Cleveland Browns vs. Buffalo Bills - Official Game Thread (Part II)
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST
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PrintIt hasn't been a pretty game offensively for the Cleveland Browns thus far after some early success running the football. Cleveland is down 10-6 at the half.
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Game: Cleveland Browns vs. Buffalo Bills
Date/Time: Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 1:00 p.m. EST
Local Television: WOIO/CBS, Channel 19 (Cleveland)
Announcers: Don Criqui & Steve Beuerlein
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doh!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions
YOU CAN DO IT!!! FAMOUS WORDS FROM TONY LITTLE!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions
And here I thought that was Rob Schnieder.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
little was first
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Please wash your hands if you were typing in the first half thread.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Dec 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And gargle with mouthwash as well.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
we get an int. here on this drive!! i feel it!
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by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Ward for 6.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Fitzpatrick very quick to release. Good play by Buffalo there.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions
he’s playing better than I expected.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
wow, doh!!
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by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions
this is completely speculation…could Daboll be let go at the end of the season..maybe..just maybe McDaniels be brought in as the OC
Yes to firing Daboll, no to McDaniels.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Colt.
Didn’t mean to imply that Daboll was the only part of the puzzle that needed changed, though….
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
No McD. Plus we have Hillis.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
nice blitz
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions
Damn, I thought Wright might get called for roughness
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Time to try to get Watson involved off of playaction after we run it a bit.
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lions D stout today against the fudge packers!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions
that was a terrific play from a terrible player.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Because we ran all on the first drive. Percent is skewed.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thought that percent was pass/run.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Because we ran all on the first drive. Percent is skewed.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Gaining yards and getting Watson involved? Inexcusable.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
That should be Daboll’s job.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
F*cking retarded.
We have three yards to go, Hillis averages 6 yards…
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
thats a good point. Its not a bad playcall though but bad execution by delhomme.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Now, it’s not a bad play call, because bad is far to light a term. It was an absolutely awful play call.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I didn’t catch until chris pointed out that there were no routes over the middle. that makes it not a good playcall…but I don’t disagree with the decision to pass.
you point out hillis’ ypc and I can point out JDs high comp % today to that point.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
uh, no
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not me.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nay.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure this is a proper use of democracy, myself.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
SB picks a different dancing partner every week.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I started nothing, once again.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah… you never start anything.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
like the aflac goat says, nah…nah…nah!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Horrible playcall with five wide to not have any route in the middle.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
Don’t tell Dorn, he’ll cuse at you.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
very good point. did not notice that about the routes.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Delhomme was also staring at Stuckey all play long, didn’t even look at other options.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Bills vs. Browns must be an ugly game. It is written.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan needs to walk over to delhomme and daboll and smack their heads together and remind them that they either stop being dumbf*cks and get their act together or they’re both out on their asses.
His defense has been carrying this team for god knows how long.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 12, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not in this game though.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the problem: Buffalo has a running and passing game. We have a run game, but no passing game.
That and Fitz averaging 10+ yards a carry on the ground. Mobile QB for the win.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the problem: We are not running the ball.
Admittedly, the Bills are playing good offense, but we are capable of out scoring them, even with them playing at this level.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
If that was the answer, we would have a TD right now.
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
I don’t see why I’m getting called out. While I may be a little overzealous, what I’m saying is merited by the Browns terrible play.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
“Please offensive apologists, keep talking.”
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, but the offense is terrible for God knows what reason.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
it’s just annoying. But never mind. Let’s watch the game.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we get it: don’t bring it up every single comment.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Can we learn to defend the screen play please?
by HenryDawg on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we can even try one every so often…I think.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
saint bernard!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Nice one, Marcus!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Amen.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
UNLEASH THE RHINO
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Free the beast.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
whew!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:52 PM EST reply actions
make that boy look like he jacked off an elephant, give him some stick-um!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Man. Golan’s point about our ball handling stands strong. Lucky we kept that one.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions
This is getting ridiculous.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions
jeeezz, they were waiting on that!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
get four yards back?
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions
Looked like Hillis tried to take that one and fucked everything up.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions
Well, if that punt return is any indication…
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
about 3 fumbles and an AMAZING recovery by Cribbs.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Serious comedy of effing errors.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Or all in one word: ineptitude.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
a punt
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns dropping some chili all over the field.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
that dont smell like chilli son!
