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Hello Browns fans. As you may know, this week our two teams will face off in a NFC-AFC matchup. Great news is, since the NFC team hosts, it will be on CBS and not Fox. Hooray for no Joe Buck! Now, you probably have some questions about the Saints so go ahead and ask away. I will try and get the ball rolling with a few questions of my own so let's hope for a good football game this Sunday.

**As an aside, please rec this post to keep it up till game day. After that feel free to un-rec the post if you so desire.**

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  • What do you think the Brown's final record will be this year? Will you guys have another end of the year comeback?
  • What is the part of the team you are least worried about? (O-line, D-line, etc.)
  • Part you are most worried about?
  • How safe is Mangini's job? Or is he a walking corpse?
  • Since I followed McCoy while he was at UT and watched him win so many games for them, I have a few questions on him alone. Do you feel confident in him as a potential starter? Do you advocate him finishing off the year once your QB injuries subside or would you rather someone else while McCoy rides the bench? 

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Be careful what you wish for. Because it’s the Browns we’ll probably get Kevin Harlan and Solomon Wilcots again.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Ouch. We did. I’m sorry, guys, but you Saints fans will be down on your knees begging God to bring back Joe Buck and promising never to stray from the straight and narrow again after you experience the mind-numbing cringe-inducing awfulness that is Kevin Harlan and Solomon Wilcots.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Oct 21, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

idk

Joe Buck is, and will always be, horrible.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 21, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy Aikmen makes Buck a lot more than what he should be.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have not been Solomon Wilcotsed. I’m sorry that I cannot adequately prepare you for the pain.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Oct 21, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

No matter the sport, Buck is horrible. His show on HBO was funny though.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Artie Lange FTW!

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Oct 21, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to create puppet accounts to make this green.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 21, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

But seriously, I think the Browns will be lucky if they get 6 wins this year, though they will continue to be competitive in every game. They just don’t have the talent.

Least worried? The left side of the offensive line.

Most worried? Drew Brees is going to pick apart the secondary not only because the secondary is bad but because he will likely not be feeling a lot of pressure.

There is a lot of debate as to how safe Mangini’s job is, but most of us here seem to think that if the team stays competitive in games that he’ll keep his job.

There may be more confidence in McCoy than any of our other options right now, but that’s pretty much damning with faint praise when you consider that our other options are washed-up interception machine Jake Delhomme and perennial backup Seneca Wallace. I think that most of were intrigued enough with McCoy’s promise based on his performance against the Steelers that we’d like to see more. As for starting the rest of the year, I think the board here is split on whether he should start the rest of the year in place of the veterans. Many are willing to defer to whatever Holmgren decides based on his track record of developing QBs.

As for the Saints, are they playing down to the level of their opponents this year or what? Shouldn’t they be performing at a much higher level than we’ve seen? Super Bowl hangover? Injuries? How much do they miss Reggie Bush?

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

Yes the Saints have been playing at their worst lately. Our problems have been at O-line and kicker, which is surprising considering last year the O-line was the success of so much. Superbowl hangover would be one answer, another seems to be Brees isn’t on his game. Something didn’t seem right with him till the Bucs game. Maybe it was the new kid on the way (safely out into the new world as of a few hours ago btw), if thats the case, it is at least temporary and fixable. Injuries suck and so far our entire starting secondary might be out this week. It depends, Ivory and Betts have done well in subbing for him and PT so it hasn’t been that bad. However, the threat of that mismatch is gone and Brees and Payton still miss it.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a mental picture of Drew behind his wife with both hands waiting for delivery.

by elsandito on Oct 21, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think somewhere around 6 wins, with the possibility of 7 or even 8, but also with the possibility of 5.

I am least worried about the offensive line, even the right side, which I think a lot of people here are too harsh on.

I am most worried about QB, and will be until we see someone play the position consistently well. If you don’t have good QB play, you’re sunk.

I would think Mangini is pretty safe. His OC may not be, but I think Mangini is. Unless the team quits on him, I think it would be hard for Holmgren to take an objective look at the situation and say he deserves to get fired.

I feel much more comfortable with him now than I did a week ago. That said, how he does this week will probably determine whether or not he plays after the bye. If McCoy has another solid game, I want him back out there for the rest of the year. If he looks like the raw prospect we thought he was, I want him back on the bench.

Now for my question. The Saints went through as much losing as any franchise, so you are able to understand our position as browns fans. how amazing does it feel to finally have a super bowl trophy?

