, I’m happy to change my assessment.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Why do you care if our fanbase forgives a QB who a.) wasn’t charged with any crime after a witch-hunt to gather some evidence to charge him and b.) he served an unprecedented 4 game suspension without having formal charges filed against him?
Is he a pig? Probably. Is he an arrogant womanizer? Maybe. Is he awaiting trial for a crime? No. He’s not.
Until being a jerk is a felony, why shouldn’t we cheer for him like all of our other players…. he was only tried and convicted in the media, people.
You guys talk about karma here… How’s this helping your own??
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
wasn’t charged with any crime after a witch-hunt to gather some evidence to charge him
I’m glad you started with this.
Saved me some time.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just have to shake my head sometimes. People want soooo badly for him to be guilty of something that they’ll completely dismiss the GBI findings and take the National Enquirer as gospel.
Get a life and stop crucifying people based on what you’d “like” to see happen to them… geez.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I nominate this for unintentional irony of the year.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that Ben did some bad things (two accusations) – and he has earned whatever “conviction” he has received. The fans – and the media – who thought he should have been shipped off just a few months ago are praising him now. I’m just surprised that everyone (it sounded like everyone) in the stands were giving him the love.
Now, if I were in your shoes, I don’t know how I would act. Would I cheer? Maybe. Would I feel proud of it? I don’t know…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Spidey… with all due respect, I’m calling Bullshit on your last comment. No one I know, who is a fan of the Steelers (or a decent human being…forget about football) is in favor of a crime against women. (I can speak as a woman here… I’m definitely not in favor of crimes against women)
I’m also not in favor of branding someone a rapist when after a long, involved and very, very public investigation, there was NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. That… is a crime in and of itself IMHO. He may be the QB of a much hated rival team… but he’s a human being, too.
Now… had there been charges… off with his head. We don’t want you, nor do we need you. You, stand for nothing Steelers. This however was not the case. He wasn’t convicted by a jury of his peers, he was convicted by a reality-show (whose reality I’m not sure) gossip loving media….who incidentally seems to print whatever they want then just assumes a “slight retraction” will make it all better.
Praise him? Yep. For his efforts on and off the field to improve himself after being raked over the coals for months and then a 5 minute presser that said “No evidence; no charges… Next?” Yeah… I think he has more than paid his dues.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I’m also not in favor of branding someone a rapist when after a long, involved and very, very public investigation, there was NO EVIDENCE OF A CRIME.
But do you consider Ray Lewis a murderer? I bet you do as a Steelers fan.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I sure don’t. See how wrong you can be.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
…It’s the internet, without seeing your face of course you can write no.
I bet you do though.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess you’re just gonna have to take my word for it then, huh.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
If you were a Browns fan, yes. As a Steelers fan, hell no. No offense, but I trust no Steeler fan.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think OJ did it?
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, this is the second time today we made a very similar comment, get outta my head!
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I noticed that too, lol
great minds think alike
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
OJ was found not guilty by a jury. IF he really did it; someone much more powerful than me will call him out… that’s on OJ.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
People who don’t kill people usually don’t commit armed robbery.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I really didn’t want to jump into this, but did you see the DA’s press conference? He basically said “we know Ben is guilty but since the girl was drunk it would be hard to get a conviction.”
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 18, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No conviction doesn’t mean he’s not a douche, look at OJ.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your characterization of the event is a bit lenient, but your overall point is correct. Regardless, a guy like Roethlisberger feeding underaged women shots and then bringing them into a restroom (gross) borders on sexual deviant.
Roger… do you think a BJ in a bathroom is more “deviant” than a BJ in an airplane bathroom? People openly brag about the Mile High club… personally, I never felt the need to join… but others think it’s perfectly wonderful.
I also believe the story was she and her “posse” (complete with their lady-like DTF stickers) were bar hopping for most of the evening prior to the infamous meeting… IIRC.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Sorry I was referring more specifically to giving girls who cannot legally drink alcohol and then convincing them to come into the bathroom with you, not the specific sexual act.
Also BJ…I am not sure since the medical report specifically mentioned a laceration from intercourse in her vaginal region, not sure how you get that from a BJ.
Dorn, Dorn, Dorn.
Foreplay, duh.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger, are you saying she went to the club sober? No alcohol? (I didn’t know it was the patron’s job to card people coming into a bar either…. hm.)