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by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What not at least try to go for the first down? Legitimate question, I’m seriously wondering if anyone might have an explanation why we don’t at least try to go for the first down when we’re losing 10 to 6?
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Delhomme.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
we would not have done anything differently under those conditions with Colt.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Very hard to know that.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s even harder to say anything would have been different. McCoy has played more conservatively than Delhomme, in fact, that’s why people like him better.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I still think the odds of converting a 3rd and 16 are so low that it doesn’t make a difference.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
that’s not the point. the point is that he seems to make more conservative decisions.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
third and SIXTEEN
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
that’s not what I thought we were talking about:
I’m seriously wondering if anyone might have an explanation why we don’t at least try to go for the first down
Delhomme.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Jake chose a dubious checkdown. Plus, he’s afraid (as am I) of throwing yet another pick 6 to kill our game. Also, as Emily said above, I trust Colt’s arm and decision making more than Jake’s. That’s all.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Probably hoping for a defensive score.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Field position, but that didn’t really work too well, either.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
there’s a whole quarter left, it’s 16 yards, the ball is wet, it’s 16 yards.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
the hell is this shit?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Delhomee-led football, with a heavy dose of poor defense.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
please, this can hardly be put on Delhomme, he’s not the one dropping the ball all over the field.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
he’s also not the one who got stuffed three times on the goal line.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
A big fat THIS, but some still think every time we’ve passed that we should have run…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was convinced it’s the offensive playcalling, but there is definitely a lot more to it than that.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I’m not sure what exactly is going wrong, it just looks like poor execution all around. I think it’s hardly fair to blame it on Delhomme. If people are going to blame one player, at this point it’s Hillis.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
The guy has over 5 yards per carry, and only lost one fumble, same as Delhomme. And hasn’t killed as many drives as Delhomme/Daboll.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
he’s put the ball on the ground three times and is lucky to have only lost one. Also, until someone can tell me how this is Delhomme’s fault I’m not gonna bother with that crap.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t blame Delhomme directly. He doesn’t have receivers that can get open. And I guess, it’s not his fault he sucks, maybe.
It’s on Daboll. Definitely not on Hillis. If you want to claim fumbles, well he lost just as many as Delhomme, the other didn’t affect the drive at all, and the other one was forced by the ground but went in the boxscore as a fumble anyway. And we recovered the groundforced fumble also.
How the hell do you think it’s on Hillis more than anyone else?
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
And Delhomme’s fumble wasn’t crucial? It gave them a virtually guaranteed FG, possible TD.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
When did I say that you said it wasn’t?
Last I read it was a question.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
The only comment I made was that Hillis’s fumble was critical. Then you brought up Jake. That’s a straw
Delhomme’s fumble also wasn’t his fault.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
he fumbled when we were already in field goal range, he is possibly responsible for the fumbled reverse.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me that you’re reaching, hard.
I’m not buying it. Hillis might be the only thing on this offense that is worth a damn. (Also some of our o-line, and Vickers. )
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Like I said, it is in no way his fault we’re losing this game, but he’s the only individual who you could possibly make that argument for
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Keep making that Hillis over Delhomme argument for fault.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just not convinced that if it’s more on Hillis than Delhomme.
Personally, I’ll agree it’s on the whole team, but definitely not most on Hillis.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Hillis brought some real positives today to go with his errors. At least there’s some balance with him.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is solely responsible for the browns not having at least 3 more points. Delhomme is not.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah… It’s Delhomme’s fault the line can’t block today…
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, yeah put this on Hillis.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I’m not putting it all on Hillis. That’s the point. It’s not one player’s fault, and if it is, it’s definitely Hillis over anyone else.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree. If it is one person’s fault, it’s definitely Daboll over anyone else.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I agree with this.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m inclined to agree, but it’s hard to know.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
So have we. At least the first half of the season.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
My God, what in the hell happened on that reverse anyway?
Just awful execution.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
The call was good, Hillis tried to take the ball is what it looked like to me, and it all went downhill from there. That being said maybe Delhomme tried to hard to sell the fake.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no reason to funk around ten yards behind the LoS in crud weather.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Trickeration is our strong hand.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just about nothing has worked so far. What can the team do to win?
