Cleveland Browns Acquire DE Jayme Mitchell in Trade With Vikings
by Chris Pokorny on Oct 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT
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According to a tweet by ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Cleveland Browns traded a late-round pick in 2012 to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for defensive end Jayme Mitchell. Let's take a look at some background information on the newest member of the Browns.
Mitchell (6-6, 285 lbs), who played college football at Mississippi, went undrafted during the 2006 campaign. The Vikings signed him as an undrafted free agent that year, and he has seen limited action every year since. Here are his year-by-year stats:
- 2006: 9 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble (13 games)
- 2007: 8 tackles, 1 sack (10 games)
- 2008: Placed on injured reserve (knee) during the preseason
- 2009: 3 tackles (4 games)
- 2010: 1 tackle, 1 sack (2 games)
Here's what Daily Norseman, our Minnesota Vikings affiliate, had to say about Mitchell:
"I wish we could have gotten something more for Mitchell, but it is what it is. Better than letting someone that talented walk away without any compensation at all."
At least they didn't say, "pfft, how'd we get anything for this guy?" I didn't think the Browns were particularly hurt at the defensive line position, so this must be a player the scouting department had their eye on for whatever reason. Hopefully he ends up panning out like some of the other "bargains" the team has gotten (i.e. Matt Roth, Evan Moore).
There's no word on who the team waived to make room for Mitchell. If I had to guess, I would say Derreck Robinson.
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I’m all for grabbing young backups off of really good defensive lines.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
This is my line of thinking.
Low price, high upside. I’m in.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I like what someone on one of the OBR message boards said along this line:
The Viking’s are loaded on the DL if we was good enough to make their roster he’s got talent.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
by bross09 on Oct 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Said this same thing on another post. Add to that what Ryan’s been able to do with Rubin, Roth and Schaefering, and we just may have another good find here. There’s definitely a need for some youth on the D-line. Rogers, Coleman and Smith are in their 30’s.
Hell, if they have 9 more left, let’s get another one!
by theotherJimBrown on Oct 6, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
/longs for Phil Savage.
Kidding. That could virtually go as trolling around here.
by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t talk about Kwoog like that!
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured he was brought in primarily for depth. But I think the Vikings run a 4-3, so I’m not sure how long it will take him to work his way into the rotation.
If he’s a DE from a 4-3, it means he has to learn OLB probably. It could take him a bit.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He is 6’6’’ 285 pounds and isn’t particularly fast. I think he is going to be a down lineman in our scheme, playing the 5 tech perhaps.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Roth is 260, I’m pretty sure. I don’t see much difference.
But that’s USUALLY how it works, could be wrong in this situation though.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats 25 pounds. that is a significant difference. whats the difference between your average safety and your average Linebacker? about 25 pounds…but thats a different position.
Roth is already pretty big for a stand up rusher. Roth had good size for a 4-3 end. He is closer in weight to Kenyon Coleman than Matt Roth.
You could be right. I am also making the assumption based on the roster and his skills. He ran a 4.95 at the combine, which is 4-3 DT speed, but not edge rusher speed. We also have much more need for youth and depth at DE than at OLB.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I, I did my math wrong and thought 15 pounds. Fair enough.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Its fine. Its entirely possible that they see him as an OLB, but his skill set seems more like a penetrating 5 tech (like a Shaun Ellis or Trevor Pryce)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Roth is 260 after taking a dump that sets the standard for largest dump in the Guiness book of world records. I personally believe this is a hedge bet against Roth saying goodbye next year.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
by realmccoy on Oct 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC for most absurd and roundabout way of saying Matt Roth is more than 260 pounds. Plus I laughed.
by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is he is a DE for us.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Haven’t watched enough of him in games. My guess is probably, especially if he played DE in a 4-3.
Our base DEs essentially need to play kind of like run-stopping 4-3 DTs (different responsibilities, but that kind of size/strength/power against the run). If we can get someone who can stop the run like a good 4-3 DT and who can play pass like a 4-3 DE, we have Richard Seymor.
