Colt McCoy to Start the Rest of the Season
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 16, 2010 10:56 AM EST
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While this might not be a surprise, it is good to hear the official confirmation from Cleveland Browns head coach Eric Mangini. The following comes from the Official Team's twitter page, relaying information from Mangini's Thursday morning press conference:
Mangini on Colt McCoy: The plan is for him to start this Sunday and the rest of the season. He's been able to improve each week. Source
According to the ABJ, Mangini also said that "Jake Delhomme couldn't have been more professional and more supportive of decision to go with Colt McCoy." McCoy's left ankle is back at full strength, per Mangini, and the team was careful not to rush him back.
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Do you think maybe Mangini hopes that McCoy can save his job? Hmmmmmmmmm?
I don’t buy the rumors (really rumor) circulating around that the staff has already been told they are out. I don’t think Holmgren would work that way. But I now have the opinion that Mangini is on his way out at the end of the season. I think the defense and special teams staff will stay untouched as long as they want to stay but the offensive side will be gutted and replaced.
Just my opinion… not a new rumor.
Brownsyup
I think the ultimatum comes down – Mangini can stay if Daboll is out. Holmgren will look at the QB carousel and injuries and note how well they did despite these facts. The decision to have Delhomme/Wallace was not Mangini’s, but Holmgren and Heckert. For this reason Big Mike will say my bad and give Mangini another chance, but Daboll has to go.
by SBP on Dec 16, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although I could believe some of the coaching staff may go, regardless of how we finish out the season, IMO Mangini should be given another year minimum. Rebuilding a team doesn’t happen overnight and certainly not over the span of two years. It can’t always be the HCs fault. Injuries and other unexpected things happen along the way. Let’s get everyone healthy on both sides of the line, get the support personnel Colt needs to be the playmaker he is capable of being, and just play smart, tough football.
GO BROWNS!!!!!!!
I really don’t like the coaching carousel either BUT I think there might be a pretty big disconnect here between the way Mangini thinks you need to win and how Holmgren thinks you need to win. I think Mangini is more about keeping it close and winning on the last drive of the game. Play conservative and let the other team make mistakes. Keep their offense off the field. Value the punt. That kind of thing. I think Holmgren likes some of that but favors a more pro-active offense taking a bit more risk and challenging the opposing defense at all levels. And I don’t think Holmgren is into waiting to see if Mangini is going to pan out. There is the coach vs coach argument that says he’ll keep Mangini because he knows how hard it is to turn things around but does Holmgren think that Mangini is turning things around? And does he think that the final result that Mangini is trying to achieve is something that will result in a Superbowl Championship? I think if Holmgren thinks he can improve the team’s chances with a coaching change he will definitely make a change.
Here is a little poll for you guys… pick one:
1. Has Mangini already lost his job?
2. If the Browns lose out, is Mangini gone for sure?
3. If the Browns beat the Bengals but lose the last two games is Mangini gone for sure?
4. Will Mangini stay no matter what happens the rest of the year?
I’m banking on 1. I think the loss to Buffalo was the final nail in the coffin. I feel coaching was a major factor in that loss which never should have happened.
Brownsyup
by Brownsyup on Dec 16, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice thoughts…. You’re right. If the right coach is out there that Holmgren feels comfortable with (Gruden, etc. ) and he/they want to come to Cleveland it may be done. It may come down to the quality of the upgrade. I got the sense when Crennel was fired that there was not a plan in place for replacement. With Holmgren, if Mangini is fired then the replacement is already set.
1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
Totally agree with the Crennel firing… there was definitely no plan in place and it seemed they had no obvious upgrade plan in place. I’m thinking that would be different with Holmgren in place. I don’t think he even dreams of firing Mangini if he doesn’t have someone in mind that would be an definite upgrade in his eyes.
Brownsyup
i’m not sure what we mean by a “plan” in place post-crennel. lerner talked to cowher, that was Plan A, then when cowher said no he went to pioli, that was Plan B, and then when pioli looked like he wasn’t going to work out mangini’s turn came. seems to me randy had a wish list and the top 2 simply didn’t work out.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 17, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fair? Why does it have to be fair? Beating divsional rivals is essential. We cannot continue to think we can be a playoff contender hoping 3 teams can come out of the AFC North. To back down from my position maybe strong wins or close losses will be OK, but if we go into PIT and BAL and flop then I would have to start wondering whether Mangini can game plan these teams.
True, no one ensures the evaluation is “fair.” Although, while I think there may be a lot riding on these final games, I think Mangini will be judged in the aggregate. Still, there’s a world of difference between finishing 5-11 and, say, 7-9.
by Western Reserve on Dec 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mangini has already beaten the steelers, something we hadn’t done in the previous 5 bajillion meetings.
The evaluation should be fair. Why fire a perfectly good coach and replace him for no good reason?
We will have to beat pit and bal in order to become a playoff contender, this is true. Presently, we are not a legitimate playoff contender, but I think most people believed that coming in to the season.