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
run the entire clock, punch it in for a td.
or a long bomb/screen pass for a long gain/TD.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I bet we’ll try a deep wheel route with Hillis at one point.
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Yes.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
give you three guesses if we’re utilizing vickers or not…
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually we are.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t watch it. What seems to be the problem, are the receivers not getting open, is it the play calling, Delhomme, the fumbles, what?
Everything. Can’t pin it on one person. This is a team effort to lose.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Playcalling, bad defense, playcalling, fumbles, playcalling, Delhomme
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
either we are sillies, or it’s all rigged.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Delhomme was stripped of the ball, refs called it incomplete.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
it was an INC.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
They blew the whistle before Buffalo picked up the ball, didn’t they? You can’t award a team the ball after the whistle blows it dead…?
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that’s what I’m wondering. I thought these things can’t be challenged.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t think so either, but otherwise I don’t know why they would challenge.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well we are the Browns, the officials don’t follow rules when calling out game. See Winslow, Kellen or Johnson, Kevin.
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
What really kills Buffalo is that they had an easy scoop return TD, but the whistle killed the play.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Soooooo…
Joe Thomas getting beat by a Buffalo lineman is an extreme microcosmic of this game.
ROHC THE SOHC.
oh come on, how is that his fault?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’ve said this every week for 2 seasons, and I don’t care if I’m repeating myself or sounding to neagtive – BENCH DELHOMME AND FIRE DABOLL RIGHT NOW.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
Tell me how that was Delhomme’s fault. Please.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t make decisions fast enough, can’t see the entire field and has no scrambling or roll out ability. Good enough for ya?
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
not good enough. he didn’t let someone blow right past him.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
HOW THE FUCK!?!?!?!?!?!
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by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions
scroll up, bro. or are toy just venting?
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about. The whistle’s blew before the ball was grabbed from anyone. I do not understand how they get the ball.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Because Buffalo clearly recovered the football. It doesn’t matter if the whistle blew.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
WTF YES IT DOES!
You hear the whistle blow, you stop playing. Are you serious?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, its the rule.
I don’t understand why you are freaking out.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure SB is right here. once the whistle blows thats it. you can’t assume someone would have recovered a fumble.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. If you hear a whistle blow, you no longer pursue.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
They changed the rule a couple of years ago. If there is a clear fumble recovery after the whistle blows, it counts.
Exactly.
It is a rule to cover the ass of officials who blow the whistle too early on fumbles. This is nothing new.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, unless this is some unwritten rule I’ve never heard of, once the whistle blows the play is dead and it was recovered after the whistle.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
that is a terrible, awful rule. I’m talking miles worse than the QB protection rules. That is unfathomable to me. I can’t believe that rule exists.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I feel the same way.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Its actually a good rule that rewards a team even if a ref makes a poor call.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Of course you think it’s stupid.
You didn’t even know it 3 minutes ago.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
What does that even mean?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
no, it’s an awful rule. I really don’t see how any argument to the contrary. once the whistle blows, players stop playing. how can you punish players for obeying the rules?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Always pick up the football.
It’s that easy. If there is even a .00000001% chance it is a fumble, pick it up. You don’t have to hit anyone, the ball is right there. Pick it up.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
then they need to amend the rules to say the play ends five seconds after the whistle.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s say the Browns caused a fumble, but the refs whistled it dead, even though we clearly recovered it.
That is somehow better?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
yes. it’s a bad call, but those happen. a bad rule is a bad rule.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
The rule erases a bad call.
I can understand why people don’t like it, I just believe it saves more bad calls/ bad football in the end.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t agree with that. that rule creates bad calls. when half of the players stop at the whistle, like they’re supposed to, and get penalized for it, the rule can’t possibly be good.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
No, that rule is flat out awful, and not knowing about it has nothing to do with that. What good is the whistle if it doesn’t actually matter? Just keep hitting and you may recover a fumble…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing counts after the whistle blows.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Scroll up and read my reply to CP, I saw this coming a mile away. The refs do not follow rules when calling Browns’ games. See Winslow, Kellen or Johnson, Kevin. Funny thing is we were clinging to the last threads of playoff hopes in both those games too.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
brown looks like he tore his bicept!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions
The sky is falling.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
is there an injury TO happening right now?
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
bowens…..is not moving!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions
Bowens knocked out cold.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
good lord….it rains it pours….who hit him?