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha to finally have a superbowl win is awesome

And yes we have been bottom dwellers for so long it felt normal but Sean Payton and Drew Brees turned that around and did it pretty quickly-nfc championship game their 1st year and super bowl win their 4th year
Now the only problem is we have higher expectations and it seems to hit hard nwhen we dont meet them
The good news is your team can turn it around with the right coach/QB combo like we did

World Champions at last

by mississippisaintsfan on Oct 20, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s my answers to your questions (I will keep them short but can elaborate):
 
- 6-10 & I’d like to think so

- Punting squad (Hodges & Co have been amazing) / O-Line (Joe Thomas) / Running game (Peyton Hillis is a monster provided he stays healthy)

- Secondary (Eric Wright looks like Ray Charles in coverage, Shelden Brown likes to fall down)

- I’d like to say pretty safe, but who knows (he has been given Limes and asked to make lemonade)

- Yes. I am on the “play Colt” bandwagon (Seneca would be ok though, but Jake just makes me hurl)

Some (possibly silly) questions for you:
-Any chance we win this game?
-Given our secondary woes, do you see Brees throwing us out of the stadium?
-Would it be crazy to say Hillis runs for 100+ against your D?
-Do you miss Scott Fujita? I know we are happy to have him.
-How are former Buckeyes Will Smith and Malcolm Jenkins doing?

There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy

by da36chamberz on Oct 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

-Any chance we win this game?

Any given Sunday…

-Given our secondary woes, do you see Brees throwing us out of the stadium?

I would like that to happen, but you never know.
-Would it be crazy to say Hillis runs for 100+ against your D?

I wouldn’t be surprised, Hillis is good, and that has be a traditional weakness under Payton. However, this year the Saints D is actually getting stops instead of turnovers so he might be less of a factor than usual.
Fujita was good, not great. Right now considering our LBs are all good not great he would probably just be another one we complain about.
Will smith has been having an off season after starting out great. Malcolm is doing so well at FS that Sharper may not even get his starting FS job back, which is amazing considering how well Sharper played last year.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

love the

ray charles comment could not have said it better myself

by SipedUp on Oct 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

- It’s hard to say. I’m not sure I can say with confidence that we will win X amount of games, because we are at somewhat of an awkward position: We have just enough talent that we can win a good number of games, but we have little enough talent that we won’t win many games unless we play mistake-free football. So realistically… I’d put us at probably 5 or 6 wins.
 
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Our most complete units are our ST unit and our O-Line. Out of the two, I think ST will give opposing teams the most trouble in gameplanning.

— Secondary. Hands down. Haden shows some promise, but he is a rookie and still makes rookie mistakes. Same with TJ Ward. Abe Elam doesn’t show up much on the stat sheet. Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown have both been burned for a pretty surprising amount of touchdowns.

— I’d say pretty safe. I think it’s clear that he has succesfully changed the culture of the locker room, and it’s starting to show on the field. We haven’t won more than 1 game yet, but we’ve been competitive in every single game we’ve played and we haven’t been giving up on games. I think Heckert and Holmgren realize that Mangini has the ship headed in the right direction. Now it’s just a matter of getting him more talent to work with.

— I’m pretty confident in McCoy right now. It’s only been 1 game, but he looked REALLY good in that game (against the best defense in the league). At this point, I don’t really see any advantage to benching him once the other guys get back. Obviously this week will reveal a little more about him and what we should expect. I know it’s only 1 game, but the possibilities have me foaming at the mouth. I’d like to say that normally I’m pretty realistic and would know better than to get excited about a rookie after 1 start… But I keep telling myself he did what he did against THE STEELERS. Basically… I want him to be the QB of the future real bad.

by shep615 on Oct 20, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh shoot. That first answer was not supposed to be striked.

by shep615 on Oct 20, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

1.) 7 wins
2.) O-Line
3.) WRs. Not only do we lack talent, but with injuries, we now lack depth. And even though we are relatively young, I see an stark lack of promise for the future with these guys.
4.) I’d say 40% chance of being the coach still in March
5.) I didn’t want him to play, but whatever Holmgren thinks is best for his development- this is the only factor that should matter.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 20, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

1. 6-10
2. O-line. Mack and Thomas are legit. We could still use a young RT.
3. Quarterback. If you don’t have one, you need one. McCoy did some good things, but it was one game. Until QB is finalized, that’s always the biggest concern (jealous). Linebackers and WRs are a close 2nd and 3rd.
4. I am not sure. Holmgren seemed to genuinely want him when he was talking about it. I think they all know we aren’t very talented. I don’t think he can survive a 1-15 season. He will also have to keep becoming more likeable, and he will have to merge his (Belichick’s) philosophies with Holmgren’s (Walsh’s).
5. Not comfortable with him as the future yet. Impressed by his one game. Like his “it” factor. I want to do whatever the coaches and FO think will maximize his chances of being good down the road. If that means playing him, great. If that means sitting him, fine.