Without getting too much into it, the Belichick method is to accept some dropoff in one area from your starters (such as this run-stopping ability) to build versatility into your roster. That’s why I think guys with similar skillsets to CJ Mosley fit the bill; they might not be as good at 2-gapping as guys like Coleman, but they are better pass rushers and can sub in to be DTs on passing downs.
If your backups have different strengths than your starters, you have versatility for sub-packages and it lets you do more things.
This guy sounds like that. Maybe he can be a DE when we go to 3 down linemen, maybe he can shift inside to DT.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Looks like Randy Moss is being traded to the Vikings.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
…not like that will help Brett Favre this year.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Moss, Rice, Harvin and Peterson all on the field at once could make Brady Quinn look decent.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
or my dead grandfather who had his leg amputated below the knee. You almost don’t have to do anything with that amount of talent around you.
TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
Right now favre has 2 out of those 4, plus Shiancoe. Unless they are serious about giving him a long term deal AND are going to find the QB of the future soon (whether it be by trade or through the draft), it doesn’t make sense. Even if they make this move and get rice back, I seriously doubt they make the playoffs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah, but they don’t have a number 1 receiver. With Moss they have a number 1, and when Rice gets back, he becomes the best number 2 in the league.
And the Vikes are in win now mode. Have been for a couple of years. The QB of the future is pretty low on the agenda right now.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
Did that at a Hall of Fame thing for certain football players in Stark County and horribly failed.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 7, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Sidney Rice could give Favre a career season last year, Moss will certainly help this year.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
2009 Favre =/= 2010 Favre
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
2009 Vikings Receivers =/= 2010 Vikings Receivers
Which basically boils down to them no longer having Sidney Rice.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
So basically. 2009 Viks =/= 2010 Viks.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Favre is going to throw into coverage no matter what. The difference maker is whether he has a guy that’s going to bail him out on otherwise bad throws. Sidney Rice was that guy last season. I think the Vikings FO is hoping Moss can be that guy for the last 3/4ths of this season.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
This is the kind of trade that turns Patriot Moss into Raider Moss, I’m afraid…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it. “Raider Moss” was his own doing. It’s about motivation for him (which is a total douchbag move, but that’s beside the point). According to the report, the Vikings are going to give him the contract he’s asking for, and thus they’ll see a Moss that’s actually trying.
See, it’s not about Patriot Moss and Raider Moss, it’s about Motivated Moss and Unmotivated Moss. “I play when I want to play” should be taken quite literally.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
…So why didn’t he play when the Raiders gave him a fat*ss contract. The money isn’t what motivates him…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t tell what his motivation issues were in Oakland. We do know that he obviously has motivation issues, and right now he wants a new contract. I never support this kind of appeasement of a**holes, but Minnesota is desperate…
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
but wouldn’t giving him a new contract put them at risk of getting “Oakland Moss”?
How many times in sports have we seen guys who light it up, want a new contract, but when they get a new contract, don’t do crap.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Valid point. But, I don’t think it’s worth the risk for the Vikings. Hell, a douchebag like that, capable of going off at any moment, isn’t worth paying just on principle no matter how good they are.
That said, I expect the Vikings to pull the trigger if NE agrees. They smelled that Super Bowl last year, and want it really bad.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I totally agree. This move pays off for one year max IMO. They may sign him for more, but I don’t see Favre coming back at this rate.
If this happens, its a brilliant move for New England. They save tons of money they would have to pay Moss and they can use the Oakland pick to draft a future #1 (like a Michael Floyd)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I get mad that the d-bag represents WV. Ohio, I might see, but WV.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
I don’t know about where you live, but where I lived in the Northern Panhandle, it’s full of d-bags, but then again it’s pretty much just rural Pittsburgh there.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy Moss isn’t going to Minnesota to pout.
He is going there to do what he did at the start of New England.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 5, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I see it the other way but okay.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehh, if that was the case, he’d be giving 100% for his current team. He isn’t.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
He dropped an easy TD pass that was easy as hell for the Moss that would’ve tried.
That’s how.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he make a spectacular catch the week before? was that Moss not trying?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
…for now. Maybe he is okay for a year (and this itself is a large question mark IMO) but I don’t see him being okay in the long term in this way.