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like the other defender landing on his head/neck?
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Up and walking off. Good news.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Todays threads feel like they belong on cleveland.com
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
by Browns town on Dec 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You’ll have to excuse us. We’re watching the Browns’ worst game of the season, buddy.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Oh please. What – is it unfair to criticize when they are playing absolutely horribly?
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
by DaveDawg09 on Dec 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this better provide a spark. We need to stop getting pushed around and start breaking some heads.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions
He seems to be okay. Announcers say he got up and walked on his own.
by emily522 on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well thats a good sign!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions
oh god no, dont put him in panic mode!! weve seen what he can do then!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
poor guy.
they’d be in the game, otherwise.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot comprehend why we are not just running all over these guys. Of course, we cannot exploit the worst run D in the league.
ROHC THE SOHC.
Because the Bills don’t respect the deep pass.
Their defense is packed inside a 10 yard buffer range.
When you don’t throw deep, the defense doesn’t have to defend it. we are fighting with a hand tied behind our back.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
a corner named reggie corner? ha
Jake is my hommeboy
by davus on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
maybe they can catch our fumblitis
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
our run defense has been embarrassing.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
oh come on, they haven’t been that bad.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
against Buffalo’s OLine, this is awful. their center has never played the position before, and their right guard is some guy off the street.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
who’s in the buff?? lol
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I’m trying not to picture Criqui announcing in the nude.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nice one, Abe.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
We have a short field to work with now. Let’s get that TD and tie this game.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
But we should only be running it… all game…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
i really wish we would throw it more than 1 yard pass the los!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions
We can’t do jack shit on offense today.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions
He never had possession.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
what the fuck!!!!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions
Nope, not Jake’s fault at all.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions
his arm was hit as he threw, so correct.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
You really like Jake, eh?
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah… it’s his fault the line can’t block today…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
no, I can’t wait for McCoy to be healthy, but I’m disgusted by how quickly people start criticizing the guy for absolutely no legitimate reason.
There are plenty of good reasons to rag on the guy. stick to those.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
For the most part, I’m not convinced we haven’t.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
the fumble and pick were not Delhomme’s fault. the offensive ineptitude in general was not completely Delhomme’s fault. and yet, many people here are convinced that with a different QB all of our problems would be solved.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that. Delhomme’s QB rating today was 49.2 though, and that last pick I do consider something he shares the blame for.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
can I get your reason as to why he shares blame for that pick?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of awareness of the pressure, lack of mobility to evade it at all.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
watch that play again, and tell me where the hell he was supposed to go. he almost got swallowed up by the entire bills defense.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I promise to check the replay when I have access to it.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I will too, I could be misremembering the play entirely.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I looked at it again. He didn’t have room to step up, you were correct there.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
the dumpoffs were his fault. the decision to throw the dumpoff when hillis was pretty heavily covered was his fault. Some of his decisions on passes (like the deep pass to royal who sucks when they showed in the replay that Momass was more open a yard pass the 1st down marker) are his fault.
These are IMO the “good reasons to rag on the guy” as you said. Even if these plays are made, we still probably lose, but we would at least have a better shot at winning. He was not the reason we lost but some of his decisions did contribute to it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I mostly agree with this. I’m not sure to what degree the dump offs are his fault, but he certainly takes some of that.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I also am not sure. maybe our guys weren’t getting open deep. It is still upsetting to see so many dumpoffs and poor decision making. The only 2 I can conclusively blame were the play where I saw MoMass somewhat open (for a 1st) and he passed it so Royal who sucks, and the play at the end of the 1st half. Maybe there were guys guarded downfield on the latter play, but then force it in. I would rather him try to force it deep in that situation than take a 3 yard dumpoff.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
To be fair, the rush was coming from his frontside. He needs to throw that ball earlier or step up in the pocket.
