Instant Recap: Super Bowl Champs? No Problem for Cleveland.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 24, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
in General News
Email
PrintIt's been awhile since the fans in the Superdome have been this stunned. The Cleveland Browns pulled off a miraculous 30-17 victory over the New Orleans Saints, making it the third consecutive year that Cleveland has taken out the defending Super Bowl Champions.
In the game thread, someone asked if there would be any goats for this game. The answer is, quite simply, "No." In a game that was such a joy for Cleveland fans to watch, all I can think about is the number of game balls that can be handed out. I'll get to those tomorrow and in my game review. For now, let's take a look at the big plays that were made by the Browns today, because there were certainly a lot of them.
- The Saints punted to Joshua Cribbs on their first drive, and he threw a lateral across the whole field to Eric Wright. Wright returned the kick 62 yards, setting up a field goal. +3 for Cleveland.
- On Cleveland's second drive, Colt McCoy threw deep for Joshua Cribbs in the end zone. The Saints were flagged for pass interference, a 38-yard penalty. Peyton Hillis then punched it in for a touchdown on the next play. +7 for Cleveland.
- Up by only 10 points and the Saints driving, Drew Brees threw his first red zone interception in his last 80 tries to LB Scott Fujita. That's either -3 or -7 for New Orleans.
- On 4th-and-8 from the 23 yard line, up 10-3 in the first half, Reggie Hodges lined up to punt. The play turned out to be a fake, and Hodges ran for the first down...but wait! He kept on running for a total of 68 yards, setting up a Browns field goal. +3 for Cleveland.
- Trying to run their two-minute offense in the first half, a few whacky bounces off of players led to a shocking David Bowens pick six, as he leaped into the end zone. +7 for Cleveland.
- On the Saints' first drive of the second half, they were backed up in a 1st-and-35 situation after a double penalty was called. That allowed Cleveland's defense to keep the momentum they had in the first half and remain confident.
- After the Saints had scored their first touchdown at the start of the fourth quarter to make the score 20-10, the Browns' offense showed up for really its first time of the game. The offense consisted of tough running from Peyton Hillis, as well as a trick third down throw from Hillis to Colt McCoy to keep the chians moving. The drive only netted a field goal, but the real key here is this: 7 minutes and 30 seconds were taken off the clock. +3 for Cleveland.
- Up by only 13 points, there was still concern that New Orleans could come back. They were driving fast, but then David Bowens read the quarterback and made a play on the football again, this time returning the pick 64 yards and an uncontested touchdown. Ball game for Cleveland.
Final Score: 30-17, Browns Defeat Saints
Cleveland moves to 2-5 as they enter their bye week. It feels kind of cool that I used my upset special on the Browns this week and I was right. We'll remember this win for awhile. GO BROWNS!!!
806 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
How in the hell did the Raiders score 31 points in the first quarter?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
For Hernandez, right? Sorry about that. I started Hernandez as well, so at least I took my own bad advice.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I told you…
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Beanie Wells has a TD. Hope you started him over Ronnie Brown.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank goodness that I decided to start McFadden this morning. He was questionable after not playing last week, but I took the chance and it payed off beautifully. 4 TD’s and 43 points so far (and I have him in the LGT league as well).
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Britt had a huge game today as well.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Mind blowing game. Won most owners that started him the game outright.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
McFadden double killed me — in my main league, I started Michael Bush against a guy with McFadden. Bush still put up a solid 11.5 points*, but DMC killed me.
*Why doesn’t DBN league do partial points by the way?
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 24, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome awesome awesome win. Even though McCoy didn’t come close to matching his performance from last week, I can’t see a reason not to start him from here on out.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
He had a very underrated performance. No confusion or delay of game penalties. No mind numbing WTF throws right to DBs. Complete poise in a din of a Stadium against the SB champs. Big difference in the game – Brees 4 picks and Colt 0 = nuff said. Big hat tip to Bowens, Fujita, Hodges – tremendous efforts. Special shout out to Mangini, Ryan, Sealy, and Daboll. Well down gentlemen
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
He should also get credit for a nice deep throw to Cribbs that caused the pass interference call. That was a beautiful throw and right on the money.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the “Steelers don’t lose” rule was applied again against Miami. When are the Steelers going to have a bad call hurt them for a change?
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
when they play somebody thats going to win anyways. If playing against a good (MI) or excellent (CL) or acceptable (JAX) team they’ll get the call.
Incredible game guys! I saw that hodges run live! I wish jax play calling was 1/10 as creative. The last time we had a punter run it from punt formation was 1996, last fake punt for us was three years ago. I probably can give you the win later on this year against the jags, just promise to make it 10 pooints or less and no intentionally awesome plays please. anyways i havent kept track but go whup the rest of the AFC North for me they deserve it since that ravens led embarassment back in 2008 where they were throwing deep up 21 points
Waber-Jaguar
Not even going to brag about how Colt outplayed Brees. Wow did Mangini, Ryan, Sealy, and Daboll come up with a game plan or what? Fujita and Bowens just unbelievable. I have never in my life seen a better coached, better prepared, harder working totally chitty team in my life.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
It’s wins like this that say that the coaching staff still has the team. No matter how this season plays out, I would be extremely disappointed if the coaching staff is not back next year. How can you not like the grit and the heart that this team plays with. And when they execute like they did in this game, it’s a thing of beauty. Loved the the imagination in the play calling across the board.
TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
I think Terry Pluto wrote it in one of his articles “grit and gimmicks”. Good post dawg.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
We have a trend of beating Super Bowl teams:
Oct 13, 2008, vs NYG, 35-14
Dec 10, 2009, vs Pitt, 13-6
Oct 24, 2010, vs NO, 30-17
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
it’ll be hard to beat ourselves next year…
by Sizemorgasim on Oct 24, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup I pointed this out (as I am sure others did) at the beginning of the week. More important: let’s hope we use this as a springboard like the Pittsburgh win last season, and NOT like the Giants win a couple years back.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 24, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a trend of beating Super Bowl teams:
that’s good. Let’s do it when we’re one too…
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 24, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t that have the effect of dividing by zero?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
I think he meant beat the other team in the SB.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This was hilarious we were watching the game with my dad, and I said “Dad only a Browns fan would be worried up 20 with 2:00 left”
And we preceded to break down how the Saints might possibly come back on us!
Thank you for the win Brownies, I’m probably the most psyched since we beat the stoolers last year
pretty effortless 45-ish yard toss from mccoy on the pass interference call. he may not have a howitzer, but so far i’m not concerned at all about his arm strength.
phenomenal win that exemplifies this organization today: tough, gritty, smart. this was a lot less about talent and much more about effort and execution.
Loved the creativity from the coaching staff today. Bowens was outstanding. Colt managed the game well. Eric Wright did something good. No turnovers for us. 4INTs. Browns win.
Couldn’t have asked for a better Sunday.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
Yup. And I think this game was more focused on defense and running the ball, rather than focusing on the pass. So basically, his numbers reflect that strategy.
I will be really pissed if we put Delhomme in for Colt.
Jason Wright made the worst fumble on a kick return I’ve seen in my life (ARI vs SEA). He sucks. Arizona should really reconsider their policy of picking up our leftovers.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
DAVUS: KEEP PICKING UPSETS.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Oct 24, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you were nuts at the time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson to take the field for Arizona! This one to go on Comedy Central. Stay tuned.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
might I add they’re down 16-0 in the second half. Want to guess how many picks? I’m going to go with 2.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he comes back to lead them to victory.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 24, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m with you, chris. anderson always seemed like a pretty standup dude, even if he is a terribly inaccurate passer.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He also said we didn’t deserve a winner.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He was referring to a specific group of Browns fan that cheered when he was injured, in which I agree.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
ah, then yes, I agree as well.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He said Cleveland doesn’t deserve a winner, not the people who cheered when I was injured don’t deserve a winner. He lumped everyone together.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
“The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner … I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured. I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them.”
Take it whatever way you want to, but I don’t blame him for that. Still, he felt he needed to apologize and did:
“I said some things to Jeff Schudel (of The News-Herald) earlier that I regret. Those of you who got to know me personally from covering the Browns over the past five years, know this was out of character for me. I wasn’t taken out of context, but I was speaking out of my frustration after my career with the Browns came to a close.
