Browns Blow Out Patriots Behind Peyton Hillis
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST
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PrintBest. Game. Ever.
Coming off of a bye week, the Cleveland Browns flat out dominated the New England Patriots, a team who entered the game with the best record in the NFL. This wasn't a fluke victory by any stretch of the imagination.
On offense, Peyton Hillis couldn't be stopped, as he ran for a career high 184 yards on 29 touches for 2 touchdowns. That includes a nice 35-yard burst that he had to finish off the Patriots in the fourth quarter, forcing New England to put backup Brian Hoyer into the game because they were losing so badly. Colt McCoy only threw the ball 19 times, but completed about 75% of his passes. Congratulations Brian Daboll -- the Browns finally had a perfect offensive game by emphasizing the run, and then having a few clutch passes mixed in. Today, I changed my mind -- McCoy is the starting quarterback the rest of the season.
As far as the Patriots' offense, Tom Brady looked confused with the defensive looks our team was throwing at him. His receivers struggled to catch the football at times, and Rob Grankowski had a costly fumble just before halftime. The Patriots only converted 3/11 of their third downs (27%), which I imagine is a season-low for them.
The Browns didn't stop the creativity and risk-taking in this game. They mixed it up on kickoffs to keep the ball away from Brandon Tate, and one of those tries resulted in an accidental onside kick recovery. On offense, a version of the "fumblerooski" was run, with Chansi Stuckey taking it in for a score. The Browns also converted a 4th-and-short in their own territory in the first quarter.
The past two games have been unbelievable, and who doesn't think we can beat the New York Jets next week now? Could Cleveland even be favored, considering how the Jets almost lost to the Lions?
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I’m on board now too. There is absolutely 0 reasons to not start Colt for the rest of the year after the last three games. He can clearly handle it and gives us as good/better chance of winning as Delhomme or Seneca.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions
It’s a cheesy word to use but does anyone feel like it’s maybe “destiny” that Delhomme and Seneca BOTH got injured so that Colt could take over?
I said the same in the game thread. Daboll doesn’t trust McCoy enough to throw 40 times a game, so he completely committed to the running game and only asked Colt not to turn it over.
I haven’t seen any reason to bench Colt yet. He’s playing (mostly) mistake free football and it seems he’s more hampered by a weak receiving corps than the game being too fast for him.
I would attribute the commitment to the running game more to Peyton Hills and the Browns O-line being able to run over pretty much anyone in the league. At least more so than Daboll not trusting McCoy.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Even with Hillis showing his stuff early (remember the Ravens game?), he wasn’t breaking 20 touches a game until Wallace went down against Atlanta.
Daboll was a QB coach before he was an OC. He’s always been pass first. I think this sort of forced his hand (just like last year when Harrison exploded).
I said it all along after the draft, McCoy is a very good QB. We got the steal of the draft for QB’s. I’ve watch High School games of his, and of course everything else beyond that. This kid has had “IT” for a long time. He just needs to win over a new group of people to do it. He will, just give it some time and some more talent at WR. We’re getting there, and will become a more balanced team, so Peyton dosen’t get worn out in 2-3 years. Hopefully we have his running game for the next 4 to 5 years, or beyond.
No talking. Talking doesn't play football, talking isn't going to make you practice harder or play harder.
Today, I changed my mind — McCoy is the starting quarterback the rest of the season.
Welcome. Cookies and punch is over in the corner. Please help yourself.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Doubting Chris, believing after Colt beat the Saints and the Pats – blessed are those who believed without seeing.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
We’ve only won two straight games, compared with 46 years of losing. There’s still doubt.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
Great win guys,
and while I’m a fan of Jake, from what I’ve seen in highlights Colt is looking like a young playmaking Garcia. At the halfway mark, y’all are in striking distance with a improved defense and emerging offense. I hope the team can keep it going. This worked last time I posted here (didn’t have anything to do with it really, but I’m a bit superstitious not to mention we have a guy (Gris Gris Man) at CSC who actually puts spells on teams we play so maybe that is having an effect) so I ’ll try it for Cincy and come back later for the birdies. I hope we can beat another of your hated rivals in three weeks. It is crazy how every team in the AFC North has some really interesting history with the Browns. But, anyway, continued good luck ;)
"Wizard: Look at it this way. A man takes a job, you know? And that job - I mean, like that - That becomes what he is...You got a lawyer. Another guy's a doctor. Another guy dies. Another guy gets well. People are born, y'know? I envy you, your youth. Go on, get laid, get drunk. Do anything. You got no choice, anyway. I mean, we're all f*****. More or less, ya know."
From the movie "Taxi Driver"
I think it’s safe to assume that Hillis is finally 100%. Yay for bye weeks!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
He gave us a few scares though.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I hate them.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Nov 7, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic game! We just plain dominated the Patriots.
I was ambivalent about who would start as QB after Wallace and Delhomme get healthy, but I think McCoy earned it this game. All I’ll say is if we do put him let him stay in the rest of year, even if he starts slumping a little later this season. He’s either the starter or not.
I only had one question about this game, why do we still not see more of Evan Moore? Doesn’t matter really since we’re playing so well, but I wanted to get others opinions.
Awesome, awesome game!!!!!
Haha, Brian Hoyer comes in for two attempts and throws a pick.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It went into the books as an INT, so it’s still funny.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Really? I thought it was a strip unless they though he never had possession.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
They might change it later, but for not it’s an INT.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
but for now it’s an INT.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
It's a pick as far as I know
Devin McCourty had a strip that was listed as a pick last week in similar circumstances.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Colt McCoy: 73.7%
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Game manager. He is great at it.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
New Orleans he managed the game. Today he made plays when asked to.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
He made at least 3 awesome throws on the run also..all on third downs!(i think)
A Cleveland Browns game was aired in France, the French surrendered to Joe Thomas just to be on the safe side...
Another big point is that for the first time, when Colt felt pressure, he did not try to leave the pocket. He trusted his blocking and stepped up to avoid the rush. This is huge in his development.
He also knew when he did have to leave too. Like on the duck he through out of bounds.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Though many a turd is now steaming after being compared to Dilfer.
by JustBob on Nov 7, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Funniest comment I’ve read in a long while.
by JulioBernazard on Nov 8, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t decide if you were talking about his playing days or his analyst work with ESPN.
Then I noticed that it didn’t matter.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 7, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
A big win brings out the best in DBN posters. This thread is full of awesomeness.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll keep it clean
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Nov 7, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and over 12.4 yards per completion which is right around where the Packers are in this stat. as we saw in the preseason game where he didn’t miss a pass, Y/A also relies a lot on comp %.
Point being, he is stretching the field more than Delhomme or Seneca. his Y/C is almost as good this year as a healthy JD for his career.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Y/A also relies a lot on comp %
Which is part of why it’s a better stat than YPC. I really don’t see what your hang-up is on this.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Yards per attempt is nice, but neither one tells the whole story. As I pointed out from the preseason game, Colt had an excellent YPA, but a very low Y/C because he was playing the dink and dunk game and not stretching the field. Together they complement each other because one shows generally how well a QB moved the ball and the other shows how well the QB did at stretching the field.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
YPA is a much, much better stat than Y/C
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
it is, but YPA and Y/C complement each other. Together they are stronger than apart. my whole point was adding how Colt was actually stretching the field which Y/C is more accurate at showing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I want to see Vick and DeSean go to work. I love watching them.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Browns are a better team than the Patriots – why is anyone surprised by this easy win ?
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
One things that concerns me is the number of carries that Hillis is getting every game. He’s taking a pounding and I’m worried that he won’t be able to keep this up all season. We need to find another RB who can take some of the carries and not completely suck.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Mike Bell isn’t that guy. I think Harrison could have been. Bad trade.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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by Simmsinns on Nov 7, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Harrison’s skill set could have allowed him to be that guy but I think his head was too messed up. Right on though, Mike Bell doesn’t bring much to the table.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m still leaning towards bad trade. I think, even for only the rest of this season, he could have complimented Hillis much better than Mike Bell.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
he could have, but he was too upset about having to compete for the starting job that he wasn’t trying, so he was useless.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Not to mention
…that Harrison always seemed to come up with an injury when we were supposed to play the hard-hitting teams like the Steelers and the Ravens. He’s soft. He kept perseverating about how he had no clue why he wasn’t playing. That’s BS. Everyone in that locker room knows what it takes to see the field. It’s clear from day one and hard work apparently isn’t in Harrison’s vocabulary.
The trade will probably be an even one. By the way, the above paragraph could apply to James Davis too who is a lazy ass player.
This is where I am after hearing Holmgren on the subject.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
He’s not on the practice squad right now. This is article is a few weeks old but it’s the newest I could find.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Jennings is now playing for the Hartford UFL squad, coached by none other than Chris Palmer. I’m not sure about this, but I think that the UFL has been refusing to allow players out of their contracts to go to the NFL.
Hillis is pretty tough
He took a lot of hits in college too and kept on going
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
He is tough, but this is the NFL, not college. It doesn’t matter how tough a player is, he can only take so many hits before injuries slow him down.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
William Green
***FREE FREEBRADSHAW***
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 7, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can get a RB from Denver for Jake Delhomme.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 7, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 35 recs
Win.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Nov 7, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I enjoyed when the announcer today exasperatedly asked, how could Denver let this guy go?
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
make it 30
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
And 31.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i’m wondering why Bell wasn’t put in… especially after Hillis’ 2nd td.
i think we got a little too silly today.
next time, sit the guy down.
by discoinferno083 on Nov 7, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the guy Hardesty was supposed to be.
by Western Reserve on Nov 8, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, the Giants are up 21-0 on Seattle and it’s not even the end of the first quarter yet. Tough first start for Charlie Whitehurst.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
No points for Steve Smith though, dang it!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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YES!!!!
DeSean Jackson with 14 points, and the Seahawks only have 2 fantasy points now. I’m within 8 now.
We really need a fantasy thread every week :(
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, don’t take it the wrong way. No offense intended.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is really the proto-typical Browns victory though. Special teams scoring points themselves/making a play to create points, getting an early lead, and then just playing smash-mouth football on offense (with a little “trickeration” thrown in) and solid defense.
What a great gameplan coming out of the bye from Mangini/Ryan/Daboll.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions
It only gets more like this as the weather gets worse. Colt is accurate and zinging the ball in there. This has to be exactly what they imagined a Browns football team looking like. If McCoy can keep the chains moving like this so that the teams can’t gear up against the run, we will be tough to beat especially at home.
Totally agree.
Daboll bashing has been the norm (and for good reason). But he had Bilicheck all sorts of messed up today. Amazing job all around.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 7, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
It should not surprise that when the O line, Hillis and Colt execute, it makes the O coordinator look like he knows what he’s doing.
Right. Good players always make a coach look smart and bad players make him look stupid. Daboll didn’t get to this position without knowing what he’s doing.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
That’s actually the exact opposite of what most people were complaining about before with Daboll. Many people on here said he was throwing too much and wasn’t running enough early in the season; I think he was trying to pass so he wouldn’t be bland and predictible.