How does it feel to have Drew Brees?
What is up with you guys this year?
How do you feel about your defense? Enjoy the blitzing? Does it work well with your O? (Obviously it worked well enough last year)
Do you ever read Brophy’s blog?
Knowing what I do about your offensive scheme, I am positive you guys miss Reggie Bush from an Xs and Os standpoint. Do you see this same thing from more of a general standpoint?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 20, 2010 4:17 AM EDT reply actions  

-Brees
Freakin badass.
-What is up with you guys?
Hangover, last week we had a bloody mary and I hope we take another one this weekend.
-Defense has been phenomenal, even more amazing when you realize Tracy Porter is out, Randal Gay (Nickel) is out, Jabari Greer may be out, Sharper has been out, and even Harper has been out. Our entire secondary sans MJ has been out at least one game. And they are still getting stops. Chalk that up to Greg Williams.
-I don’t.
-From a general standpoint, if you mean stats then no. We have other receivers that can get the same numbers. However, the Xs and Os are the main reason we keep him and him being out is a problem with the mismatches gone.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is Jenkins doing for you guys?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn good.

Lol, that is the question everyone wants answered it seems.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he was a high pick recently. we have gotten questions about Mack on here at times.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 20, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am an OSU alum.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 20, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand,

I was just commenting that it was funny to get more questions about how is Jenkins compared to questions about the Saints.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we mostly know a good amount about the Saints. We did get to watch you guys for a bunch of games in the post-season, and you are good so you are on national TV a lot. At least that’s the case for me.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 22, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to differ with my fellow WhoDat here regarding Reggie

Jon, I realize you said it was a problem…but you didn’t say it was a major problem, which I’m convinced it is. Losing Reggie was a HUGE blow, especially to our red zone offense. Reggie Bush has maybe the best nose for the end zone in the entire NFL, and not having him available when we get inside the 20 has hurt us enormously. I’d go so far as to say we’d be undefeated now if Bush hadn’t been hurt.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Oct 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a lot of respect for the way Payton uses him. Despite the fact that he doesn’t put up monster stats, I am of the opinion that he does a lot for your offense.

Is he out for the year? What happened?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 20, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Broken Fibula

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read he was supposed to be back by week 7 or 8. what are the chances he comes back for the browns game?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 20, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

More likely Bush will be back for Pittsburgh.

"I understand this is a violent game. It's the only place you can hit somebody and not go to jail. So you understand that it's a privilege to play this game." Danny Clarke

by cscmember on Oct 21, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what I was hearing…but I had read it was possible he is back for week 7.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Little to none.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm not sure about being undefeated.

But I do know that things click better with Bush than without him.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom ^^^

"I understand this is a violent game. It's the only place you can hit somebody and not go to jail. So you understand that it's a privilege to play this game." Danny Clarke

by cscmember on Oct 21, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bush would have been good for 2 or 3 more TDs in the red zone. Which means first, that we don’t rely on the kicking game; and second, that the flow of the game is changed and we don’t commit mistakes against Arizona by trying too hard to catch up.

Or not. It’s all speculative.

It was worth the wait.

by MtnExile on Oct 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fujita agrees.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Final record will be 5 and 11. we have 3 games left on the schedule, that i think will be wins. I also think we will pull out another win somewhere. To answer ur other question, no 5 game win streak at the end of the season this year.
2. Special teams. The left side of our line is very good, the right side not so much. im also confident at the running game, when healthy. vickers, hillis, and the wildcat threat cribbs make it above average.
3. WR and CB. WR is horrendous, we are in need of a playmaking wr. CB looks good on paper, but eric wright is having an awful season. i expect after the bye week for joe haden to take control of CB2 position.
4. Unless the lose out or just look pathetic, i expect him back next year. We are a very untalented team, but have been very competitive. Rob Ryan is doing great things with our defense and that would be hard to lose. DaBoll, our o cord, i expect to see gone. Mangini and ryan i expect for another year.
5. McCoy will ride the bench. I’m pro seneca wallace. He runs the offense smoothly and makes good decisions. His play action against the falcons was amazing, and then he got hurt. I say give wallace his shot, i believe he has earned it.