”I had some great times playing in Cleveland, especially during the 2007 season and I met some great people and made many lifelong friends along the way. I’m looking forward to starting a new chapter in my life."
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Or his agent told him he did. We’ll never know.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve never really understood the hate for him from some Browns fans. Just because he wasn’t a great QB doesn’t mean that he’s a bad guy.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t he the one that said Browns fans don’t deserve a winning team?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"The fans are ruthless and don’t deserve a winner … I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured. I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and (we) roll them."
Players often say things they regret right after they get cut by a team. It’s an emotional time. I wouldn’t read too much in to it.
As far as wanting to get revenge when he plays the Browns again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Every athlete feels that way.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d be out of the league if it wasn’t for us.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that even mean? He played well for us for year so he owes us something? I don’t get it.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
IF it wasn’t for us, he’d probably wouldn’t have a job. No need to bad mouth us.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably referring to the fact that he was a 6th rounder that got cut by the Ravens before we gave him a shot.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that some other team would have given him a shot if we hadn’t. There is no reason to think that he’d be out of the NFL right now if the Browns didn’t pick him up. QB’s with arms like him always get chances to play in this league.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Saints fan here.
Congrats, the Browns outplayed us and also played to win the game with play calling. Good defensive schemes—really had Brees confused. Hope we can beat your hated rivals next week—need it big time. I’m a Delhomme fan and I know he is at the end of his career, but I hope he does well when he gets in there. Harvey Pekar is smiling somewhere—became a fan after seeing the movie and looking at the old Letterman showdowns. It would be nice to see the Browns back in the playoffs soon. Good luck.
"(actor James Urbaniak) Robert Crumb: You turned yourself into a comic hero?
(actor Paul Giamti) Harvey Pekar: Sorta, yeah. But no idealized s***. No phony bs. The real thing, y'know? Ordinary life is pretty complex stuff.
(Real) Havey Pekar: I felt more alone that week than any. Sometimes I'd feel a body lying next to me like an amputee feels a phantom limb. All I did was think about Jennie Gerhardt and Alice Quinn and all the decades of people I had known. The more I thought, the more I felt like crying. Life seemed so sweet and so sad, and so hard to let go of in the end. But hey, man, every day is a brand new deal, right? Just keep on working and something's bound to turn up."
From the movie "American Splendor"
ope we can beat your hated rivals next week—need it big time.
This would be excellent.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We hope you slap them around and grind them into the turf like the cheapshotting headhunting punk thugs that they are. Unfortunately, they’re the damn luckiest team in the NFL.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Oct 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake would be 3rd on my depth chart right now, but thanks. We needed a win like this and I hope you beat one of the two. The Steelers need to be punched in the face more than the Ratbirds, though. Go after them.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you beat the hell outta them.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Send Jerome Harrison our love, will you?
Actually, on second thought, if you could hit him HARD and lay him out on his back, that would be great. And as he’s lying on the ground writhing in pain asking “WHY??” I hope whoever hit him points at him and says “YOU KNOW WHY!”
And by Jerome I secretly meant James.
Fail.
by shep615 on Oct 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was like “wtf?”
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he
does well when henever gets in there.
Good luck to you guys as well.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
Serious, off topic question here, what are the chances Josh McDaniels is gone after this season? I’m watching the OAK-DEN game right now and that team sucks.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
To Mr. Roger Dorn’s pleasure, I assume. They’ll give him an extra season to play Tebow and then they’ll can him.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
To my pleasure as well, my wife is from Colorado. Her whole family is insufferable.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
I think I hate the Raiders a lot more than the Broncos. I am a fan of the expansion Browns and therefore do not hate the Donkeys as much as other Browns fans do.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
boooooo
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
59 points. I wonder if Oakland scored 59 points in that season Art Shell was coaching them.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How does one become a fan of the “expansion Browns”?
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 25, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There was a discussion about this awhile back. I was pretty astounded to find that anyone actually became a fan during the past decade.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was 11 when the team was moving and I had not moved to Cleveland yet. The expansion Browns are the only Browns I have really known.
I was five when the team moved, so I don’t really remember anything before expansion.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well just take our word for it, you should hate the donks.
Go Browns.
We’ve played well enough to be undefeated. Let’s hope this is the corner.
by HenryDawg on Oct 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would you trade Colt straight up for Tebow?
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I put a lot less value on H-backs than I do QBs.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It worked out well with Hillis.
by rebuilding year on Oct 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, I’ve just never seen a talented team disassembled so quickly because of a coach’s ego. They have the worst rushing attack in the NFL after years of being the best in the league.
Also, what happened to Eddie Royal? And Mike Nolan?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Mike Nolan quit after one season because of McDaniel.
Seriously.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So did Cutler, and his wife… because that’s all she needed to get Hillis.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutler’s a baby. Between Cutler & McDaniels, I take Cutler.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 25, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. I meant McDaniels.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He sure screwed them severely. I’ll admit, I was defending him early last season, but I was dead wrong. He really drove a good franchise into the ground.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Hillis, Marshall, Cutler… he dealt his best players away for nothing. He can’t draft either.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you imagine where we’d be had we hired him instead of Mangini?
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
Cribbs would be traded and Tebow would be starting after being selected 7th overall.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
and hillis would not be on the team, and apparently brady quinn would be the qb…
translation: nightmare
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have the breakdown but Denver had a ton of draft picks and I don’t know what they have to show for it.
On a side note, Kyle Orton is underrated and drafting Tim Tebow was idiotic.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 24, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
drafting Tim Tebow was idiotic.
I don’t want this to sound snarky or anything, but this may win the “most obvious statement of the year” award.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
The trade for Cutler was fantastic though. Kyle Orton prolly better straight up and then they get a slew of top picks? On that – Josh deserves an A.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I thought the same thing, at first. Then I’ve seen the degradation of that offense since McDaniels took effect, and I realize I was wrong.
Also, I don’t think Orton is more talented as a QB than Cutler.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Orton has been under rated for all his career. Is he peyton Manning? No. But I definitely think he’s as good as Eli.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Orton may not have the talent of Cutler, but he has much more between the ears. The more I watch cutler, the more I think he will never be anything special.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
that has little to do with the fact that he often refuses to throw the short route when the guy is open and always seems to look deep and force it deep.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
so martz is seriously telling him to ignore the open receivers and force it downfield? it is hard to believe that ANY OC would do that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That is the Martz offense.
You just passed obvious football 101.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Martz offense has hot reads built into it.
The reason its QBs get demolished is not because they force the ball deep, but because they always get 5 out into the routes. Meaning if the QB doesn’t make the correct hot read before the defense does, you are looking at concussions.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Cutler’s got more talent but he seems to be getting worse while Orton is steadily improving. Even this year without Brandon Marshall Orton has been solid.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 24, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
never underestimate the importance of an offensive line. Peyton Manning wouldn’t look good in chicago.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
with a pretty good O-Line, solid rushing attack, and great weapons in Denver, he was never amazing or elite. he showed flashes but even then, he was not all that good.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
look at his stats from 2008 in Denver and tell me he wasn’t all that good.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he was pretty good with very good weapons. He was not better than Orton has been however and isn’t that how this whole thing started? that trade for orton for cutler?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
you aren’t factoring in the difference in offensive philosophy. Cutler did that on a run-first team. Orton is on a passing offense.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and how much better has Cutler been than Orton in the Chicago offense?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
again, you are not taking the difference in offensive philosophy into account.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutler is not a good QB
The kid has not been any better than .500 since High School. The only starter in the NFL that can say that.
football is a team game.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This is all wrong.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is pretty far down so I can’t tell if you are responding to my statement. If so, check out Orton’s numbers (Passer Rating, TDs and INTs and Yards) vs. Cutler’s for ’09 and so far this season. Cutler is in a downward spiral and Orton is improving.
And I really don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Cutler was born with more talent to throw the football than Orton.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
if you want to check what post a comment is a reply to, you can click on the “up” button at the bottom.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man. I didn’t know that.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It was referencing Bross’ claim that Cutler has never been amazing or elite.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 25, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification. Notthatnoise’s tip above will be very helpful in avoiding any future confusion.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
when was he “elite”?
