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Browns coach Eric Mangini said QB Jake Delhomme is back at 100 percent. If McCoy can't play vs. Panthers, Delhomme might face former team.

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Never in my life have I ever wished for another mans ankle to be okay.

My sanity can’t take another Jake Delhomme sighting.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2010 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

I just puked in my mouth a little.

by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 22, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

Are we about to return to Plan A?

by Western Reserve on Nov 22, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

I’m all for it.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Nov 22, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I am too. I don’t think he’s shown us any sign that, when healthy, he isn’t as good as Wallace.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign me up. If McCoy can’t go, I’ll take Delhomme.

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh.

I feel like when Delhomme is on the field he does more to hurt this team than help it.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 22, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

I think when Delhomme was on the field and healthy (just under two quarters) he seemed to be doing okay. I’m not ready to rate him on his being put in the game injured. At this point I think I would rather see what he can do than watch Wallace overshoot receivers down the sideline all day. My biggest worry is that he might force throws in an effort to show his old team they made a mistake.

by JustBob on Nov 22, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme isn’t a starting QB in the NFL anymore.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 22, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be on Sunday . . . .

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy throws interceptions. He’s like an older Derek Anderson.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 23, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions  

When he starts throwing them when he is healthy, we will be in agreement. Right now his INTs have come from throwing off a bum kickstand – minus the first one which he got whilst getting his kickstand bent.

I am effing hurdliing you and you can't stop me.

by JustBob on Nov 23, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If we give him a chance, history shows that he will come through in spades.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 24, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

umm, history actually shows that he’s a decent QB. he had one bad year and one bad playoff game.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

but history in sports often times is about what have you done for me lately. Jake Delhomme COULD bounce back from his terrible 1+ seasons, its hard to say its likely. If this was just one bad, fluke year when he was 25 it would be one thing, but this season was when he was an aging QB.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy that one bad year at an older age would cause him to unlearn everything that made him good when he was younger. If you want to claim a persistent injury, that at least would have some science behind it, but I don’t think his injury in Carolina (shoulder? elbow?) is related to his ankle injury, so I don’t get where this age fixation is coming from.

I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.

by JustBob on Nov 24, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

unlearn is a bad word because he didn’t just unlearn it all. Its more that he lost something and may not have the skills to be a legit NFL starter anymore. look at how carson palmer has been since his most recent injury. he has clearly lost something and he is about 5 years younger than Delhomme. especially with QBs, injuries can be very tempermental

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Anderson has been decent more recent than Jake Delhomme.

In other words, don’t hold your breath.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 25, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Except DA’s decent was fools gold. Not that I hold much hope for JD.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Nov 25, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

last time he was “decent” was 2008. I guess you can call this year “decent” but IMO, that is a stretch. plus, Fitzgerald is a ridiculous player.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 25, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

2008 came after 2007

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

    The man played one and a half quarters, without his ankle injury, he played very well, for that amount of time, he got hurt, and that was it, but he maned up, and finished the game. Give him credit for that. However, with that being said, I hope McCoy is OK.

Browns, Indians, and Cavs,

Cleveland Fans, Support all of your teams.

by dawginhouston on Nov 22, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Wallace was back from his injury, no?
Wasn’t Wallace playing light years better than Delhomme before he (Wallace) was injured?
I think Mangini is just plain confused about the whole QB situation.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 22, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter if we have Delhomme or Mooncamping starting against Carolina. Nothing should cause us to lose against them

I met a fairy today that granted me one wish. "I want to live forever," I said. "Sorry" said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that!"
"Fine" I said, "I want to die after the Browns win the Super Bowl !"
"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.

by The Licensed Pessimist on Nov 22, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Someone start a poll, Delhomme or mooncamping for QB this weekend.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 22, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Moon.

his pick sexes put us over the top

by North Coast Flea on Nov 22, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Get ready for some audibles.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 23, 2010 5:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

        OH, So, now were looking down on other teams.. WE ( THE BROWNS ) HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING YET, Cleveland people have more class then that,

Browns, Indians, and Cavs,

Cleveland Fans, Support all of your teams.

by dawginhouston on Nov 22, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Vegas made us 11.5 pt favorites. What do you think of that?

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Vegas is all about evening up the betting.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but they are more concerned with getting beat by the expert gamblers. The mainstream usually doesn’t affect the lines as much as people think. Lines shift when there is heavy betting from experts indicating that they misvalued the likelihood of the game going that way.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Why they would not go back to Wallace and leave Delhomme on the bench in the ‘mentor’ role is a mystery to me.