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Oh, so are you assuming he took advantage of a drunk girl?
Such a gentleman, Ben is.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what happens to guys who spend a night in jail for a DUI.
Seems only fair…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like you are digging a hole here whereby you defend Roethlisberger for buying underage girls shots. You are right that it’s not his responsbility to ID people, but shouldn’t someone of large public persona avoid something buying girls like this shots in the first place if his intent was to take them into the bathroom? If it’s even borderline, why would he risk it. Bottom line is they were underage and Roethlisberger paid for some of their alcohol.
I agree with you completely. Everything you stated above is very, very true and it IS conduct unbecoming and he SHOULD have been suspended and apologized to not just his team, but his fans and city. NO QUESTION. Bad judgement by him that is inexcusable.
That does NOT make him a rapist. That is what I will defend.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
1BlkGldFan, it's really not worth your effort
Ben’s issues are the only thing these people have to cling to following yet another curbstomping at the hands of our team. Well, that and some tackles by that big meanie James Harrison! Ben’s accuser could come out and say that the sex was completely consensual and that she just wanted some quick cash and they would remain utterly convinced that he’s a rapist. There are times when you want to believe something so badly you will refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary, no matter how damning. I believe that is the kind of situation we have been privy to over the past week, and quite frankly it becomes more amusing every time it happens.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 17, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, thank you for being the typical douche Steelers fan, once again being the voice for your otherwise classless fanbase.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You are quite welcome
Anything else I can do for you?
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 18, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know LV… you’re right. I was trying to “herd cats” lol
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Cats with short tempers and burgeoning inferiority complexes, it seems
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 18, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
They'll be fine
They still have their mystical elf thingy!

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 18, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hm, hypocrite.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Hm, hypocrite.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hm, hypocrite.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Another curbstomping? Didn’t we knock you out of the playoffs last year?
by Roger Dorn on Oct 18, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
green
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The Steelers were, for all intents and purposes, knocked out by that game
The sickening loss to the Raiders ruined the entire season, and if had we beaten the Browns we probably would have found a way to lose to GB or BAL in the next two weeks. And saying one win sandwiched between 13 losses, many of which were lopsided affairs, changes the fact that the Steelers have owned the new Browns is rather silly.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 18, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Like how none of your brethren will admit the Harrison hits were illegal and should be fined?
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
/Sigh...
Another Steelers victory, another shocked fanbase scrambling to find things to blame their team’s loss on. If you want to spend the rest of your season agonizing over a few big hits, be my guest. Meanwhile, I’ll be planning playoff parties and annoying the heck out of local Bills fans.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever
-Napoleon Bonaparte
As for CJ, he’s going to get his. That’s what he does. You can’t hold him under 100 yards, so forget that.
-August West
CJ's Stat Line, 9/19/10: 16 carries, 34 yards, 1 fumble
Cornell University Class of 2014
by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all I wouldn’t call us shocked, second of all I never said we lost because of said illegal hits. I love how you tried to change the subject there. Steelers/Browns week is over, go troll whoever the hell you play next.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You changed the subject to "hits."
So you apparently know about the subject of “changing subjects.”
And yes, you are shocked. We read your blog before the season started. Oh, yes we did. Not as shocked as Bungles fans right now but shocked nonetheless. In fact, I’m sure, if we cared enough, we could dig up some ridiculously optimistic words from your pen, from before the wheels fell off.
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Do we not have a waiting period to post here? Do we not ban people? Why does this happen?
"Have you ever thought about love????"
I true philosopher.
Great questions.
I'll be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from May, 2011 to Sept., 2011, to raise money for charity. Please visit: http://thf2.wordpress.com for more info.
Neither you nor he know what her state of mind was when entering the club, what we do know is he fed her shot after shot and lead her to the bathroom where his posse blocked the door.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so either
a) he brought alcohol to girls underage (crime)
b) the girls were drunk and therefore he took advantage of a drunk chick (classy and also one of the most common situations for rape)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Fantastic.
He can throw a ball well. Must be her fault.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 18, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Roger… do you think a BJ in a bathroom is more "deviant" than a BJ in an airplane bathroom? People openly brag about the Mile High club… personally, I never felt the need to join… but others think it’s perfectly wonderful.
Well, this is extremely irrelevant.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually we were talking about deviant behavior. so it does apply. Follow along SpecialBrownie..
