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Browns Bring an End to Bengals 8-Game Division Winning Streak With 23-20 Victory

CLEVELAND - OCTOBER 03:  Defenders T.J. Ward #43 and Eric Wright #21 of the Cleveland Browns break up a pass to wide receiver Jordan Shipley #11 of the Cincinnati Bengals at Cleveland Browns Stadium on October 3 2010 in Cleveland Ohio.  (Photo by Matt Sullivan/Getty Images)

CINCINNATI BENGALS (2-2)
GAME #4 CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-3)
VS.
20 23


Victory, at last! Browns fans breathed a collective sigh of relief after Peyton Hillis' game-sealing run just before the two-minute warning in Sunday's victory over the Cincinnati Bengals, because it meant that for the first time in four games, the team had held on to a fourth-quarter lead.

I couldn't believe the number of fans who, after the team started 0-2 and then 0-3, seemed convinced that an 0-9 start was a real possibility for this team. The Browns have been very competitive in every game they've been in, including against the team the media is now touting as the best team in football (Baltimore) and the only undefeated team remaining in the league (Kansas City). Eric Mangini does have a tough schedule awaiting them, but guess what? We have a pretty tough football team too, and I'd put money on it that we're going to have a couple of upset victories over the next several weeks against the league's "top-tier" teams.

With that said, let's get to the review of the game. With the team's first victory of the year, we'll kick off with the game balls first, and the goats second...

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WEEK 4 - CINCINNATI BENGALS VS. CLEVELAND BROWNS (COMPLETE GAME REVIEW)

Awarding the Game Ball:

  • Scott Fujita: I almost feel like I foreshadowed this one in a way. When Cincy Jungle interviewed me last week, their last question asked, "which defensive player would come up with the big stop on the last play of the game?" I picked Fujita for his veteran experience, but in the back of my mind I had picked him because I was yearning for the former Saint to start making some big plays in Cleveland.
     
    Fujita had two game-changing plays on Sunday. First, after the Browns were originally up 10-0, the Bengals ripped off 10 straight to tie the game and were looking to tack on a field goal just before halftime. Fujita blocked the kick though, allowing the Browns to take over with 1:31 left in the half. Phil Dawson tacked on a field goal, making it 13-10 at the half.
     
    Then, after a masterful offensive drive to open the half, the Bengals finally got the ball mid-way through the quarter. On their second play, Fujita sacked Carson Palmer and the football came loose at the same time. Cleveland recovered, and tacked on another field goal to make it a 23-10 game at the time. Considering both of Fujita's clutch plays, he certainly helped the Browns get their first win of the season.

Goat of the Game:

  • Eric Wright: I had faith in the cornerback heading into this week's game against the Bengals, but that faith quickly went away with every catch Terrell Owens had. Owens is not in his prime anymore and was quiet against the Browns last year, but he had 10 catches for 222 yards and 1 touchdown. Besides the one 78-yard touchdown pass, most of that production came off of Eric Wright.
     
    Hat tip to kwoog for pointing this out, from Terry Pluto's column:
     
    "The Plain Dealer’s Dennis Manoloff carefully went through the game video and discovered that Owens caught four passes against Sheldon Brown, including the 78-yarder for a TD when Brown fell down. He caught four more against rookie Joe Haden. There was one off Wright — and on one play, everyone seemed to blitz and no one covered Owens." Link
     
    While I still saw Wright play poorly on the other receivers he covered, he must not have been the culprit on Owens' big day as I assumed.
     
    During the later part of the game, I started looking for Wright's jersey number before every play, and you could just see how the Bengals would shift a receiver away from his area to help ensure Wright would be on an island out there. The Bengals' playbook seemed to be designed around working against Wright, something that really hasn't happened to him prior to this season.

General Thoughts:

  1. The Hit: You know what hit I'm talking about: the one where T.J. Ward drilled Jordan Shipley in the end zone in the fourth quarter of the game. I don't want to get into an in-depth discussion over whether or not the hit was legal or justified, because I think the 1,000+ comments regarding the issue on this site have already been a bit overkill.
     
    In terms of my opinion, the NFL officials in today's era are going to call that a penalty every time, much like the Bengals were flagged earlier in the game for a hit on Benjamin Watson. The Bengals have every right to be upset that their rookie took a sick hit, but Ward was trying to break up the play. It's easy to look at something in slow motion and say, "he already dropped the ball and Ward still hit him, that asshole!" In reality, we're talking about Ward making a decision in less than a second to try to save a touchdown. You can't expect Ward to let a receiver catch an easy touchdown, so he tried to break up the play, plain and simple.
     