Either way, it’s always easy to second-guess the play calling when the plays don’t work and the team loses. If the players execute the plays correctly then the OC looks much smarter no matter what plays he’s calling.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
He was passing because that’s where the yards were….I really need to get to my post that I have ignored for months. I have a review next week, an explanation will probably be coming after that.
Part of being an OC is knowing what your players will be able to execute. Part of being a good OC is knowing how well you will be able to execute when you consider the matchup.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t think its as simple as equating running with bland and predictable. In this game, we ran a ton, but still had a handful of trickiness. In those earlier games, Daboll wasn’t being overly tricky, he was just stubborningly sticking with vanilla throw, even with the lead. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that he’s doing better.
Amazing chest bump at the end of the game.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
by Villeslgr on Nov 8, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Joe Thomas is such an animal that he pancaked his own head coach. AWESOME.
by BrownsFanRegina on Nov 8, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to say, Daboll has been pretty impressive lately…where’s all the people that wanted his head on a stick?
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
that fourth down play early in the game was a thing of beauty.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 7, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah that was great – I kept thinking they were just going to run the clock down and hope for an offsides, then all of a sudden it’s an old-fashioned QB keeper.
I also enjoyed the excitement from the sidelines. Seeing Daboll chest-bump a guy in full pads was sweet. He totally got flattened by the guy and loved it.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
At the beginning of the year his head belonged on a stick. He’s obviously doing better and that’s awesome but that doing well now doesn’t mean he was doing well then.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Oh i know, and I totally agree….it’s just funny how much difference a few weeks can make. About a month ago most people hated Daboll. I’m really glad he seems to have gotten better at calling plays.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I’m really glad he seems to have gotten better at calling plays.
Best possible outcome!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. KC looks pretty legit and seemed to have stability quicker than us.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Impressive win. I would have to wager that McCoy will be the starter from this point on.
Have to give credit to Mangini.
Did you see mangini’s face at the end of the game? The guy was doing everything he could to contain a shit eating grin. Great game from the coaches.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I was wearing one of those grins myself, and I’ll third that!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this. No matter how much better Cribbs has become and how Massaquoi was finally targeted today, we could use a genuine deep threat to open the game up even more.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, if Cribbs had more experience he woulda kept running under that bomb instead of almost stopping and looking back.
"There's a gleam men, there's a gleam!" Marty
Give Josh time. That said, more legit targets can only improve everyone’s chances!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Our defense is playing very well. We need some youth in the front 7, but it is hard to argue against what we have been able to do the past few weeks.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Just was walking through TriBeCa here in NYC and was stopped no less than 10 times by folks wanting to congratulate me. WHAT A FREAKING GREAT DAY!!!!!!
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
P.S. Had a Browns t-Shirt and hat on. My smile alone wouldnt have been enough . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Nov 7, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll have to look. Anyone see a good Cribbs-blocking-for-McCoy capture yet? A little surfing hasn’t provided it to me….
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Forgive the language but holy fuckin shit! That was the best Browns game I’ve seen maybe ever. I can’t believe what I saw. So fucking charged right now!
Actively seeking inspiration for a new handle
YAY! You got to see it?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
That’s effing excellent for you. Of all the games to catch…!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Seriously? Hillis is not just another bruiser, this guy is cerebral and has great balance and footwork. And Colt grew up today. Those accurate lasers while he was rolling to avoid the rush were right on target. And he showed no fear with that run to the end zone. The Browns showed today that this is a team to be feared the rest of the way.
Colt has to be the QB the rest of the way. Just an awesome performance given what he has to work with.
And I hate to be corny, but there is story after story about just how much Colt WANTS to play and WANTS/NEEDS to win. He’s a true competitor. And I think he’s more than driven enough to keep learning and not let it get to his head if he manages success.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no way you can justify going back to Wallace or Delhomme.
Yes, he managed the game in NO. But he didn’t lose it. And he beat the Patriots. It’s not like he didn’t do his job setting up those scores.
His first two victories have come against Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Things are looking good!
More simply put….Colt McCoy is 2-1 against the Saints, Steelers, and Pats. Read that sentence again.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 7, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Wow. Seeing that in black and white drives it home.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Just wait until he starts facing some bad teams. After next week against the Jets the schedule gets much easier.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
vs Jets, @ Jacksonville, vs. Carolina, @ Miami, @ Buffalo, then our division games to end the year.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I see 4 in there that we should definitely win. Should. I hope we can get some of those division games, too. Especially the one on the Steelers.
It’s not completely ridiculous to say we could be 7-6 going into @ Cincy, and then at home against the Ravens and Steelers with a chance to make the playoffs if we sweep them.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not ridiculous, but don’t bet the farm on it. Asking this team not lose more than one game in the next five, might be asking a little bit too much.
10-6.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
so after the jets, Win Win Possible Win Win then divisonal games, two of which are at home.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
true true…but out of the 3 wins I called, 2 of the teams have combined to win 1 game..
(knock on wood) unless the team completely implodes, we will beat carolina and buffalo
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Of course, the Saints and Patriots fans probably thought the Browns would be an easy win. You can’t take anything for granted in the NFL.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 7, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all
Pats fans considered this the ultimate trap game (given your record).
- @ Cleveland
- Browns had the bye-week to prepare
- Browns were coming off a great victory against the defending Superbowl champs
- Browns had the spark that comes from a change in QB and change in RB (so were basically a new team)
- Mangini’s inside information
No way they were being taken for granted, which actually suggests the Browns victory was more impressive because of it.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I have to disagree with #4. McCoy had already started two games and Hillis has essentially been the #1 back for most of the season.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 8, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well, mainly McCoy (although McCoy opens up Hillis by being a good game manager).
Someone on here quite rightly pointed out that the McCoy’d Browns are 2-1 against some very good teams – Steelers, Saints and Pats.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I like that you gave us that respect.
I found it amusing to hear Cinci fans cry: “OMG we jus lose to teh lowly Brownsies. WT?F!”
We are better than they are.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
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by Simmsinns on Nov 8, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, I was typing up a similar response. Sometimes “we get no respect”
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I would assume Panther and Buffalo taste amazing.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a winner?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, that joke has come full circle, huh?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
He is a winner. realmccoy has been saying it all along and Colt himself said it after he drafted and being interviewed on ESPN.
I believe him. Not only does he seem to be aware of what he needs to do to win games, he displays the attitude, drive for perfection, and work ethic that make up what I see as meaningful “winner” qualities.
Holmgren was talking about Colt missing a pass by 6 inches, slamming his helmet on the ground, and then re-throwing the same throw 10+ times in a row to perfect it.
I really like this kid, but I want to see him lead us back to victory in a game like the steelers game. Their defense dared him to make plays, we couldn’t run Peyton for 184 yards, and we were behind. If he can lead us to one comebac in a situation like that this year, I am fully on the bandwagon. As it is I am cautiously on with one foot. He is starting to earn the job through his performances.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
They mentioned during the broadcast that Colt is the first quarterback to start his career against three superbowl winning quarterbacks in a row. And he’s still 2-1!
by rebuilding year on Nov 8, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
OT: I commented on a friend I have whose a pats fan (and says BB let the browns win) and then he and another friend were getting into the debate about the game…and the browns fan posted a link to this exact article
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
To me, the most satisfying aspect of this win was Belichick getting his ass handed to him. I sat through many terribly coach games by him in the 90s. Run, run, pass. Metcalf up the middle. Playing not to lose. It was painful. I am shocked he ended up being a successful coach.
Now, in the present, we beat him with a less talented team and by playing to win. Taking chances. Outcoaching him.
This was a good day.
I’m going to throw up a post about this. A huge “we know we’re all overexcited but…what if…” type of thing. Just with the schedules of all the other playoff contenders in the AFC.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
After the last two weeks there is no team in the NFL that the Browns couldn’t conceivably beat. Try reading that sentence again. It is possible for the Browns to run the table till the end of the season. I won’t say is it probable but it is possible. If they do, that would almost certainly earn them a playoff spot.
Brownsyup
As far as I’m concerned, 10-6 or 9-7 are both attainable, and those keep us in the wild card hunt. WEre still in the playoff hunt, baby.
BELIEVE
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
I’m sticking with my 10 win prediction.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
….I also remember the Pittsburgh game.
Me too. I can’t wait for a rematch. With playoff implications.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
If we actually did make the playoffs, we’d be the FIRST TEAM EVER to start 0-3 and make it.
Stuckey watch: At least 10/30. Not sure at the moment. Point is, he's on pace to win me the bet.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 8, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Who else is pumped for some f#%$$ing Harry Potter?!?! Hell yes!
Woooo! Go Browns!
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by Simmsinns on Nov 7, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
My cousin is coming back from Japan (he’s in the marines) for the first time in a year! He’s a huge Potter fan, he got me into it. He’ll be home for the midnight showing, it’s going to be an awesome night.
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That’s funny to see marine and huge potter fan in the same post. Full disclosure, I love Harry Potter.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am so tempted to see it at the midnight showing, but I am a nice brother and won’t see it till friday because my sister has school.
I am definitely seeing it thanksgiving again.
On that subject, I saw a clip that they showed of the scene where they encounter Thorfinn Rowle and Dolohov at the Diner on Tottenham Court Road
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
damn. I’m waiting for all of them to be out before I see any of them. Saw part of one about ten years ago, and it looked like it might be pretty good.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Wow. I almost did that with all the Saw movies, but I just gave up and watched 1-6. I’ve heard 7 is good.
Crazy. I liked the first one. The rest just felt so recycled. And by about the 4th I felt like i was watching a random movie at 3 AM on ScyFy.
I do as well. Campy horror is one of my favorites. You should check out “Hatchet” if you ever get the chance.
Did you read the book? Amazing read back in 7th grade.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yes, I did. This movie is not based on that book, however.
by Chief Wahoo on Nov 7, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I liked the first one, but I can’t see-saw past that one.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
This. I really liked the first one and basically hated everyone after that. It is fun sometimes, if it’s free, to see the different trap puzzles that they come up with in the later films though. The storyline is asinine.
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You’ll notice that the child actors slowly become more talented throughout the films.
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I mean to say, as they age in real life, their acting get better, and in turn the films get better. The same goes for the screenwriters or who ever they have adapting the books to screenplay. Hell, you could probably go as far to say JK Rowling slowly got better as she wrote each book as well.
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kinda. She hit a lull near the end. I disliked the 6th book and have a love/hate relationship with the 5th (in some ways, it is the best book in the sense of the intense persecution and the ‘us against the world mentality’ but harry comes off as a whiny B***h in the 5th and 6th at times)
for any mods, B***h=Buuuh
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I only read the 2nd book in grade school, none since then, so I was only guessing.
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ahh…Sorry, most people that got excited as you did with your original post about the movie are harry potter nerds like me. you were probably confused then on the oddly specific comment about a scene from a movie. Yeah, I remember death eaters names and such. I sadly may no more about the books than JK Rowling herself.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I have to be honest, I know nothing about HP. I’m more of a J. R. R. Tolkien nerd hahaha
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am a bit of both. I haven’t read the Tolkein Books as obsessively as HP in recent years (partially because I have all 7 HP books on tape and listen to them when I go to bed on my ipod, and partially b/c my copy of the trilogy got destroyed).