We also have never seen moss truly be a ‘team player’ and not be a distraction outside of the New England system. Childress does not run the tight ship Belichick does. Maybe Belichick was the only thing keeping Moss from being a problem (which I wouldn’t doubt).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
We also have never seen moss truly be a ‘team player’ and not be a distraction outside of the New England system.
B.S. Why isn’t he a team player? He’s pissed that he doesn’t have a contract extension. So was Brady. He could have held out ala Revis.
Randy Moss isn’t a choir boy, but he isn’t some kind of team cancer.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a distraction at time in Minnesota and he underachieved in Oakland. money didn’t motivate him there. Maybe he has matured, but its hard to say for certain how he would do without Belichick as his coach. There is a good chance he works hard this year, but its all speculation at this point.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
None of this addresses why Moss isn’t a team player.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I think it’s a good move for the Vikings to get more weapons for Favre. This will really help their offense this year, and I doubt Moss will be much of a distraction.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s 3 years older than when he started with NE though. I still think he has some left in the tank, but frankly it’s risky to trade for guys with only 12 games left on their contract.
And they only gave up a third rounder. I’s a steal of a deal.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
Yup. Even if it’s just for this year, I think it’s a good deal for the Vikings if he can help them get to the playoffs.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too. This deal works for both teams.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
You don’t think Brady is going to miss him?
by Western Reserve on Oct 6, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if the Pats had gotten a first-rounder, sure. But a motivated Moss would have made them a Super Bowl contender, and nobody they get in the third round is going to do that.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
-bross09
I guess I am saying they didn’t really have a choice. My take is that Moss was going to sabotage their season and be a problem.
Agreed mostly. Not entirely sabotage, but surely wasn’t going to fully engage.
Also, with or without Moss, they we’re not going to win a Super Bowl. I think Belichick knows that.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
supposedly, he was already causing problems and getting in the coaches faces. I also heard somewhere that he requested a trade in week 1 too. maybe he just didn’t want to play under belichick from the beginning of the season
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Their ability to collect draft picks is astounding.
Moss isn’t even that important to their offense, IMO. Welker is much more valuable. It will be interesting to see now if they have someone who can beat the 1-on-1 on the outside when the defensive attention shifts to Welker.
Moss was largely a decoy recently, but he was a damn good decoy.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
This might be an example of addition by subtraction.
TJ Ward... the cure for Cleveland's Eric Berry man-crush.
I don’t know, I think we are low-balling Moss a bit here.
by Western Reserve on Oct 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t really followed Moss’ attitude, which has always been his weakness. In terms of pure, physical potential, Moss is an enormous loss.
If the team functions much better without him, and they can find a guy to beat single coverage on the outside, maybe.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I remember reading at the time that his issues were: 1. he’s not a leader, he’s a self-admitted follower who needs rigid structure to maintain focus. The three ring circus in Oakland was the worst possible place for him to be; 2. He didn’t have any friends on that Oakland team. He was a country mouse on a team full of city mice.
I don’t know how true any of this is, but it at least sounds plausible.
"And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!" -- Marty Brennaman
He’s wanted to play with Favre forever, as well, so he’ll probably be happy to be with the Vikings and not cause any trouble.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
is Sidney rice the difference between Brett Favre’s greatest season is his career and his worst? you are really going to tell me that because the injury with Sidney rice correlates with this, it is because Sidney rice and once rice is back, he will be great again?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Sidney was the whole reason Favre was Favre last year
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that is ridiculous to say. Is it possible Favre was the whole reason Sidney was Sidney last year? neither one can be proven, but I tend to lean towards Favre creating Sidney because Favre has been that good before, whereas Sidney has never shown the kind of consistency he showed last year.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Not the whole reason. He’s Sidney Rice, not Jerry Rice.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are really going to tell me that because the injury with Sidney rice correlates with this
Uh, yeah! The Sidney Rice injury correlates with Favre’s play. The Sidney Rice injury correlates with Favre’s stats in 2009 and the decline seen in 2010 so far. Sidney Rice is the difference between his best season (‘09) and now (’10).