Please point this out. In Denver, he was good and on the verge of being amazing or elite, but never got there IMO.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
2008 was an amazing season by Cutler.
He had no running attack (His leading rusher was Micheal Pittman with 320 yards) starting 6 different RB’s. He had the 30th ranked defense as well.
He lead that team to an 8-8 record. Think about that. No defense, no running game, and a .500 record.
If that isn’t good enough in your eyes, you need to re-evaluate your standards.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I was just looking at QB rating and its pretty good, but I wouldn’t consider it amazing. I forgot about the lack of rushing attack.
I guess I quantify amazing as one requirement is a 90 QB rating. Thats why I said he was on the verge, he had an 88.
Maybe you don’t agree with this methodology, and maybe I should have considered yards too, but that is how I came up with him being on the “verge of amazing” but not amazing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Orton might not be more talented than Cutler, but the goal is to have a QB that produces. At what point in his career does Cutler become more than just talent? Plus I’m an Orton fan, because i think he’s been unfairly slammed his whole career.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
jeff george was a pretty talented guy…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly with you that Cutler is much more talented than KO – but I will stick to my guns and say the KO is the better QB and will always be the better QB. I prefer the mistake free QB to the gunslinger. I like Brady more than Favre for example. Montana better than Marino you get the point.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I prefer the mistake free QB to the gunslinger.
See: Raiders v. Broncos 10/24/2010.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if Cutler were playing in that offense right now, he’d be putting up incredible numbers. McDaniels runs a QB-flattering system, that’s for sure.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
McDaniels runs a QB-flattering system, that’s for sure.
He was a Pats’ OC.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
another belichick-family-tree success story…
(deep breath..) apparently, belichick is a freaking evil genius, b/c none of his assistants has had anything even remotely resembling success elsewhere (until mangini takes the browns to the playoffs this year, obviously)
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that Mangini was successful in New York.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
I would aid you in this argument.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he seemed to be headed that way, but i’m not sure a .500 record in 3 years is quite “successful”, is it?
in any case, mangini is one out of: romeo, weis, mangini, mcdaniels … who else? 25% hit rate, even if i concede mangini in ny, is not good.
the point remains.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the argument for Mangini in NY is that he had one playoff year, one bad year, and one year sabotaged by Brett Favre. Coincidentally, the year he got fired the Jets went 9-7, and then the year after with Rex Ryan they went 9-7, with two victories handed to them when the opposition sat their starters. Ryan was hailed as awesome, Mangini still stunk.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand the argument for mangini.
but ultimately it’s beside the point that i’m making, which is that the belichick family tree sucks.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Belichick family tree sucks at head coaching, as coordinators however… Weis and Crennel seem to be doing pretty well in KC.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
The problem might be more that NFL people think success as a coordinator translates to being a HC.
Romeo and Charlie are killing it as coordinators—and Weiss’ offense did alright at ND. McDaniels has put up respectable numbers for Denver’s offense despite getting rid of most of their talent. Mangini has our defense playing well above their talent level.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Can’t think like that or you’ll never trust yourself to make fantasy football decisions.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Ha, I just got lucky on that one. I knew Wells could be productive but he hasn’t shown it this year. The only reason I picked him over Brown is because Brown was facing the Steelers defense.
But, as Simms said, you don’t know what’s going to happen and have to go with what you think is right. If it doesn’t work out that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision. (Of course, going against my advice is ALWAYS a bad decision . . . haha!)
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bellichick just made a very questionable coaching decision. Up 3, with exactly 2 minutes left, on the 50 yard line, he elects to go for it on 4th and 1 rather than punt and pin them deep. Not that I necessarily think it was a bad decision, but if the Pats lose that will be second guessed all day, especially because it mean SD only needs one first down to get into field goal range to tie it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Yeah, dumb call with the lead. Even if he gets it, he’s not a “genius” it’s still a dumb call.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I don’t know what the Charger’s time out situation was. if they were out, a first down wins the game, and if I’m Bill I trust my offense more than my D.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically the same decision he made last year against the Colts. Didn’t agree with it then, don’t agree with it now. Plus, I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Steelers.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
exactly my thought, although this one is more defensible, since it was at midfield instead of deep in his own territory.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap they must have missed the FG after getting it to the 27.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit off the upright.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
After a false start penalty which moved them back 5 yards and make it a 50-yard kick instead of 45.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The AFC West standings seem upside down to me.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
The AFC North standings seem upside down to me.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 24, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
aren’t we ahead of the Bengals right now?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
oh right, today was their bye right?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I was thinking of you at the end of the Mizzou game last night. What a victory for you guys, and more chaos at the top of the rankings.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love it. If Mizzou beats Nebraska on the road this week, they better be in the BCS discussion or else I quit.
They’re sixth right now, which seems about right. Computers have them ranked very highly, so if they need to move up in the human polls if they want to move higher. You’re going to need to start rooting hard for MSU, Oregon, and Auburn to lose.
Beating Nebraska is going to be difficult, though. I doubt Mizzou makes it through their schedule undefeated but you never know. You guys at least have a really good chance of making a BCS game as long as you don’t lose more than once.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t sound right that we moved down from last week though, who jumped us? Mizzou? If so, that seems better.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Actually, I’m quite surprised that the computers have them ranked so high consdering that they hadn’t beaten a really good team until the Oklahoma game. Illinois and Texas A&M are decent, but that’s about it.
Auburn has the best resume right now. They’ve beaten 4 top 25 teams. Oregon and Auburn are definitely the top 2 teams right now, in my opinion, and that’s how the BCS has them.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I usually prefer the computer rankings over what other people think. It’s harder to argue with a computer.
I agree. People complain about computer rankings all the time, but the human polls are full of bias and ignorance (mostly ignorance). The problem with the computer rankings is that they’re not allowed to take margin of victory in to account, which is why LSU was ranked #1 in many of them last week when they clearly weren’t the best team in the country.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Used to be
If I remember right, margin of victory WAS part of the BCS equation. They chose to do away with it, because for the sake of sportsmanship, teams were running up the score to help their BCS rankings.
To continue resistance against hopeless odds.
Merriam-Webster definition of Die-Hard.
margin of victory is a tricky one. i understand the allure, but if you have a dominant defense and a so so offense you shouldn’t be excluded from the top of the rankings.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you have a dominant defense then you should still have a good margin of victory most of the time because you’re not giving up many points. How would the margin of victory be any different than a team who has a dominant offense but a so-so defense?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
56-20 isn’t necessarily a “better” victory than 14-0.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that after a limit of, say, 20 points, margin of victory is irrelevent. But there is certainly a difference between beating a team by 14 points and 2 points and that should be recognized.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough. but i think you’ve just illustrated some of the pitfalls of margin of victory … your cutoff may be 20 points, but ask 50 people and you’ll get 50 answers, right?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. I think we can all agree that a 20 point victory is more impressive than a 3 point victory, and there are ways to create the programs so that the importance of the margin decreases as the margin gets larger. So it doesn’t really matter what the exact cutoff is — if there is one — but that there is some element to margin of victory involved.
The computer rankings had it before the coaches made them take it out a few years ago, so it’s not like they haven’t figured out a way to do it already.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know why they took it out? It seems like what you’re saying would make more sense than not having it at all.
The coaches didn’t want teams running up the score.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed that the vagueness of margin of victory doesn’t mean it is worthless.
There is such a thing as a man with a full head of hair and a man that is bald. Take a man with a full head of hair, remove one hair at a time, and eventually you will end up with a bald man. But when? There is no correct answer.
That said, I am not in favor of margin of victory factoring into the BCS.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
When you’ve removed all the hair, duh.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s definitely bald before that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It was a joke.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the human rankings are almost entirely based on really dumb pre-season rankings. (Really dumb that they do them at all, and really dumb that it basically decides who has a shot and who doesn’t before any games.)