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
So HP is worth checking out I’m assuming? I always thought it was for kids.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
(From what I hear) the later books are very much adult themed (not like porn or anything), but darker tones and adult situations. The characters grow and mature along with their die hard readers. That’s the way it was described to me anyway.
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Definitely. A lot about death and some legit existential themes. The characters definitely grow and get more complex. (also directed as agreement towards Simsinns)
Like Tolkein, Rowling is amazing at creating a whole fictional world where the pieces all fit together. I loved Tolkein because of how everything fit together so perfectly like he planned everything out beforehand. Its the same way with HP (and Rowling intentionally designed it that way).
From the beginning, she had a whole magical universe in mind and each book was just building blocks of it and building blocks for each character. Looking back like I do now, its amazing how well they fit and flow and the only things diehard HP nerds like me that can find that are wrong with it (when it comes to the creation in the universe) are semantic things like inconsistencies in the year of birth of a character and such.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
ok, you guys sold me. I will check it out. Even if I’m not quite digging the first few I will stick it out. I can get down with magic and Wizards (as long as they aren’t from Washington)
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
haha…
I don’t get the washington Part.
Yeah, I can probably sell it to someone b/c I love it so much. Plus, anyone who likes Tolkein I think would like it. they both are fantasies, have the idea of a “chosen one” and the fact that each has a large universe.
LOTR is much more adventure based (i.e. they are going on this long journey) whereas HP (partly b/c it has more leeway with 7 books) has more character development…and is also more young adult oriented.
Rowling definitely was influenced by Tolkein IMO and I have always thought Dumbledore reminded me of Gandalf
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
the Washington part was a lame NBA joke, since I hate the Washington Wizards.
Thanks for the info, sounds like I might enjoy the series.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
ahh.
Yeah, it makes sense you would, especially if you like fantasy in general. Most people I know who read LOTR also loved HP (including a couple really good friends and my dad) and I started off with HP and found LOTR to be enjoyable.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
True. My cousin is the pump up “HOLY SH#@!” type, so I’m getting into it. The last movie was awesome though, and I really like the way they are marketing this one. Love the excitement.
It’s been an amazing past few weeks since the Buckeyes lost to Wis.
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It was awesome. Though there was supposed to be a fight scene after the scene with dumbledore on the tower…but thats not that necessary. Its necessary for only one small plot element but I heard they included it in this movie (kinda like if you saw the LOTR movies, the giant spider was supposed to be in the 2nd not the 3rd)/
I LOOOVE how they are marketing it. Mostly because I have been anticipating this for a year and it makes me so much more pumped.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Same. I read it so much, my book fell apart.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
they split it up into 2 parts. If they didn’t, the movie would end up being as long as the Soviet movie rendition of War and Peace just so they could get enough info in so people who haven’t read the books wouldn’t be lost.
OT: That movie war and peace not only is really long, but considering inflation, is the most expensive movie ever made.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
i recc’d just cuz this was so random and dumb. :)
by discoinferno083 on Nov 7, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coach Eric Mangini on his blossoming team:
“First you learn how to work, then you learn how to compete, then you learn how to win, then you learn how to win consistently.”
So true man. If the entire team buys into this the Browns could be going places.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I was pretty bitter at halftime. it was like two entirely different games between the halves. McGloin looks like our man for the rest of the season.
Yea, I’m a Bolden fan but McGloin definitely made his case and Joe will stick with him. As long as we win, I’m happy.
Long term = Bolden
Short term = McGloin
agree on winning, but next week might be tough for either of them…
For sure. I don’t want to see one guy pulled after a few possessions though. We have to pick a guy and stick with him.
Coach Tony Montana on life:
“First you get the money, then you get the power, then… you get the women”
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Nov 8, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
McCoy was channeling his inner Peyton Manning today. He was working that Pats D like no other. Exploiting the Blitz, great pre – snap reads, audibling, feeling the pressure and throwing lazers.
ROHC THE SOHC.
I really think we’re going to be favorites over the Jets next week given our performance, their performance, and the fact that it’s a home game. That is amazing to me.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions
I’d rather be an underdog, TBH.
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Always. Cleveland doesn’t seem to do well with expectations.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think regardless of the Vegas line, we’ll play as underdogs given our attitude/record. I’m just talking purely from a Vegas/gambling line.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I am patiently awaiting Mooncamping’s analysis of todays game.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions
And that’s only if they completely spell out Peyton Hillis right?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, so he’s probably even more popular now than that.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Lest we forget, our favorite football player Braylon Edwards is back in Cleveland next week.
Let the jokes and pictures commence!
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Austin Collie just got murdered. And the Eagles are acting like they did nothing wrong.
ROHC THE SOHC.
Just barley. But all helmet to helmet is illegal now.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll be fined regardless. All helmet to helmet is illegal.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
And this one was at the discretion of the ref in the moment if he was a runner or not.
Cribbs was a runner that whole play.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
helmet-to-helmet is and has always been illegal on runners. it is specially recommended that they apply it to receivers, but its illegal on everyone.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
You’ll take it bitter and like it.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
give him some slack. he doesn’t drink.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
…To balance out the barley. Also helps later in the fermentation process.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles D-backs did nothing “wrong”. The receiver was turned by one hit, started to duck and went down to the level of the other defender.
I do agree that after watching the replay they were jumping around like jackasses when they saw they were vindicated – while Collie was lying 5 feet away. Classless.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Most these bad hits are the receivers “fault” as they brace for impact, they lower their head making it more vulnerable.
It’s instinct to tense up and bring the head closer to the body to protect it.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Really, I saw no need for the penalty flag – other than the refs not wanting to have an injured player and no penalty.
What happened to the Horse-collar Tackle penalty, BTW? I see plays every week that would qualify and are never called. I’d argue that the chance of injury is just as great and even more avoidable in this case and it never seems to get called.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Spaceballs helmets.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
haha, between this and thought of them running around with “mattresses” on their heads I have some funny mental images.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 6:46 AM EST up reply actions
Pats Pulpit has a “late games” thread. We should start doing this rather than talking about the games on the instant recap. Not pointing any fingers because we all do it.
by emily522 on Nov 7, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Owen Schmitt tried to do a Hillis Hurdle™ and was completely denied.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Great job today Cleveland! Keep beating all these teams off their high horses, it is fun to watch and helps us out.
See you and the High Horse on the 26th.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
by DaveDawg09 on Nov 7, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’ll be singing a different tune come Dec. 26th!
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Are you on the good list? You’re about to have a sh*tty Christmas regardless…
by shep615 on Nov 7, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Neither can we, my friend.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are so two faced.
“How did you guys lose to Cleveless? You guys are better than that…”
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
First Browns game I ever went to and it was awesome! Browns dominated every aspect of the game. Seems like another powerful team underestimated us.
The saga continues.
There was no underestimation on their part. They were just out coached and out executed.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Cribbs absolutely rocked someone on the McCoy TD run. Just creamed.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 7, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs to .gif it.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
For now, you can watch it over and over here
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How bad did Vickers want to lay someone out
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
The hit looks even more brutal from the other angle at game speed.
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Absolutely LOVED the game today. It’s days like these that make being a Browns fan that much sweeter. One year, you are groaning because DA sucks and Braylon can’t catch – then all of sudden the sun shines in Cleveland Browns stadium, and it’s so bright you gotta wear shades.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
Hilarious. 
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by Simmsinns on Nov 7, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
To be fair, that’s about the least pissed I’ve seen Belichick after any loss. He looks rather passive.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
If there’s no frown- or head-wrinkles, he’s practically happy.
In saying that, I wouldn’t want to be in the Patriots locker-room or practice facility this week. There’s going to be blood and/or sweat on everything.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
Belichick’s post-game press conference was great.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
it was basically “They outplayed us in every facet of the game. They were the better team. Ask me about how something went, the answer is bad.”
It was basically that repeated a few times.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
here’s mangini’s. I’ll look for Bill’s again in a second.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Eric-Mangini-Post-Game-Press-Conference/0b0552d7-9133-4143-97d2-adf3c26e98f8
It’s nice to see mangini being more relaxed.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
This whole press conference is all kinds of win.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
here is Bill’s:
http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=VideoNewsdetail&pid=45742&pcid=155
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Thanks for the link. Belichump still makes me laugh. He’s such a grump.
I’m glad Mangenius got him today!
He’s a grump even when the Pats win. It takes a Superbowl victory to actually make the guy smile.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
At least he smiles after the championship. Saban is a helluva coach but he didn’t even look happy after the NC win.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Belicheat. What an ass.
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by Fifty-Eight on Nov 7, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bill Belichik is now 1-2 vs. Browns in Cleveland.
NFL head coaches often struggle when playing teams they formerly coached. Bill Belichick is now 1-2 vs. the Browns in Cleveland. The blog SportsDelve.com wrote a piece about coaches struggling when returning to their former homes this past week. Check out the link for more info.
by classic3283 on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, he was chewing the whole game.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
After this, Belichick actually did spend a decent amount of time out on the field. I guess he was seeking out Hillis to compliment him for one hell of a game.
by Western Reserve on Nov 8, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I had to comment on this game...
Even though I am a Ravens fan…that game was freaking awesome. Hillis is a beast and for the life of me, I will never understand why the Broncos gave him up (especially considering they never seem to have a healthy running back). Colt is looking the best QB out of the class. Some of those throws under pressure were just plan sick. This certainly makes the week 17 game more interesting.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
I can tell you why they gave him up:
McDaniels is a control freak and does not have a real eye for talent. Funny..he wears his hoody just the same as his mentor, Belicheat.
He ran Cutler out of town, ran one of the best big WR’s in the league out of town, then trades Hillis because he’s not a “sexy” running back choice. Guess what McDaniels? You just cost your former mentor a football game, and helped close the window just that much more on the Cheatriots. Love it.
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at least Belichick tolerated idiots when they had talent, a la randy moss. Plus, McDaniels has sucked as the de facto GM. He has destroyed the talent level on that team.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Plus, McDaniels has sucked as the de facto GM. He has destroyed the talent level on that team.
To be fair, you have to take the good with the bad.
Kyle Orton would disagree. He went from the guy babysitting the Bears into a fairly productive QB… you know, on track for 5000 yards passing with a passer rating in the 90s.
Brandon Lloyd is the most productive WR in the league at the moment, and after only 8 games has already posted his best season stats. He’s on track for a 1700 yard (!) season. That’s ridiculous.
Jabbar Gaffney is also being extremely productive, he’s looking at his first career 1000 yard receiving season. Eddie Royal might crack 1000 yards, too.
Considering you’re ripping the guy for trading away his starting QB and his starting WR, and his replacement QB is on a Marino-like throwing streak and his replacement WR is on track for a 1700 yard season, I just figured I’d mention it. Hah.
If anything, it’s his D that’s letting him down, and you could (probably quite rightly) criticize him for ditching his D Coordinator from last year. But ripping him for getting rid of Cutler and Brandon Marshall isn’t just.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Gaffney is doing shit for me in FF so I’d disagree.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
It’s his best season thus far (if he continues). His most receptions in a season are 55 and 54; he’s already had 45 through 8 games. His most yardage is 732 (last year) and 632; he’s already got 516 through 8 games.