While Mangini has not yet turned us in to a playoff team, he has improved the team and has us playing above our talent level. I might dare to say he has put a good defense on the field with 2-3 star level players, 2 of which are rookies.
Mangini has shown he can coach a team up and will be able to beat the big boys in the division as our talent level approaches theirs.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Is there actually any real speculation that he’s on the hot seat? But I’d probably choose #2. Losing all 4 of these final games would probably be a problem.
by dgcambridge on Dec 16, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
There are some rumors about Mangini but i think those are completely bogus. Speculation? There is a ton of that. The Buffalo game definitely opened up that whole can of worms again.
Brownsyup
The Buffalo game definitely opened up that whole can of worms again.
it seems like the Buffalo game opened up a 50 gallon drum of worms. I was as negative after the loss as anyone and it took longer for me than it usually does to get over a loss; but come on, folks. does one stinker of a loss negate all of the positives and progress Mangini has created? we’re still a much better football team than we have been in a long time. not to mention, Buffalo may not be as bad as they have seemed most of the season. they’re really only one stupid, ridiculous dropped ball away from having beaten the steelers. we played poorly against Carolina as well, but in between we beat a pretty decent Miami team in their house.
my point is that the sky isn’t falling and the team doesn’t suck. we’re exactly what we’ve been all season: a decent team that still needs a few pieces and needs to learn how to finish games. I’m excited for the future and still feel like we could finish 7-9.
We hurt ourselves a lot during the Buffalo game, but they are much better than their record indicates. They’ve been playing people very tough recently.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
very true. Football outsiders has their overall team efficiency at 25th. Efficiency I find to be a good stat to judge the overall play of teams (measures overall performance, regardless of W/L, and adjusted to SoS). Considering how competitive they have been with a very tough SoS, football outsiders ranks them as a better team than the 5-8 Redskins and the 6-7 Rams and Seahawks.
They are definitely a team people need to watch out for next season. If they can keep being competitive and have a draft with a lot of impact players right away, I can see them challenging to be .500 with an easier SoS.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
While I agree that there is some chance of Mangini being fired, I disagree with your basic premise:
Did you ever consider that Mangini favors “keeping it close …. playing conservative, etc.” because of issues related to the talent we have on offense, especially at QB and WR, and lousy OC. I agree that he favors a run first offense, big/flexible defensive players, and solid contributions from special teams. Who wouldn’t?
I hope Daboli gets replaced, but not the rest of Mangini’s staff.
by BrownsFanInAR on Dec 16, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I also don’t think he wants to keep it close, I think he wants to play like we did against New Orleans and New England.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Dec 16, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nice idea. Make mine:
1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
That is, I think it’s a difficult decision not yet made, and which way it goes won’t come down to simple wins and losses.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. So what do you think the primary reason for the decision will be if not team performance? I think you are on to something here… just interested in your thoughts.
Brownsyup
I don’t think RDC ever said the decision wouldn’t be based on performance, he said it wouldn’t be based on wins and losses. they are two entirely different things.
Quite. I think the exact number of wins in the waning phase of a non-playoff season isn’t going to be the deciding factor. I think that the way those games play out will have more to do with it than the final results. If we see three more Buffalo games, then it’s going to go very hard on Mangini.
Also though, I have to think that whether Mangini and Holmgren can agree on a common vision going forward will be significant – both on the diagnostic what’s-really-wrong-with-the-team level and on the corrective how-do-we-move-to-improve-it level. Can they both agree, say, that there are significant offensive issues beyond injuries and QB play? Can they agree that addressing those should involve, say, losing Daboll, changing offensive schemes, make significant free agency moves, or take other actions? Being on the same page with these issues could make the difference.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it will be those specific issues that do it, but larger, more philosophic issues. I would like to see them meet in the middle, personally. Gotta have character guys and a good locker room, gotta have a few stars.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
1. No. I believe Holmgren is absolutely a man of his word and will not make that decision until the final game is in the books.
2. Yes. No doubt.
3. Probably. And deservedly so if that turns out to be the case.
4. No.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Play conservative and let the other team make mistakes. Keep their offense off the field. Value the punt.
Most Browns fans who are Buckeye fans should appreciate Tressel-ball. The question is, does Holmgren?
1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
Even if they lose out, the way they have competed for the majority of the season is a huge step in the right direction. And I think Holmgren will take this into account. Even the loss last week in Buffalo was competitive. Depressing, but still within one socre.
I think it will go more towards a discussion on tweaking Mangini’s philosophy. Asking him to keep his Tressel-ball philosophy, but incorporating a slightly more dynamic attack on offense next season. But this cannot be accomplished until more playmakers (especially at WR) are brought in. The offense in its current state is because of the personnel we currently have. It could look very different next season and allow Mangini/OC to open it up more.