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
I don’t see causal evidence that Sidney rice caused Favre to have his best season.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Sorry buddy, I’m not the kind of person you can pull into one of these insanely long drawn out internet arguments over an unimportant topic. Generally they become dull, horse beating, hair splitting debates about the actual semantics of debate.
C’mon now guy, you just sighted a Wikipedia article on causation…
Try to remember we’re discussing our opinions of football while re-reading what you just posted.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Future reference, it’s “cited” and not “sighted”.
Sorry, the know-it-all dbag in me couldn’t help it.
"Quote goes here."
Thanks actually. I knew that, but it slipped my mind. You’ll find I make a lot of typos here.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 5, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for properly saying a lot.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:Hyperbole-and-a-half(Hyperbole-And-A-Half)
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
That was pretty good.
"My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character." - Ironic words from LeBron James
For the love of Joe Thomas.....
by North Coast Flea on Oct 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of The Oatmeal, but this is his old website.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
most of his comics are not grammar related, but here is another one. This one is about the difference between “i.e.” and “e.g.”
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/ie
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
and my opinion is that the evidence points to Favre creating Sidney Rice. Rice never had a season even remotely close to 2009. Statistically, 2009 was 3 times better than his next best statistical season and he was coming off a season where he did virtually nothing.
Brett Favre is a future HOFer and was coming off a solid season (that was great until the end when he was hurt). Brett Favre in 2009 had over 4000 yards, 30 touchdowns, a 63 completion %, at least 7 yards per attempt, and over a 90 QB rating.
That is a great season, but he has completed those tasks 5, 8, 7, 8, and 8 times respectively. He has in fact, completed all 5 tasks (4000, 30, 63%, 7ypa, and 90QBrtg) 2 other times in his career; 2004 and 1995. Was he really THAT much better in 2009 and 1995? statistically, no. He also didn’t even have as much talent with his weapons and relied much more than on spreading it around.
So you want to talk football? I see no causal reason why you can say that Favre’s season was pretty much all credited to Rice. Rice never performed like that before in his life, whereas Favre performed at similar levels multiple times in his career.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Is this considered talking football?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
by Simmsinns on Oct 5, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How did your teams fall out this weekend in your fantasy leagues?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
He was convincingly crushed by me
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice! If Vick is out for a while I may be up sh$% creek without a paddle.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
Bradford is doing awesome right now…
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, question is what do you want for him?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
Whatcha got?
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm.. well my testicles and spine were given away after marriage. Beyond that, you’ll have to check out who’s on my team.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
Straight up for Vernon Davis.
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you your pick of any of my quarterbacks (McNabb/Sanchez/Hasselbeck) and Jonathan Stewart for Cedric Benson.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
You’re getting fleeced.
You’re going to have no legit TE to replace Davis with. And if Vick makes it back, you’d have traded away a key piece for a short rental QB.
J Stewart would have replaced a starter with a start, just a minor downgrade and you get a choice of three QBs in the same caliber if not higher than Bradford.
Oh well, I understand if you don’t want to do that trade, but Davis is a loss I’m certain you’ll regret.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Maybe, I just don’t think I’ll miss Davis as much as I would Benson. I can always swap someone Freeman or Bradford for a serviceable TE later if need be.
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."--John Madden
its no less talking about football than what you were saying about Sidney Rice in your comment at 10:23 EDT
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You can link comments like this.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
well…doing that doesn’t help because it doesn’t give an explanation.
Plus, I never learned how to make a link and make it appear by pressing certain words (like a hyperlink in word) instead of just pasting the URL
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Highlight the words that you want to create the link with and click on the link picture next to the quotes. Enter the URL in the box that pops up and you have your link.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
No, like this.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I was asking about how to make a link to an outside link
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Oh, I see. My mistake.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Longcat, meet Sidneycat
Peyton Hillis is my Hero.
by SpecialBrownie on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply saying 1 player made another during a season is a crap argument. There are other players and coaches in MN besides the Favre show. The TEAM and PLAY CALLING helped them both to achieve a great season. Throw in a little AP to spread the defense and suddenly Favre and Rice have more opportunity.
by browndawgbacker on Oct 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. lets not forget Favre has never had a RB that I can think of, of the magnitude of Peterson.