I’m not saying St. Clair didn’t get manhandled, but Delhomme needs to be better in that spot.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
he could have thrown it earlier, but there was no pocket to step in to.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
It would be nice if he had some mobility.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree in general, but I don’t think it would have helped on that play.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, I don’t see how you say that a INT is not at all the QBs fault unless it was a perfect throw and a drop by the WR. It was still mostly just a great play.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Lack of protection, it was a quick pass and he still got popped.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
…yes, and a lack of protection. I guess I don’t agree with the notion that he shold get 0% of the blame. I think he should get some, but not a lot. If I remember correctly, it seemed like he held onto the ball for a little while and maybe could have gotten it out earlier.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I mean yeah, he made the decision to throw when he was getting hit, but I still blame the O-line way more than him for that one.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wise move. Enjoy!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think TDSH said it best when he said we up to, and unfortunately down to our opponents.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I said that in this thread, he may have before though.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
cool.
thanks, Jake, Daboll, etc…
thanks buffalo.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 12, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
You have to thank Peyton “I can’t hold on to the ball” Hillis too.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly true. Team goat effort.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
his arm was hit.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Our offensive line has been manhandled by the fucking Buffalo Bills.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
we’ve been pushed around up front on both sides of the ball.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
“How do you explain this offensive performance?” - Jim Donovan, BRN
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions
False.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
ok, that’s the game. Speechless. 2009 bad.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions
No it isn’t, this is 99 bad.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not going to call for his job, personally.
But I’m definitely wondering whether Holmgren is willing to keep him.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
How is it Mangini’s fault that McC was hurt?
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
He wouldn’t be the first HC fired because of bad luck
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
You’re saying was completely suck because McCoy isn’t playing…
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
…Or fujita…or why its his fault his OC sucks…or his fault for the cribbs injury, etc…
I think it will be daboll gone. only scoring 6 against a team that averages giving up almost 28 is COMPLETELY inexcusable.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
this is a bit of an overreaction. i think after a game like this, he will have to choose between him and daboll. Even if we win another 1-2 games, I think daboll will likely be gone, which will save manginis job.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Play calling, bad QB play, bad running game, no pass D, no run D, and our best return was from Mike Bell.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Playcalling, lack of execution, turnovers.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis is averaging over 5 yards a carry, I think the first drive helped to show that if we had run the ball, we wouldn’t be having this discussion about what went wrong.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
He needed to hang onto it on the 2nd drive. That fumble changed the whole game.
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
we passed the ball 20 times and ran 25.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
That stat is skewed due to the first drive.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, it’s 20 pass to 16 run after the first drive. That is awful.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
you can’t just do that though. If you want to do that I can start taking out pass-heavy drives to even it out.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It would be about the context in which you are referring to them.
I thought the first drive’s run-to-pass playcalling ratio was fine, that’s why we made it to the goalline.
Thus, I liked the playcalling on that individual drive. (I’d have preferred to go for it on 4th though)
An every other individual drive, I think the ratio didn’t involve enough running.
What’s wrong with that? Essentially that is just a more in depth explanation of “Yup, it’s 20 pass to 16 run after the first drive. That is awful.”
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
but if you take out the couple last minute drives where we would have been insane to not pass, the ratio is still heavily skewed to running the ball. I feel ok taking those drives out because they aren’t indicative of the overall game plan.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I see what your saying, I still think we could have run the ball more despite the total run/pass ratio.
There were key third and shorts and other situations that just seemed crazy not to run… and we didn’t run. Bottom line, Daboll isn’t good.
I’m not sure if you’ll agree or not there, but if not, at this point we’ll have to agree to disagree.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
and there were times in the 2nd half when we passed on 1st down and either got a dumpoff screen or an incomplete, so we are passing twice in a row and passing on and 8-10…It seemed like whenever we passed from 2nd and 8, it would be an incompletion and whenever it was 2nd and 10, it was a short 2 yard dumpoff. and of all our 1st down pass plays (I remember probably about 5), I remember only one PA pass.
I agree, the playcalling was puzzling.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
taking out the first drive, it’s 20-18. I also see no reason to take out the first drive. by that logic, we could say “take out the last drive” and then it would be 17-18
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ok Bross…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t anything huge.
The Browns ran the ball right down Buffalo’s throat to begin the game. Buffalo stacked the box and brought their entire defense inside of 10 yards of the LOS. The Browns couldn’t make them pay deep. We lose.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let us not forget the protection against a terrible line.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
you’re an idiot.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
See Anderson, Derek; Brady, Quinn; Garcia, Jeff; Dilfer, Trent… in other words, Hyperbole.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
, I’ve got nothing.
I thought I had Monday to look forward to, but the whole thing kinda just went in the ****er I think. And I’ve already paid for pre-sale tickets.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Christmas is 13 days away. Keep your chin up buddy.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t have been happier before this game started, Hillis signing Monday after he shreds the Bills, I thought.