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
If you read Dorn below, you will se you’re wrong.
Reading comprehension…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I read from the top of the page to the bottom… I didn’t realize I was to do it backwards here. Forgive my newness.
Don’t be an ass. M’kay
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Follow along SpecialBrownie..
Don’t be an ass. M’kay
Every Steeler fan I meet reinforces the fact that they’re all hypocrites.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There really is no point in talking to you any further. I’ve had some great, light-hearted ribbing with several fans here and none of them have been jackasses like you’re being now. So… have a great night, good luck the rest of the season and grow the hell up.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
You really need to quit being a hypocrite.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackass.
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No one I know, who is a fan of the Steelers (or a decent human being…forget about football) is in favor of a crime against women.
I dunno. You probably know this guy and if this guy is indicative of a typical male steelers fan…I think most women would consider that a crime..
now beat it.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 18, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
@1BlkGldFan
How can you argue with my last comment???
Now, if I were in your shoes, I don’t know how I would act. Would I cheer? Maybe. Would I feel proud of it? I don’t know…
I don’t think I was deriding any fanbase – most fans would do the same. I’m just surprised I did not hear or see anything negative in the stands. Pretty simple.
The point is that you (as a Steelers fan) must feel a little bit of shame to be cheering for him. I wonder the same thing about Ravens fans and Rey Lewis.
As Cleveland fans, we haven’t had the opportunity to face this choice. (Cheering for gun-toting Rogers??? Not really close, but I’m not happy with it). Maybe I would not feel any shame, but I don’t think I would be very proud of having Ben lead my team.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
He represents your organization. If you’re ok with his actions representing your organization, regardless of him being charged or convicted, then cheer for him. Some people don’t agree with his behavior, and they aren’t all Browns fans.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Really? You can tell from television that 100% of fans in the stadium were cheering for him? If so, that’s quite impressive, because I have no idea how anyone could deduce that.
Also, you’re completely ignoring the fans that were protesting outside the stadium, and also the fans who didn’t go to the game or didn’t watch because they didn’t want to support Ben. I’m not sure exactly how many of those fans are out there, but you can’t just assume they don’t exist.
It’s entirely unfair and incorrect to generalize all Steelers fans with whatever you think you heard on TV. I just get tired of fans who act like their fans are better than every other team’s fans when in truth we’re all basically the same.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why yes, I can tell if I hear some boos on the television – and I did not hear any boos. If you can tell me that you clearly heard boos, then please let me know.
Yes, I’m clearly ignoring the fans protesting outside. Why didn’t they go to the game and voice their displeasure at Ben?
I’m not saying my fans are any better – where in the bloody hell did you get that impression with my comments???
Didn’t you f-ing read my other comment that the media feeds into it? They are f-ing glorifying the idiot!!!!!
You missed the entire point of my comment.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
I’m not sure what comment you’re talking about. This whole discussion started when I mentioned that many Browns fans would cheer a player coming back from suspension in a similar situation, which is why I made the comment that fans act like their fans are better than others, because some people here are criticizing Steelers fans for cheering Ben and acting like Browns fans wouldn’t do the same.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say the people outside the stadium didn’t want to pay money to support Ben’s employer. And I’m sure there were some fans who stayed silent because they don’t like Ben.
At any rate, why are you arguing with Brad? All he’s saying is that all fan bases would cheer Ben. If you don’t disagree with that, what are you debating?
"Have you ever thought about love????"
At any rate, why are you arguing with Brad? All he’s saying is that all fan bases would cheer Ben. If you don’t disagree with that, what are you debating?
Yes, this is what I’m wondering. By replying to me the way he was, it seemed as though he was disagreeing with my point, so I’m not sure why he came back with a comment where he sounded very upset that I assumed he was disagreeing with my point.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, my point is that just because you didn’t hear boos doesn’t mean they weren’t there. There could have been 10 % of the crowd booing and they would have been drowned out by the rest cheering, but that doesn’t mean we can say that the entire crowd was booing.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s really what I’m trying to convey. I am reading your comments that everyone is “generalizing” what the opposing fans are doing as a “generalization” of my point.
Would Browns fans cheer for Ben in the same situation? Sure. Would I be surprised? Probably not. Would I be disappointed? Probably, yes. To say that you wouldn’t feel a little bothered by it is being dishonest, or that you feel quite fine with Ben’s behavior. At least that is how I would think about it.