I dunno how much is due to playcalling, because Favre does audible a decent amount.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
There are other players and coaches in MN besides the Favre show. The TEAM and PLAY CALLING helped them both to achieve a great season. Throw in a little AP to spread the defense and suddenly Favre and Rice have more opportunity.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
pink. and an O. Sure this isn’t a pic of Orgamso?
by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i find this tough to belive, or envision.
what the heck would they have to give to get Moss?
by discoinferno083 on Oct 5, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess a second rounder. Damn Belichek, they already have Oakland’s first and I think Carolina’s second.
and now Minne’s third.
seems like cheap stuff to me.
I’m always amazed at draft round value compared to a current player’s talent.
never seems to add up for me.
by discoinferno083 on Oct 6, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
A third actually seems more reasonable when they are going to get at most 2 or 3 more years out of the guy.
that’s awesome, no doubt about it. But it’s not like they haven’t given away extremely talented players to do it.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t assume contract extension when making trades though. They are trading 12 games (plus playoffs) of Moss for a 3rd round pick.
I should elaborate…it’s a consideration for the acquiring team, but it doesn’t affect the trade value positively for the team trading away the player if a new deal is going to be worked out. Similar to in baseball, guys that are in the last year of their deal will require less to acquire then guys that have a few years left. See: Kamerion WImbley
I wasn’t including the whole contract situation. I understand they were only getting a year on the contract. I meant in his career. As in, they are trading for a guy who’s career is probably going to be over in a couple of seasons.
Interesting
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by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
What is up with your font/weird grey highlighting lately?
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Injury issues?
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So the Browns trade a late 2012 pick for a young potential 5-technique…
We needed some youth and depth on the defensive line so I’m all for it.
Let’s see what this kid can do. He must be pretty decent to make the team as a Viking D-lineman.
I think Rogers is likely to stay put at NT, barring injury/depth issues.
No chance. They have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds next year, one of them being the Raiders first. Something tells me they’ll find a good receiver there.
why not? send them a 3rd get a elite WR that can help them TY (yes i know he’s got a high ankle sprain). suck the talent out him like a vampire & send him away for a 4th in a few years. he’ll play hard for a super bowl contender. belichick has already seen him from the super bowl game a few years ago. i mean seriously who would you play for clausen or brady?
If they wanted an old disgruntled receiver they could have kept Moss, he’s better anyway.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
They’d be smarter to use that pick on defense. Sure, they’re sitting fine at 3 and 1, but that defense has still seen quite the implosion since 2007.
They are now bottom 10 in points allowed, also bottom 5 in total yards allowed and passing yards allowed. Stats that they were among the top of league in 2007.
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You really think they should use 8 picks in the first three rounds of a single draft on defense? I think they’d be crazy not to be looking for a replacement for Moss and a replacement for Mankins.
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Four rounds, that is.
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Think how stellar of a defense that would be though…
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was referring to finding a receiver with the Raiders first round pick. I was saying that pick would be better spent on defense. They won’t win a Super Bowl with the defense they have now.
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There defense hasn’t been good, but with the loss of mos, they have more talent on D than at the WR position. Is welker really a #1 receiver and Brandon Tate a #2 (or taylor price a #2)?
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Is welker really a #1 receiver
Welker does what he does at the slot amazingly well, they’ll likely leave him there. But he can totally be a legit #1 in targets on that offense.
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He possibly can be a #1 when it comes to targets, but that doesn’t mean he can take on a #1 CB
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
They question should be, can #1 CBs take on Welker?
Welker in the slot is going to be harder than a lot of good #1 wide receivers.
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I am more thinking Welker lining up outside of the slot. a #1 CB guarding him in the slot would be interesting. I was just generally thinking of welker playing where moss would be playing and going against a #1
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
that is my basic point. I don’t think he would do that well lining up on the outside instead of the slot.
Welker is 5’9’’ 185 pounds with a 36 inch vertical leap out of HS. Then again, Steve Smith (panthers) is 5’9’’ 185 and had a 38.5 inch vertical leap
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It would be incredibly dumb for them to move him out of the slot and expect him to replace Moss as not only #1, but also in receiving style. And I don’t think they will.