Wallace’s play was excellent before he was injured. Passer rating of 88.5 over 4 games with 4 TDs and 2 INTs on 63% completion pct.

Granted Delhomme only played in two games but ended up with a 48.2 passer rating, 1 TD, 4 INTs and 55% completion pct??

I think they should play Wallace at this point to give him playing time as the Browns future backup QB going forward if for no other reason.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 22, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Calling Wallace’s play “excellent” is quite a stretch. He wasn’t doing too bad but he was far from great.

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 22, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme has played one half of healthy football, and looked decent doing it.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 22, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for Dilferesque

Resident of Believeland.

by browndawgbacker on Nov 23, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Dilferesque is an automatic rec.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Dilferesque > Andersonesque

"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 23, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true, the first 5 games of 2007 notwithstanding.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ughhhhhhhhh.

The only good thing I can say is that if Delhomme’s facing the Panthers, he may have a big chip on his shoulder and play well.

The bad thing? The defense knows exactly what he’s going to do. I’d rather have Wallace in.

I think Mangini’s trying to be mysterious about this. Again.

by emily522 on Nov 22, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Can Delhomme fill in for St. Clair?

I think that would honestly help us.

by discoinferno083 on Nov 22, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Right now I don’t think we would see a significant drop off if that paper doll from the AT&T commercials filled in for St. Claire.

I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.

by JustBob on Nov 23, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take Swamp Thing from the LG commercials.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 24, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m praying that McCoy is able to go this week. PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE.

by emily522 on Nov 22, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

I tuned into Browns Red Zone for a few minutes. Tony Grossi’s face is irritating. He looks so smug.

by emily522 on Nov 22, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

Funny thing is, with his latest announcement, Mangini is showing his hand a bit more than in past weeks
- i.e. shifting from not naming anyone, to naming who will start if other guy can’t play…
Maybe he’s changing his master plan – from Mangini the Mysterious to Mangini the Confused.
I think I get it now – confuse the opponent by being confused!!
Brilliant!

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 22, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I hope this is just a confusion tactic. I would much rather see Wallace than Delhomme.

by BiggieBrown on Nov 22, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Sighting: Brady Quinn on the sideline with a baseball cap on and an “inactive” status. I giggled.

by emily522 on Nov 22, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Jake Delhomme is 100%?

i didn’t realize this was 2003.

by discoinferno083 on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

How does Cribbs look?

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

Number 17 is back!! Oh yeah, better bring your popcorn.

"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.

by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

And your pain killers.

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 22, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme...NOOOOOOO

I don’t pray often, but please dear God, let Colt be healthy enough to play this weekend and the remainder of the season. AMEN!

by WilliamL on Nov 23, 2010 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

100 percent on what scale?

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Nov 23, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Wallace vs. Delhomme

Regarding “who’s better”, Wallace was playing (solid, very well, excellent – take your pick so we don’t quibble on semantics) under center before he was injured.
With Delhomme, what will happen next time he steps on the field is a bigger unknown at this point in my view.

Delhomme has been doing a great job as a mentor and seems to be content in that role.
Wallace is seriously itching for playing time.

Wallace likely has a future with the Browns as a solid backup.
Delhomme is nearing the end of his career as a QB.

I think if either is going to start Sunday I think it should be Wallace for all the above reasons.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, you can bet your ass there will be quibble.
On semantics.

I do agree with you on Wallace over Delhomme though. Assuming Wallace can play at a level that isn’t detrimental to the team due to injury. Delhomme is by default detrimental, on the field.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 23, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

when delhomme was fully healthy though, he wasn’t bad. apparently he’s fully healthy now. additionally, we’re playing his former team who isn’t very good this year. I’d love to see what he can do in this spot. if he’s healthy, he’s a better option than wallace.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Charlotte. I do not enjoy Panthers football. I really, really need Cleveland to get this win because we never play Carolina and I need to establish long term bragging rights besides the obvious expansion team, belong to two states, nice uniforms, etc. banter. Which until 9 months or so ago also included the obligatory Jake Delhomme is a douche comment. Please get Colt healthy.

I fear that John Fox knows more about Jake Delhomme than his own mother and could fluster him with a stern look. Plus Jake has been throwing to white and teal for a long time and he is known for bad snap decisions and interceptions so I feel he is prone to throwing to the wrong team.

Resident of Believeland.

by browndawgbacker on Nov 23, 2010 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

I must also state Panthers fans are some of the nicest people in the league and not rude at games as we are sometimes known for. I will be nice at the game regardless of the outcome as long as we win.