The closest I can come to imagine this scenario is cheering for Albert Belle (and I’m not really proud of it).
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Besides, bringing reason and balance into a post-game thread, especially a loss to the Steelers… I should be asking the same of you: why are you arguing??? That’s almost like fighting against your team in a bench-clearing brawl.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
You are completely missing what Chemo (and I) were saying. I never said you weren’t allowed to argue a certain point. We asked why are you arguing with me if you say now that you are agreeing with what I said. If you don’t disagree, then why were you arguing with me above?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 18, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There were fans that were outside the stadium with signs in opposition of Roethlisberger.
Most of those fans eventually went to the game.
I listened, and I did not hear a “raucus” ovation. I heard them cheering for him. But I did not hear everyone. I’ve been to that stadium, then watched the games DVR’d later. I know what the sound of that stadium going crazy sounds like.
For you to say “everyone” is extremely shortsighted and ignorant.
I personally have a big issue with what Roethlisberger did, and I had gone on record publicly saying I would not mind a trade that held equal value. I would have been ecstatic at the time over a Roethlisberger-to-Rams for their #1. Fair trade. We get a new #1 QB, Ben gets a lesson, we keep rolling. But I’m also about redemption. I’m as interested as the next guy as to how Roethlisberger responds.
And if you aren’t down with redemption for others, you can’t have it yourself, and if you are like every other person in this world, you’d be up a very brown creek without a paddle, brother.
I'll be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from May, 2011 to Sept., 2011, to raise money for charity. Please visit: http://thf2.wordpress.com for more info.
Also, it’s very easy now to say that you wouldn’t cheer for someone like him on your team, but much different when it actually happens.
I can give you a couple examples of players who I almost worshiped but who i stopped liking after certain incidents.
-Mark McGwire
-Michael Vick
I used to love these guys, but my opinion definitely changed when the incidents happened. does it not count because they were from my ‘hometown team’ in your mind? I rooted for these guys like I rooted for guys from cleveland.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
A female friend of mine has a 10 yr. old son that plays flag football for “The Steelers” and is a Pittspuke fan. She told me he threw the winning touchdown and ran in the two point conversion in yesterdays game. I told her “just make sure he realizes that rape is not a necessary part of the skills needed to play the position”. For some reason she got mad.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
She deserves every bit of it. One of the more obnoxious turncoat fans I’ve ever met. This is the person that said I should “give it up and buy a Steelers jersey already” and “join a winner”. Pathetic.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
No doubt, but I think you leave the 10 year old out of your feud. Especially when the jab being thrown is sexual in nature.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Don’t get me wrong – I never said anything in front of – or to – the kid. My jab didn’t even say anything about her kid either. I’m not a total creep.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I hate bitchy woman Steeler fans who no nothing of the game, only when the team wins. If they don’t, they don’t give a shit. If they win, holy shit, you’ll hear it for a week till thier next loss.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're pretty much a total ass.
I'll be hiking the Pacific Crest Trail from May, 2011 to Sept., 2011, to raise money for charity. Please visit: http://thf2.wordpress.com for more info.
Roger Dorn favorite Danario Alexander was finally activated for the Rams today after a long comeback from his second major knee operation and scored a TD for the Rams finishing with 4 catches for 72 yards and a TD. An undrafted free agent, I wish the Browns would have pursued him.
should we all pick him up on our fantasy teams? My league so deep and I started Danny Amendola today at my flex spot.
Jerome Harrison and Chainsaw Massaquoi haven’t been working too well for me.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just that kind of year for me.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Thanks! I typed it in my last post, but it disappeared lol
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
3 catches for 19 yards, which gives me a whole 1 point.
He also had a punt return for 42 yards.
I am down 6 points in fantasy and have Josh Scobee left. Here’s hoping he gets 7 points.
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a stud at Mizzou – how the heck did he go undrafted? Hurt the knee before the draft?
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Ha, I saw his stats today and thought of you. I remember you talking him up this offseason.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so NBC just showed a thing on all the head hits today.
They should MoMass, but not the worse one that was Cribbs.
Wtf?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
Cribbs’ hit was ok. Crap. forgot I wasn’t gunna talk about that anymore.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say that?
