Instant Recap: Browns Suffer Tough Overtime Loss to Jets

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If he was there, I’d take him. He’s a guy that plays every down. Good blocker.

i would like to see someone like jonathan balwin, i also wish blackmon was eligible this year. that guy i think is better than green

It isn’t a problem if you throw when the other team covers him with a LB and you run when they cover him with a CB. If he can’t block corners I’d be very, very surprised.

What game were you watching? The Jets pushed us all over the field in the second half. They did everything but hand us the game there.

Y’all will be back man, don’t worry. You’re Texas. You have Mack Brown. Be glad that a re-loading year doesn’t mean a painful 1-15 with no hope of winning most of your games (some Browns years).

This is absurd. Our defense was on the field for 47 minutes.

I disagree. He hasn’t played great, but his worst games are when a team is so deep at WR that their #3 WR is a threat. He has been much better than early on in the season and if we can keep him as a #2/#3 CB, he isn’t particularly bad. for that role, he is actually a bit above league average IMO

His contract expires, there won’t be any cutting.

Don’t really agree, the defense was on the field so much more because of the Jets having a 10 minute drive and a 7 minute drive.

the loss goes to both sides, we couldnt stop the offense on third and longs like we have been, and our offense seemed like it took the second half off till the last drive in the fourth

Did Eric Wright run over your dog? You seem to have a real thing with him.

wasn’t even facing his man (prior to the play starting)… playing like, 10 yards off his man….

This isn’t his choice, it is the technique we use in the coverages we were in. A lot of teams do this. This isn’t Wright, this is the defense.

Ward whiffed on Santonio to lose the game, he didn’t make that play when it counted (all plays count).

You are supposed to pay attention 100% of the time.

However, when CBs are in a deep zone (C3, maybe C4, maybe some sort of inverted C2, C6 or whatever you call quarter-quarter-half) they are sometimes coached to watch the QB, not the WR. You might see them line up tight on the WR, then “bail” soon after the snap. Many coaches have their CBs sort of shuffle facing in toward the middle of the field, eyes on the QB and “feeling” the WR with their peripheral vision while staying over the top of them and not getting beat deep.

This allows the DB to see the QB make the throw, which helps in jumping routes and creating turnovers.

I am not 100% sure how the Browns are coached to do it because I am not in their practices, but Saban (also Bill B coaching tree) has the CBs in C3 read the outside WR first (again, “feeling” them, looking at the QB). If that receiver (called #1) breaks inside, he is to read #2 (2nd receiver in) and keep bailing if #2 pushes vertical. So if you have any sort of slant/shallow in/shallow crossing route by that outside WR and any vertical stem (go, corner, post, deep in/out, etc) by #2, the CB will look like he is looking at the QB and not paying attention to #1, who is running away from him.

Now, both Wright and Haden didn’t do a good enough job of squeezing their receivers while playing this technique against the Jets. There were too many times where the WR would have the time to run a comeback route and Wright or Haden would be playing too soft over the top to be able to break with the WR and make contact when the ball arrived.

exactly my point. he just got greedy and it cost us later

Yea but there was no reason for him to NOT go for the yards. It’s 20/20 vision; there was time left, he was on the sidelines and he had the opportunity. Hillis had just as much of a chance at fumbling running up the gut as he had

We would have had at least 3 more downs to get more yards before kicking a field goal.

And Dawson would have nailed it. And that’s not hindsight; that’s foresight — for an event that never happened nor ever will. So, how about dem apples?

No, I misunderstood.

My bad.

He also demands attention from the Defense. See how much better the Jets D started playing after he went out.

The fact that Cribbs & Stuckey look like our best pair is a worry. MoMass is nice to have in the mix I guess but I’d like 2 good starters ahead of them all.

If Robiskie doesn’t come up with something amazing in the last 8 games I can’t see him coming back.

What do you mean free up Momass? He isn’t getting double teamed

only WR

All I meant is that its kind of pointless to do these “what ifs” because really both teams were given a lot of chances to “seal” the game. We didn’t do it, but we never gave up and stayed competitive with an excellent team. Gives me hope, which is an unfamiliar feeling as a Browns fan.

Yes, this was it. Right in between 2 defenders. This is what they call “an NFL throw”.

He can throw it. How accurately is the question.

I am not really worried about his ability to throw frozen ropes into coverage on the last play of the game a la Favre. If we are in that situation, oh well. I think there is a lot of improvement to be made in terms of recognizing to some extent the coverage before the snap, knowing how our play can beat those coverages, making a few more reads after the snap, and anticipating/throwing the intermediate throws as the receivers opens up, not after he opens up.

You would expect him to be able to get better at this with more time in the offense, reps with our specific receivers, and game experience—I am not too worried about his physical ability. That said, only time will tell.

You have to be an idiot to criticize a coach for going for the win instead of throwing the flag for a tie. Really?

Agree. Again, its easier to criticize in hindsight.

Amen.

Exactly.

Yes.

To quote Mangini on this weeks starter, “we are moving in that direction and have been moving in that direction for some time. We like what we have seen (game tying drives, impeccable composure against the leagues toughest defenses), but we’ll see how Jake (carrying a clipboard) and Seneca (emotionless, on the sideline) do in practice, but, yeah, that is a direction we are moving in.”

I think it matters what he says to the media. If he doesn’t name McCoy as the starter to the media in the next couple of days I think Holmgren should either force the issue with him, or Holmgren needs to make his own statement to the media naming McCoy as the starter.

Holmgren coming down and naming Colt as the starter would be a huge disservice. It would show a lack of faith in his coach and could get players and fans to second guess all his decisions.

It matters to the fans, and perhaps most importantly it matters to Colt McCoy.

The fans will still live, and be watching next week, and I said this before, but if Colt can’t handle not being immediately named the starter he has no place being in the NFL. He’s a tough kid, he can take it.

I think it matters what he says to the media.

I disagree 100%. I could give a rats ass about what he tells to the media. the only thing that matters is:

a) who he ends up playing
b) who he announces to the team.

It matters to the fans, and perhaps most importantly it matters to Colt McCoy

Well…If he announces Colt the starter to the team, and gets the team behind him, why should it matter to McCoy? Yes, we are the paying fans, but although his job does involve PR, his main duty is to win football games and if this can help us win against Miami, why not?

I think it matters what he says to the media.

Make a coherent point for this. I don’t give a damn what he says to the media as long as he feels it is giving us the competitive advantage.

McCoy doesn’t want recognition, he wants to win football games and help the team.

I think Rex told him to cut the sh-t out when he made him the “captain for the game.”

more than one. I remember a couple at least.

That aside, this was my first time here, and after GGN (I am biased of course) this is probably the coolest site on SBNation. I usually “lurk” around the page of whoever the Jets are playing that week just to get some outlook from the other side and it is usually nonsensical homerism or vitriolic attacks. You guys have more of a personal reason to come after “my” team (the Edwards thing) but have been, by and large, level headed and informative.

I wish the Browns the best of luck, but I don’t think they need it. Luck has been against you guys for a long time and you are turning it around anyway.