I probably should still be looking forward to it, but I don’t know, just feels extremely sh*tty now.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I have a lot to look forward to, so I’m doing okay. I think 6-10 is the best we can do at this point.
I’m sticking with my 10 win prediction.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
over two seasons of course.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
That is what I call positive thinking.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
At least I have finals to look forward too…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ouch. I actually have three finals (1 due by midnight) as well.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I just found out my online class has an online final instead of going to Tri-C to get a proxy. I still have 2 other live finals and a make up test. Plus, I have to look for a job b/c I will be unemployed in a month.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
We better pray for 70 and sunny the next few weeks.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Anything the coaching staff said about being prepared for the elements is bullshit. This team was completely unprepared.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s clear at this point that Hillis is a fair weather back.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
And that’s extremely sad.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
He coughed it up in good weather, too, didn’t he?
by JulioBernazard on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not like that he didn’t.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
How about a little coaching? Might help just a bit.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s been coached numerous times on how to hold the ball. I think at this point he’s either going to do it or he isn’t.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton’s fumbling problem is getting scary.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Good coaching can help remedy fumbling tendencies.
I think the fact that they haven’t taught Peyton to stop hurdling is telling.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
who says they haven’t?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
If they have, why does he continue practicing for the olympic hurdling team?
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Today was his first fumble on a hurdle. Why would they coach it out of him so long as it’s effective and he protects the football?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Because eventually he is going to cough the ball up, kill himself, or both.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
The same could be said of his tendency to fight for every last inch. Should they coach him to drop at first contact?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
(see below)
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
you’re actually safer in the air. you’re more likely to injure your legs with your feet firmly planted on the ground. that’s why some receivers jump when they catch passes over the middle.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think the bottom line is its just not necessary for him to do the hurdling act.
He can do plenty of damage without taking that risk.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
The worst performance out of this team this season – by far. Unprepared. No fire. No heart. Pathetic. Intolerable. Inexcusable. Disgusting. Anyone care to join in?
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I’m in sober depression, I don’t want to talk.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
YOU SHOULD BE SOBER MORE OFTEN!! LOL
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I did not get to watch it at all (maybe that made me luck) SO I am relying on reading the comments. Was it just a bad game or was it the team has no play makers outside of Hillis? A true analysis of Delhomme play today?
D. ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Did you ever see Brady Quinn play for the Browns?
That was Delhomme.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch. And yet….
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Way ahead of DA, that’s for sure.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
everybody was bad. no way to sugar coat it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
There was nothing good to say about the way the the Browns played today, and IMHO the coaching staff is ultimately responsible for what took place on the field today.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Even Hillis was ineffective. I think I summed it up quite well in my reply to you up above:
Play calling, bad QB play, bad running game, no pass D, no run D, and our best return was from Mike Bell.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
lions just beat the packers!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Cats and dogs living together!!!
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look, I don’t care about whether its 15% his fault or 80% his fault. But if Wallace is healthy next week, I start him instead.
Ditto, but I believe we’ve had this conversation here many times, so….
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, whatever. You people cannot be stopped.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Back at you ,SB!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
what have we seen from seneca wallace to make you think this game would have been any different? more check downs?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
No, running out of bound for -2.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe it was overthrowing receivers down the sideline, or maybe running OoB for a 3 yard loss…
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
merely saying “overthrowing” is putting it too kindly.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry,
overthrowing receivers by 15 yards down the sidelinefixed.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Are you still holding onto the myth that Delhomme is aggressively throwing for first downs? That’s what Fitzpatrick was doing.
Of course Wallace might also be bad. But Jake is 35. He’s done. He has no future with this team. At least Wallace might be our #2 again.
Why let an old veteran player, who doesn’t appear to be making anyone better, play out the string for a team not making the playoffs? I don’t even know why this is a question.
who doesn’t appear to be making anyone better
our WRs disagree (usually, not really today)
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, here’s my explanation for Wallace.
He’s done. He has no future with this team.
Why let an old veteran player, who doesn’t appear to be making anyone better, play out the string for a team not making the playoffs? I don’t even know why this is a question.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cut ‘em both. Where’s Ratliff?