  2. Running the Football: While there were some instances where I still feel like nitpicking, it's great to see the commitment to running the football sticking for the second half. Take a look at the pass-run distribution for each half for the Browns (note: I include sacks as a pass play, and I don't include Wallace's scrambles as runs unless its a QB sneak):
     
    First Half: 22 pass attempts, 14 rushes
    Second Half: 8 pass attempts, 17 rushes
     
    While the Browns don't have a star wide receiver, I think we have some valuable targets in Ben Watson, Evan Moore, Peyton Hillis, and as we saw Sunday, Chansi Stuckey. I don't mind being a little aggressive in the first half with passing the ball, as long as we still give our running backs 10+ carries. What I love in the second half is the added emphasis on running the football -- it wears the defense down, eats up the clock, and allows you to possibly set up a clutch pass play off of playaction if you time it correctly.
     
  3. Third Down Conversions: The Browns were 6-of-14 on third downs, which isn't too bad. Two of those conversions went to Chansi Stuckey, a guy who I touted before the season as being the player the Browns should target in those situations. Jake Delhomme seemed prepared to do that, but Stuckey had sort of fallen off in Week 2 and Week 3 under Seneca Wallace. It's good to see him get back in the thick of things.
     
  4. Womack's Save: Don't forget how huge Floyd Womack's fumble recovery was in the second quarter; I almost gave him a game ball because of it. After Chansi Stuckey caught a pass and was making some nifty moves to get extra yardage, a defender poked the ball out. I thought for sure a Bengal would fall on top of it, but Womack, who had been trying to help block down the field, emerged from the pile with the football. Remember what happened three plays later? Seneca Wallace threw a touchdown pass to Evan Moore.
     
  5. Speaking of Moore: We need to see more of this guy. I believe our offense can be more efficient at times by just lining him up at one of the receiver positions instead of Mohamed Massaquoi or Brian Robiskie. He has only 4 catches this year, but they've gone for 111 yards -- that is an astounding 27.8 yards per catch. He almost seems undefendable when you run him up the seam unless a safety is there for help, which I imagine would open things up for other players. I'm tired of using the phrase "I want more of Moore." If there's a player that needs to be inserted into the passing game more, it's him.
     
  6. Hillis' Production: As I scanned the Internet, while the Bengals' fans gave Peyton Hillis credit for his tough, punishing runs, it seemed like they weren't very impressed with him because of his "low" YPC average (3.8).
     
    Well, here's a reality check: when your defense keys in on Hillis and he still punches forward for a yard or two, and when he's able to help move the chains on third down, and when he's able to beat your defense down at the goal lone, and when he's able to pull off a 24-yard game-sealing scamper to seal the deal, I think it'd be wise to give Hillis the credit he deserves. Hillis had 27 carries, while their past two opponents didn't surpass 20 carries with their running backs. When you know you have the offensive line that can get the job done, the commitment to the run is key.
     
  7. Wallace's Last Start: By the end of this week, I think we'll be discussing how we think Jake Delhomme will do under center this week. With that said, I think Seneca Wallace deserves a lot of props for his three-week stint as the starter, even if he was only able to produce one win. He showed off a lot of the intriguing skills he has and could probably do a decent job running this offense.
     
    While some argue that Delhomme makes crazy throws, go back to this game against the Bengals -- both times that Wallace threw toward Mohamed Massaquoi, I thought for sure the ball was going to be pick six'ed. Delhomme has that edge of going through his reads and getting the ball out a tad quicker, something that'll help our receivers make catches to compensate for the fact that they aren't great route-running improvisers.
     
  8. Cribbs Still Not Used: We saw Joshua Cribbs featured in three Wildcat plays. That's better than nothing I suppose, but it still feels like a weak attempt by Brian Daboll to mix it in without having a feel for when and how often it should be used.
     
    If Delhomme is back, we certainly have to go back to discussing how the Cyclone will be incorporated into the playbook. Now that Wallace has literally had a ton of in-game experience with the first-team offense, there should be more confidence in featuring him and Cribbs in the backfield for a change-of-pace from the less-mobile Delhomme.
     