by browns8 on Oct 20, 2010 4:55 AM EDT reply actions  

The only question for you i have is: Does your team miss scott fujita at all, or is there not a noticeable difference?

by browns8 on Oct 20, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, Our LBs were our weakest unit last year and are still our weakest unit this year, we are adjusting perfectly.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

pretty darn good. He is stopping the run well and making a lot of good tackles, especially behind the LOS. he also has 2.5 sacks (and seems to get them at big times), 2 forced fumbles, and a punt block. He has been making impact plays every game.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 20, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a field goal block…

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

…yeah, thats what I meant. I was thinking that but wrote punt.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s slower than ideal but he’s brought intelligence, toughness, and he’s actually made a decent amount of impact plays.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 20, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

def working well in rob’s defense. take a look at fan shots and see the talk about haynesworth….

by browns8 on Oct 21, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Fujita?

I only know VEGETA! And when he goes super sayian, he rocks.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

otherwise he’s just kind of an ass.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who gets extremely jealous of other people’s power levels.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope that Momass and Cribbs get stronger when almost killed too.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 21, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s over 9000!!!

by StuckInPa on Oct 22, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts on your questions go like this…

1) 7-9 I think we get a win streak going for a few games soon
2) O-line (we could use a RT, but i’m more comfortable with this part of our team than any other)
3) Our secondary (Brees may quite possibly have a career day if our secondary keeps giving up deep balls)
4) I think his job is pretty safe. Despite our record we are much better and we have been in just about every game til the end.
5) McCoy is kind of a question mark. He played as well as anybody could ever ask him to play against the Steeler’s stingy D. That said, he should some outstanding promise that possibly we found our QB. Its still early though and we will have to see him play more before we are convinced with him. Many of us are in favor of continuing to start McCoy, even after the other QB’s are healthy, if he continues to show growth and promise in the next few games.

I would actually ask you the same 1-3 questions that you asked.

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Oct 20, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Question 1- Somewhere between 9 and 12 wins, depends on Secondary injuries and if Brees got his head back on straight.
Question 2- QB, non QB strength would be O-line usually. Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans are great, even if they have been playing a little sluggish lately (penalties being the main problem).
Question 3- Special Teams, mostly coverage of kickoffs, or pass rush.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

 * What do you think the Brown’s final record will be this year? Will you guys have another end of the year comeback?
I predicted 7-9 to start the season, but I think it’ll be 6-10.

  • What is the part of the team you are least worried about? (O-line, D-line, etc.)
    Special teams, left side of the o-line
  • Part you are most worried about?
    Our secondary, pass rush (or lack thereof), and WRs
  • How safe is Mangini’s job? Or is he a walking corpse?
    This is tough to say. I wouldn’t mind keeping Mangini around for next season, but I don’t know if another 6-10 season is going to be a strong case for him. It’ll be what Holmgren feels is best, and I won’t be surprised either way.

 * Since I followed McCoy while he was at UT and watched him win so many games for them, I have a few questions on him alone. Do you feel confident in him as a potential starter? Do you advocate him finishing off the year once your QB injuries subside or would you rather someone else while McCoy rides the bench?
I’m a huge Colt McCoy fan. I think he could end up being our QBOTF, and I hope this is the case because we desperately need one. When you look at his stat line for the game, 2 inteceptions and 1 TD in “garbage time” doesn’t seem that impressive. But he wasn’t tentative at all and was taking shots down the field. Also, 281 yards against the Steelers’ D is pretty damn good. If he continues to play like this, I say keep him starting. Delhomme and Wallace are stop-gaps, not part of this team’s future.

by emily522 on Oct 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry for the crappy format.

by emily522 on Oct 20, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here are mine:

1. How has Malcolm Jenkins looked?
2. What can we expect Lance Moore? (fantasy question)
3. Is Ivory for real?

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

1. Damn fine. In fact he will probably get the nod over Sharper.
2. You may as well ask me what will the weather be on January 28th 2452 at 4:52 AM. Brees picks one receiver all day and that receiver is the benefactor, last week it was Meachem and Colston.
3. He has massive potential, but last week was against the Tampa Run D which is horrendous. Plus he has fumbled 3 or 4 times in 3 or 4 games.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

2. You may as well ask me what will the weather be on January 28th 2452 at 4:52 AM. Brees picks one receiver all day and that receiver is the benefactor, last week it was Meachem and Colston.