I couldn’t say why you picked him up in FF, but this’ll be his best season yardage- and reception-wise at the pace he’s on.
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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
you also have to consider (like I put down below) that he is in a high octane passing offense right now and that he is 29 and is starting (or just playing and getting looks) the most since 2005.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Its not solely trading away those players, but its the fact that the picks he ended up getting for them he squandered so he gave up talent for nothing…
Plus he gave up talent like hillis for nothing too.
Yeah guys like Lloyd and Gaffney are producing, but I think its much more a product of a system that is clicking with orton (and the pickup of orton is a move I respect). Its been 5 seasons since the last time Lloyd got at least 40 receptions and at least 400 yards. If a guy comes out of nowhere at age 29, my suspicions will be that the system did a good job of that (and this system has a history of that).
When you look at what he has done through the draft (overdrafted an average player in Moreno, Busted on Ayers, traded a first rounder in ’10 to get Alphonso smith who he then cut within a year and who is great with the lions now, pretty much everyone else from the draft has done nothing) and what he did with the picks he got, you can see why someone would say he has “destroyed the talent level”.
Honestly, I don’t think a guy they got like a Lloyd or a Gaffney is as talented as Marshall either.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Exactly.
He has NOT done a good job in Denver.
a) He had everyone on his nuts after the mishandling of the Cutler situation (remember back…he flat out mishandled that, and it was pretty much the second thing he did after setting his coffee down on his new desk…seriously)
b) If that happens, and you have a new QB coming in…what do you do? Keep your only all-pro WR. Oh, wait….I just pissed him off and he doesn’;t want to play for me.
He was in a PR nightmare, Comic.
Add to that he flubbed on Hillis. This is fact, nothing systemic about it. He did not see talent when it looked him in the face. Bad coaches who are too big for their britches and want to be the boss man make these mistakes.
He had NO idea Orton would blossom. No he didn’t. He got Orton as a band-aid, a what-the-hell-why-npt-we’ll-need-someone move. And the reason he has such inflated stats? No running game! No running game = 2-6. You decide.
Don’t defend the dude. He’s indefensible. He will end up destroying that franchise. They weren’t that bad that long ago.
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I am not defending him, but saying at least he did hit on orton. that may have just been a blind squirrel finding a nut (that phrase keeps getting botched in my head…earlier I thought it was a blind nut finding a monkey)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Don’t get me wrong, I think McDaniels sucks but he straight fleeced Chicago in the Cutler trade.
“Denver received Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009 to do it.”
That’s not even taking into account contract and cap considerations (if it comes back) of Orton vs. Cutler. Cutler’s costing the Bears twice as much annually and Orton outplayed him in 2009.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
However, once he acquired the picks, he fleeced himself.
He took Ayers who has been a bust, and traded up to take TE Richard Quinn who has done nothing.
The first rounder from 2010 turned into Demaryus THomas and the jury is still out on him. However, I think that McD completely botched the whole belichick “trade down and move around the board” strategy.
a) they didn’t truly get enough when trading down
b) they ended up using the picks they got from trading down (from 13-22) to trade up to get tebow, and that was a terrible decision.
You also have to consider the cap considerations for Robert Ayers and Richard Quinn in this deal and they are significant contracts (combined they are costing the broncos 4.4 million annually)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Right on. I think McDaniels was in an enviable position (especially compared to Mangini coming to Cleveland) as far as re-building a team and he has completely screwed the pooch.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
and…………………..they’re 2-6.
why defend McDaniels?
can he OC, yes.
coach/deal with people? no.
by discoinferno083 on Nov 8, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
he can coach/deal with people at McDonalds maybe.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
you could have just said McDaniels is a tool and left it at that.
what a laughingstock.
by discoinferno083 on Nov 7, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Also Hillis (allegedly) had a thing with McDaniels’ wife.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 7, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
If Peyton Hillis wanted to have a “thing” with your wife you wouldn’t get rid of him. You would have him and her make baby Peyton’s and ride them to NFL superstardom.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions
Mr. Hillis, I would be honored for you to take my wife.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 8, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Mike Golic this morning was talking about Hillis’ huge arms and how he wished he had arms like that. Greeny was joking that they needed to come up with a Peyton Hillis song for him (they used to play a Brady Quinn love song whenever they talked about him because he was from Notre Dame like Golic).
. . . says the man from Columbus.
I hope that the jesting in this part of the thread is obvious to most people.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think the movie “Skyline” looks stupid?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also looks like they’re trying to add the funny in it because it looks so cheesy.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
NO CAST!?! They have Turk and Angel Batista!
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
No. I was like “WTF is Turk doing in an Alien movie?” Not a no name cast, but very bad casting.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think you mean “but an amazing casting”. This movie has bad/awesome written all over it.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I love movies that are so terrible they’re good.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Then I hope you have seen Shoot ’Em Up.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I dropped Favre in one league and didn’t play Stafford and Harvin in another. Tell me about it.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I meant it was a topsy turvey day. Akers has 15 points. That’s ridiculous.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
good news for me, I picked up Green Akers because my other kicker was on a Bye
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
You mean David Akers haha.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Good game for the Browns, congratulations.
I’m down about the result as a Pats fan, but with this young team a loss at some point like that is probably a good thing, at least as a learning experience – you learn a lot by being pasted. Better the Pats give up a loss in early November and get it on tape than a loss deep in December or January.
Looks like you’ve got a good QB in McCoy, and Hillis did what a bunch of great RBs haven’t done this season. Good luck for the reason of the season, and please, please, please roll over the Jets. Ye gods. They scraped another win this week, it’s getting painful. If you guys roll them they might self-destruct… and you’d get double-pleasure from seeing Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards at each other’s throats.
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It would be nice to see mangini paste his old team (which he was unjustly deposed from) and his old mentor back to back. Personal vindication for the Mangenious.
"Smokescreen."
Mhm
Although he might enjoy it more if he got to hammer Favre rather than the Jets – it was really Favre’s gunslinging that lost Mangini a lot of those late-season games in the Jets.
To be fair, it looked more like Brian Daboll out-thought Hoodie than Mangini this week (although Mangini gets his props too, of course). Daboll’s another ex-Pat employee, bleh. Want to trade him for O’Brien? Please?
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
we’ll see favre in the super bowl.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
No, we won’t. He won’t make it.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant in Wrangler commercials
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 7, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well mangini as HC is in charge of getting the team focused and motivated, and he has a hand in what goes on on D especially. He definitely had these players on the ball this week
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
and you’d get double-pleasure from seeing Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards at each other’s throats.
You mean Ray Lewis hasn’t already done it yet?
Stuckey watch: At least 10/30. Not sure at the moment. Point is, he's on pace to win me the bet.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 8, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'm expecting that if they have consecutive losses, they'd tear that locker-room apart.
Sanchez hasn’t shown anyone he’s a leader, LaDanian Tomlinson is bound to break down physically and/or mentally at some point. Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards… well, ‘nuff said. Antonio Cromartie can’t work out a condom, let alone a locker-room. Darrelle Revis signed his new contract and was already planning his next holdout (I wish I was kidding).
All those me-first guys are fine when they’re winning. Give them a loss or three and they’ll be blaming each other willy-nilly.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see our fanshot? BE was already blaming the other receivers for forgetting how to catch.
It’s already happening.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think I caught it. It’d be 100x worse if they’d lost consecutive games. Damned Lions, messing things up…
In that note: please crush them. For the good of the AFC, NFL, etc. I hope you didn’t use up all the Giant-killing juice on the Pats and Saints.
Token southern hemisphere guy - 14,688km from Foxboro. That's 9128 miles, for you heathens.
by Comedic.Sans on Nov 8, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Damned Lions, messing things up…
Blame “No Suh for you” for missing the extra point to win the game.
Who would have guessed that there would have been a DT and a WR kicking EPs today?
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I also hope you get your wish and we crush them. I can’t stand the Jets.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer “Chaos N. Suh”
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by rufio on Nov 8, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What part of Tomlinson has ever given you clue he'll break down mentally?
That’s a pretty asinine statement in my opinion….
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I know Holmes likes to smoke weed but has he been a bad locker room guy in the past?
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Santonio Holmes already hates Braylon. He’s from Ohio State and Braylon is from Michigan. Just ask Braylon, or his daddy, he’ll tell you.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I always like to root for ex-Buckeyes, but poor Santonio has had it rough. First the Steelers, now the Jets – I just can’t root for him on those teams.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 7, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Andy Reid was a HUGE 13 year old.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
The kid had a mustache. Are we sure it wasn’t a joke?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Simms though. It’s a rule and you need to call that as such. You either call them all or none.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know. I was just agreeing and saying something that pertained to it.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Barely brush the back of a quarterbacks helmet? FLAG.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Happened to us in the Saints game.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Just letting you guys know
Payton Hillis has my Pro-Bowl vote
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha Mangini. “It feels great. It feels like I’m in that movie ‘Ghosts of girlfriend’s past.’ The Pats this week, the Jets next week…”
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after being asked who would start next week: “can’t we just enjoy this for a while?”
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
He also says "I’m sure we’ll discuss that Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
On what he and Bill said at the handshake: “We were making plans for the summer”
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Holy crap, didn’t Golan make a joke along those lines?
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
“Did you see Daboll get knocked down by Thomas?” “Ha, I did. There is a place for little men in football, just not in front of the big men.”
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
haha, this sounds hilarious. I’m gonna have to watch the presser now.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 7, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Smokescreen.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Also, if we decide stick with Colt, we don’t have to worry about drafting a QB high, which will open up filling the gaping hole at WR or CB.
Delhomme and Wallace were Holmgren’s Smokescreen for McCoy.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
With McCoy calling signals, the Browns enjoyed their season high for points, first downs (22), total yards (404) and time of possession (38.08).
SI article here.
Kozar comparison sighting!
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Same love for Brett Ratliff and Longerberger baskets?
Stuckey watch: At least 10/30. Not sure at the moment. Point is, he's on pace to win me the bet.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 8, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ratliff’s more like a boomerang – you toss it away but it just comes back to you.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I’d give up a lot to see this be proven true over time.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
The whole Offense has given up. It’s so funny.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The whole team has given up. It’s so funny.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, the Defense is still trying.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
The defense has given up like 70+ points in 6 quarters. No, I don’t believe they are.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 7, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Bryant is the only one trying.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
A Key Statistic
Browns gave up:
Zero sacks
Zero quarterback hits
Can you feel the love tonight?
I think we shocked the sports world!!
I can’t wait to listen to Cowherd tomorrow! He’s such a Brady/Bellicheck lover he’s going to be shocked out of his studio the way we’ve made the Pats look. My daughter is absolutely thrilled; my sweetheart is thrilled for me.
I’m going to watch the game again tonight just to relish every play again. What a win!!!
And yes, I felt like this back at the Steelers game and I do feel this way now: It is McCoy’s team to lose.
"Time to eat all your words, swallow your pride, open your eyes!"--Tears for Fears (Sowing the Seeds of Love)
"But I still believe
I still believe
Through the pain
And the grief
Through the lives
Through the storms
Through the cries
And through the wars
Oh, I still believe"---The Call (Fitting for a TRUE Cleveland Browns fan)
Woah. Al brought up Pat Tillman and said “killed by ‘so – called’ friendly fire.”
