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I want to know about Turner’s Jekyll and Hyde career with the Falcons…

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh, I’m not worried about Turner. We need to be worried about who’s covering Roddy White.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m more worried about covering Tony Gonzalez.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

true dat . . . I am already having nightmares of Gocong chasing Tony G.

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Oct 5, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll probably match TJ up with Tony G.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the guy who popped Jordan Shipley?

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

man. he is already getting a reputation

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, I don't want to give him a reputation for one hit

Those have an unfortunate way of defining people, and I had never heard a bad word about T.J. Ward before that point.

That said, that was a brutal, brutal hit.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

brutal, brutal hit, but just trying to do his job.

They do have an unfortunate way of defining people. I was just jesting that already, he is being known as an enforcer.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that. Every comment I read somewhere else or certain articles are already calling him the enforcer on our D and that QBs should stop throwing over the middle when you play the Browns

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t feel bad about it. I love the fact that TJ Ward is being defined by that hit. I like it to get to this point:

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be more worried about White

He is dominating. His 7 catches, 100+ yard performance last week came despite constant double teams.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our D seems to be predicated on letting one WR having a field day (see Boldin and TO the last two weeks) while clamping down on the rest of the targets. Will this work against ATL?

by talonk on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can stop White, yes

If you can’t, no. Not at all. He will destroy you.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Roddy White preform better against the Browns defense than Anquan Boldin or Terrel Owens? Thats how I look at it. I think Roddy’s great, would love to have him on our team. But Boldin and TO are on another level.

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by troy145 on Oct 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strongly, strongly disagree

White is better than TO and Boldin at this stage of his career. He may not put up the ridiculous numbers Owens did, but he’s the better receiver.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 6, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Choate

by Roger Dorn on Oct 6, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Roddy is quickly becoming a top 3 WR in this league.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woah buddy. First he needs to kick Boldin off his throne. But that’ll never happen because his skills are so amazing.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

God forbid he ever get injured, because then he would become injury prone and would be disqualified for consideration in the top 3.

by shep615 on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boldin has only played a full season in 2 out of 7 seasons.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

At this rate, he will end up with 125 catches and almost 1500 yards in 2010. Put those #s in 2009, and he would only be behind Andre Johnson in Yards and just ahead of welker in receptions.

Plus, he has arguably been a top 5 to top 10 WR the last 2 seasons.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would've put him Top 15 as recently as midway through last season

He’s becoming something else in front of our eyes. I will say that he more or less single-handedly put the Falcons in a position to win last week’s game, coming back 20 yards from his route and stripping an interception from Nate Clements and then making three critical catches on the game-sealing drive.

He’s insanely good. We’re blessed to have him, no matter where he may rank.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree. He is definitely a Legit #1 and if he keeps going like this, will end up being a top 5 WR easily this year and quite possibly a top 3.

He was definitely a top 5 receiver IMO in 2008, but then had a bit of an off season in 2009.

By the way, What happened in 2009? I know Douglas missed the whole year, but not only did Roddy’s production drop off, but Ryan seemed to regressed a bit.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 7, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roddy’s good, but SF’s secondary is not. Not saying our is either. He’s clearly a #1 wideout, but I am not anointing him superman just yet.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you say the same thing about Vincent Jackson last season?

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 7, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our D Eric Wright seems to be predicated on letting one WR having a field day

Fixed

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

he hasn’t played great, but he wasn’t as bad as we’re making him out to be against cincinnati.

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

His assignment was Owens for much of the game. The stats speak for themselves.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not true, Owens got half his catches on Brown.

"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James

For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What can Brown do for you?

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do recall the catch where Brown tripped and fell over. I was unaware that half of his receptions came on Brown. I stand corrected. Our defense (as a whole) can be passed on. I should have known this outright.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem was the blitzes and the fact that our corners aren’t all Revis. If either one of those things changes, we’ll be OK.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone posted the link elsewhere on this site, but Manloff from the PD website watched the game tape again and said that most of Owens’ catches came while be defended by Brown or Haden, not Wright.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was dead wrong. Talonk was correct in his original statement.