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I think that voters are getting better at moving teams up and down in the rankings during the season, but your point still stands.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a god awful system. The absolute worst ever. Since mankind could use tools, this is the worst thing we’d ever bring into existence.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
No, that would have to go to the Ravens.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. BCS is worse than the Ravens.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Do I smell butter and syrup?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Oct 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
go easy on it, its really not that terribad. One out of every 3 years we get a little controversy, but lots of times it seems like the #1 and #2 teams are pretty clear cut.
"Smokescreen."
in fairness, it is a LOT better than the old system.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If there was a playoff system, there would never be controversy between the #1 and #2 team in the end.
not true. as long as there’s a “hierarchy” of BCS-type conferences and “others” there will always be controversy
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I was hoping when all the merging drama was going on we’d see a couple mega conferences emerge. I think if a couple of the smaller conferences are washed out it would make implementing a playoff system easier.
good point. although there would always be the controversies over the last couple of spots, which in an 8-team format would be much more meaningful than, say, the 65th team into the ncaa tourney.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This. Also, a college football playoff would be the greatest most entertaining event ever.
But yeah, the champion would beat 4 very high ranked teams, 4 weeks in a row. They’d deserve everything.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It certainly would be entertaining. I guess there is more money to be made in the Bowl Series though.
Have both.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah that’s what I don’t get. Make the bowl games, the playoff games for the “championship tourney or whatever you want to call it” and then keep the other bowls for the teams that don’t make the playoffs.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
but there would be controversy about who was #8 and who was #9 every single year. (or whatever the last team to get in the playoff would be). at least a good number of the voters have seen a good chunk of the #1 and #2 teams’ games. The #7 and #8 teams don’t get that kind of exposure.
"Smokescreen."
Really, guys, let’s not start another long discussion on this again. We already did that on here not too long ago so we don’t need to rehash that subject.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you really have to mock my comment?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The realistic chances of which ever bubble team didn’t make it winning 4 games in succession verses 4 of the hardest opponents they’ll play all year is so little that it won’t matter whatsoever. Playoff is still far more logical.
Nice try though, well not really.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I’m not saying that the playoff isn’t a good idea, I’m just pointing out that the playoff system wouldn’t solve the BCS controversy.
"Smokescreen."
If you make it through the playoffs and win the championship, there is no controversy. You are the clear cut champion.
I’m saying that at the end of the season there will still be debate as to who is the last team in and who is shut out. You still might be denying a good team a shot at the title. Yes any team that wins a playoff would be deserving i understand that but there still would be debate and such at the end of the regular season.
"Smokescreen."
My point is that their complaints would fall of deaf ears, and rightly so.
Whoever wins it all is the real champ, that’s all that matters when the smoke of a playoff would clear, not who was 8 and who just missed.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
you are making the exact same argument as the BCS, except you’re arguing the #9 team has no argument instead of the #3 team. why is the ninth teams argument less viable?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course the “ninth team” argument is less important to crowing a championship than the “third team” argument. The farther down you get, the less significant it is. But obviously there’s no clear cutoff between important and unimportant.
by dgcambridge on Oct 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest with you, I think college football is better off the way it is right now with the bcs controversy and the regular season that feels like the playoffs. There is so much riding on every game it creates more urgency.
"Smokescreen."
HA! A 12-13 week playoff based on pre-season rankings that are voted on before a single game is played, at the college level?
this is crazy.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
but if a team couldn’t survive for 13 weeks, they have no argument right? any team that goes undefeated through that deserves to be champions, right? nobody else has a legitimate argument, right?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Faces complete garbage 96% of the season. Their are high school teams that could handle the teams that Boise State beats on a regular basis.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Thats not true. The Wac isn’t a big boy conference but you shouldn’t make so light of it. Boise state has done all it can: It is moving to a new conference next season and it has scheduled the toughest Out of conference games that it could (there are plenty of big teams that wouldn’t schedule them because they didn’t want to go to bronco stadium and get beat.)
"Smokescreen."
Current MWC Teams
TCU, Utah, San Diego State, Air Force, BYU, UNLV, Colorado State, New Mexico, and Wyoming
To continue resistance against hopeless odds.
Merriam-Webster definition of Die-Hard.
Yes, you should make light of it. The WAC is a joke.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Oct 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The WAC is wack.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m an NMSU alum, they may get kicked out of the WAC because their attendance at home games is so bad. Getting kicked out of the WAC, that’s laughable.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Oct 24, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No 4 weeks in a row of this “13-week” playoff that is the current system will ever reach the level of difficulty that the real playoff would.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I completely disagree. these teams know they have to go undefeated. they really do treat every game like a playoff game.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Right Simmsinns. A lot of teams can go through the season undefeated. Only one can go through the playoffs undefeated.
how often are there 3 division 1 teams that are undefeated at the end of the year?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to argue that a playoff isn’t better, it is. But to act like a playoff gets rid of any controversy is nuts.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to honestly apologize, but on my monitor all of this for the past half hour has only been 2 inches wide.
It’s absolutely terrible to try and read.
I’m not conceding defeat, though. A college football playoff being the much much better option is something I will not change my mid on. I will never be convinced that the BCS system is in anyway equivalent either.
Sorry I don’t want to continue this 2 inches at a time.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
All I’m arguing is that the “controversy” won’t matter at all to me.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
until whatever team you root for finishes 9th.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It happens, and the possibility is always there.
What also happens is multiple 1 loss teams are in the top 5.
what if teams 1-10 are one loss teams?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well you’ll have to excuse me missing then, and either point me to it or repeat it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, there will be controversy between the 8 and 9 team, but you are still giving 8 teams a chance to compete for the title rather than the 2 we give now.
I never argued against that. Simmsinns was arguing that there would be no controversy, which I don’t think is true. Of course 8 is better than 2, but we shouldn’t pretend that solves the problem.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong, I argued that the controversy didn’t matter.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
you never said why though.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though, this 2 inches wide thing is freaking annoying.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Brett Favre agrees.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoe do you pick #1 and #2 from that?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
How*
Point being, you only give yourself a wider net to cast to find the best team in the nation.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
my point is only that you have to cut it off somewhere, and no matter where you make that cut there are going to be teams left out that have a legitimate argument for being included.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that less of those teams is better than more of those teams.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I agree. I was never arguing against that. the only reason I got involved was because Simmsinns said moving to a playoff eliminated all controversy, which obviously isn’t true.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if that happens, i’ll eat my hat
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
not really an acceptable contingency plan in most cases…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
End the debate: win all your games.
The same can’t be said for this system.
Again, it wouldn’t be ideal, but it would be better than the current system. And that’s the best argument for the current system’s existence (that it is better than the previous system).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
let’s do a real accounting, though … how many “controversial” title games have there really been in 13 (13?) years of the BCS?
auburn not getting a shot the year that usc torched oklahoma springs immediately to mind … what else?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure most people would argue there have been a couple instances where Boise St. or TCU deserved a shot, but I won’t.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
In my mind, any time you have an undefeated team not get a chance is a problem. DOn’t care which conference
Mine too. That is what I would change about the current system; make sure all but one team has lost at least one game.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ok. i’m not sure i agree, but how many times has that happened? that same auburn team, 2 boise teams, tulane (?), utah …
a playoff would be better. that is not my point. my point is similar to NTN’s that a playoff would not eliminate controversy, and it’s not as though the BCS has failed college football miserably thus far.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oklahoma vs. Texas vs. Texas Tech was a pretty big deal. It wasn’t for the Nat’l Championship, but it was for the Big 12 Championship in which Oklahoma went on to the Nat’l Championship.
I believe that was the case.
But that was a conference problem, not a BCS problem.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Boise?
A 2-loss OSU team facing LSU instead of someone else?
Depends on what you mean by “controversial”
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You mean a 1-loss OSU facing a 2-loss LSU.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
While I would prefer playoffs, you will still hear the complaints.
“Oh well my team could have beat (insert team here).”
Just like we have now.
But they won’t matter at all in a playoff system.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
they’ll matter the first time an 8 seed wins. then you will have team 9 up in arms.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all, if 8 seed wins it all (beating 4 insanely good teams in a row) then 9 can shut the hell up. Still doesn’t matter. 8 deserves it all.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I don’t understand your logic here. The number 9 team would say they were capable of the same thing, and they would have an argument.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No they wouldn’t. The likely hood that a team that couldn’t even make the playoffs outright could beat those teams at that level 4 weeks in row is so little that it’s negligible.