Way to take a shot at the man.
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He wasn’t taking a shot at Tillman. He was pointing out that friendly fire is not at all friendly.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
I didn’t say he took a shot at Tillman. I think he took a shot at the fact that they consider his death friendly fire, when it’s much more evident his death seemed planned.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say he took a shot at Tillman. I think he took a shot at the fact that they consider his death friendly fire, when it’s much more evident his death seemed planned.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, this should be entertaining….
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve never heard the movie on the whole thing? His death seemed almost “too perfect” of an accident. All the information on it is classified, his leader of the troop in question is never clear on what truly happened and many think he was the one who gave the command of “friendly fire.” Many think his death was planned.
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s stop this discussion right here guys. This could get too political.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Tillman’s brother on Bill Maher’s show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huyg8SiDa7k
Lots more in the sidebar and via google. Now we can stop.
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Congrats you guys!!!!
I watched the game online, and couldn’t take my eyes off it!
McCoy diving for the end zone…Hillis running wild as the Denver Broncos featured running back…Brady confused & frustrated…Justin Bieber showing up in the Patriots locker room & demanding his hair back….beautiful game for you guys. you earned this!!!
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Looking forward to sweeping you guys...but it won't be a gimme by any means. You guys are acquiring the "swagger" :)
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thank you. I like this team’s swagger and play. It will definitely be a good game, considering how well we played you guys in Pittsburgh.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
yeah. Plus Pitt may have already locked up a playoff spot (just another reason why we could win). we get 2 division opponents at home to end the season.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I hope you are planning on using those tickets !
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
the Pittsburgh Game? they are my dad’s tix and he sold them. He sold a lot of the tix this year b/c
a) he needs the $ (and doesn’t want to lose his PSL)
b) he sold them in fact the week after the first pitt game when we were 1-5 and he was a bit pessimistic about the team
Don’t worry though, he sold them to a browns fan (also a reply to woodsmeister below)
Pretty much, he sold games against popular teams (sold NE, sold Pitt, Might have sold baltimore…all to browns fans though)
I think I might get to see the panthers game though…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah the Pitt game. I was just making light of the discussion I remember us having awhile back about your Dad looking to sell the tickets.
Glad to see the seats will stay orange and brown.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Rodgers kills it like Jared eats at Subway.
Automatic.
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I thought this team was turning a corner after the Steelers game, but I didn’t expect this. Today was a straight ass kicking.
My favorite Colt McCoy moment today was the play in which they had a miscommunication between McCoy and Hillis. The play looked busted from the start. Instead of panicking, McCoy out ran the free rusher, stayed calm, kept his eyes downfield and found I believe MoMass for a first down.
It was a simple play that could have been a loss of 5 yards, but turned into a first down. It was a thing of beauty.
My other note is that this Browns team is tuning into a sledgehammer. I watch other games and don’t see many teams that have the amount of physicality that we have. You could see it in the Pats late in that game. We didn’t just beat them on the scoreboard, we beat them up.
(Sidenote: I have never been more convinced that Wes Welker is a dud.)
McCoy is a keeper, man.
If your team continues flirting with drafting Luck or any other QB in this years draft, I’d be pissed. Your present and future QB was drafted this last year. Period.
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I am starting to believe that we won’t be close to drafting Andrew Luck.
I am totally cool with that.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
We won’t be close nor may we need to.
Also cool with that. Green, Orange and Brown sounds good :D
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by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
have you seen the Bills’ draft history?
i’d be surprised if they take someone they actually need.
by discoinferno083 on Nov 8, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Luck, Peterson, Prince A, AJ Green are all looking like pipe dreams. Time to start looking in the 10-15 range.
not a bad pick either. As of right now, I think thats a bit of a reach on fairly (great but not elite skill set, only one year of significant/early round production). If he finishes the season strong, I won’t hate the pick if we make it.
I don’t mind either the pick of Broyles, but I hate the Will Hill pick. He has prototypical measurables, but no picks this year. right now I want a Earl Thomas type and if not, just take a Corner and move Brown to FS (maybe one of the Colorado Corners). This is gonna be a very bad draft for Safeties, especially the earl thomas type.
On that Topic, how has Deandre McDaniel done this year?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
He hasn’t been as good this year. Last year he had 98 tackles and 69 the year before that. This year he has 45, but also 4 INTs. I’m not sure what round he’s supposed to go in… probably the 4th?
DaQuan Bowers is amazing though. He has 12 sacks compared to 3 last year and already has as many tackles as last year. But rufio said we wouldn’t have a place to put him on the line, because Clemson runs a 4-3 and we run a 3-4.
Yeah. Bowers seems like a 4-3 guy (like that one DE from GT I forget the name of). I know some places (including walterfootball…I know) had him as a first rounder (McDaniel) or 2nd rounder. I mean the guy has elite talent and puts up a lot of tackles so that does make some sense.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I absolutely loved Bowers in my Clemson NCAA 10 dynasty. I think I broke the sack record with him. Yeah, it was just a game, but I wouldn’t complain if we got him.
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by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Moore out of UCLA would be a great add at S. There usually aren’t 2 top-10 picks at S in a draft, I wouldn’t consider this one particularly weak. There are several guys who are 2nd rounders who could be solid compliments to TJ. I am not high on WIll HIll, I question his effort and that is never a good thing.
CU’s corners are not that good. The one is probably a mid-late second rounder depending on how he runs, but he’ll never be more than an average #2 IMO.
The kid you want from CU is Solder.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I haven’t heard of Solder.
I kinda like the CU Corners. I think that he could be a solid #2 if it is the one you are thinking of. I just like their physicality and playmaking ability.
Is Moore a FS and what would we have to spend for him? No SS or FS/SS Hybrids right now. we need an Earl Thomas type back there who can play centerfield and cause turnovers.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Mangini loves interchangeable safeties. The knock on Moore is his lack of size (under 200lbs). He can play centerfield—so he’d be what you want thought not necessarily what Mangini wants. I wouldn’t mind having him and teammate Akeem Ayers on the Browns but both might be gone by our 2nd pick.
Solder is a LT and I don’t know if he could play RT in the league or not. Freak athlete, plays a little too high, needs to refine his technique. 6’9", 315+lbs and he’s ripped (like 4-8% body fat). His weight room numbers are insane. Smart, hardworking kid as well. He’s likely to go in the late first round.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Solder sounds nice. My guess is with his strength, he would be a better fit at RT. His size is awesome, but I have always thought of LT as a technique position and RT as the guys who have the size of an LT, great strength, but maybe not the best technique.
I like what I found about moore. He is barely under 200 LBS and a solid year in the weight room could easily put him above (if the weight numbers I saw were accurate) 200. I do like what he did last year, but looking at his stats from this year…what happened?
Not sure if I would want to take him with our 1st rounder, but he looks like he will be gone by our 2nd rounder
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
When people find out you are good, they avoid you as a defender.
Typically, LT requires more athleticism and potentially less brute power. Every position on the field demands technique.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
thats true. Revis-esque
Yeah, all positions demand technique. however I have always thought of LT as a position where its much harder to get away with technique deficiencies.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You got that right, I’ve been saying that Colt McCoy, is going to be a star in this league every since we got him. I just hope the Browns know that as well,and not try to draft another quarterback, we don’t need one.
COLT MCCOY IS OUR MAN, THIS TEAM IS ON THE VERGE OF GREATNESS.
Browns, Indians, and Cavs,
Cleveland Fans, Support all of your teams.
by dawginhouston on Nov 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Was listening to the announcers when he threw that running pass that whats-his-name dove for and caught.
BEautiful throw, good heads up play, and all the announcers would say was how the receiver made such a great pass. I envisioned McCoys friends and family yelling at the TV, “What about the QB???”
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The play looked busted from the start. Instead of panicking, McCoy out ran the free rusher, stayed calm, kept his eyes downfield and found I believe MoMass for a first down.
This is what I love about him. there were 2 or 3 instances where it was a busted play that I saw that someone like seneca would have probably just turned into a loss or no gain, but he turned it into positive yardage.
Plus, the audible call on 4th down was brilliant. I don’t know why this isn’t tried more…
…Come on, welker isn’t a dud. Not only did he get 36 receiving yards but he kicked an extra point.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
That was one of the worst kicked footballs (high school games I’ve seen included) I’ve ever seen in my life.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
really?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
You can’t deny him that point. If kickers gain +1 point for an making an extra point than a wide receiver has to gain +1 point for doing the same thing. It’s the same reason running backs get points receiving. It’s a very odd situation, but the same principle.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I hope you could tell I was joking. I was with B19K on the whole “anti-welker thing” and I figured adding the XP would show how facetious I was being.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Correction, that was a 20 yard pass to MR. ROBO.
Stuckey watch: At least 10/30. Not sure at the moment. Point is, he's on pace to win me the bet.
by BrownDawg1409 on Nov 8, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Domo arigato, Mr Robo-to. I really liked seeing him catch a pass. Same with the Chainsaw Massaquoi.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they both could if we had a #1 Wideout. They would both probably be better suited in the slot. Just look at what “Stuckey in the middle” has done.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Nov 8, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
He can, we’d just need to play him in the slot. Our offense goes through the middle much more than other NFL offenses. So #2 (2nd eligible receiver in from the sideline) will be the primary read more often than the widest man.
If we get a true #1 WR, he takes the outside and can probably beat the coverages he will see. That leaves Mass and Robi in a lot of Man-0.
We’d also need to pass the ball more, probably.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I never would have imagined a word rhyming with Massaquoi. Rec.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
No timeouts. And it’s really dumb that not every play is automatically reviewed (i.e. college football).
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
They do that because College coaches can’t challenge like us.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. Pro OT is annoying, but college OT can be annoying too. However, college OT can get really intense…like the Illinois/Michigan Game.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
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I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It was so unfair. I thought you guys outplayed them.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
In a game where we rushed for 315 yards at 5 ypc, we kicked three times on fourth and one. Crazy that, in a 67-65 game, conservatism is what killed us.
"Have you ever thought about love????"
ahhh. That sucks. I was really rooting for you guys. My family though (on my mom’s side) went to Michigan, but even they were a bit torn about the loss. they were happy, but at the same time this might be enough for Rich Rod to stay and my Grandma hates him.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I agree. Making coaches challenge is dumb. If the call is wrong then the refs should fix it. Have a ref in the booth who looks at every play and lets the ref on the field know if a play should be reviewed.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
More commercials for the NFL.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
More reviews would equal more commercials.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
why? I personally think he is a bad coach. He might be a good DC, but not a good HC. with the talent and in-season production, they should have made at least one NFC Championship game.
This team has too much talent to be 1-7…even with their O-Line deficiencies and QB injury.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Bladed swastikas on a little league football team helmets?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
? They’re throwing stars.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Only one who is trying and he’s just kicking straight ass out there. However, his play is not enough evidence to support that we should’ve drafted him.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
…Haha, yeah. Second round WRs…
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
A guy like Johnathan Baldwin could drop to the 2nd in the ’11 draft. Looking at the ’09 draft, I would say he gets drafted top 15 and the 2nd WR taken.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
He is definitely really good, however I am still not 100% sold on his deep speed or him being a legitimate deep threat. He has been great, but he hasn’t made a ton of big plays before today and his first down % and yards per catch look more like the #s of a posession WR right now.