I said it was a montage thing on today’s head hits and they excluded his.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So was the hit on Shipley, but both were illegal.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I also saw some things going on in the piles today out of Polomalou that I didn’t like. As much as I hate the Steelers, I’ve always respected the hell out of that guy as a player – till today. I’ve never seen him puling on guys after the whistle and bending arms before. I never thought of him as dirty – guess I know differently now.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Looked like an INT then fumble to me…
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Really sucks I missed the game today guys. I heard Colt did well and from reading comments sounds like it was true. I really hope we continue to start him and let him learn by playing for the remainder of the season. If he can play this well in his first game, against the Steelers no less, then we may have something special finally at QB
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
I like how my color replacement tool made the hat come out suede orange. Playing in style.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
At least I’m not the only one who said that.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I came from the shitter and saw this. Very funny, bro.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Oct 17, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I still prefer just the stache.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I did the hat more justice than you though.
Man, we be some photoshop jeniuses.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a joke.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I did the hat more justice than you though.
Agreed. The hat choice is at the perfect angle.
The coloring though… ehhhh
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
See, I wanted the full orange, but the color replacement tool just went over the same material, it didn’t just make it the full orange. How would I go about doing that?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
First thing I’d try is CTRL+U (hue adjustment) then messing with the sliders just to see if that helps.
Then I’d make a new layer, fill with an oranger, then adjust the layer type and opacity. If all of that failed to get the results what I wanted (which happens often with re-colorings) than I’d give up on it.
Can you post a link of the original hat? I just want to give the color a try.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Ooooh, yeah uh black, especially a glossy black is re-coloring death. But I’ll give it a try for the heck of it.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
This is why it came out suede – like. But the angle and perspective on the hat was perfect so I dealt with it.
I’m running CS4, what are you on?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
CS2 on the laptop, CS5 on the desktop.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
gimp.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I liked gimp (and inkscape) more than I do. It’d make life much easier if I didn’t have to maintain a Windows partition.
I really wish someone would make a vector / raster program using a blender like interface. I absolutely love blender.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
One you have photoshop, and use it heavily, you just can’t go back.
It’s like a Bugatti Veyron, and everything else is like a Yugo GV.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Indeed. Love this software.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit once I could get photoshop for free from case, I never thought of going back.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 17, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, paying full price for it is nuts! The cost rivals that of a Bugatti Veyron.
Even pros get their employer to pay for it.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Thank you torrents ;]
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. Before I started in the freelance illustration biz, I spent years as a graphic designer. Always preferred Corel to Adobe. Photoshop was better than PhotoPaint, but not by much. Corel draw has always been leagues ahead of Illustrator though, and the difference between the two suites.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That having been said, the newer versions of the Adobe products are likely much better than Corel 9 (which is a decade old now), but my needs are so finely honed at this point that I really don’t have any use for any of the new features.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t spent a lot of time with vector based design. I prefer the pixel manipulation.
I’ve also never used Corel, so I can’t really comment on that.
Part of the reason I’ve actually decided not to go into the business is that it seems nowadays they expect so much more from the “graphic designer” position. Companies preferring to hire people that can do web design AND graphic design. And I can’t stand web design.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I would actually prefer vector because photoshop’s weakness is that the pixel’s can be exaggerated very easily with slight manipulation.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Zoom in.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I meant by slight manipulation as well. Also zooming out, which is stupid, you’d think it’d clean the image up more.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I can do a bit of graphic design, but I agree, web design is a bitch.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I do freelance graphic design. I used to know web design up until about 2006, which is like night and day to the current stuff. Like everything in the IT industry, it updates insanely vast.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
definitely. my friend experiments a little with web design and it seems to change all the time.
My sister has to do an NHD for her AP history class (national history day) and I tried to steer her away from designing a website because I know she is much less computer literate than me and she would die trying to create it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
There’s also very little money in it outside of major firms. There’s good designers and bad designers but most of the people needing designers wouldn’t know the difference. It’s really a ten dollar an hour occupation now.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. Considering the often level of difficulty, that’s just not worth it. Especially when you have a bitchy client, that wants only how they picture it in their head. I just didn’t want to deal with that.