.9999…. repeating eventually = 1.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
you’re missing the point. the point is the difference between that 8th team and 9th team is so little it’s negligible. So why let one team in and not the other?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you have to draw a line somewhere?
by dgcambridge on Oct 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that. I’m agreeing that a playoff is better. I am disagreeing that it gets rid of all controversy.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can an 8 seed do that but not a 9 seed?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
In reality neither would.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Butler won a college football national champion ship as an 8 seed in a 16-team playoff?
Well I’ll be damned.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I’m not too upset with the current setup, but if they go to a playoff, I actually think 16 teams is the right number. Can you imagine the excitement for those 15 games? And does #16 beat #1 once a decade?
by dgcambridge on Oct 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yes they would. the top few teams in college football are too evenly matched for there not to be an upset.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Auburn definitely has the best Resume.
Michigan State’s isn’t bad either and if they beat Iowa, that just makes their resume that much better.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
yeah. I said their resume isn’t bad, referring to the fact that they beat a top 25 team in wisconsin who has one loss, and a michigan team who is top 25 in the coaches poll.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
One thing I will point out about the BCS….5 of the computer polls have Missouri either 1 or 2. It’s the damn humans keeping them as low as 6th.
That’s because they started out lower. If they keep winning then it will work itself out in the end.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You should quit anyway. The current system is a complete and total joke, just plain awful, one of the biggest disasters year and year in the history of sporting events.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I kind of agree, but in the current set-up, Missouri may not get a better chance than this year. A non-traditional power program has a huge uphill battle in making a claim for title game.
I have quit. I can honestly say that I do not give a shit about college football. Not anymore I don’t. Haven’t watched one game this year.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
that’s too bad, b/c college football is awesome, and it’s the administrators, not the games, that are screwing it up. the bcs may stink, but college football is still boss.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame you one bit. I wish I could say the same thing. I feel like a hypocrite when I condemn the worst thing to happen in sports ever then help to write paychecks by giving them ratings… but several games are entertaining, and I’m emotionally invested in the Buckeyes.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Haven’t we already had this discussion before? Quite recently, I believe.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I missed it, or I have a terrible memory, or both. It’s something I’m passionate about so I’m surprised I honestly don’t remember.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
We had a very large discussion about the BCS within the past couple months, probably at the start of football season. Don’t remember if you were involved or not.
I just don’t want to start another 200+ comment subthread about the same topic again and take over this post with an off-topic discussion.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen 200 comment sub-threads about musical tastes, and you don’t want to talk about the BCS? At least it’s football related.
It’s more the fact that we’ve already had the discussion not too long again. No reason to hear the same arguments again.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, 200 comments? Only takes like 3 or 4 to realize it’s the worst thing in all of sports.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
The worst thing in all of sports has to be the salary system in major league baseball: Between salary arbitration and the inequality of the clubs’ ability to draw revenue, baseball doesn’t even appeal to me anymore.
"Smokescreen."
But baseball is a pretty boring sport anyway, thus the awful salary systems importance pales in comparison.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I disagree, i love watching baseball. the long season kinda sucks since it diminishes the importance of every game. However, playoff baseball is delightful to watch. Being on the edge of my seat for every indians game during that 2007 run was one of the best spectator experiences of my life.
"Smokescreen."
so, that is a much more flawed system but it isn’t as “flawed” in your mind because you don’t give a crap about baseball anyways?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
thats a pretty stupid way of arguing things. a system is flawed the same regardless of how much you care about it.
Just because I don’t care about something doesn’t mean it is less flawed than it is.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
what…
so logic is funny to you now? oh wait, it must be because your thought process is highly illogical.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I am grateful that you all thought of me. I do find it mildly amusing that when you thought of me, it was my fake internet user name.
I thought this was your real internet user name.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a valid point, but my real internet user name is mooncamping.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
haha that would be so awesome.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d also assume you were born May 22 correct?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm, June 23 for me.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
my real name is bross
09 is in fact my last name. I come from a long line of numbers.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Your name is Brad. Just like BB…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
fine…
I thought it was pretty clear that it was a joke…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You seriously thought I was thinking your name on your birth certificate was bross 09?
Wow.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re really the only Mizzou fan that I know.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought of your fake internet profile picture
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
I blame it on the fact that Illinois has only made one game close in the history of the “rivalry.”
It’s still fun, though.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
Wow, the first game of the year I miss due to work and we win arguably our best win since the Steelers loss in ‘09. Go figure. It’s a shame we’re going into a bye week, we could have really used this momentum to challenge the Patriots.
Since I didn’t see the game, maybe some of you can tell me. Does McCoy look confident out there?
The saga continues.
I didn’t like the fact of starting him this year, but I hope he makes me eat my words. I’m pulling for this kid.
The saga continues.
Let’s just hope our coaching staff isn’t dumb enough to put Delhomme back in. I feel like Mangini thinks he’s obligated to. Sort of like the Brett Favre fiasco in New York.
I thought of that. Honestly, I think Delhomme is a pretty humble guy. I don’t think he’ll pull an Anderson if things don’t go his way.
The saga continues.
I think it has nothing to do with Delhomme’s attitude and everything to do with Big Brother watching Eric Mangini.
Wow. They were talking about Jen Sterger during the game, so I Google Imaged her. Just a warning, NSFW.
not safe for work.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently, she had her implants removed because “they served their purpose” for her career.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My implants got my foot in the door
They started costing me more work than they were actually getting me, so I knew that they had kind of run their course.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahah I think its hystarical that sSterger rose to fame after appearing on camera during the 2005 Miami -FSU game and causing Brent Musberger to comment: “1,500 Red-blooded Americans just applied to Florida State”
"Smokescreen."
I love Musberger.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Cow burger thank you.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the chick that got Favre’s sexts?
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yes.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Idk what Favre was thinking but she is way out of his league.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami got screwed. Why is there not more outrage over this?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I feel like this is a prompt to start another “NFL favors Steelers” debate.
I need to see a replay of this.
I heard outrage about it on ESPN radio this afternoon and I’m sure we’ll hear much more about it tomorrow.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted right at the start of this thread if it counts
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m watching this IRT: Worlds Most Deadliest Roads show on History channel. People in India are insane.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I refuse to watch shows on the history channel that have nothing to do with history. this pretty much bans me from watching the history channel.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously? those are some of the best shows on tv. gangland is unreal
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
there is history involved in gangland.
I’m sure some of those shows are entertaining, but they should not be on the history channel. the history channel should be about history, or it should change its name.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s been fifteen years since I’ve learned anything from the Learning Channel, and almost as long since Home Box Office had more than a smattering of movies.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Is that what HBO stands for?
I miss when they had movies.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and I won’t watch TLC. I’m not sure if you’re right about HBO, but I remember them having mostly movies as recently as 5 years ago.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the wrong one.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
like I said, I haven’t had HBO in years, and even then we had all the different HBO variations, so out of maybe 12 channels at least 8 were showing a movie at any given time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And all of those movies were Braveheart.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Or Independence Day.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When’s the last time MTV played a music video?
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This morning on AMTV, but that’s it. And even then AMTV sucks.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t watch that much either. MTVU has videos, I watch that on occasion. I used to watch fuse a lot, but it’s gone the way of MTV.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
No, fuse is just straight gone.
Fuse was awesome, then Dish pulled the plug. Wtf?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
They all suck. If you want to watch music videos go to YouTube, set up a playlist of your favorites in no time, and BAM, best music video channel ever.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
thats great and all, but you rarely find new music that way.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
try vevo.com
both existing and new music
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve actually found more good, new (or at least new to me) music since the advent of Youtube than I ever found on any of the music channels. Outside of the old ‘120 Minutes’ show on Mtv, there’s never really been any good music on any of those channels. Just the same crap that’s on the radio.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you watched fuse maybe 6-10 years ago, but it was different.
also, pandora is great.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That would have either been it’s infancy, or when it was Much Music.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I stopped watching it around 2005 or so. I used to put it on every morning when getting ready for school because they would just have a 3-hour block of music.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I beg to differ, I find all my new music that way.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
how? if you’ve got a channel of your favorite music, how does new music enter the picture? I’m genuinely curious.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just look for it. Great music of all genres that you’ve never heard is all over YouTube. It often doesn’t even require much effort. They screwed up their main music, but I still use it to browse sometimes. They have this VEVO thing too, thousands if not millions of music videos from countless artists.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
VEVO is actually a separate entity. they’ve got a partnership w/ youtube as of now, but it’s a separate company w/ a separate website, mission, etc.
but very worth checking out.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
VEVO sucks.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s still on cable I believe. I miss being able to turn it on and know they were going to have music on.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If it’s a good show, why does it matter whether or not it’s about history?