He definitely has stellar hands and body control.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I had roughly a 50 point lead in fantasy. Dorn has both Rodgers and Bryant. I’m terrified right now.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 7, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Had a feeling it would be too little to late knowing Rodgers wouldn’t be playing the 4th. The most disappointing is Garcon putting up 1 pt. I liked his matchup this week.
Same. But for some reason Eagles put their best CB on him.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhat OT (semi-off topic but kinda random): I just found out that Colt McCoy’s run was the longest by a QB in 36 years.
The guy 36 years ago? Mike Phipps.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
longest by a browns QB
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 7, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I assume you mean longest touchdown run by a QB, because Derek Anderson had a 33-yard run back in 2006 against Kansas City.
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by Chris Pokorny on Nov 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
They just announced that this could be only Phillips’ second losing season as a HC (excluding interim) in his career. This was hard for me to believe, but its true. However, he is the NFL’s version of a trust fund Baby
Denver: He takes over an 8-8 team with a Shannon Sharpe whose career is skyrocketing and John Elway…Plus awesome defensive talent like Steve Atwater. He goes 16-16 there.
Buffalo: He inherits a 6-10 team that was in essence, a QB away from being something good. 2nd year RB Antowain Smith (who was drafted in the first rd) steps up, the FO signs Doug Flutie, Eric Moulds becomes a Legit #1, and he inherits possible future HOFers in Reed and Thomas. Usurprisingly he goes 29-19 there.
Dallas: It goes without saying. he inherited a playoff team with an emerging QB in Romo, and other Elite talent like Terry Glenn, Marion Barber, TO, etc…
When hasn’t this guy been handed a great situation? And he has disappointed in every one (except possibly buffalo).
Look at what Mangini stepped into, He stepped into 2 terrible Situations and made them better.
Just examples of why effectiveness of coaching is not all Wins/Losses. Phillips is showing why this is his longest stint as a HC.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
We’re also better than Dallas.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I was meaning more the facemask but sure.
We’re better than the Cowboys and Vikings. I’d love to see this week’s power rankings.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to start a huge debate, but I honestly doubt we’ll gain too much ground in the ESPN power rankings.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
And the Cowboys will probably still be higher than us.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Except that they weren’t higher than us last week — we were 26 and the Cowboys were 29.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Maybe I’m thinking of the power rank the week before.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
So? We had the same record as the Vikings and Bengals and the Cardinals had a better record than us. Maybe we should have been ranked below them.
Let’s not start this silly debate again. Every team’s fans thinks their team is rated too low in the power rankings. It’s just the opinion of a few people, and there isn’t going to be one ranking that every fan in the country agrees on. It really doesn’t matter and there is no right answer so it’s not worth getting worked up about.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Oh I wasn’t trying to say we should have been ranked higher or anything like that. I don’t care that much about the power rankings. But I did look at them last week and was a little surprised we were ranked lower than some teams. I was just offering that maybe SB mistook the Cowboys for one of the teams that was ranked above us.
Power Rankings are silly. I know the Browns are the best team :)
either way, the browns will be getting some respect in the recent power rankings.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I in fact searched week 10 power rankings and found one someone on bleacher report did already and the browns were ranked 15th.
just food for thought of how people now respect us.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Keep an eye out for my power rankings of power rankings, coming Wednesday. Last week ESPN was two spots behind BleacherReport, but after Yahoo bumped the Colts down two spots, anything can happen!
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by Chemo on Nov 9, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy poop on a stick!!!!
I mean, I picked the Browns to win, but I had no idea it would be that bad of a whoopin’! Frickin’ awesome!
I, for one, am not looking forward to our next game if it means “win and in”.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
if it means "win and in".
That would be absolutely amazing.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Amazing if it’s for us, still amazing but slightly disappointed if we have to play spoiler again.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 7, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I will be happy for the Browns to wreck the Steelers season any time, any place.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Nov 8, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting little fact:
I looked up the Chansi Stuckey touchdown on youtube… And I wasn’t sure why it was called the fumblerooski. So I looked it up on wikipedia.
In 2007, the Spartans used a form of the fumblerooski against the Fighting Irish. The QB? Brian Hoyer, who if I’m not mistaken, backs up Tom Brady.
Ironic. Wonder if it brought back memories for him?
Cribbs said he was looking for Edelman because they both ran that play at Kent.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I watched the play over and over again on YouTube. The only person on the defense that wasn’t fooled is #96 LB Jermaine Cunningham, the only problem is that we was on the opposite side of the run.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Credit to Daboll: this is the kind of offense we should be running.
We need to have the waterboy “last game of the year, no reason to hold anything back now” attitude every week. Our defense is very good, but our offense hadn’t been able to stay on the field enough to give us a chance. We haven’t been able to move the ball or score consistently, so we dialed up the trick play to Stuckey, the fake punt, the lateral to Wright, etc. We have nothing to lose, we have to play like it.
I also felt that Daboll did a solid job of using constraint plays this week, without having looked too deeply at the film. It seems like 90+% of the time when Cribbs lines up at QB, he is going to run with the ball. We might run some window dressing that looks like a zone-read play, but it usually isn’t a read, it’s Cribbs all the way. We used that tendency to get the Stuckey TD score.
A little bit of the “eff you, we are running the ball” offense: Peyton Hillis had 9.8 ypc when the Pats had 8 or more in the box. Entering this week, the Pats allowed 1.3 ypc when they put 8+ in the box. In addition to that insane ypc number, Hillis also rushed for 3 first downs and a TD in those situations. I cannot emphasize enough how insane this is.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
It was great to see how psyched up the Browns players were throughout the game. The Browns have been believing in the team and Mangini’s system for only about a year now. Now they are getting some of the success they deserve.
I agree with you that this is what the Browns offense should look like and don’t hold anything back. I don’t think, that it was a gimmick or trick-play offense. To me, the offense was based on a solid run game, with McCoy making key throws in the clutch to convert long 3rd downs and open up the defense.
The Browns effectiveness running the ball was great, but not surprising to me. I think the Browns have frequently shown that they can flat out run the ball. In my opinion, they should have the “eff you, we’re running it” mentality in every game, all game. Even when down by 10 or 14 points, I believe a 60% run offense gives the Browns their best shot at scoring points. Only with less than about 8 minutes left in the game would I change that significantly.
I love the power running game but I get nervous when I see Hillis limping and Bell already out of the game with an injury. Not that I much care for Bell when healthy.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
I do not believe in looking at % of plays called to determine offensive balance.
If we have “trick plays” we should use them. I have been in favor of more Wildcat/Flash/Cyclone all year. We don’t usually get 1-2 big plays per game on deep passes, so we need to generate them from somewhere; trick plays, special teams, something. The trickeration and weird packages also help keep defenses off balance—something we aren’t very good at.
Everyone should be at least a little surprised by our success running the ball against 8 or more men in the box. The fact that we can run the ball isn’t too incredible. But when the defense adjusts to pay more attention to the run and we can still run anyway, that’s impressive.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Nov 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that we can run the ball isn’t too incredible. But when the defense adjusts to pay more attention to the run and we can still run anyway, that’s impressive.
I’m so enjoying the successful combination of well-deployed trick plays, Ryan’s confusing defensive alignments, and a rushing attack that says “OK, defense, here’s what we’re going to do. Let’s see if you can stop it!” Just flat out fun to watch deployed. Throw in Colt’s accuracy and some excellent reads, and this is a team to behold.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I get giddy when i see a pass from our QB that actually goes to the general vicinity of where it should go. i think DA was so epically horrible that he damaged my psyche.
That’s a bit unkind. Though I have never been a fan of DA, he had some good games. Epically horrible is a phrase I would reserve for someone like Paul McDonald circa 1984 or Ken Dorsey.
even in 2007 his accuracy was marginal and he was bailed out a lot by K2 and a BE who could actually hang onto the ball…plus Jurevicious.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Just because it is easier to get the ball into 12’ radiuses than 6’ ones doesn’t mean DA wasn’t getting the ball where it needed to go. Credit to him, despite the degree of difficulty.
Ken Dorsey was horrible.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
even in 2007 his accuracy was marginal
this was my basic point. in his best season in terms of accuracy, he ranked 28th out of 33 qualified QBs in completion % with, IMO, a better supporting cast than pretty much all the QBs below him.
In his best season in terms of accuracy, he was barely better than Trent Edwards, Rex Grossman, and Cleo Lemon in terms of accuracy. these are 3 QBs I consider marginal NFL QBs. Out of the 5 QBs that ranked below him, only 4 are in the NFL currently and only one is currently a starter.
THIS is why I consider his accuracy marginal.
the fact that K2 and BE were there has nothing to do with whether he is marginal or not. they are just there to prove that even with elite weapons, he was still marginal while guys like Cleo Lemon, Kellen Clemons, and Trent Edwards didn’t have weapons like that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I stated that he had some good games. I wouldn’t debate that his entire season numbers looked good. But, a QB that has a handful of good games should not be considered epically bad. Maybe my point of reference is different than yours. Can anyone here corroborate my comparison with Paul McDonald? I’d be interested in knowing.
QB that has a handful of good games should not be considered epically bad
I disagree with this premise. Jamarcus Russell was pretty epically bad but had a handful of good games. BQ had a handful of good games too.
Though I have never been a fan of DA, he had some good games. Epically horrible is a phrase I would reserve for someone like Paul McDonald circa 1984 or Ken Dorsey.
Paul McDonald had a handful of good games too. Ryan Leaf had a few good games too.
A QB is not what he does for a few games but overall in his career. every QB that has gotten significant starting opportunity has been able to put together a few good games.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I guess we can debate the term “epically bad” for awhile, but I know this: going into last season there were many followers on this site that believed DA to be a qualified starting NFL QB. You can try to revise history all you want, but that is a fact and would not have been true unless he had shown something of value previously. If you wish to label this as epically bad, I will have no problem with it or you.
going into last season there were many followers on this site that believed DA to be a qualified starting NFL QB. You can try to revise history all you want, but that is a fact and would not have been true unless he had shown something of value previously
Yes, there were some that thought he had promise. Yes, he showed value. However, in the statistics I place the most value in, he was pretty bad. Everyone has a different way of evaluating someone’s value and my process that puts a heavy emphasis on TD/INT rate, Comp %, and QB rating and less on total yards, total tds, etc… comes up with him not being that good in 2007.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Sign me up, I didn’t think he was a qualified starter, but I definitely wanted him starting over Quinn and thought he had “potential” to be a starter.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
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I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Peyton Hillis had 9.8 ypc when the Pats had 8 or more in the box. Entering this week, the Pats allowed 1.3 ypc when they put 8+ in the box. In addition to that insane ypc number, Hillis also rushed for 3 first downs and a TD in those situations.