Resident of Believeland.

by browndawgbacker on Nov 23, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa! Your logic seems wrong. Jake had developed the habit of throwing to the team NOT wearing white and teal… Therefore, the Browns should feel good about passes being on target. /sarc

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Nov 23, 2010 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I see your point…play him!

Resident of Believeland.

by browndawgbacker on Nov 23, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Why the negative reactions here? If McCoy is not close to 100%, sit him. Why put him in a position to get greater injury and miss more games? Having him sit and watch a smart QB like Jake could be good for his learning and development. It certainly benefits him more than missing substantial time the remainder of the season.

Besides, what’s the worst that can happen with a Jake start at QB? We lose? No biggie – it just gives us a better draft pick. Maybe Jake throws a horrible pass where a receiver gets his clocked cleaned. That would be bad, but let’s hope to avoid it.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Nov 23, 2010 9:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I see your point about Colt specifically, and I agree.

We lose? No biggie – it just gives us a better draft pick.

This, however, disgusts me.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 23, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

equally disgusted. it isn’t in my being as a Browns fan to ever even remotely feel this way. I want to win every game, under any possible circumstance.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It does but if we are being honest with ourselves we are trying to improve this year and develop our young players.

You play to win the game but Delhomme vs Wallace doesn’t have a whole lot of impact on our future. Do what is best for Colt.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 23, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You play to win the game but Delhomme vs Wallace doesn’t have a whole lot of impact on our future. Do what is best for Colt.

I’m with you here.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 23, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I can’t believe everyone is discounting Del’homey so quickly. Who better to face a defense than a guy who practiced against them for so long. He knows their tendencies, he knows their schemes and he knows their play book.

How soon we forget it was Wallace’ bad decision that cost us the Chief’s only TD and the game.

There is a special place in hell for Steelers fans.

by CW78 on Nov 23, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone wants to start Colt again until he is 100% healthy.
Assuming Delhomme and/or Wallace are healthy, it would be a very bad idea to start McCoy before he is back to 100% with his ankle.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see Colt gut it out on a bad ankle if it isn’t going to hurt him for the future.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 23, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He did for that final drive. Wallace was going to be put in and he said he could finish the game.

by emily522 on Nov 23, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what you want him to do. But I’d leave the decision up to a doctor, not a rookie.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 24, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If we lose to Carolina, I’ll be disgusted. Their QB was a stay at home dad two weeks ago.

by emily522 on Nov 23, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

And he’s still better than Moore, Clausen and Pike.

Clearly, Delhomme was not the problem with that team last year.

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 23, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you realize how bad he was?

He wasn’t the only problem, but he was a huge part of it.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. And last year the Panthers had a great running game while this season Stewart and Williams have both been injured and/or ineffective. So this year’s problems for their team are much worse than just at QB.

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Panthers are the worst team in the league right now without Delhomme. That was not the case ever when they had him.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

post hoc ergo propter hoc (correlation=/=causation)…this is, if you are agreeing with SB

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ipso facto

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Nov 23, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Delhomme is better than Wallace.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

At what?

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though – maybe he is a better starting QB – by a very slight edge.
I still believe they should start Wallace.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

(assuming Colt is rule out)

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

well then, just because they are worse in 2010 when Delhomme isn’t there does not mean that they would be better with him. I mean, there are tons of variables such as the terrible RB play, the total collapse of their Defense, the fact that Steve Smith seems to have lots a half a step…just for starters.

I think Delhomme has proven less of what he can do than Wallace. Delhomme needs to prove to me that he can overcome the terrible 2009. He hasn’t been a good QB for almost 2 years now.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it doesn’t necessarily mean that, but I personally (my opinion) believe they would be better with Jake Delhomme and not be the worst team in the league.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 24, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

So Jake Delhomme is better than Brian St. Pierre and Jimmy Clausen — that’s not saying very much.

The Panthers won games last year because of their good running game. This year their two best RB’s have been injured and ineffective which is one of the biggest reasons for their poor performance. I don’t see any reason to think that having Delhomme there now would change that.

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 24, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

When did I say it was saying a lot that he is better than St. Pierre and Clausen? The Panthers did have a good running game (although it was a lot better two years ago) but competent QB play has made a huge difference.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 26, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

thats pretty irrelevant because they have the worst QB play in the league. Using this year’s panthers as any evidence of JD’s ability doesn’t make any sense really.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes a lot of sense when all you are trying to say is that Delhomme is not the worst in the league.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 25, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem is, no one ever said JD was the worst QB in the league.