Our D seems to be predicated on letting one WR having a field day

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why? We held K2 and Heap to under 50 yards. Moeaki have 58, but he’s proven to be a very good TE so far. We probably hardly prepared for him.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are only average at best at containing Tight Ends. When it comes to pure yardage, we are right in line with the league average. however, Football outsiders has us ranked based on DVOA. DVOA is kinda hard to fully explain so I’ll give you this

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

Also, Tony Gonzalez is much more dangerous than Heap or Moeaki, and has been much better this year than Winslow (who hasn’t had a good season). even K2 at his best, statistically, is not better than Gonzalez.

Gonzalez is having an incredible year and winslow has struggled. I definitely worry about K2

(another thing on the FO rankings. I dunno how much TB lines up K2 at WR, but if they do, he is counted then as a WR not a TE and plays less as a pure tight end than Gonzalez)

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony Gonzalez is a great player having a mediocre season.

by BuenosAires_Dawg on Oct 6, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is not having his best season, but he is still playing better than any of the TEs we have faced.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony G is not expected to carry the workload he once had. With the way Roddy is playing, and Harry Douglas continuing to develop with Ryan, that workload will only decrease more.

However, if teams overlook him, like the Saints did, he still has the ability to make it hurt.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will REC this every time I see it.

"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman

by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toast is complimentary.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo.

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is fantastic.

by Dawg Nuts on Oct 6, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a tale of two Turners

Against bad defenses, he’s the most dominant back alive. He eats up yardage, steamrolls everyone and generally runs wild. He can also do that against middling defenses.

Against good defenses, he can’t find the hole, seems to hesitate and generally doesn’t do much. It’s maddening.

You’re going to have to tell me which end of the spectrum your D falls on.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say we’re middle of the pack against the run.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say we are at least in the upper half.

When you are talking about run Ds however, we are definitely a solid defenses.

on football outsiders, the browns rushing D is rated overall (this is all through week 3. I can give updates when they edit it tomorrow) 10th in the league. The browns D-Line rankings are 6th in power success (the guys up front are good at stopping backs in short yardage situations), 6th in ranking in getting guys in the open field and 6th in stopping guys from getting to the 2nd level. However, the browns are 28th in stopping the guy behind the LOS.

These stats tell the story of what I have witnessed with the browns. As a 3-4 team, the D-Line has been solid at taking up blockers and the linebackers have been swarming to the ball. while the D doesn’t get great penetration into the backfield, the front 7 is solid and they contain the RB well.

Overall, turner I think will struggle, but Gonzalez and Roddy White will have a field day (we have trouble stopping opposing TEs, and we just get murdered by opposing #1s)

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh

I agree that Turner will struggle. We should lean on Jason Snelling, who seems to ride out tough defenses much better.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Snelling a lot (just won’t like him Sunday).

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its probably that compactness that Snelling brings along with his power.

In all honesty, you don’t have to have a running game to beat the browns right now. Teams have been beating us through the air. The browns have to cover Roddy white with all they’ve got if they have a chance.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be able to tell within 5 rushes

If Turner will have a field day (150+), be average (80-120), or crap the bed (less than 60).

If he breaks one for 10+, watch out, it will be a long day for Cleveland. Anticipate several 20+ yard runs. And the only way to stop him will be if he gets hurt.

If he runs between 4-9, worry a little, you will see more and at least one 20+.

If he runs 0-3, bring the shovels, there will be crap all over the bed. We’ll be lucky if he breaks one for 10+.

Like most running backs he will get better with more carries, wearing down the defense. But he will not turn 1 and 2 yard rushes in the first quarter to 8 and 10 yard rushes by the fourth.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about Snelling

He is not just a power runner like Turner. He is very good catching passes out of the backfield. Somehow he has more TDs than Turner this year.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Upper half to above average against run.

This is just me, but I don’t think we’ve allowed a 100 yard rusher in the last four games

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would you characterize the Falcon D? Reliant on stunting or bull rush heavy? Zone or Man?

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Oct 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see

Generally they send the front four, keeping linebackers available to cover the run or help out in coverage. Occasionally they’ll send one or two, but Mike Peterson is old and creaky and never blitzes. Ever.