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we’ve gotten to the point where we can agree that having a 24-hour (fill in subject) network turns out to be pretty stupid, and pretty hard to fill w/ 100% (fill in subject).
that said, i think the history channel does a pretty great job of blending history content (those shows about the revolution and the founding fathers are dope) w/ other shows (i.e. gangland) that a wider audience may find more compelling. gotta stay on air…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If you watched the Nostradamus shows, you met my Step – Grandmother.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst of the worst on History Channel is Monster Quest,
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
IT’S SO FUNNY!
So much cognitive dissonance, hicks, and terrible use of suspense that ends in pictures of deer.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It should be funny, but it’s not.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
They’ve had at least ten episodes on different versions on Bigfoot.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like every time I see it, that is what they are looking for. “Something threw a rock at me and smelled really potent”. Lame…get a picture or shut up.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
like I said, Gangland is history. I love Gangland.
I do not love 2012 bullshit, I don’t care about Nostradomus, Bigfoot isn’t real, and the world existed before america.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
although those revolutionary war shows are great, if a bit sugar-coated.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its funny that yahoo news front page said we may have misintepreted the Mayan calendar by anywhere from 50 to 100yrs. The end time could have already came and passed or is 100yrs away. LOL
They have no idea what they are talking about. Its all speculative.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
Most say the date has already passed though.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole thing with the Mayan calendar crap is they never viewed it as any sort of end time. as far as they were concerned it was like the year 2000. it was interesting, and marked change, but it wasn’t really a huge deal. The reason the Mayan calendar stops is because they just didn’t bother writing out more of it. I mean, do we have calendars for 2500 laying around?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am with you. These shows are total crap and that’s regardless of whether they belong on the History Channel. And don’t even get me started on the paranormal, sit in a building with fake equipment looking for ghosts shit that is popping up all over the place now.
DBN, where we wind up discussing the Browns, MTV, Hitler and everything in between.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Still, I can recall many times where there would be some current cultural show on History and a historical show on A&E at the same time.
the A&E biography series was great.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn’t like they are broadcasting live. It is history.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
ha. love the concept of a live history channel feed.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT CAN’T HAPPEN THOUGH! THEY AREN’T CALLED THE PRESENT CHANNEL!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If they run it on a 30 second delay it’s not present.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
a live history feed? like: this is what’s happening right now? thats called a cable news channel.
"Smokescreen."
i was laughing at the absurdity of it. not the genius.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: You ever heard the song “Money To Blow?”
“On records I’m Captain Hook and my new car is Rufio.”
Have no clue what it means, but I thought you’d enjoy it.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is this by?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Birdman Feat. Drake & Lil’ Wayne.
It’s Drake’s line.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I never knew this and flipped when I saw him on the show like a month ago.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed at this but felt really bad about myself.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Me too, but I’m still laughing.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
On my playlists.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Haha, glad I added a song to your daily music routine because that line always reminds me of you haha.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
fail
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 24, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The real fail here was breaking the chain with the fail comment.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
the n was straight fail. I considered it broken at the n.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The shows they do have that have something to do with history are usually pretty awful. I’m hooked on Ice Road Truckers, and this new IRT show though. Good stuff.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Don’t the Indian people pass the truckers on a blind corner and crap?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Ice Road Truckers. That show is awesome. I don’t really know why it matters what channel it’s on — if it’s a great show then it’s a great show, regardless if it’s on History Channel or Lifetime or PBS or whatever.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to him, it’s like if the blue channel was showing red.
Boo fricken’ hoo.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to love the history channel, because I love history. It matters to me because the history channel used to show great historical documentaries and biographies. Now they don’t. No other channel is picking that stuff up any time soon. I’ve lost my favorite channel.
I understand it was probably a limited audience, but I miss that old programming. I’m abhorred by the fact that there is a weekly show about Nostradomus predictions on a channel that wants to call itself the history channel.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, my Grandmother is on that show jerk!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s great, but Nostradomus’ contribution to history probably deserves about 5 minutes of air time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
nostradamus is a historical figure that a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) take seriously.
i understand what you’re saying, but it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face if you stop watching the great historical documentaries that still show up on their just b/c they show ice road truckers.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
but it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face if you stop watching the great historical documentaries that still show up on their just b/c they show ice road truckers.
Exactly. That’s like a football fan not watching MNF on ESPN because they don’t like that the network shows poker, which they don’t consider a sport.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that. I only said I don’t watch the other crap. I still watch the history channel
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this quote is what made me think that:
this pretty much bans me from watching the history channel.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He then indeed said it.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I didn’t.
I refuse to watch shows on the history channel that have nothing to do with history
I said it pretty much bans me from watching it, because I find there are very few shows that show actual history.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say you said it; I said that’s the quote that made me think you said it.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was responding to SB, I understood what you meant.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and can also understand why it would lead you to think that, strongly worded on my part.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that. I still watch the history stuff.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody cared about Nostradomus or took him seriously until Nazi Germany, and even then most people knew it was crap. The only reason he’s still a recognizable name is that people still like to hear that people can tell the future.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
still like to hear that people can tell the future.
It’s a tv network Jeffro.
They play what people LIKE to watch. Shocking.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I love history and watching history shows as well. But I also find Ice Road Truckers very enjoyable, and I don’t see any problem with a channel that shows both. IRT educates me as well, although certainly not as much as documentaries and biographies. But IRT is more interesting to most people, and it makes the channel money which they can use on other programming that you probably would enjoy.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m aware that they play what people like. I know they do it because it makes them money. I don’t have to like it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it History Channel or Discovery that has the Swamp Loggers? I laugh my butt of every time I watch the one guy that goes out with his son looking for logs submerged in water. They are complete idiots that I find fascinating to watch. Very entertaining.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
Axmen is gold.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s one I actually haven’t gotten into.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i picked it up about halfway through the first season. i find the characters to be very interesting and entertaining. and it seems amazing to me, as someone who works an office job, that people work that hard and in that dangerous of environments.
working in criminal justice, there is a certain level of danger at times in my job; but those guys are in situations everyday in which they could be violently killed at any given time.
What about Modern Marvels?!
They need to keep up with Discovery, not their fault.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t they all kind of the same network? I think I’ve seen History channel commercials on Discover and vice versa.
they’ll all owned by the same parent company now I think, but I don’t know how recent that development is.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*they’re
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
they do feel the same except one is slightly more about history and one is slightly more sciencey.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I was wondering, because one does a logging show, the next one brings up it’s own version.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Modern Marvels is often thick with history.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I watched that the other day (or something similiar). That road over the mountains along side a cliff in buses is NUTS!
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
I love that truckdrivers in India are paid to drive slowly and carefully so that their cargo gets to where it’s going in one piece, and bus drivers are paid more the faster they get where they’re going. A ton of quikcrete is more valuable than twenty or thirty passengers on a bus.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
that fake punt by green bay was almost as cool as ours.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
No, not even close.
Damn posers.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This. PLEASE.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Favre did mentor him…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else think Childress is terrible? Or am I in the minority?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
I want to believe he’s hitting the juice. Dude was outrunning some god players today.
And he’s a punter.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
most of these punters or kickers were something else in high school. they’re at least a little athletic and I’m not surprised that some of them are fast or can throw.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the hell does his high school days all of a sudden allow him to kick 60 yard punts with 5 second hangtime?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude was outrunning some god players today.
your comment had nothing to do with punts.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
…so? Punters are notoriously slow.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
one thing at a time.
1. so… I don’t know why you brought up punts in your second comment. your first comment wasn’t about punts, my comment wasn’t about punts. where in the world did I say his high school days had anything to do with him punting the ball?