Clearly, Delhomme was not the problem with that team last year.


Do you realize how bad he was? He wasn’t the only problem, but he was a huge part of it.

Right. And last year the Panthers had a great running game while this season Stewart and Williams have both been injured and/or ineffective. So this year’s problems for their team are much worse than just at QB.

The Panthers are the worst team in the league right now without Delhomme. That was not the case ever when they had him.

So, it started with SB talking about how he MUST be a decent option at least because carolina sucks this year, then people point out the breakdown in carolina, and then RD points out that carolina was never this bad with him. and using this as a basis for JD over Wallace.

Nowhere did anyone say he is the worst in the league and however carolina would be with him IMO is completely irrelevant because their QB play’s ineptitude rivals DA/BQ…actually it might be worse, because DA/BQ combo didn’t have clausen’s fumbling problems that I can remember.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 25, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

using this as a basis for JD over Wallace.

That is not what I was doing, but you inferred as much. It is my personal belief that Delhomme was better than Wallace and still is.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 26, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

well…its not to hard to infer that with what you were saying. you said you liked Delhomme over Wallace but the only evidence you gave in JDs favor was the fact that the panthers are not good this year.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 26, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My whole argument is pretty benign, that I think Delhomme is better than Wallace as well as the current crap the Panthers are trotting out. I’ve long argued that Delhomme sucks and I was pissed when we signed him.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 26, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

In Excelsis Deo

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So Crossing Fame? (or so crossing glory…or so passing glory)

Yeah, I took latin.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Glory fades.

rent the movie “Rushmore”, you won’t regret it.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 24, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic movie.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Nov 24, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

for my money, its one of Bill Murray’s best roles.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 24, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I have seen it. don’t remember that part (just making a literal translation of the phrase)

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

post hoc ergo propter hoc is actually something I learned in a college english class. its a logical fallacy and the formal name for correlation does not mean causation. Maybe I shouldn’t have said I take latin because now you are taking it the wrong way. Notice how I have been on here for about a year and this is the first time I have mentioned latin even though I have used that phrase a few times? I am not waving that fact in anyones face and sorry you misinterpreted it like that.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a standard rhetorical fallacy that everyone who has had any decent training in writing a persuasive essay or public speech should know. When one argues that something happened after an event and therefore was caused by the event, then one is committing that logical fallacy. I’ve not taken Latin, but the loose translation I’ve always been taught (and taught myself) is, “afterwards, therefore because of.”

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Nov 24, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY. Learned it in a class that emphasized on persuasive writing style (argumentation-persuasion is what we called it). and the translation is pretty much spot on…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you’re confusing two things here. everyone knows correlation =/= causation, or something similar. It’s not necessary to know the latin phrase.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he may be saying, and I’m definitely saying, you don’t have to try to prove to everyone you’re smart. did saying “post hoc ergo propter hoc” really help what you said? was it necessary on an NFL football site? and do we really need to drop “logical fallacy” on people to make a point about a rookie QB?

I have a law degree and do a fair amount of reading. That doesn’t mean I have to constantly speak in “legalese” or try to sound like an english professor. I can understand why people could get annoyed by it. if we were all sitting in a bar or tailgating, would you talk this way about the Browns? I’m guessing not.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 24, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

you don’t have to try to prove to everyone you’re smart.

I am not at all trying to get gratification from borderline strangers on the internet.

did saying "post hoc ergo propter hoc" really help what you said? was it necessary on an NFL football site?

Probably not and in retrospect it seems pointless. but there are many comments here that don’t help what someone said or are not that necessary…this is just another one in that pile

and do we really need to drop "logical fallacy" on people to make a point about a rookie QB?

It was about Delhomme, but you are right. I should have just said “just because the team is worse this year does not mean that it is a sign JD could be good”. this would have loosely stated the fallacy without declaring it as such. I have a habit sometimes of doing this too much instead of just loosely stating it.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

“Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?”

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Nov 24, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

god…now I wish I had studied in that class…

the best I can do is something about a fold in the toga, alone is pleasing for you to see…but that doesn’t make sense.

This is why I don’t consider latin something I am good at. Its been several years since I took it.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

your close

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Nov 24, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

close is satisfactory to me…

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 24, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think this comment got the recognition it deserves.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 26, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 26, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I had some Latin in high school, but after “Caecilius servum laudat” and the future tense endings I’m about tapped out. I need to watch Life of Brian again to brush up.