Having just picked up Meachem, this is the last thing I wanted to hear.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had Meachem and the days I start him he does crap and of course, he does the opposite when I bench him.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may regret it, but I took a chance and grabbed McCoy this week of FA. Bradford is serviceable while Vick gets healthy, but I may start McCoy this week. Especially if as jon says, NO starting secondary may be out against us.

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Oct 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact our nickle DB was just placed on IR.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

as someone who has Colston on his fantasy team, I’d like to argue that he wasn’t the benefactor of anything last week.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 20, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a few key catches, but was not the main one.

That is usually his standard MO.

Week 7 matchup: Browns
Week 7 motto: Keep it rolling, keep it moving, don't stop till the whistle blows.

by Jon Banks on Oct 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

theres no way we will win

8 games this year. I think were 3-13 and we bring in a proven coach or holmgren steps in and does it himself. Ill bet hes chomping at the bit…so what if we fire mangini…the hay is in the barn! Our strong points are def half of our o line. I think TJ and Joe Haden have proved to be greaT PICKS FROM THE DRAFT ALREADY. iN 3 yrs or so we will have one of the best secondaries in the league. Peyton is a monster and his will to play exceeds only his pain threshold…he will play healthy or not. We have no receivers…not 1 decent receiver. Imagine what it would be like if we had a threat downfield…how much would it open up everything else?? our staff must know this??? I like our LB core but we need more pressure on the QB….Sheldon and eric wright have both been torched several times. I think we will upset eother the saints, pats or jets. Look for something special against the pats or jets especially.

by SipedUp on Oct 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

so what if we fire mangini…the hay is in the barn!

My concern, or counter to this, is that it matters quite a bit. If you bring in a new coach (even Holmgren) your talking about a whole new philosophy of offense/defense. This would immediately set us back quite a bit. I’m not sure getting rid of Mangini solves anything. I think he is proving his worth as a coach due to the team playing much better ball this year. I would like to conntinue to see those stats of ’09 Browns vs ’10 Browns. The improvements are there plain as day. I just think getting rid of Eric after this season would be a mistake to me. IMO

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by Kimble_79 on Oct 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think with another offseason of H&H we will be in the hunt for the playoffs, but only if we have continuity at the head coaching position.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Oct 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

who do you guys think we lose to free agency this year? We had the big 5 restricted free agent problem this year (roth, harrison, jackson, elam, and vickers). Harrison is already gone and i have a feeling jackson won’t be back next year. I do believe roth and vickers will. If mangini is coach next year, then elam should be back. other note worthy unrestricted FA are: QB wallace, WR stuckey, OL pork chop, DL robaire smith, LB gocong, and CB wright. the only restricted FA is: LB benard.

by browns8 on Oct 21, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say most of the UFAs are back, except Wright and maybe Smith, though if Smith is gone it will be because of injury. I can’t see us letting Benard go, and I have to believe Roth and Vickers will be back too.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I think out of those left, we lose Wright and Jackson. I believe the others will be back.

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Oct 22, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If mangini is coach next year, then elam should be back.

One has nothing to do with the other.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

mangini signed an offer sheet for elam, but the jets matched it. Then in the crazy 09 draft mangini traded for him. I don’t see him releasing elam.

by browns8 on Oct 21, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mangini has no control over the roster. If Elam is retained, he’ll be retained by Heckert. If Elam is released, he’ll be released by Heckert.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 21, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Heckert has final decision. Do you think mangini gets no input? All i was saying is , If mangini is coach next year, “elam should be back!”.

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

You are getting Mangini of 09 confused with Mangini of 10.

Mangini was the GM in 09, he’s not anymore. He has no control and only limited input. And by limited, I mean non existent.

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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 22, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has some input, a GM that doesn’t communicate with his coach is a failure.

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by North Coast Flea on Oct 22, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

See Savage and Crennel

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 22, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Heckert does rely on the coaching staff to workout players prior to the draft. Input comes from all sources. Heckert takes it all in and makes the call.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 23, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually george kokinis was gm lol. he was gm until the beginning of nov. 09. Yes, i know he had more input last year… Do you really think the gm and president won’t listen to the head coach? Heckert has final say, i understand…

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

…but how much of the decision making was done by kokinis and how much was done by mangini? the point isn’t that kokinis had the title, but that mangini had significant control over personnel decisions.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 22, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

no. no matter who is the coach, I would not want elam back. The only reason I would see keeping elam is he is the best, cheapest option out there as a backup…

but personally I would rather have Assante who I believe can be just as good next year.