I like enjoying the work I’m doing. Making it a job, that pays the bills, would make me loathe photoshop.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

Do I win? ;P
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 17, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of both of us, you are the better one but we are a pretty sick duo.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sick duo, indeed.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Do we need a nickname?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not good with names.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
The Digital Duo?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ambiguously Gay Duo?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
by Kimble_79 on Oct 18, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think I gotta add the hat to my avatar….Sheriff McCoy all the way
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems we have McCoy’s nickname now.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, Garcon worked for his.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Reggie Wayne hasn’t done anything yet. It’s been the Pierre Garcon / Austin Collie show.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I started Wayne over Garcon.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
As You should every week.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Colt played well today. Saw him split the pocket a bit early a couple times at most, but hell, what rookie QB thrown into the fire wouldn’t
Haven’t read any of the comments here yet but I would have to think that Cleveland has to give Colt the next start. Is that the popular opinion?
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
I think the popular opinion is beginning to turn into the rest of the season.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Will be an interesting rematch later this year. Didn’t think Cleve played poorly. Steelers run got going early and then the triple re-punt bit them in the ass later and suddenly it was catch up. Pieces beginning to arrive. Stupid Holmgren.
"Successful destination is the pinnacle, make no mistake, but the fun is in the journey." - Tim Gleason
by chewiesteeler on Oct 17, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Special Teams was a huge relief. Hodges is outplaying himself. And yes, while we still aren’t in winning mode, we have a base and we have pieces. We aren’t duct taped together like years past.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I love winning, I’d prefer this actual progress over fool’s gold circa 2007 and missing the playoffs anyway.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
As much as I love winning, I’d prefer this actual progress over fool’s gold circa 2007 and missing the playoffs anyway.
But see, the problem is, is that the causal fan doesn’t and can’t understand this. Good thing we know Holmgren does and hopefully he doesn’t try to rip the foundation out after the season. We’re actually competitive, not sucking.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheriff McCoy laughs at your pessimism.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
let’s get control of ourselves here; McCoy may be a damn strong Deputy, but I think we all know who the Sheriff is around these parts…
Woah, Thomas is the all knowing one.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas is McCoy’s strongman.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw this stretch when the schedule came out, and was dreading it. That said, I think we could steal one of those.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It’s 9:59 PM on October 17, 2010 and Braylon is still a douchebag.
Also, Michigan still sucks.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 17, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll be at the Jets game, so hopefully I can bring us a win like I did for the Bengals.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“Un – impeded, Un invaded… take your pick!”
HAR HAR.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Um, that’s “unabated” there, Al.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Damn illegal aliens.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone has touched on it yet, but was I the only person who didn’t understand why we kept making the Steelers punt over and over again? I understand that we were hoping for better field position, but this is the NFL and almost every decent punter has no issue dropping it inside the 10. Tack on the 5 yards and start the drive from the 14 or so.
The fact that Stuckey looked like he was catching a live grenade just made it even more questionable in my mind.
At the time, I thought the punter would eventually boot one worse than the one before. With Stuckey back there though, you’ve got a fair point.
Why did we decline the penalty and not make them punt it again before half?
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought it was a disaster waiting to happen.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
“I thought Cribbs was asleep,” said Harrison, the 2008 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. “A hit like that geeks you up — it geeks everybody up — especially when you find out that the guy is not really hurt — he’s just sleeping. He’s knocked out, but he’s going to be OK. The other guy, I didn’t hit that hard, to be honest with you. When you get a guy on the ground, it’s a perfect tackle.”
“[Harrison’s] a beast,” said Steelers receiver Hines Ward. "You see a guy like that — knocking guys out like that — he’s a man on a mission.
Helmet-to-helmet is a good hit?
“It doesn’t matter what it is — he’s running the ball, so that’s a legal hit.”
“That ends the wildcat,” said Harrison. "It’s out the window. That’s his thing.
On the Massaquoi hit, Harrison launched and smashed his forearms into Massaquoi’s head after he dropped a short pass to the left. Massaquoi slumped to the ground, holding his hands up to his helmet. He experienced memory loss and neck pain, a source told The Plain Dealer.
“If I get fined for that, it’s going to be a travesty,” Harrison said. “There’s no way I could be fined for that. It was a good, clean, legit hit. He came across, I put my head across the bow. I could have put a lot more into that hit than I did.”
What an asshole.
If there is such a thing as karma, there is a bus with his name on it.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow, harrison wins the d-bag of the week award
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This better add to the fines he’ll receive.
If Goodell doesn’t do something extremely harsh, I’ll throw something out my f-ing window.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing. If Goodell doesn’t levy a fine, I’m starting a bounty on Harrison for the next game.