  9. Field Position for Cribbs: The Bengals gave Cribbs five chances to return the ball on kickoffs, so let's see where the Browns' starting field position ended up being on those drives:
     
    -22 yard line
    -32 yard line
    -36 yard line
    -44 yard line
    -33 yard line
     
    We might be a tad disappointed that Cribbs hasn't gotten a return past midfield yet or "broken the big one," but this is still fantastic starting field position. To prove that, let's take a look at where the Bengals started after kickoffs on five attempts:
     
    -24 yard line
    -32 yard line
    -33 yard line
    -26 yard line
    -17 yard line
     
    Browns' average = 33.4 yard line
    Bengals' average = 26.4 yard line
     
  10. Roth Delivers a Pair: This is another one I foreshadowed somewhat -- if you read my preview post, then you should remember me asking for Matt Roth to step up and deliver some more pressure and some sacks. He did just that, notching two against the Bengals on Sunday. While the second one was a coverage sack, we still needed someone to get there, otherwise Palmer probably would've found a breakdown in our coverage again.
     
  11. Right Place at the Right Time: It was a solid game for Browns defensive lineman Kenyon Coleman, who recovered two fumbles. While it was somewhat of a case of him being in the right place at the right time, history shows it's not as easy as it looks for a big guy to fall down and scoop in the loose football. Coleman especially did a nice job recovering the second one, diving to the ground and then pulling the ball in toward his body for the recovery. He also had one of the team's four sacks.
     
  12. Corner Blitzes: I like the fact that the Browns brought the corner blitz often, but at the same time our defense seems to be showing their hand too early. I believe rufio mentioned this in one of his comments -- the Browns brought pressure, but Carson Palmer's internal clock was able to get the ball away to an open receiver every time. We almost allowed Palmer to develop a rhythm by coming so often but not getting to the quarterback early in any of the instances. Joe Haden was able to bat one pass down on a corner blitz.
     
  13. Owens' Smooth Move: While our secondary did a horrible job containing Terrell Owens, I thought he did a great job Sunday. I was impressed with his ability to make our defenders miss and get yardage after the catch -- it seemed like vintage TO to me.
     
    On his 78-yard touchdown pass, Sheldon Brown did fall, but did Owens' slight arm backward possibly have anything to do with it? Maybe not, but the two events seemed to coincide with each other and it was a good play by Owens. Him setting the ball down at the goal line is such a tame celebration if you consider what he's done in the past.
     
  14. Wallace and Timeouts / Audibles: Here's another disadvantage (or rather, two) to having Wallace play: first, he burns too many timeouts early in the half. As a long term starter, that's going to hurt a team from scoring late in a half or from being able to challenge a call on the field. There were also several times in which Rich Gannon pointed out the safeties coming right up to the line pre-snap, but Wallace couldn't/didn't adjust the play. In each case, the play ended up resulting in a wasted down basically.
     
  15. Bowens With a Tip: Early in the game, it was good to see veteran David Bowens get in there and tip a pass from Palmer. He's definitely not being used as often as I envisioned this year, but he can still help in spot situations.
     
  16. Special Teams Tackles: This week, rookie Joe Haden got in on the special teams action with two tackles (although he did have one false start as a gunner). Nick Sorensen also had two tackles. Rounding out the other tackles with one each were Mike Adams, T.J. Ward, Sam Aiken, and Titus Brown.
     
  17. Dawson & Hodges: After an 0-for-2 start, Phil Dawson has made four field goals in a row, including three against the Bengals. Reggie Hodges didn't get punts downed inside the 20, but I remain impressed with the distance on his kicks and the lack of shanks. While I'd still rather have Dave Zastudil, I've seen several teams in the league who have seen their punters perform much worse than Hodges has (that's not to say Hodges has been bad).
     
  18. Accepted Penalty: I hit on this big in the instant recap, so this is the cliff notes version: I cringed when we accepted the offensive pass interference penalty late in the fourth quarter, because I was that afraid that one of our cornerbacks would allow a receiver wide open. Even if the Bengals picked up half the yardage on third down, they could've gone for it on fourth down with it being a borderline field goal try. Thankfully, Roth's timely sack forced a punt.
     
  19. Chinedum Ndukwe: Remember how I said the backup safety had thrived against the Browns (from my preview post)? Well, he tied for the team lead in tackles at eight, and broke up a goal line pass to Ben Watson (the one that Wallace threw behind him and could've been picked). We averted the wrath of Ndukwe, but just barely.
     