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by bross09 on Oct 22, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

the contradiction is amazing. You question me on how much control GK had last year, and you come back with heckert has total control this year? Asante is not on the 53 man roster for a reason… To further debate you, that would have to be heckert’s decision… i don’t get what ur saying…

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

you are ridiculous.

and you come back with heckert has total control this year?

I NEVER said anything like that. In fact, I have NOT mentioned heckert. You want to here how I think things are running? Heckert as doing more of the finding guys, holmgren as being the big picture guy, and mangini comfirming the player will be a good fit on the roster and in his system. No one decision I think is being made without consent of all 3.

Asante is not on the 53 man roster for a reason

…because he is a rookie and you can only have so many guys on the 53 man? I dunno if elam is that much better than what we saw from Asante. Elam inherently got the nod because of his seniority, but he is only around for another season.

To further debate you, that would have to be heckert’s decision

I dunno. Like I said, no one person is making all the decisions. However, I would venture to guess that the final roster cuts are a decision that the coach (mangini) may have more say in. I really don’t know heckert’s position on Elam/Asante.

You don’t get what I am saying? I am saying Elam is not that good. I am saying that there may be better, cheaper options out there than resigning elam and I gave Asante as a possibility.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 22, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with your last paragraph and that whole story… Our stories coincide lol, i don’t know why we are argueing… elam didnt get his nod because of senority, but rather mangini… I havent seen anything from larry asante, at the pro level, to judge him.. I never formed an opinion that it was good or bad to keep elam… The point was he is a mangini guy… same reason we claimed ratliff off waivers, instead of a better qb. that alone tells me mangini has more control than what you think…

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

we are arguing because you completely misconstrued my point and put words into my mouth…

but at least we agree on the premise.

I do believe that mangini being here helped him to get the nod. however if mangini wasn’t coach in that situation, I still believe elam gets the nod.

Yeah, he is a “mangini guy” but I really don’t think this FO is going to be going out of its way to keep mangini guys when there are other options out there.

I don’t think ratliff is a good example because there were not a lot of QBs available…and then you consider that especially with QBs its important to have playbook familiarity. Maybe ratliff was a “mangini guy” but again I don’t think that was the selling point or the deal maker (but it was the fact that ratliff knew the Offense).

I don’t think this tells us mangini has that much control. If ratliff wasn’t on our TC roster, I doubt we pick him up or seriously consider him b/c he was a “mangini guy”.

When it comes down to it, it isn’t mangini’s team anymore and he isn’t the one going out and signing FAs and keeping FAs.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 22, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

for a grammar correction i should have said: “i don’t see him BEING released” does that make it better??

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s much better. I don’t see him being released by the team either. We’re still very thin at DB, and until we get the personnel to push him off the roster, he stays.

We’ve been hearing now for two years how Mangini has ‘his guys’, and that they’ll be retained no matter if it’s in the best interest of the team or not. This is obviously false.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like Elam back. he’d make a wonderful backup.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 22, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like him back at the right price. If he gets the idea he deserves starter money, I would rather just promote Asante.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 22, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was sure that we would have kept pool this year, with the lack of depth at safety, but i was wrong.

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pool wasn’t very good, was hurt constantly, and likely wanted out, which means we would have had to overpay in order to retain him.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Oct 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

something like 4 concussions.. t.j. ward took his spot and i think every browns fan can be happy about that.

by browns8 on Oct 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pool was alright as a player. His health scared the crap out of me.

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by rufio on Oct 24, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too many mental mistakes for my liking. Of course he never had much in the way of help either, so, maybe, he’s a better player than I tend to give him credit for being.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

he also had a lot of injury issues and there was some question of whether he would be effective at all again.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we keep roth and Vickers I would be fine. we definitely need to keep those guys.

Who knows with jackson. He is a guy who has by that point would have played 6 total games since 2008 and ended 2 seasons on IR. Elam is a career backup.

for UFAs and RFAs for next year, I would like to keep stuckey (dunno what gocong has done) and Benard.

We WILL keep Benard. he is an ERFA:

Exclusive-rights free agents are players who have completed fewer than three “accrued seasons” of service whose contracts have expired. If the franchise makes a “qualifying offer” the player has no negotiating rights with other clubs and must either sign the tender with their current club or sit out the season.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 21, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the ERFA info. i did not know about that.

by browns8 on Oct 21, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I had a feeling he was an ERFA. It felt too early for him to be an RFA.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 21, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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