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Prediction: this will not even come in to play because Welker won’t be outside.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I heard people speculating this morning that they may use some of those picks to get Vincent Jackson from the Chargers. They’re going to need help at WR this year if they want to make a playoff run because I have a feeling that Welker’s production is going to fall now that Moss isn’t on the field.
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by Buckeye Brad on Oct 6, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. Not nearly as scary as Brady – Moss circa 2007. Once you’ve seen that every other modern day combo is just… less astonishing.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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I understand Moss is really good, but I feel there are more than a few #1 WRs that could look spectacular with Brady throwing to them.
I’m not sure if it’s true any more, but circa 2007, Randy Moss was still the best WR in the NFL when he wanted to be. just my opinion though.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
I’d love to see VJ in New England, just so we could know if it was Moss or Brady. It was most likely a combination of both, but Tom Brady is still one of the best QBs in the league now, if not ever.
Definitely a combination of both players amazing skill, but also hugely because they knew the defenses plays, as I mention below.
Also, any year of Vincent Jackson (past, present or future) isn’t even close to Randy Moss in his prime.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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It usually works better when they know the coverage and can audible to proper blitz protection, having memorized the opposing defenses signal calling.
Now that they can’t pull that off anymore, we won’t see any of Brady’s receivers match 2007 Moss.
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In no way do I think any of his current receivers will match 2007 Moss. You are 100% correct. But what I’m saying is if he had another player of Moss’ caliber, say Calvin Johnson or Vincent Jackson, I think he could make them look as good.
I also don’t think VJ is the same caliber as Moss or Calvin.
Some might remember from past discussions, I don’t think VJ is nearly as good as some other people on this blog. Tier 2.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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I would cite someone like Andre Johnson or Larry Fitz for someone that would be interesting on New England. Of course neither of those 2 would ever end up on the Pats.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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weren’t they busted the year before though?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
Right you are. I retract my statement about it affecting the 2007 amazing Brady Moss combo.
It did, however, win them Super Bowls.
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I agree with your last sentence. Maybe they could have done it without cheating, but they didn’t, so as far as I’m concerned those Super Bowl victories are illegitimate.
I also think it would be ridiculous to believe they only did it for one game or whatever they claimed. I find it especially suspicious that the league destroyed the evidence.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough.
They just gave it to the Saints, pretty obvious.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 6, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always assumed if the real, whole truth were made public, they’d have had to go back and completely strip the Super Bowl wins. What about the stats, the historical implications… it was all too much for the NFL to deal with. So instead they slapped them on the wrist, harder they’ve ever slapped before, but a wrist slap nonetheless. Then went on their way, business as usual.
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“didn’t tape the rams walkthrough” my ass.
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by notthatnoise on Oct 7, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
LB or DE
On the way in to work WTAM mentioned the trade in a newsbreak & said we traded a pick to MN for a LB.
I thought “Don’t we have enough already” ,so I’m assuming he is gonna play at DE.
what are the possiblity of Rogers getting traded by the trade deadline for a pick in next years draft and have this kid move to a number 2 on our depth chart on DE…just a thought cuz Rogers is getting up there in age and has been injured for most of this year and the end of last year…what do you yall think
2 or 3 years ago this would have been ridiculous, but I don’t think Rogers will be around for the super bowl run, and he hasn’t exactly been a beast when he could play this year, so I wouldn’t be opposed. Assuming we get good value of course.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
I would trade Rogers for Kolb.
Other than that, if it isn’t a first or second rounder, no deal. I doubt we get that for him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Oct 6, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be sad to see Rogers go before his contract is up (when, i have no idea).
his upside (size, athleticism, blocking kicks) alone makes him enough to reserve a spot for. (see this pre-season)
by discoinferno083 on Oct 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am surprised if Mitchell has the athleticism to play OLB at his size. That is a big dude. But if Mangini says he might play some OLB, I am intrigued.
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Yep. Don’t doubt me.
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by SpecialBrownie on Oct 7, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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