  20. Brownies: With the Ravens beating the Steelers, the Browns enter Week 5 just two games back of the division lead...a worse-cast scenario would've been being four games back...nice to see Mangini smile and the team get their "yes, we got one!" win out of the way so they can build more confidence with a tougher schedule coming up...Sam Aiken had a catch, which was sort of random...thankfully the rain unexpectedly held off (those in attendance can confirm if there were any sprinkles).

Next up, the Browns take on the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are 3-1 and have some dangerous targets in Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez, but the team has had some difficulty living up to its maximum potential. It'll be interesting to see how the Browns end up doing, because we'll be at home again and I'm not so sure that Atlanta is any better than the team we almost beat two weeks ago, Baltimore.

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I don’t wanna be that guy and dwell on what could’ve been but…

The 4-0 Cleveland Browns has a great ring to it…

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Oct 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It was entirely possible…

Sad face.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass. ™

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, if they had pulled out just 1 of those first 3, we’d be 2-2 and optimism would be through the roof. For me anyway.

by dgcambridge on Oct 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I’ve thought about that as well.

by emily522 on Oct 5, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even a respectable 2-2. Oh well.

by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

when your defense keys in on Hillis and he still punches forward for a yard or two, and when he’s able to help move the chains on third down, and when he’s able to beat your defense down at the goal lone…I think it’d be wise to give Hillis the credit he deserves

Here’s looking at you, Ray Lewis!

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Oct 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

That picture is just so cool. Thank you to the inventors of no blur photography.

Unofficial DBN FF users, I will trade Sam Bradford, possibly Jabar Gaffney, possibly Miami defense for a RB, inquiry here.

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass. ™

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, I have 4 of them. Adrian Peterson, Pierre Thomas, Cedric Benson, and John Kuhn. I doubt I would trade Peterson, but the rest are negotiable.

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you (this also applies to SB) have in terms of WRs? I am not bad on RBs, but could really use a solid WR

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mario Mannigham, Percy Harvin, Ochocinco, Eddie Royal, and Nate Washington

SB: I just made a trade with StuckinPA for a QB, but I could still be interested in Bradford

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly, none I am a huge fan of fantasy wise besides manningham (they are probably solid players, just not my fantasy preferences).

Honestly, there are some nice options right now for the waiver wire in the Unofficial league, though I don’t want to blurt out who I am going after.

If I don’t get the guys I am looking for tomorrow, I might look for a trade. both my starting WRs have Byes. I have 3 others, one of which has a QB with a concussion (knox) and the other 2 I am on the verge of dropping.

Ronnie Brown has a Bye, but I have Fred Jackson Baby!

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither am I, ha! What can you do when you miss the draft though? Waiver wire and trades, until then you make do with what you can.

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly. I went to the draft, but so far, my draft was underwhelming (Ward hasn’t been good, Marshall has had one great game, but besides that sucked, I drafted robiskie nuff said, and Alex Smith has been my backup)…plus, almost forgot about the struggles of Knowshon Moreno

I am happy because I just noticed that I have the #2 waiver wire priority this week. not only that, but the #1 is aussie browns and its doubtful that he plays the waiver wire this week, even with that, because he has been excellent so far.

I got 2 guys on my radar for the waiver wire and if I get at least 1, I am golden. I also say fred jackson baby because of the Lynch trade.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t make the draft, but I found it funny that the team I didn’t draft for is nearly identical to the team I did draft for. I have Calvin Johnson, MJD, Javhid Best, and K2 in both leagues. I was dumb enough to think Favre would have a good year, so I drafted him in my CBS league. That lasted 2 weeks, then I grabbed Orton. Great decision I’d say.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually had an inkling favre would have a fall back to earth…bot not this hard.

Orton is always a solid, reliable fantasy option and starter.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s actually one of the best QBs in the league right.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. I haven’t payed attention to him this year, but you are right. I was more commenting on what you get at minimum from orton.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might just play the waiver wire just to screw your plans now…

by skipkirk on Oct 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do it.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

your plans are already screwed with, why should you care about mine?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha I was thinkin about it. My receivers are good though, so I won’t.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats your team name?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aussie Browns thanks.

by skipkirk on Oct 5, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only team ranked higher than me. Damn you.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

just out of curiosity, how does yahoo determine that ranking anyways.