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
In the trunk of my car. He’ll be ready when needed.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Zippy, the emergency backup QB!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, you got the joke…
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
You know you don’t always have to a dick
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t trying to be. Last person I’d want to be a dick to is Em.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
then dont act like a douche, there, is that better?!
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Were the hell did you come from? The hell?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I almost put a post about not being so patronizing, but I didn’t know if he was kidding or not, so I let it go.
I was trying to be facetious, sorry.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t think it came off as being a dick. if SB truly made a joke, which i did kinda see, it was a subtle one and he was just commenting (at least it seemed like to me) that he was just stating she was the first one to comment on the content of the joke.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Very witty. Wallace has better numbers this year and last, and is 5 years younger. Fewer attempts, but then, that’s exactly the point.
Jake’s done, we’re not going to the playoffs, give Seneca the reps if Colt can’t go and see if he improves and can become a serviceable backup. Same logic as always.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well… Wallace was a one year contract, Delhomme will be back next year. I don’t see how Wallace will be our #2 next year.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
…..Delhomme will be back next year.
Sigh.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Gah, quit it. I expect better from you RDC.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Happy to underrun your expectations, SB.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Is it possible to check down more than Delhomme today?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Quinn says yes.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, except if McCoy is healthy he will be the one starting next week.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, absolutely.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
actually, my facebook feed had a few people just saying “well, I’ll just watch the Akron soccer game”.
There was only one person dogging delhomme and someone just went happy gilmore on their status (by that, I mean the scene where he has like 20 seconds all just bleeped out)
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
We’re supposed to be a cold weather team.
Didn’t look like we even competed- have to point to finger at the O though. D spent all day on the field and still slowed them down.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
when you only give up 13 points, you should win.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
when you only give up 13 points against these bills, you should win.
Their D is awful, but their offense is actually solid. out of their first 12 games, they were held to less than 2 TDs only 3 times
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
…yeah sure.
Mangini: “we have to do a better job.”
Delhomme will take “responsibility” and "apologize. "
That’s about all your gonna get.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit, no he was not.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
You delusional.
The coaching staff is scared shitless to let our starting QB throw a deep pass. That isn’t a problem?
He isn’t the only one, but Delhomme handicaps this offense.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
But he wasn’t a “huge part of the problem.”
That’s just trying to throw blame on the QB. It’s childish and shows incompetence.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Your quarterback is not a part of the problem after this kind of offensive performance? You are delusional.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I like how you just copy B19K there. Good job.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I love how you believe you are the center of the world. I’m doing other shit beyond replying to your idiotic posts.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
This only makes you look even more childish. And saying Delhomme was a huge part of the problem makes it look like you have a problem paying attention to games for long spans of time.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think you fail to see the elephant in the room. If you don’t believe the play of the quarterback was significant in our defeat today, then you just don’t know much about football.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
then you just don’t know much about football.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, you ignore all that went wrong today that wasn’t QB involved and tell me
you just don’t know much about football.Dude I think you really do have a problem paying attention to games.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
no one said that.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
We scored 6 points.
A QB isn’t doing his job if we score 6 points.
How else can I explain it?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Do you need to? It’s like… evident.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. disregarding all the problems, we score more than 6 if the QB does his job well. Maybe we only lost 13-10, or it goes into OT and we lost, but its closer definitely.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think the design of the offense is just as much to blame.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think I agree with what you’re saying here, but I’m not sure what exactly you’re saying here.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I think that was because the staff is scared to let Delhomme throw deep.
Don’t blame them.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
this is the problem with looking at it from a fans point of view. It’s hard to tell who’s really at fault here.
Even if they are just scared of Jake, they have to know you can’t win with that kind of offense, so it’s still partly their fault.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You’re grasping at straws here.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
You are ignoring the role of the single most important position in football here. We don’t have a quarterback.
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
And you are searching for reasons to blame Delhomme. Saying he was a huge part of the problem is a vast overstatement completely ignoring our awful pass D, porous run D, awful ST play, and Hillis’ inability to hold on to the ball today. It looks to my you are the one ignoring things sir.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
How many of those 3rd and short plays did he manage to convert?
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hillis? one maybe.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
And how many times did Hillis get stuffed on the goal line or on 3rd and short?
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t think our Pass D was awful per se. they weren’t great, but they weren’t particularly awful. Fitzpatrick is also a good QB and we let him have all day at times. I mean, with all their O-Line problems, we had trouble getting into the backfield to stop the run and we had trouble getting to the QB. I think that is more telling of the front 7 than the secondary.