Holy shit. A differential of +8.5 ypc. Lawrence Vickers, Steinbach, Mack, Yates, Porkchop, Hillis, first round is on me. Joe Thomas, I’ll buy you all the pancakes you want.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
I loved Mangini’s comments after the game when he basically said “This is how I envisioned a Browns victory.”
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 8, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Peter King -- MMQB
The last two weeks — with wins of 30-17 over New Orleans and 34-14 over New England — have convinced me of a few things. One: It would be a mistake to fire the imaginative Mangini and his hungry staff unless the bottom falls out on this team in the next two months. Holmgren, if he really is interested in going back to the sidelines, should tell the owner of the team, Randy Lerner, that he’s had a change of heart, and wants out to coach (pick one) San Francisco or Dallas or whoever. Two: The Browns aren’t far away from competing every week in their division. Three: Colt McCoy is afraid of nothing, and I think it’s unlikely the Browns will have to spend their first-round draft choice on a quarterback in 2011.
“The interesting thing about Colt is he had a much more difficult time not being the man than being the man,‘’ said Mangini. "That’s not the case with many rookies. When he wasn’t playing, he was dying. Think of what it was like for him at Texas — he played four years. Played right away, practically. He took every snap. So he gets here and doesn’t play much, and he doesn’t work with the first team much. Then, when it was time for him to play, I remember he stood up in front of the team before his first game, at Pittsburgh, and he said to the team, ‘Hey, you can count on me. I’m going to play well in this game.’ You can tell when a guy’s trying to convince you he’s confident, and you can tell when a guy actually is confident. Our guys believed in him.’’
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/07/mmqb-nfl-week-9/index.html
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I think he’s right about all of it. This team is really starting to come together. While the win against the Saints was big, it was somewhat of a lucky break (2 defensive TDs, brees playing like shit); this win over NE was so much better becasue we just beat them in every facet of the game by playting sound football. no lucky breaks, no flukes. we were better, plain and simple. it feels good to be able to say that.
This is my ideal style of football with a splash of improved passing game, and a bit better pass rush. On our way. Physical and tough will win a good number of games.
where do you find the cool stats like how RBs doo with 8 men in the box?
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It was on a sidebar at ESPN. It looked like it was something that they just tried to throw in there because it was noteworthy, not something they report all the time. FO probably keeps the stat somewhere.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
McKoy is no boy! Rumble young man rumble!
Looks like we have a Quarterback!
I’m laughing my brass off at all my friends here in the Northeast who have been giving me crap for being a Browns fan!
And who is this Hillis? The guy is a beast!
He’s the Juggernaut bitch!
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, after watching highlights of the game and checking stats (still don’t have television at our new place yet), here are my thoughts…
1) Colt McCoy should start for the remainder of this season. If he is playing as well as he is now, imagine how good he could be next year. I really like this guy and absolutely love his interviews. He may be the steal of the draft.
2) Peyton Hillis is a stud. He is no fluke, the guy can run the rock. We really need another back (Bell sucks) to give him breathers though. /Looks sadly at Hardesty in rehab…
3) Our defense seems to be doing a great job at disguising coverages. We are really improving defensively.
4) While Holmgren may think our WR’s are pretty good, I still hope that we can find a legit impact receiver over this off season.
"Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it."--Big Tom Callahan
THIS.
I dunno if the highlights showed it, but the 2 things I loved most about McCoy’s play was
-His ability to make something out of nothing (a broken play)
-His ability to call audibles.
i am calling it now, he IS the steal of that draft. there are only a couple guys right now I would even think have an argument as a bigger steal. Moeaki, Hern (both drafted later b/c of positional value though) and Shipley.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I don´t how we´re using the fullback as a feature back, whether it works or not. You´ll wear him out, and then he´ll get injured like he did in Denver. Stop doing that, I´m serious! He can get plenty carries at fullback in an I-formation.
Otherwise, Yay! Hurray! and Halleluja! Colt McCoy loose and limber in the pocket, and free to move around if the play breaks down, heck yeah!
It also looked like you found a way to support our slow linebackers, looked like gang tackling did the trick! Onward ho!
by mooncamping on Nov 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
I was patiently waiting for this and you didn’t disappoint.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
So after listening to Moony and having a FB as our RB and with McCoy starting we have become giant killers. Do I get a complimentary foil hat if I join MIDAS?
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
The best tinfoil hats are always homemade and express something of the wearer’s personality. Get after it.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Nov 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Took a look at the midseason numbers. This is what some of our players are on pace for this year….
HILLIS 1288 RuYds 14 RuTD 60 Re 458 ReYds 2 ReTD
WATSON 62 Re 720 ReYds 4 ReTD
WARD 104 TCK 30 AST 134 TOT 2 FF
FUJITA 70 TCK 30 AST 100 TOT 7 SCK 4 FF
RUBIN 54 TCK 20 AST 74 TOT
BENARD 18 TCK 8 AST 26 TOT 9 SCK
I was pretty high on Hillis when we traded for him, but can’t believe that he’s on pace for 1700+ yards from scrimmage and 16 TDs. Watson is as good as Winslow ever was, Ward is the real deal, Fujita’s been insanely good, Rubin is putting up linebacker numbers at nose tackle, and half of Benard’s tackles are sacks.
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I am amazed how well Hillis catches the ball. And Rubin is an unsung hero. That guy makes plays all over the field.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
How many carries is Hillis on pace for? I would like that number under 400.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
perfect number. Just above 250, but not above the 300 threshold. I would maybe like a few less carries so he is closer to 250 which is Ideal IMO, but thats just nitpicking.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
He had a couple weeks where Harrison stunted his numbers, though.
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It’s all those extra tackles he makes on the sidelines. Lateral agility and effort FTW.
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This. As I was saying yesterday, the man is everywhere.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
When I watch the post roll in during the game threads, I see people that analyze every throw of Colt´s, and grade every drop back. The thing with Colt is you have to look at the big picture. He makes the throw when he needs to. The rollout to Cribbs – very few people in the NFL make that throw. Not Tom Brady, not Drew Brees, not Peyton Manning. Thinking of him as a game manager is missing the fact that he is a winner. Period.
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there are plenty of QBs who can make that throw.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Nov 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think he’s referring to escaping the sack like that AND making the throw. That’s hard to do, but other QBs have done it. It’s just a difficult play.
I still think there are plenty of QBs that can make it.
Playing QB in the league isn’t about making the one play that no one else can make, it is about consistently throwing the ball into semi-tight spaces, maintaining possession, recognizing coverage, and playing quick, intelligent football.
If Colt can consistently make the aforementioned play, that’s when he’s playing well.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I know. I wasn’t arguing that no other QBs can make that throw, just that avoiding a sack and making a nice throw is difficult.
the fact is, I dunno if either of our other QBs on the roster make that play
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
While we want to do better than Jake and Seneca’s play to this point, I would love to have someone who could do more than Sanchez his way into the playoffs. I don’t think Peyton could have made the athletic part of that play, but I’d still take him over Colt for the time being.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I only used the term “game manager” above because Hillis seems like the feature of this offense. I definitely has a very different meaning in my head for the term than everyone else here. Once I heard Trent Dilfer thrown in there, I took it back. What I meant was, he’s an awesome quarterback with the ability to make the plays that need to be made to extend drives and move the ball down the field.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I think in the sense that this is a “run it right at you” offense, he is a game manager. this is a running offense and one predicated on shorter accurate passes too. the problem is the negative connotation with “game manager” that you get compared to Trent Dilfer, Elvis Grbac, etc…
His skill set is definitely much more than a game manager, but his specified role is that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I get what you’re saying. As you can see above ‘game manager’ has a bit of a negative connotation associated with it. Hence, Trent Dilfer’s name being thrown around.
by Monsters of the Midway on Nov 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
PATS D:
25th in PA, 29th in YA, 29th in PYA, 21st in RYA
SAINTS D:
5th in PA, 3rd in YA, 1st in PYA, 17th in RYA
For the record the Jets are 3rd, 6th, 17th, and 4th in those categories. We’re going to have our hands full with their run defense and McCoy’s going to have to make some plays in the air.
I’m surprised their pass D is that bad with their secondary.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Brodney Pool?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Revis Cromartie Wilson.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Loved seeing Mangini get the gatorade and the Thomas/Daboll chest bump. As much crap as those guys have gotten, I loved seeing them really enjoy winning. This team seems to have the same kind of gritty win, SF Giants torture thing going for them. No big stars, but a really good team.
by HenryDawg on Nov 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The chest bump is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time, some one needs to gif it.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Going into Week 10 last year, we had one win: the 6-3 disaster against Buffalo. The other games were pretty much blowouts.
Now we’re 3-5 (and sadly could be 5-3) and after the Jets, we could still have that 7-9 season I was predicting because our schedule gets way easier. Maybe even better!
10-6!
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Nov 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
8 – 5 at the worst.
I think we’re capable of even better.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
8-8?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Wow. Just watched the top 10 weekend plays on ESPN… The Browns game was in the mix, but it was the pass Tom Brady threw that deflected off someone’s hands and Aaron Hernandez caught it for the TD.
Ridiculous. There was also some no-name college team that got on the top 10 because their RB hurdled a defender. You’d think that when we blew out the Patriots, we’d get some plays in there. Like… Maybe the play where Hillis hurdled the defender. Or the Chansi Stuckey TD. But no. We see a Tom Brady TD, a horse race, a soccer goal that wasn’t even super impressive, and a no-name college RB doing exactly what our RB did.
I smell a conspiracy against the Browns.
Please stop. ESPN and SI and everyone else have been praising the Browns all day today and yesterday. Let’s stop this silly “the media doesn’t respect the Browns” complaint.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
It is a little silly to complain about (because who really cares what plays were “top-10”), but at least he is making a valid comparison with evidence to back it up:
Hillis made a play that was just like the other play, yet we didn’t get in the top-10. We had lots of plays that were candidates, yet none got in. We had trickeration for a TD, a fan-favorite QB of two huge fan bases making a sweet TD run, and multiple Peyton HIllis plays to choose from.
Like I said, probably silly to complain about but it is a little surprising, is it not?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Not really. I’m sure every game had 2 or 3 plays which could be top plays. I have no idea how they chose them, but it’s ridiculous to complain that there is some bias keeping the Browns out of the top 10 plays. I would also guess that they probably try to show plays in there which they didn’t have time to show in their other highlights and they showed some of the Browns highlights in the game recap so that may be why they showed other plays. I don’t really know.
It’s also amusing that he claims that a run from some “no name college RB” shouldn’t be in there because evidently we don’t know who that person is so it couldn’t have been worth watching. Isn’t that attitude exactly what people on here complain about with ESPN, that they favor big-name players and teams? And now someone is complaining that they show a highlight of a college RB that he doesn’t know? It seems like he’s just looking for a reason to complain, like many other people do about the media.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I couldn’t care less about Top Ten Plays, but I was a little surprised not to find a Browns story on the front of ESPN.com, or even on the ESPN.com NFL page yesterday evening. I also wasn’t especially impressed with the network coverage during the highlights/gameday wrap-up stuff. Maybe I’m too biased for my own good, but I thought the Browns win was the game of the day.
by Western Reserve on Nov 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re right. Maybe Vick returning and leading the Eagles over the Colts or the Giants and Packers blowouts. Personally I think the Browns ending the Patriots 5 game win streak in the manner that we did is more impressive out of those games.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Maybe I’m too biased for my own good, but I thought the Browns win was the game of the day.