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

First record, then points for.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

your welcome. were you serious though?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe not. Santonio Holmes is officially on my roster…

Though I lose the waiver bid on my backup plan.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Gaffney, Mason, just picked up Holmes, Wayne, Driver

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the Unofficial League? Isn’t santonio still on waivers until tomorrow?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I plucked him on the waivers but yes, till tomorrow.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you know you have him for certain?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, dunno. Just feel it.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way, how does the whole waiver number for that week work? is high or low good (I have an idea of which one is good, just not 100%)?

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so…and I am guessing if both people have a player as their first priority, the person with the lowest waiver number gets the player (I usually don’t play the waiver wire).

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I take it you wanted Holmes?

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly…he may be on my radar…we will find out soon enough.

Like any smart GM, I always got a good plan B in my back pocket.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plan B?

"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden

by Kimble_79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha.

Nope (especially since if I am correct in what I think that picture is, it would violate the terms of my probation).

plan B=another good WR I have as my next highest waiver priority.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who were the two CBs that Hillis took out of the game?

God, that is so awesome to say. Hillis took out TWO of their CBs!

I can't believe Cribbs was considered the second best athlete in Cleveland.

LBJ. Lying. Backstabbing. Jackass. ™

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Ndukwe and Joseph?

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Oct 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

On one touchdown drive in the second half, Hillis sent hard hitting Bengals safety Roy Williams to the locker room, then he proceeded to run over cornerback Jonathan Joseph and put him on the sidelines. The Browns want to be physical, and they now have the back to personify that.

Link

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gracias.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the Jets released 2 WR today. Anyone thinking Mangini will be looking at them and anyone know anything about them?

BTW – great write up of the game – so good to have a divisional W!

by browndawgbacker on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

We touched on this lightly earlier and the consensus was no.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear that. thanks

by browndawgbacker on Oct 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evan Moore

If there’s a player that needs to be inserted into the passing game more, it’s him.

I agree and I believe they want to and will. His involvement was derailed by the concussion he suffered during the KC game and he wasn’t cleared yet for the Ravens game.

by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, I believe he was active and did play against the Ravens still. He was cleared to play, although the concussion might have factored into him being less involved in the gameplan.

Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.

by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shows what I know. Definitely agree with your assertion that he could help the offense. Hopefully we will see more of him in weeks to come.

by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 5, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay! I can break out my Butch Davis era Browns windbreaker for a week & not get looked at weird….

by sleepy042 on Oct 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I came to class in a Browns shirt and hat and thought I would look out of place…

Hell nope =]

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, you gotta rep the colors even when we are losing. Here in the land of 10,000 lakes I am the only person not wearing purple and yellow.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This a million times. Even in the middle of enemy territory, hell especially in the middle of enemy territory.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been pleasantly surprised in Ottawa, Canada. I’ve seen two people representing the Browns while I haven’t seen a single other AFC North jersey.

by skipkirk on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in Indiana and I went to a Mexican restaurant on Saturday for lunch… No Colts jerseys, but one guy that had a shirt on that had the Browns helmet and something about him being a great dad. I was so proud.

by shep615 on Oct 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not surprising. The Colts aren’t doing so well and their fans are frontrunners. Atleast in So. Indiana I’ve witnessed that to be the case.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Oct 5, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was kind of odd, there were at least 5 other Browns fans at the bar rooting on the 0-3 Browns this week. This is not a big place, and it is in the middle of Colorado.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 6, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was walking in Venice and the only american kid that wasn’t wearing Abercrombie or Hollister was wearing a Browns jacket and Buckeyes hat.

TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Oct 6, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is me, but watching the Browns the first four weeks (while heartbreaking several times) has been MUCH more enjoyable. Other than the end of last year, I can’t remember when the last time was we had a fourth quarter lead four games in a row. Looking back, doesn’t that make it EIGHT STRAIGHT regular season games? I can’t help but feel optimistic!

by Nuclear Power on Oct 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

And we’re 12 measly points away from winning eight in a row. Progress.