These players just don’t get it. And any Steelers fans who don’t get upset at Harrison are just pissing on Mike Webster’s grave.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Harrison will not finish his next game against the Browns. His knees are going to be a sought after prize.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 17, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Classless. But not surprised.
Fine him for both.
by Western Reserve on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I won’t be happy with anything short of a suspension now.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s one thing to hate the hit, but seriously, show me a player who comes out and says, “Man I should be fined for those hits. I knew the first was dirty as soon as it landed, but yet I did it again.”
Seriously. If he thought his first hit was out of line would he have done it a second time? Let’s ask Ronny Lott how many of his hits he thinks were dirty. If they do it, they aren’t going to think it makes them a bad person. Taking people out of the game is something most football players aren’t going to lose sleep over, and if you find a Defensive player that wouldn’t take knocking a player out of a single game they aren’t long for the league.
The hit on Cribbs was not clean and Harrison should have been flagged for both. He should be fined for the first. I in no way expect him to agree with that. I don’t expect that if Ward had knocked Ward out he would be criticizing himself, seriously. IF you hit hard you aren’t doing it to be friendly. The sentiment that if he isn’t going to be really hurt then it was good, that’s how they think. You don’t want to ruin the other guys season or career, you just want to knock him out of the game. That’s the mindset you have to have to throw your whole body at another human being as hard as you can.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
Said defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau: “They were hard plays, both guys were running hard. We’re thrilled that both players walked off the field, that’s the good thing. I’m sure [the league will] look at it.”Is the best take on it in that article. Dick LeBeau has a different view then the young guys, and honestly, we’ll see what the league’s message is this week for helmet to helmet and the defenseless receiver rules.
Really though if you are looking for consistency from the league office, maybe you haven’t been paying attention. Those hits are getting attention, so it will be interesting what message the league chooses to send.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 18, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish people would forget about this defenseless crap. Defenseless or not doesn’t matter when there is helmet to helmet, h2h is illegal.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
My big problem with Harrison on MoMass was that Harrison completely left his feet to hit MoMass.
If that isn’t “launching” yourself, I have no idea what is.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
TRADE for Vincent Jackson!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Eric Wright for Vincent Jackson!!!!!!!!!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I’m saying we NEED to do it, haha, not that we have.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I’m not so sure you could get Bobby Bouschet for Eric Wright right now….
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
You mean Bobby Boucher? I’d kill to have a guy who hits like that on our team.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re drinkin the wrong watta.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But he spit in the coo-coo-coo-coo-cooluh.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought of him while I made this comment too.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Please. AJ Smith will want Haden, Mack, Thomas and a conditional second rounder.
NOTHING LESS!
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
earlier someone suggested that they trade for lee evans. he might be able to be acquired cheaply since the bills seem to be in wholesale mode. maybe shaun rogers for lee evans?
Jake is my hommeboy
Did Rogers even play today?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Yep – I think I saw him put a pretty good lic on Rapistburger at least once – after a throw
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Yep. Look at the picture at the top of the thread. That is the only reason I know.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 17, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
SHERIFF McCOY!

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Burn this one. It’ll be used against us.
Funny though.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I think it looks tough.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Perception is different to everyone.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Only because of the ’stache, but Simmsinns made that a staple, so I had to include it.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 19, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If this one wasn’t used against us, I doubt that one will.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank god it wasn’t found out.
Do you like my Sheriff McCoy?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, though he looks like he’d be at home at the Blue Oyster.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m 19, I need help with that joke.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
its from Police Academy…if I remember right it was a gay bar
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Oct 17, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Police Academy
The Blue Oyster Club was a gay bar Mahoney and the rest of the fellas tricked the other guys into going there.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
by Steel Spike on Oct 17, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
Weak Golan.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was funny.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But he’d have to be wearing buttless chaps to belong at the Blue Oyster.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt anyone walks in there strapped with a bullet sleeve and six shooter.
You don’t diss the Sheriff.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, to help everyone out, but weak, I meant “ouch, good one”.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn kids and their music.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Get off my lawn!
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I should get a pass on this one, as many times as I’ve seen Tosh.0 (or whatever the hell it is) referenced.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually had Winslow on the show once.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I should’ve put a laso on his hip! Damn!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wayne and Clack would screw me on that last drive. Now all they’re going to do is run it.