Generally a man defense, but the safeties are asked to play some zone. It’s a hybrid 4-3 with a lot of different looks.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Hillis being the focus of our offense, I would anticipate seeing more gap blitzes from the Falcons—agree?

by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Oct 5, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. What are the odds that Michael Jenkins is active this week?
2. What kind of production have the Falcons gotten from their #2 receiver with Jenkins out?

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by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

One at a time

1) Jenkins is probably 75%. He’s missed a number of weeks and should be recovered enough at this point to at least play limited snaps.

2) Not great. Harry Douglas and Matt Ryan haven’t developed a great rapport yet, but there are signs that it’s coming around. Douglas is much more dangerous in space than Jenkins.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you expect to defend Hillis this week?

by talonk on Oct 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We'll rely on our front seven, with some aid from William Moore at safety

The Falcons are stout against the run thanks to their personnel. I’m hoping Hillis will run up the middle a lot, where he’ll be facing one of the best defensive tackles in the NFC (Jon Babineaux), a promising rookie (Corey Peters) and one of the best middle linebackers in the NFL (Curtis Lofton).

Please ask your OC to do that.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They tend to stay to the left from what I recall (but ask rufio for more info) behing All-World Joe Thomas, Steinbach and Mack.

by talonk on Oct 5, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve actually been great running to the right. I don’t recall the stats, but our YPC is higher to the right than the left I do believe.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to know

Mike Peterson is on the right side at linebacker, and he’s decent against the run. Not great, though.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hillis ran for 144 yards against the Ravens, and with Delhomme back your safety isn’t going to be able to come to the line of scrimmage on every down to stop him. If the Falcons are too focused on stopping Peyton, Delhomme should be able to make them pay.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to sound disrespectful

So I apologize if it comes off this way, but: Delhomme is going to make us pay?

Jake Delhomme?

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the hope, that he can at least make teams respect the deep pass. And the run game can only improve from there.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I apologize for being snarky

I just don’t respect Jake Delhomme’s arm or decision-making at all. The Falcons currently lead the NFL in interceptions, and they’re quite familiar with Delhomme’s particular brand of gunslinging.

I won’t take him lightly, but it’s fighting everything in my nature not to do so.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand. Delhomme isn’t that good. However, I think the basic point was that he tries to stretch the field. except for a play or two last week, Seneca wallace has pretty much been a dink and dunk passer. when you have a good running game and a good D, that can keep you in some games against decent teams. However, that allowed teams to put 8-9 men in the box and challenge Seneca to throw it deep.

With Delhomme, he actually may try to make you pay if you put 8 men in the box. he may throw a pick, but you do have to respect his arm going downfield more than you do Seneca.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love for ATL to take him lightly. Unfortunately, we really don’t know what he’ll bring to the table and if he’s any better than ‘09. We’ve only seen one healthy half of football from him (and he didn’t look too shabby). As long as he’s not throwing the ball 40 times I believe we have a shot in this game.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He actually looked pretty good for that one half, and all of the preseason (for what that’s worth).

I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.

by notthatnoise on Oct 5, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that’s why I didn’t mention preseason. Nearly every starting QB looks good in preseason.

by StuckInPa on Oct 5, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Trent Edwards did.

by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

pick 6 didn’t help anything.

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on Oct 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it certainly didn’t, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge his performance on one play.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes, but then again, theres only two or three plays a game that really worry me about Delhomme.

Moisture is the essence of wetness.

by troy145 on Oct 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s a thread on our main page that mentiones Delhomme’s best games last year (again, not saying much) … one was close, one beat you guys.

that said, not great games by any means, but your secondary wasn’t one that ate him alive.

i’d call it even, with both sides trying to spin things their own way.

by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • best games last year coming against ATL.

by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s actually looked like a real QB, which is more than we’ve had here in a while.

The Falcons will probably focus on our running game, like every team has thus far. In the first halves of games, we have actually been very good at taking the passing yardage given to us, be it Seneca or Jake throwing the ball. When we have been taking the passes given to us, we have had 1 big, potentially game losing turnover in 2/4 games.