"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman

by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And 2 of those games have been against the only undefeated team left, the Chiefs, and the Super Bowl favorite Ravens.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

…and if Tampa beats Cincy next week, a 3-1 team that beat the team we beat. even if its close, it shows Tampa bay is solid this year.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay has yet to beat a really good team (and yes, I’m counting the Browns). They got absolutely mauled at home against the Stillers. They are better than last year, and they do not appear to be pushovers, but I’m not sure I’m ready to anoint them as “solid.” They beat us and Carolina.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Oct 6, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not ready to annoint them a solid yet, but I am saying if they beat Cincy, I think we can call them solid.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you are saying is that we are solid?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

quite possibly…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can’t believe the Chiefs are the last undefeated team. You could have got million to one odds on that, I bet.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 5, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s interesting that the difference between being 1-3 and 4-0 is four FGs. The Browns are even with their opponents in TDs. So far, the defense has been bent but not broken. That shows by them getting the stops and forcing the other team to settle for FGs. Two or three more 3-and-outs in each game by the opposing offense and their 3-1 or 4-0.

And they still haven’t allowed a rushing TD this season.

TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Oct 6, 2010 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s one way to look at it, but I see us being two throws that never should have happened away from 3-1. I didn’t see the Ravens game

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I missed the Ravens game too but from what I gather we had the lead in the 4th at one point.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 7, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

We were half an old Eric Wright away from winning that game.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Oct 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve thought about this every game. We have actually scored passing and rushing TDs throughout these 4 games.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 7, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is such a positive stat for this team.

I don’t think anyone needs or wants to be reminded of the ‘08-’09 stretch of 9 games where we only scored 1 (meaningless) offensive touchdown.

by Monsters of the Midway on Oct 7, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

stretch of 9 games where we only scored 1 (meaningless) offensive touchdown.

That was painfully embarrassing. This year, pass defense and offensive play calling (mainly in the first two games) have been frustrating at times. But I can’t say that there is anything about this team that can be considered embarrassing.

TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Oct 7, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about this as well. Even if we go 5-11, we are a better team this year than last for sure. If we can get a franchise QB, we will be even better.

Remember, we didn’t get a rushing TD until week 11.

by emily522 on Oct 7, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, we didn’t get a rushing TD until week 11.

Oh my word…

by skipkirk on Oct 7, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it came to scoring last year, we were the 40 year old virgin of the NFL.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Oct 8, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. The close losses are very disheartening, but they are nothing compared to the “For this I dedicated an afternoon of my life?” games.

by JustBob on Oct 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am definitely one who needs to see it to believe it, but I am very happy with the Brown’s direction. One more good draft, a couple good free agency signings, and we might be back in the thick of things in the AFC North. If you had to pick the biggest glaring hole the Browns need to fill in order to be contenders in the division, what do you say? IMO, I say QB.

by nosey313 on Oct 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If I only could pick one it would be QB but it is a hard one to get right—proven good free-agents are hard to come by and picking one high in the draft is a risky proposition. If you look back a couple of years some big names have moved… which of the proven QBs in the NFL might be free-agents next year? Anyone have any insight on that?

Brownsyup

by Brownsyup on Oct 5, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB. No brainer. I like this QB class. Would love to get Luck.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 5, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll be lucky to get Luck.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do we go for Mallet or Ponder? I for one am not a fan of Locker.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im in Tally, got season tickets to FSU. Ponder hasn’t looked that great this season (or really even very good). I’m 100% not-sold on Mallet either. If we can’t get luck I’d rather just go for pass rush or WR early. Maybe trade down based on where we’re at.

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on Oct 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not huge on any of them, but I think Mallet is the next QB on my board.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 6, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see what Holmgren thinks at the end of the year. Holmgren knew that Bradford was the one to get this year. The way Bradford is playing it’s obvious that Holmgren was dead on. Passing up on Clausen was also the right thing to do. If they could’ve worked out the trade for Bradford, imagine how we’d be playing right now.

TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Oct 6, 2010 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we had Bradford we wouldn’t have Haden or Ward. You think our secondary is struggling now…

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradford was the clear choice at the time of the draft, even if you believed Clausen was a first rounder. There was a big gap there.

There’s a big gap between Luck and everyone else in my mind right now, but that could change if I look at a few Arkansas games.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Mallett over Luck as well.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 6, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in this camp.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m skeptical of both. And Locker for that matter. Is there anyone left?

by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locker is regressing it seems.

I like Luck out of all of them.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did just have a career day last Saturday though.

by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never fully believed in Locker. He is physically off the charts, but he isn’t an NFL passer yet IMO. If I drafted him I would want to sit him for at least one year.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Locker is Jamarcus 2.0: very physically gifted, just not a great quarterback.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in this camp.

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, unless Peyton Manning goes back to college there are going to be legitimate reasons to be worried about every QB.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not many people seemed to have many qualms about Bradford.