I don’t see the special teams play being Awful. Hodges was good enough for it to be at least upraded to decent. I know we let spiller get a big kick return, but he is a good returner and we weren’t terrible on punts (below average would be a good way to describe it). We also did well when he got the ball on kick returns.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Our coverage units were bad.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
And so were our returns.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. Ryan fitzpatrick was not spectacular. they were not amazing, but its also hard to cover when the rush doesn’t get there and gives fitzpatrick way too much time.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’m not talking about our secondary.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
okay. I see, coverage units. Returns were not too great but they haven’t been all that great all year. Outside of that one squib, I saw no significant problems. Coverage unit was I would say league average. If our coverage performed like that all year, we would be maybe a click or two below average (at worst). CJ spiller is a good returner and we have been spoiled b/c our coverage teams are great every week. I don’t see them as contributing anything significant to the loss.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
no, no, no. Nobody has said Jake doesn’t get a share of the blame for this awful game. we’re just saying there’s plenty of blame to go around, but people find it convenient to only blame the QB.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it wouldn’t have made a difference.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
In dispute. Reasonably, it’s certainly a team loss, but Jake didn’t help his case much today.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was the very essence of a team loss, don’t listen to all the Delhomme haters that love to lump undue blame. He didn’t play great today but it was by far not all on him.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is part of the problem.
When you have a QB that either can’t, or the coaching staff won’t allow to, throw deep, you have a massive issue.
Delhomme threw three passes over 10 yards that I can remember. One was a duck caught by MoMass, one was incomplete to Watson and one was picked.
Why would you respect that as a defense?
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, I just think there’s plenty of other blame to go around.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
See, and so do I. It’s just a question of proportion, I think.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
The one that was picked was the O-line’s fault, he got hit as he threw because of awful blocking.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I posted it elsewhere, St. Clair is horrible, this I admit, but when a rush is coming in your frontside, you as the QB need to get rid of the ball, or move around the pocket, before the rush gets there. That part is his fault.
He should know better as a veteran.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
There was nowhere to go, they hit him like the Tsunami hit Asia, quick, hard, and without much warning.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
and in that situation, even in a game like this, want him to take the sack. I didn’t have my cpu at the time so wasn’t involved in the game thread but I did yell out’ “NOO TAKE THE SACK” even before the INT is thrown. If you can’t get a good pass off, just fall on the ball; keep posession.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
and if the pocket is collapsing, just take a sack instead of trying to force it when getting hit. its the Rhonde Barber pick all over again, except this time, the pressure was coming from the frontside.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
This had more to do with coaching than Jake Delhomme.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Flag.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
If it was just a joke, you didn’t make that apparent. My bad.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
i’m very passionate, very upset, who was that on the field today? my apologies for cussing out our legends…
i’m very passionate, very upset
I am too. I just didn’t realize it was a joke.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
i included UPS you know “go brown”, bad joke, my bad. getting condolences from my kids, feeling much better now. again didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers
Fair enough.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
we cool? i haven’t posted for awhile, but do check in everyday. the fields are frozen now, the greenhouses are closed up, now have time to get on the computer.
GO BROWNS!!!
Perhaps you may like it better here.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t realize it was a joke when you said it.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
You are either a glutton for punishment or have a high pain threshold than. hahaha
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 12, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
McFadden has come around nicely.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
He has been awesome.
You would think Mike Bush would be elsewhere next year.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
MJD says, “hey not so fast.”
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I have been watching this game as well today.
Made the snoozer that the Browns are tolerable.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully the snowy NE @ CHI is good.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
That is what I have on, as well as the Saints and Chiefs game.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
The only positive is that I had Fred Jackson on my fantasy team…I know, I know, F$*K you go root for buffalo. I am just depressed and trying to find some positive for today. If this week keeps playing out like it is, I actually might make the playoffs in the UDBNL.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Playoffs were already determined.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so. There are 2 spots open and if Drexel Dawg loses, and I win, I am in. Drexel Dawg, Me, and Brown note are tied at 8-5. If I beat Brown note, and drexel dawg loses, I will be ahead of both and be 4th. Right now I love CJ2K
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Argh. If I wasn’t a drinking man, I’d sure start!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 12, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
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