I don’t really know what we are trying to do in the second halves. Also, Seneca doesn’t know how to count, apparently, so we’ll still try to run against 8 man fronts from 21 personnel. Especially in the second half.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t stress enough how poor that aspect of Seneca’s “game managing” ability has been. between the lack of audibles, the slow reads, the poor decisions, and the running out of bounds, I really don’t think the browns can win more than 5 games with him at QB.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can, we’ve been in every game so far despite this. He has really only made 2-3 awful decisions that I’ve seen.

That said, we’ve been in the games despite this.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your defense will regret underestimating Peyton Hillis. He’s an amazing running back. I don’t think it’s going to matter which direction he’s running, it’s going to be forward.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this. Each team thinks that Hillis’s last game was a fluke. He’s still an underdawg!

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams or Fans

I can understand fans dismissing him, but any team that does deserves to get run over by him.

Delhomme is a different story. In all honesty, stick with Wallace and let Jake be the mentor. Screen passes have killed us this year, not deep balls.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dislike Wallace more than most on this board, but believe me when I say Wallace is definitely not an upgrade on Delhomme, and I personally think he’s worse.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Colt McCoy

How did he look in the preseason? Is he close to being ready to play?

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a year or two away, I’d guess. His ceiling is probably Ty Detmer.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 6, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has a higher ceiling than that, but he’d definitely a year or two off.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that ceiling is actually pretty accurate. Both are short QBs and don’t have a ton of bulk. Both came from a high octane passing system in college. Both have average arms, and I think at one point, Detmer had some mobility.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 6, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked panicky behind center and like the game was moving too fast for him, it can’t be emphasized enough that he was behind our atrocious backup Oline though.

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For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colt looked like he was getting hit in the mouth during the preseason. He would hit his back foot and the defense would be all over him. He made some pretty bad mistakes in addition to this.

Jury is still out but it doesn’t look like he is our guy at this point.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had a pretty good game against the Bears.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 7, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true, but that wasn’t enough for me to anoint him Franchise QB.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we probably need to just see a little bit more of him. I mean… Just like we can’t really say Delhomme is good this year because of how he did in pre-season, we probably can’t say that Colt McCoy is bad because of how he did in pre-season.

by shep615 on Oct 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, he was playing behind a backup line that was getting abused. McCoy is a complete unknown for me.

by Roger Dorn on Oct 7, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I’m hoping, though.

by emily522 on Oct 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am slightly more pessimistic. The line absolutely crushed him, you are right, but he still made his own mistakes—ones that he must correct.

Lobbing a pass off of his back foot instead of stepping in to the hit and throwing a real ball, throwing out of bounds on the last play of the game, etc.

Obviously, he can learn from those things, but it wasn’t like he was great when he did have protection.

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by rufio on Oct 12, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you guys a 1 high or 2 high team? Just go with your gut if you don’t know for sure.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mack seems to struggle against 4-3 defenses. If Mack struggles, Hillis goes nowhere. I’m genuinely worried that we won’t be able to move the ball this week.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Pierre Thomas is back this week. I don’t think I’ll want to start Hillis.

by emily522 on Oct 5, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peyton Hillis is my Hero.

by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah I’m going to.

by emily522 on Oct 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

again, Hillis is a MUST- START until someone actually stops him. He’s scored every game, friends.

by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that’s great.

Thomas is out, Ronnie Brown is on a bye week, and Hillis is questionable. Hillis should start, but I have to start him along with Wells.

by emily522 on Oct 8, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean. I got brown to and Hines and B-Marshall have Byes.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not that worried. The Falcons will stack the box if they know what’s good for them, and we’ll need to pass them out of it. Or go to 2TE, 2RB sets and the “eff you we’re running the ball” offense, daring them to put 9 or 10 in the box.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

2TE, 2RB sets and the "eff you we’re running the ball" offense

I’ll take on of those, thank you

by 9James on Oct 8, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is really hard to win that way in the NFL right now, especially against Matt Ryan in a game that won’t be played in December in Cleveland/Buffalo.

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by rufio on Oct 12, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking

Brian Robikskie, Chansi Stucky, Massaquoi (butchering the last name, don’t want to butcher the first) and Josh Cribbs.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only name you butchered was Robi.