Of course, but I’m sure fans of the Eagles and Chargers and Vikings and Falcons and other teams might disagree. Every fan thinks their team deserves more coverage in the media. Every fan thinks their wins are more important than other team’s wins. Every fan thinks their team is better than the media gives them credit for. This isn’t a viewpoint that’s unique to Browns fans.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Yeah, but the Browns game was pretty damn awesome regardless of what team you’re a fan of.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
When have you EVER seen me complaining about the media? I mean, EVER? You’re honestly going to say that I’m looking for a reason to complain?
Look, if you don’t agree then fine. However, I don’t think I’m the only one that thinks it’s a little strange that a couple of the plays from the Browns games were more impressive than at least a few of the plays that made the top 10. And it’s not like I came at it saying “WTF? Another week the Browns didn’t make the top 10? I can’t believe this BS. It’s a conspiracy!”
In the end, no. It’s really not a huge deal that we didn’t make the top 10 plays. But seriously! A handful of other people have already said they were at least surprised that some of the plays from the Browns games weren’t covered more. The fact that you don’t agree doesn’t mean that it’s not worth mentioning or that I’m just looking for a reason to complain about the media.
I smell a conspiracy against the Browns.
You did say that.
I’m sorry, that wasn’t meant against you personally. I just get tired of hearing people around here complain every single week that we don’t get enough coverage in the media. And some people here DO look for things to complain about, because they complain about he dumbest things. No, I don’t remember you specifically doing it before, so I’m sorry if it seemed like I was coming down hard on you because I didn’t mean to do that.
But, come on, after a full day of football Saturday and Sunday, not to mention other sports going on, there are literally dozens and dozens of great plays they could show. They only picked 10. I don’t really see why it’s worth even mentioning that they didn’t show a Browns play. Who really cares? And you did end with “this smells like a conspiracy” so it certainly seemed like you were saying that.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
Fair enough. It did seem like you were coming down a bit hard on me, but now I know that wasn’t your intention so I think we’re good there.
I don’t think ESPN gets together and says “Oh man, this Browns play was a good one… BUT they’re the Browns, so lets find a different one.” But I do think that the more talented teams see a little bit of favoritism from national media, and I think it’s planned- But I also think it makes sense and is smart. I think they want to appeal to the widest range of viewers, and the Patriots have a lot more fans accross the nation (lots of front-runners) than teams like the Browns or the Bills or other less popular teams. So I don’t think that’s the final factor, but I think it plays a part in what they show and don’t show.
And it makes sense. If you’re a Cleveland radio station, you’d be foolish to talk about any football team besides the Browns because you won’t be appealing to the greatest audience. ESPN is a national media outlet, so it makes sense they’d try to appeal to the greatest national audience possible, and the Browns probably just don’t do that at this point.
At the same time, though, it’s really not a huge they didn’t choose a Browns play for the top 10.
All I am saying is that you often demand a higher standard of coherent arguments and proof/evidence to back up what people say. I like that this is a place where intelligent conversation happens, and I thank you and Chris and BK and everyone who helps make it run this way.
But you also say that dissenting opinion is welcome. Shep goes a little far with “conspiracy” but he had a point with at least some form of facts to back it up and you pretty much asked him not to make it. Considering you have invested a significant amount of comments to explain to everyone that there is no anti-Browns slant in the media, can’t you see how one might think that you are letting your investment in this argument get in the way of your “objectivity” here?
I agree that it would be a little non-nonsensical for the media or a specific outlet to have a bias against one team in particular, but shouldn’t this viewpoint at least be considered and not written off as “silly” if there is actually a point to be made? I guess I thought you were a little harsh on him because of the topic and not because of the validity of the point itself, which I thought was supposed to be what is under review here. Maybe I’m wrong.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Nov 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I read shep615’s comment and wagered I’d see you post this within three comments, BB. Dead on, too.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Nov 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. From what I’ve seen its the usual “what happened to the Patriots” not “the Browns smacked down the Patriots” Also in the highlights I saw last night, 2 of the 4 plays they showed were Bradys TDs. It doesn’t matter what they think or say though. The less respect we get I have a feeling we’ll play better with that chip on the shoulder
by HenryDawg on Nov 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Browns have been getting plenty of compliments. Of course they’re also going to talk about how poorly the Patriots played, because a 6-1 team isn’t supposed to lose to a 2-5 team, but they’re all giving the Browns credit. Read Peter King’s MMQB today, he’s praising the Browns all over the place.
. . . says the man from Columbus.
well first of all, one of those Pats TDs was just ridiculous…
Second of all, they probably also showed for us the Fumblerooski and the Colt TD as other plays. I can’t think of a 3rd play that was THAT much better than the 2nd Pats TD.
the browns are getting respect though. like BB also said.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Tipped pass and a fade to the corner aren’t that unusual. But even more to the point is that the highlights should reflect the game, meaning they should have shown mostly Browns highlights.
by HenryDawg on Nov 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
highlights should be the “highlight plays” of the game. the idea is to show the best and/or key plays of the game. thats what I felt they generally did.
Really? that play by Hern isn’t that unusual? Yeah, guys catch tipped passes in the end zone after an amazing leap ALL THE TIME right?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Seriously, campers – whw should it matter whether a Brown made one of the Top 10 plays. We won the game, and, let’s face it, that play by Hernandez was pretty amazing.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
I don’t care that we weren’t on there. I’m just surprised that we didn’t make it, because we had a lot of good plays that game.
First fantasy game all season I didn’t start hernandez. He scores twice. Figures.
by johnnyphoenix on Nov 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think pulling off a fumblerooski and getting a big play out of it always deserves to be in the top 10…thats just my opinion
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
It wasn’t actually a fumblerooski because the ball was never put on the ground. Cribbs handed it off directly to Stuckey, the trick is hiding the small receiver behind the right guard and disguising the handoff, and lastly snapping the ball while the rest of the o-line is standing up so the defense isn’t prepared.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
That horse race was absolutely epic. Did anybody else see that?!? I got into horse racing a few years back, it’s really a very exciting event even just for a brief moment.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Incredibly exciting. Wish she had won
by HenryDawg on Nov 8, 2010 4:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you need a good Monday morning pickmeup, there’s no better source for comedic handwringing than the mile high report. Hilarious!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I know the Pats fan are probably gone, but I do want to commend them on their website. Their review of the game was excellent (no blaming so and so, just flat out stating “we got beat”) and I’ve enjoyed all of those from the site who came over here this past week.
So, Pats fans, if you’re reading, thanks for being classy.
by DisplacedBuckeye on Nov 8, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, I love being reminded that we got Hillis for NOTHING… oh yeah, they threw in a 6th round pick HA!
And here I thought we’d be getting pocket lint for BQ.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Two picks. We get a conditional 2012 as well.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Hey
Brownies fans, I’m glad Peyton Hillis is working out for you. There are so many angry Broncos “fans” that are mad we let him go. 2009 was horrendous for him but 2010 seems to be working out all right. You should smack the Jets around. The Lions lost only because Julian Peterson went braindead, a transgression for which should put him on the unemployment line in the D. Well, I’m glad you guys are having success. Perhaps we can have Broncos-Browns in the playoffs again, just like the good old days!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Nov 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions
was 2009 truly horrendous or was he just shafted for PT by McD?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
The Way
I assess it: he fumbled a lot and he supposedly didn’t have that great of an attitude. That could be a bunch of hogwash but the point is he’s not in Denver anymore and he’s working out well for you.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Nov 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think the attitude is a bunch of hogwash. I have never heard anything from the guy that suggests a bad attitude…unless you are referring to the rumors he porked McDs wife.
Maybe he was fumbling in practice because he never got on the field enough to have fumbling problems.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I love Hillis, but he does fumble too damn much.
That being said, I still love him.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 8, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I love him too.
And AP fumbles like f-ing crazy but he’s still the best back in the NFL.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not for long.
Yeah, I said it.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
And boom goes the dynamite.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Peterson has actually done a good job with that this season.
I think he has 0 fumbles this season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Nov 9, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Time will tell. But even then, it was a major problem for him but he was still the best RB in the league.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 9, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
hillis was interviewed on the scott van pelt show this afternoon. he seemed very humble and respectful, so I doubt he had an attitude problem in denver. mcdaniels likely shafted him. or he shafted mcdaniels’ wife. either way.
by Dawg Nuts on Nov 8, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I had the opportunity to be down there yesterday. It was interesting how the crowd was. Surprisingly quiet especially when the Patriots had the ball. It was like people were holding their breath waiting for something bad to happen. Anyway, I stenciled this on to my Browns sweatshirt…
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Nov 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
The Packers just cut Al Harris.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Just what we need. Another old CB who falls on his face at least once a game.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Nov 8, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is how I see Colt McCoy compared to our other QBs:
-Seneca wallace is good at handling a broken play, getting out of the pocket and pressure and finding a guy for a positive gain. However, I have not at all been impressed with seneca’s pre-snap ability to read a D and his audibling (though he is a career backup)
-Jake Delhomme can read a defense at the line and call an audible. This is one of his strengths and one of the arguments for him in Seneca vs. JD. However, Delhomme’s true problem has been when a play breaks down. when a play breaks down, he can’t escape and often seems to make bad decisions.
-Colt McCoy on sunday showed he can call key audibles at the line AND he showed he can handle a broken play and make positive yardage.
-Jake Delhomme’s downfield ability is a threat. Though he is not the best QB at stretching the field, he is good enough so Ds can’t load 8 men into the box.
-Seneca, outside of one game with us, has never been much of a threat to throw downfield. Seneca has always trended to the dink and dunk game. However, defenses have to account for his ability to scramble and escape the pocket.
-Colt has shown in limited time that he can be a threat to throw downfield AND that he can scramble to escape the pocket.
After this game and the progression Colt showed coming out of the bye week, it is hard to make an argument that Seneca or JD are better options to start than Colt. Statistically, he is our best option to start and in the sense of what he brings to the field and his skills, he is the best option
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Some Interesting Statistics
Right now, no team in the NFL has greater than 6 wins. So if we maximized the current opponent’s wins possible as if we only played teams with the best record it would be 48. The actual number is 42.
The rest of the opponents we face have a combined win total of 29. For contrast, the same number for the Cardinals who must have one of the softest schedules to finish the season (49ers twice, Cowboys, Carolina, Denver) is 21.
This is kind of a funny aside… The Cardinals play 5 teams with current wins of 2 or less to finish the season. Though they are 3-5 right now, same as the Browns I predict they win their division. LOL. Go Derek!
Brownsyup
I love how you guys get so excited over a cheap win against a team clearly looking ahead to their Sunday Night game in Pittsburgh next week.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
Hey, Negative Nancy! Way to… ummm… You might be right.
But even still, it’s not like they gave the win away. We played hard and earned it.
Sorry that was /sarc or /imitation. Been kind of quiet around here lately.
Yes I am an ass.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I understand, as a big daddy come and take my spot type of demeanor?
by mooncamping on May 14, 2010 7:24 AM EDT
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