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard many qualms on Bradford but he was the only QB worthy anything last draft so no one cared.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was easily the best of last year’s group, but there were some worries. the one that sticks out in my mind is whether or not he was just a product of a spread offense and how he would handle being under center.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The injuries to his throwing arm.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, the biggest concern was whether he’d be healthy.

TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.

by dawgtribe on Oct 7, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant Luck as the #1, then Mallett. If there is a joke here I totally missed it.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, not a joke. I like Mallet

by Roger Dorn on Oct 7, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I think he is separating himself from the pack to become the #2 in my eyes. Luck is my clear #1.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we aren’t drafting high enough for him (I kind of hope that’s the case) we could always trade up. Ask the Jets how that’s working out for them (pretty damn well so far).

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mallet is a loser and a choker. He could be the next Ryan Leaf

by HenryDawg on Oct 6, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Locker is the next Ryan Leaf.

by StuckInPa on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he really that combustible?

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is he a loser, because he didn’t come through against the number 1 team in the country?

by Roger Dorn on Oct 7, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well there’s not coming through and then there’s throwing 2 ints in the last couple of minutes when you have a lead.

I could be completely wrong – he may be a great NFL QB, but I think the bust potential is huge.

I would take the plunge with Luck, or any other QB with proven brains. I haven’t heard anything about Mallet being more than an arm.

by HenryDawg on Oct 7, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against the best team in the country.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 8, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he’s not a winner?

“Heh heh hack ha hack heh!!! You tellin’ me this sombitch won a Super Bowl?!!!”

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Oct 7, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Winner

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Oct 7, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

please elaborate.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Browns need some Luck.

(I find this punny.)

by emily522 on Oct 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

SpecialBrownie retort in, 3….2….1….

by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

instantrimshot.com

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re only 2 games out of 1st place. We’re already in the thick of things!

… 2 games out of 1st place still puts us in last place, but hey! It’s a good week to be a Browns fan, so I choose to look optimistically. (every week is a good week to be a Browns fan, but this week it’s a lot sweeter than it has been for a little while)

by shep615 on Oct 5, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB, easy. But that’s half of the NFL.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 6, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank You Mangini, Hillis and ( especially) Ward for The HIT

Most of my employees are Bengals fans. This has been a great two days!!!

I'm Polish...what's your excuse?

by Juannieboy on Oct 5, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like we can, and need to beat Pitt in two weeks.
That could give us a very good start within the Division.

by discoinferno083 on Oct 5, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Haven’t we won 5 of our last 8?

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on Oct 5, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

yep. we are 5-3 in our last 8 with a +25 point differential.

Even if you go back to everything after week 10 last year (the last 11 games) we are 5-6 with a +8 point differential. This shows that even when we do lose, we lose close. the average loss in this time period was by 4.8 points.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We saw Joshua Cribbs featured in three Wildcat plays. That’s better than nothing I suppose, but it still feels like a weak attempt by Brian Daboll to mix it in without having a feel for when and how often it should be used.

Wow now. He just figured out how to use the run game decently… Let’s not get TOO hasty.

by shep615 on Oct 5, 2010 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

nominee for goat of the game, now that Wright has been somewhat vindicated:
Chansi Stuckey. He had a couple catches, but also had a fumble and an awful drop that led to an interception.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Oct 5, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t notice that….I mean I noticed both happened, but didn’t realize it was the same guy.

I definitely think he should be considered. He got lucky though. The fumble was recovered by a great play by Womack and the Interception led to the Field goal block of nugent. They were both terrible, boneheaded mistakes from what I remember but neither one resulted in points for the bengals…but only because his teammates bailed him out.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of Stuckey, needs better hands for a #3

by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 6, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot to blame him for the interception in my review. Not sure how I let that one slip by after my section that praised his third down efforts.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14085638/browns-safety-ward-fined-for-hit-on-shipley

T.O. is talkin some shit. Next game is going to be crazy.

Oh, and for anyone wondering what Colt thought…

“It’s a violent sport,” McCoy said. “We all know that there’s gonna be contact. Nobody ever wants to get hurt, and nobody ever wants to hurt anybody. It was a good hit. Jordan knows. He’s played receiver his whole life. There’s a chance that when you go across the middle, that you’re gonna have to take a big shot, a big lick, and he got one.”

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn I posted this in the wrong thread. I need a delete button!

by StuckInPa on Oct 6, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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