You messed up the easy one.

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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

How'd that extra k sneak in there?

Damn my quick fingers.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got Stuckey wrong too. Props for the Massaquoi one.

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by Chris Pokorny on Oct 7, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mass and Robi still play for Cleveland but I don’t know that they are “receivers”. Iwould have Moore, Watson first even though they are technically TE’s.

by browndawgbacker on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drat!

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by Dave Choate on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you tell us how the Falcons have had such good luck drafting QB’s in the last decade? They drafted three legitimate franchise QB’s in a seven year span. Please forward your answer to the Browns front-office.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Relatedly, do you regret the decision to trade away Schaub? Hindsight 20/20, do you think it was a good move? Even knowing then (as they obviously did not know) that Vick would go down and that you would then be able to draft another good QB (not as good as Schaub in my opinion though).

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 5, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ryan is probably better than Schaub. And has higher upside.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Schaub, but this. 100% this.

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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not yet, he isn’t.

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1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, not even close in my opinion. But obviously, Schaub has more experience and Ryan is still developing (as is Schaub but to a much lesser degree).

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 6, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kills me about Ryan

Is is inconsistent play. One week he is Peyton Manning, the next he is Derek Anderson. And sometimes it isn’t even week to week, but drive to drive. He had some terrible drives against San Fran, but then with a minute left in the game, he transformed magically into Manning again.

Right now, he needs to work on his accuracy, the elites are completing 70%, he is struggling to get to 60 in some games. And he will still force the ball to Tony G sometimes. It looks amazing when it works, but I scream and throw things when it doesn’t.

And our OC doesn’t always call the best plays to help Ryan out.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh you have one of those kind of OCs too huh?

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For the love of Joe Thomas.....

by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh God yes

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by Dave Choate on Oct 6, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for slamming DA. Sorry Chris.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

in reply to Ryan being > than Schuab

by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick was hard to miss on

Schaub was a great pickup and so was Ryan. You’re dealing with two different front offices here, but the Falcons seem to have some great scouting in place for quarterbacks. We also brought Chris Redman back from the scrap heap, and he’s been a great backup for us.

I don’t regret trading away Schaub, even though the picks we got back for him haven’t turned out to be much. At the time, there was simply no way to know that Vick was going to explode and almost take the franchise with him. It seemed like a savvy move.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2007

I was furious we traded him away. In 2008 and 2009, I was unsure, because it’s hard to tell when you have an established veteran playing well. And an up and coming rookie who has the potential to be better. Only time and hopefully a Superbowl will be able to answer that.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

MIchael Vick

Has a cannon for an arm, and runs like a cheetah. But his downside is, like last week, he gets hurt a lot and misses games. It’s a gamble every time he goes out there.

I don’t know if you can really place him with Schaub and Ryan because of that. It’s hard to be a great quarterback when your sitting on the sideline hurt.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally understand what you are saying and your opinion is reasonable and probably supported by most, especially before we started this season. However, today, I’d take Vick over either of them in a heartbeat. No question in my mind that Vick’s upside is still enormous and he has the potential to transition to run-first QB to great pocket passer with threat to run and become a HOF’er a la Steve Young.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 6, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly how I felt

back when he played. We kept hearing how he will “eventually” evolve into a traditional pocket passer. Unfortunately it never happened. He still takes too many hits, and he doesn’t have a big frame. And eventually defenses found ways to confuse him and limit his run ability. Maybe that has changed, and he is studying film and in the classroom. But if not, it will be the same old Vick. Electrifying at first, but turns out to be nothing more than some static from dragging your feet on the carpet.

I can’t argue with you on how he has performed recently, because it looks like he never missed a game. But someone has to beat that dangerous play out of his head. He is 30 now, and McNabb is 33, who the eagles said was past his prime and traded him away. If he keeps taking abuse he won’t be in this league to be traded away after his prime.

I still think the better choice long-term is Kolb, and they should trade Vick for some draft picks at the end of the year. Kolb with more play time will be a better fit for Reid’s offense. Unless Andy Reid is in the hot seat, the smarter choice is Kolb.

But, maybe I have some bias, I am a Falcons fan after all.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick will be a free agent, so they can’t trade him.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can franchise tag him, and then trade.