2. Punters in general are notoriously slow. but, as I stated, many of them are much better athletes than you or me, so it doesn’t surprise that a few of them are fast. Also, I’m not so sure punters are notoriously slow so much as notoriously bad tacklers.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think this is true at all. I’m good friends with a kicker for a D1 college, I’m absolutely certain that they are recruited as kickers and punters right out of high school, then only the elite of those make it to the NFL.
Basically, I’m certain these punters and kickers have been since high school.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
for a lot of them, that wasn’t their only position. I know they kicked and punted in high school, but that was rarely their only responsibility.
for instance, I had a coach who kicked for Miami, but he had also been a corner in high school and was our DB coach.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sepulveda was an LB.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a couple of years ago, but the Bills punter Brian Moorman finished second in the NFL’s fastest man competition at the Pro Bowl.
It was awesome.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and then they ran a fake punt w/ him in the actual pro bowl and sean taylor almost vaporized the guy. it was amazing. (and legal)
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that was awesome.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It looked like Moorman got up to say something to him, but as he ran around dazed he thought better of it.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Japanese announcers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>British ones.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
Ninja Warrior is fantastic. I could watch that all day long. Its a nice mix of humor and incredible athletic ability.
by Dawg Nuts on Oct 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That show is awesome. I wish people beat it more often, but I guess that makes it all the more exciting when they do.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the very few shows I miss now that I have only basic cable. Also Unbeatable Banzukai (sp?). I love that pogo-stick is a club sport in Japan.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, when G4 puts up a marathon, I’m glued to the couch.
The one thing that po-ed me though, we that on one season they made the cliff hanger impossible and that’s dumb.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he actually went out and congratulated Taylor on the hit.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i know, but it looked like he was really pissed when he first jumped up, then he stumbled around the sidelines and came back on the field and congratulated him.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
it was pretty funny looking.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you hate to see a guy lose his job because of injury, but after watching Reggi Hodges juke someone out of their jock today, I can’t bring myself to go back to Zastudil.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he also give Sharper a good stiff arm?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He juked the hell out of him.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
PUNTER CONTROVERSY!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, Hodges all the way.
Zastudil is too fragile and ruined his chance.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. isn’t zastudil older anyway? why not keep the guy who is kicking well and will be around longer?
I’m a big Zastudil fan, and not a big fan of guys who tweet about Jesus; but even I have to admit that Hodges is probably the better option now. He’s been fantastic this year.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Really, you choose your favorite players based in part on religion?…oh, we should probably cut this conversation off now. I don’t want to get into a debate, just think that’s a little strange.
by dgcambridge on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I don’t choose my favorite players based on religion.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s definitely not what he was saying.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m beginning to think the Vikings would be better off with Tavaris Jackson.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
They were always better off with him.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not sure how you could argue that about the 2009 season.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
How do you know Tavaris couldn’t have done that? You can’t.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why’d you post a pick of Jenn Sterger and her big meatballs?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you can’t disprove “Jenn Sterger and her big meatballs”?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 24, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is most certainly not true.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, total pick, how was that legal? Oh well.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
All I saw was a cb on the ground and a WR running by him to know it was a pick haha.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Contest results have been posted.
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2010/10/23/1769009/mccoy-payds-ruyds-td-int-fum
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I want the Vikings to score so Rogers has to come back out.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I could use a Moss TD.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Harvin’s out.
Game over.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
that was an unbelievable almost catch. imagine mccarthy needs a new pair of drawers…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Positives.
We are better than the Viks’ and ’Boys.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
Hell yes, that’s a positive!
I’m going to have one helluva week! I’m so pumped right now.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
When they are supposed to be Super Bowl bound, we are better.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
have we heard anything about the chain gang guy?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
I read that he had some bleeding around his brain. Also, this is his 40th year on the sidelines, so I’m guessing he’s pretty old.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 24, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap, no way!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I really hope he ends up ok.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I can’t find where I read about the bleeding around the brain. Grain of salt.
His name is Al Nastasi, he’s a high school teacher and former college track star. He’s in stable condition in Neuro-ICU.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Oct 25, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
pleasant surprise, to me. i wasn’t expecting a ton out of him … i knew he was solid, but i didn’t think he’d be this good.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 24, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I felt the same way when Vegeta came onto DBZ.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What does the scanner say about his power level?!?!?!?!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
IT’S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally got it ;D
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He took a bit to get acclimated but dude’s beast.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 24, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, to SC, Arron Rodger’s winning press conference is not as important as Favre’s losing press conference.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
Sounds exactly like SC.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
several more reasons i don’t watch the four letter network…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would you inflict that type of punishment on yourself??
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh Jetblue. I wish they flew out of Cleveland.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They were showing Aaron’s conference and when Fvre’s started they hurried up and cut it in.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, you guys must have had a fun day today. That was a fun one to watch.
"Audibles Are Overrated" - Cam Cameron
You seem to be growing a soft spot for us. Are you sure you’re ok?
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if it helps, I still think Cleveland is a pathetic city and franchise. But seeing you guys beat Cinci and cause them to all have suicidal thoughts was amazing and I thank you for that. Add on top of that seeing the defending champs lose because of ints for TD’s, trick plays, fake punts and so on is always enjoyable. Just beat the Steelers next time.
"Audibles Are Overrated" - Cam Cameron
Way to keep taking shots at the city of Cleveland.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t there a TV show made that many consider the greatest of all time about how bad Baltimore is?
by Roger Dorn on Oct 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just beat the Steelers next time.
They’ll try I’m sure. However it’s far more likely they beat the ravens since the ravens are clearly, clearly an inferior team to the steelers. I wouldn’t expect you to know that though since you’re only in college…and being that young you have no real concept of exactly why your baltimore ravens ‘franchise’ is a piece of sh*t and no one…not even people who actually live in the STD capital of the USA (fact), should root for them.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw Brees’s press conference.
“Well, if you take away their defensive scores, we score more than them.”
Dude, don’t embarrass yourself man, just suck it up.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
especially since, if it wasn’t for that garbage time TD, that wouldn’t even be true.
Jake is my hommeboy
Yeah, and if he didn’t throw four picks they’d have been in the game. Man up Brees.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I lost some respect for him on that line.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
context, SB. you’re misrepresenting his statement and sentiments here.
Drew Brees early remarks on the game
We have now had, in those two losses, four touchdowns scored against us where the offense turns the ball over and the defense scores. What is so frustrating is in both of those games if you take those touchdowns away, the defensive touchdowns, we score more points than they do. We outscore them. I guess that’s another thing that’s so frustrating is that I feel like our defense has played very well in both of those games and yet you walk away having it really not even be close when you look at the final score…. All of that stuff you can throw out the window when you don’t execute and you turn the ball over. That’s the frustrating thing at this point is that we are working hard and we have good game plans and we just aren’t executing them.
We’re all doing a little soul searching. We know how good we are and how good we can be. And we’re not doing that right now.
Maybe I’m wrong, that sounds like a guy who knows he got beat, and is disappointed in how he hurt the team. Not at all like he couldn’t admit it.
context, SB. you’re misrepresenting his statement and sentiments here.
I’m not, blame SC. But still, regardless he doesn’t need to say that. The way he says it, it sounds snarky.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
30 to 17 trumps any and everything Brees could possibly say.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
30 to 10 + 7 in garbage time.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 25, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Saying that “garbage time” TDs don’t really count has always bothered me. It’s not like Rob Ryan was like, “Oh, if they score here it’s ok.”
Brees looked a lot shorter yesterday, didnt he?
"There's a gleam men, there's a gleam!" Marty
by Red-Right-88 on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He was sacrificing stops for time off the clock, it was clear.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
no question. garbage time td’s are not as hard earned.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Brees is taking all the blame. He’s saying that the defense played great and he cost the team the game. I admire him taking the heat like that.
And I don’t understand everybody acting like he’s doing something wrong. He’s a stand-up dude.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
Sportscenter edited the interview into a sound bite of Brees saying “if you take the defensive touchdowns away, we score more points than they do”. Which completely takes it out of context and changes the meaning.