I’m literally going to lose by a catch. I’m down three points and his team is done.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 17, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
It seems I spoke too soon when I said in the game thread that the Steelers trolls would finally vacate from our blog. I should have known that trolls have no class and would revel in kicking us while we are down.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT reply actions
The trolls should be perma-banned by at least the third comment.
This is week is a prime example of how it can get out of hand otherwise.
I’m not sure if you in the game thread, over there we had a guy admit he was trolling us, than bragging about it over at BTSC.
They have no place here. Also, we don’t have a problem with any other fan base at all. This is a Steeler fan / BTSC troll issue.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
That guy has been banned. I have warned multiple people. I don’t feel comfortable banning someone after one or two comments. If I warn them, and it continues, then a ban is warranted.
All this being said, maybe I should have dropped the hammer on some of them earlier.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 18, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who got banned?
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
I’m assuming he is talking about Klompus or whatever his name was.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
I wasn’t, but I had to ban him as well.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally! But I just saw him comment above…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I see it as a great personal accomplishment that I didn’t been banned, as I’ve really been doing my best to curtail my troll-ish behavior since last year.
I actually had a lot of fun over here this past week. :)
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
You atleast gave good thoughts and opinions on subjects and didn’t only write things to annoy people like some. I saw a few, but not nearly as many as some others.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
Like I said, doing my best. It doesn’t mean it stopped altogether. Besides, I’m entitled to defend myself/team/blog mates if I see fit.
However, I did get a warning, but it was for a subject unrelated to the Browns, or you guys here on DBN.
I’m actually looking forward to the next Browns/Steelers game, now. I really did have a lot of fun over here, and can’t wait for it next time.
:)
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
you weren’t too bad.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Hehe. Thanks. Coming from you, that’s a pretty good compliment.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
no problem. I think you were the steelers fan too that got irrationally labeled as a troll and I think I defended you. maybe it was someone else but the profile pic looks similar.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah. That was me. A couple of you came to my defense. I was pleasantly surprised.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
by Steel Spike on Oct 19, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
More like a fumigation.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Our defensive backs are getting picked apart, every damn week.They can’t cover( one on one) at all, none off them,they might hit hard, but they couldn’t cover my Grandmother.
GO BROWNS
I disagree. I’m fairly hog certain they could cover your grandmother.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 18, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somehow I knew Grandma-ma was gonna come into this somewhere.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess im to much of a homer, but there is no way the hit by harrison on Cribbs was not a deliberate attempt to put him out of the game. When watching the replay you can see harrison drop his head and lead with the top of his helmet directly into Cribbs head. And of course there will be no fine as the rooney family is to tight with NFL leadership. harrison should have been ejected after this hit.
The “Cribbs put his helmet in the way” argument is weak too, Cribbs was moving forward, if Cribbs put his helmet in the way that would mean that Harrison was trying to tackle the air in front of Cribbs.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone’s head is in the middle of their shoulders. Usually. Sometimes I have a feeling it is somewhere at the other end of the body, unable to be seen. But that’s another issue.
If he is leading with his right shoulder, as he was, into cribbs chest, which is legal, and Cribbs curls up in a protective posture, which he did, and that attempt at a protective posture lowers his head, which it did, there is no way humanly possible for any defensive player past or present to have ever been able to adjust.
If you’ve ever played the game, you know this. Even if you never played the game, you know this.
Hit on Cribbs was legal, hit on MoMass was not. Simple as that.
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so you are inducing by the way cribbs curls up that it was not a helmet to helmet hit and he didn’t lead with the helmet?
Actually, if you watch the replay, he does NOT curl up into a protective posture. he is lying, spread eagle, on the ground. Its also pretty clear in replays it was a helmet to helmet hit.
Also interestingly enough, cribbs was like 1/4 second away from being down anyways. If james harrison was a tick slower, cribbs’ knee would have already been down and thats a late hit. Cribbs was already in the process of going down because of timmons.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The Cribbs hit was completely legal, therefore irrelevant to any argument.
The MoMass hit was led with his arms.
Oh…nevermind.
Hey, Tool Kosar, why am I not banned yet? Hurry your ass up. Thanks.
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Your entire summary of the Cribbs hit is incorrect, watch the replay, I have a lot.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 19, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How many acres?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I see what you did there.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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