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by TheDriveStillHurts on Oct 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be an awfully hefty contract, but i suppose you’re right.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Jaws somewhere reading this? This is why it will need to get to the point where teams have 2 legit running QBs before the Oregon or RIchRod offenses can think about working in the NFL.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Mizzou fan I have taken notice that the Falcons have drafted two guys from the Missouri defenses. I have long argued with other Mizzou fans that both players were incredibly overrated and were guys I would not want on the Browns. Thus far how have Willy Mo and Spoon been playing for the Falcons?

by Roger Dorn on Oct 5, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man

Starting two games, William Moore now has 12 tackles, two interceptions, a forced fumble and two pass deflections. He’s been nothing short of electrifying back there…and this is after he missed almost all of 2009 with injuries. We’re thrilled with him.

‘Spoon missed last week with an ankle injury, but before that he was second in NFL rookies in tackles with a sack. He wasn’t lights-out, but he’s been starting and playing well for us. I’m actually thrilled to have both of them.

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by Dave Choate on Oct 5, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

To add on...

There was a picture of Moore hitting Derek Anderson in the cards game. It looks like Moore is about to split Anderson in half. That sums up how I feel about him.

I THINK (emphasize think, because there isn’t much to base it on yet) that our defense did miss him last week against the 49ers. He is a fast and physical linebacker who tackles well. Watching him playing, there weren’t many, if any plays where Spoon missed a tackle or the runner was not stopped so others could hop in.

They both fit in well with what Mike Smith wants our defense to be.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spoon also looked a lot more like a 4-3 guy than a 3-4 guy to me.

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by rufio on Oct 7, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see Snelling briefly mentioned above. But I was wondering, what’s the situation there? And what are you expectations going forward?

(This has significant fantasy implications.)

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Snelling

Was a seventh round pick in 2007. He had the chance to step up at the end of last year when both Turner and Norwood were hurt, and played like a #1 RB. As of right now he is our #2.

In terms of skills and attributes:

He is a big pounding runner who runs low through the hole, similar to Turner. He has a good change of direction and is surprisingly quick for a big back. He can break off 10-20 yard runs. However he does not have the same open field speed of Turner when he is 100%. He won’t gash the secondary like Turner does.

He is more versatile than Turner as he has been effective in the short passing game. And if our OC knew what a screen pass was, would be even better. But in terms of straight running, Turner is still better and will still get a majority of the carries.

What our OC does, and what we would like to see differ. I would like to see a 60/40 split every game in carries. We did that against the Saints, and they ended up with around 180 yards combined on the ground. Ryan added around 20 for a total just over 200 combined team rushing yards. I would also like to see more of them together in the backfield to throw defenses off.

What usually happens is more of a 70/30 to 90/10 split with Turner getting the bulk. And if Turner is having a big day that’s fine, but over the course of a season that wears on a running back.

by Whyte Bler 000 on Oct 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, man. More than I could have asked for, but precisely what I was wondering.

I’ll definitely take this into account. (I’m in fantasy trade negotiations.)

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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by Simmsinns on Oct 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to guess that this Bear fella went to Troy.

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by golanbatrac on Oct 6, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of angry eagles.

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by Avindian on Oct 6, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be friends

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by Dave Choate on Oct 6, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Thomas knows where you live….

by browndawgbacker on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

M.K. Cabot just Tweeted Hillis on IR with thigh injury – limited today in practice. WTF!

by browndawgbacker on Oct 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

LIAR

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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 7, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has a thigh injury and is on the injury REPORT.

Please don’t use IR as an abbreviation for injury report. It is already used for Injury resvere and when I saw this, I almost had a heart attack.

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by bross09 on Oct 7, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy crap! That scared me. IR means the player is on injured reserve, and unavailable for the rest of the season.

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by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+4 for the near heart attack… IR is a sensitive subject here.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Oct 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry folks – quick fingers and Hillis injury terrors made me do it – you are correct just a thigh “problem” but will still probably play Sunday.

by browndawgbacker on Oct 8, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the tweet I saw was from someone else and had IR, but apparently they meant report too – not reserve

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