Thank crappy reporting for the confusion.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 25, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Browns fans have used similar justifications for every close loss this year
I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Oct 25, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No only the losses where it gave the other team the lead when we were leading.
the Browns had the lead and the control of the game against the Saints for the entire duration of the game against the Saints, and thus makes it a different circumstance.
yeah, the licensed pessimist is just dead up wrong (in a shocking upset) on this one. it’s different to say “we would have won but for one play” than to say “we would have won but for 4 quarters of futility and poor execution.”
apples and bowling balls…
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Call him Rocland please.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhhh, this is Rocland?? i was away from here for about a year, and must have missed the metamorphosis. thanks.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Oct 26, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, all fans do. (Not all fans, I mean some fans for all teams.)
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s still a big difference when you throw a pick 6 while trying to make something happen since your team is losing, and making a bonehead pick 6 when your team has the lead and you really need to take care of the ball
I just watched the McCoy interview after the game and this really encourages me greatly…
“I think I was really seeing the field. They were throwing a lot of looks at us….but I felt like I was seeing it and reading it well.”
This makes me all warm and fuzzy over the kid.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
by Kimble_79 on Oct 25, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He is a class guy. If he has the talent – he will make a tremendous “face of the franchise” for years to come. Tremendous work ethic, fantastic football intelligence, uncanny accuracy, and intangibles off the chart. As much as I love Colt, he still was a third round pick with first pick overall intangibles. The reason he wasn´t selected in the first round is because he is shorter than prototype and doesn´t have a gun. Of course you could say the same thing about Brian Sipe. He has always reminded me of Drew Brees – I know that may be wishfule thinking – but getting his first win against Drew only fuels my belief.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
the way he talked about seeing all the reads was very encouraging. also, the guy is great at press conferences.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we finally have some depth at QB – I am quite certain we have the best 3rd and 4th string QBs in the league. Not saying much – but a start – and much better than last year. Is there any logic to going back to Seneca or Jake? I think it is safe to say that we are not a playoff team. Seems like Colt is already less error prone than the vets, no WTF throws. Why wouldn´t we just name him the starter and see what we got before next year´s draft? I mean other than the fact that is impossible for Eric to do.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I don’t know, 10-6 makes the playoffs most years.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, and in all seriousness – we should not rule out the miracle. Between Jake, Seneca, or Colt – who do you think would give us the best chance to pull of the miracle?
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
that’s hard to answer. colt has looked very poised and ready to lead this team. however, it is still only 2 games, so we have to remain cautiously optimistic.
jake on the other hand has led a team to a super bowl, so we know he can win big games. however, he hasn’t done it in awhile and has looked down right awful as of late.
I don’t think seneca is anything but a solid backup.
my “butch davis gut feeling” says we stick with mccoy and see what he has. finishing 8-1 would be an extreme longshot regardless of who we have at QB. let’s find out if the kid has what it takes to potentially lead us to the playoffs next year; and if he somehow does it this year, he’ll own the city of Cleveland.
These are my thoughts as well. Holmgren said he needed atleast 5 or 6 games to evaluate him. If things continue as they have, we will have a fairly high draft pick. Let’s see if we found our QB or not this year. I am not ready to anoint him the one yet, but he is playing safe, good ball right now. Leave the kid in and lets see what he’s got.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
They need to start selling Orange Colt McCoy 10 gallon foam cowboy hats.
by johnnyphoenix on Oct 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
this was mostly a joke.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Romo has a broken collar bone, out for 8-10 weeks… I also think I heard a stat that the Giants have knocked out 4 QBs so far this season. Damn.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Correction, it’s a fractured clavicle, recovery time TBD.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
He’s my DBN fantasy QB so I hope he’s not out too long. I had a chance to win today if him and Roy Williams both had good games but that chance is shot now.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 25, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s my UDBN QB too.
I’m screwed.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 25, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
broken collar bone
fractured clavicle
are these different? or you’re saying the recovery time is different?
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
one is 8-10 weeks, and the other is an undecided time of 8-10 weeks.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In human anatomy, the clavicle or collar bone is classified as a long bone that makes up part of the shoulder girdle (pectoral girdle).
I am fairly hog certain they are the same bone.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I can only agree it that quote is from wikipedia.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What other source is there?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
only fallible ones.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Oct 26, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Now is the collar bone (2 words) the same as the collarbone (1 word)?!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
… the something’s connected to the red thing, the red thing’s connected to my wristwatch…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Oct 26, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is broken and fractured. Fractured can mean he just cracked it, possibly not broken into two pieces. At least that’s what I gathered.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Oct 26, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to explain to me why the Giants give Brandon Jacobs carries. Yes, he just had a beastly 30 yard TD run, but I just don’t understand what he does better than Bradshaw.
Bradshaw is one of the best blocking RB’s I have ever seen. For a small dude, he brings it in pass pro.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 25, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Give Jacobs carries and extend Bradshaws career? Tiki Barber had to retire after only 9 seasons, might be paranoid.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
“had to” is a little strong for tiki’s decision.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 26, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
So… how about those Superbowl winning Cowboys? They’re on the verge of going 1-5. Now, I didn’t see that coming but I find it amusing that they’re picked to win the Superbowl all the time before the season and they never come close.
i love when people get upset about lerner being an “absentee” owner … jerry jones is about 180 degrees from an absentee owner, and the cowboys have exactly 1 more playoff win than the reincarnated browns.
by DontCallMeJoey on Oct 25, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry Jones football decisions definitely have a negative impact on that team. He’s not as bad as Al Davis, but he’s not doing any better right now.
The Cowboys could be great with a competent GM.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I don’t want the Cowboys to be great. Let LeBron continue to be pissed.
by emily522 on Oct 25, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Their talent level isn’t the issue.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yes, it’s the coaching.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 26, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I never thought they were a Super Bowl team. There offensive line was, and is, garbage.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 25, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
True. They waste picks on guys like Dez Bryant, traded a first for Roy Williams, and Felix Jones… all with no o-line.
It was funny to see Cowboys fans ecstatic over the Bryant pick.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I don’t think you can call the Bryant pick wasted right now. If he turns out to be one of the top 3 WR’s in the league then it certainly was not a wasted pick.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 26, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
They don’t have an o-line. Even if he has the ability to become a top 3 receiver, it’s not going to happen on that team with the shape that o-line is in. He has potential, but as Dorn mentioned, they have an amazing receiver in Austin, an all-pro pass catching TE in Witten, and another first wasted on Williams. Then should have drafted a lineman.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
That was a near perfectly executed onside kick trick play, just got a very unlucky bounce at the last possible second.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
So, after 7 weeks I think the best teams in the NFC are Falcons and Giants.
AFC, Steelers and Titans. The Titans are a gut call.
The NFC Sucks.
The NFC Sucks.
Yup. I’d say the Jets are in the conversation for second, and the Pats have to come into play sometime. But yeah, so far it seems the potential NFC playoff teams are not nearly as good as the potential AFC playoff teams. AFC claims the Super Bowl this year, I think.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
The NFC looks terrible this year.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s amazing to me that the Giants are in the conversation. The only time I’ve seen them all year was that Sunday night game vs. the Colts. They looked like the ’08 Lions.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
They’re 6-1.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
*5-2.
Still good for the NFC though.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 26, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to throw our next two opponents into the conversation, Jets and Pats are both really solid.
I would have to look who I picked for the NFC, but I believed I called the Championship game as the Titans and somebody.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
I know the Titans have C.J. to lean on but I’m surprised how well they can just plug in Kerry Collins for Vince Young or vice versa and keep winning.
by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 26, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they said on PTI yesterday that the top 6 teams in the NFL are all in the AFC, and those 6 teams (Pats, Jets, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Titans) are a combined 8-0 against the NFC this season.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 26, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Non-stop coverage of the team with the best fans in the NFL, the Cleveland Browns.
Related FanPosts on Dawgs By Nature
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
Follow DBN on Twitter
Browns Links
Local Media Sources
Official Browns Site
Orange and Brown Report
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Akron Beacon Journal
Browns Communities/Blogs
The Watercooler
Waiting for Next Year
Dawg Scooper
Dawg Talkers
Dawg Bones
The Browns Board
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