I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.

by JustBob on Nov 24, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

McCoy. Even if he´s limping, that just means he´ll have to throw more.

by mooncamping on Nov 23, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Uhhh . . . .why is that?

by Buckeye Brad on Nov 23, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

…because he won’t be able to move well, duh.

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 23, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

because with a limp, he won’t be able to play fullback

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ha!

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Nov 24, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

that seems like a sound strategy…

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 23, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, it sounds like a strategy …

I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.

by JustBob on Nov 23, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Make him stand right behind the center instead of being a pocket sucker versus pocket escapee, and we might stand a better chance of implementing the I-Formation to include Lawrence Vickers and Peyton Hillis.

by mooncamping on Nov 26, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No one here has seemed to factor in that Wallace may not be 100%. I’d rather have a healthy Delhomme (which we haven’t really seen this year) in than an injured Wallace/McCoy.

his pick sexes put us over the top

by North Coast Flea on Nov 23, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think Wallace recovered much quicker than Delhomme though. He was active before him and only had a high sprain while Delhomme had a high and low sprain.

ROHC THE SOHC.

by SpecialBrownie on Nov 23, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Delhomme also re-injured himself by trying to keep the redshirt on McCoy.

Low ankle sprains are nothing compared to high ankle sprains, even if they happen at the same time. Unless his low ankle sprain wasn’t a sprain at all but a ligament tear, the HAS would be what limited him.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 23, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I want the most healthy QB at this point. I dunno if JD is 100% healthy. honestly though, if thats delhomme, I might just ask my dad to sell his tix for the game.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!

by bross09 on Nov 23, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m hoping this is just b/r trying to more visits.

Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass

by Simmsinns on Nov 23, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

From the (bleacherreport.com) article: “according to a report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the injury is severe enough to merit shutting the quarterback down for the year”

I haven’t seen or heard of any such report. I think this is pure BS and they are jumping the gun.
Mangini has already made it pretty clear we won’t hear anything definitive on Colt or the QB situation in general until Wednesday at the earliest.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah after I read that, I looked on cleveland.com and didn’t see anything.

by emily522 on Nov 23, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

same here

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Nov 23, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t find anything either.

Something doesn’t pass the sniff test.

by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 23, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the bleacher report blows.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Nov 23, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Line of the year.

"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan

by woodsmeister on Nov 24, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Perfect. And green.

Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.

by golanbatrac on Nov 24, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m trying to imagine what disrespect might smell like.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Nov 24, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

who seriously lets people put out this shite?

isn’t there supposed to be some sort of standard in journalism?

by discoinferno083 on Nov 23, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

In Journalism yes, in random posts by 12 year olds, no.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Nov 23, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think people realize what bleacher report is.

by Roger Dorn on Nov 23, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Appears to be nothing much more than a few amateurs
- with a little technical savvy posing as sports ‘writers’.
Am I warm?

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Most likely when I first came across it, I thought it was a reputable site, and then I kept wondering why they were reporting stuff no one else was. Then the light came on.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?

by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT

by Villeslgr on Nov 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I have how anyone can parade anything as news by simply putting a question mark at the end of it. Browns are awarded Super Bowl appearance because of winning dice roll? Tonight at 9.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 24, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

McCoy - high ankle sprain. Delhomme starting on Sunday.

being reported on cleveland.com / DSN this morning.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

""It’s different than the ones (Delhomme and Wallace) had, but it’s in that same category, yeah," Mangini said…
“Delhomme and Wallace’s injuries proved to be in the four-to-six week category. Mangini said he’s optimistic McCoy won’t be out that long, but the history of the team’s high ankle ailments ‘tempers’ his optimism.”

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 24, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope he’s only out two or three weeks.

by emily522 on Nov 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_ankle_sprain#Treatment

Mangini:
“It’s different than the ones (Delhomme and Wallace) had, but it’s in that same category”

“Delhomme and Wallace’s injuries proved to be in the four-to-six week category.
Mangini said he’s optimistic McCoy won’t be out that long”

Hard to decipher these statements.

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing."
"If you can't accept losing, you can't win." -- Vince Lombardi

by burntorangeandbrown on Nov 24, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounds doubtful, but the degree of damage in there probably will determine this. High ankle sprains are usually pretty awful.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 25, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather have McCoy, but Delhomme will be just fine. Everyone take a deep breath.

by Dawg Nuts on Nov 24, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

his pick sexes put us over the top

by North Coast Flea on Nov 24, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Nov 25, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c5fea3/article/ankle-sprain-keeps-mccoy-out-delhome-could-start-for-browns?module=HP_headlines

"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan

by Kimble_79 on Nov 24, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

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