You’re not going to win very much in the NFL playing Tressel-ball.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Dec 16, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a myth propagated by sportscasters—ten years ago this was true, but not anymore. According to FootballOutsiders, Pittsburgh has the 3rd best passing game in the NFL, and Baltimore has the 8th best. Both teams have big-armed quarterbacks who like to stretch the field, and this is reflected in the fact that both teams are in the top ten in YPA,
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Dec 17, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Right. As much as some people want to say that Ben is nothing more than a “game manager” that’s actually far from the truth — he’s a really good QB who is a significant reason for their success. He’s always near the top of the league in YPA.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 17, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ben….is….good.
So hard to type. Feeling a little nauseous for having to say it but it is true.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously dude. No need to say that out loud. Took me years to admit that Elway was one of the best QBs I ever saw play. I ain’t admiting nothing about the person you are talking about for a while.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 17, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. The ravens in 2000 I will give you won it without an amazing QB, but he didn’t make mistakes and thats what they needed him to do. This example is also an exception to the general rule (that you have to have a good passing game) because the team had a historically great D, a pro bowl returner (who had a return TD in the SB) and elite special teams, a HOF TE, and an elite running game. So many things have to line up to overcome QB deficiencies, you cannot truly rely on this.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Actually, you probably could because Jim Tressel will go to a ball control passing game when he needs to, which many NFL teams do.
Having a great defense and special teams never hurt anyone.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I REALLY agree with your almost last point:
I think if Holmgren thinks he can improve the team’s chances with a coaching change he will definitely make a change.
… And I agree totally. He should make a change if he feels like it will improve the team’s chances of winning. And to be honest (and this isn’t me being a hater or anything- I’ve been on the Mangini bandwagon ever since he was hired) I think that it is quite possible there could be someone else out there that could do the job better. A couple of points…:
- There are some coaches that you fire because they did a piss poor job of coaching. I don’t think that would be the case if Mangini gets canned- It’s all about the fact that Holmgren was brought in to make the team into a playoff contender, and if there’s an upgrade over Mangini, he isn’t doing his job if he DOESN’T make the change.
- As far as being a motivator, Mangini is very good. As far as the gameplan side of things, I think he’s lacking a little bit. I don’t think he’s the ENTIRE package yet, but give it time and I think he will be.
- For those reasons, I wouldn’t be surprised or unhappy if he gets fired. I think he will get a head coaching gig somewhere else and will do really well with it. IF he does go, I wish him the best and will maybe cheer for whatever team he goes to. I really like the guy.
Mangini is a very good gameplanner in my eyes. The problem is the lack of adjustments during the game, especially on offense.
When he and his current staff have time to sit down and sort things out, they do well. We’ve even made Brady Quinn look great on some opening drives because of the plays we’ve scripted.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
i’ve generally been of the opinion that mangini should be back no matter what … but you raise a point that’s hard to argue. if holmgren sees an opportunity to upgrade at the head coaching position, he must take it … just like if he sees an opportunity to upgrade at OLB or WR.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed with bringing back Mangini and the defensive staff. With just a bit more offensive punch we might still be in the playoff hunt.
Defense has been solid overall this year, the team as a whole has played hard and the lame brained penalties that plagued us during Romeo “I’m thinkin Arby’s” Crennell have largely been eliminated.
Fire Daboll, improve RT and WR, insert Colt as the #1 from the start of mini camp and hopefully we will be a winning team next year.
Message to Brian Daboll: RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!
One thing that really is interesting statistically about the Browns defense… we are tied for allowing the least running touchdowns with 4. We are allowing average yards running but are really tough in the red zone. You look at game scores and if our offense scores over 20 points a game this year which is very average, we would have won possibly 5 more games this year. I was telling a fellow fan earlier, if you could merge our defense with the Texan’s offense we’d have a superbowl contender. Maybe we should talk to them about a merger next year…
Brownsyup
Or maybe they’ll just hire Rob Ryan as their new head coach.
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 16, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Changing HC with Holmgren still firmly entrenched at the helm providing purpose and direction is not the same as changing HC and front office personne. This would be very different from the HC changes in years past. If Holmgren decides to make that move I have no doubt this team will transition to a new staff seamlessly and the progress will absolutely continue.
Im not necessarily adverse to Mangini staying as long as Daboll goes…however, …we need to ask the question…can we do better than Mangini? I say we can, and I do believe a guy like Gruden would be better. .
Keeping him to maintain the the ‘staus quo’ and out of fear of ‘another change’ is not a consideration anymore.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 16, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
… Any idea what the status is on one Bill Cowher? I’d love to have him spitting all over our sidelines and winning Super Bowls. Plus, the idea of the irony that would happen when he helps us crush the Steelers would just be ALL too sweet.
When were the rumors about him taking over? Was that before Holmgren took over or after? You’d have to believe with Holmgren and Heckert and the crazy stability we’ve got in the front office that this job looks a LOT better than when Savage and Kokinis were in control. Anyone think we can lure Cowher away from CBS (if he’s even still there anymore)?
why is that? He has worked for the Browns before. I doubt he would come here either, just curious why you think there’s no chance at all.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Dec 17, 2010 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think he wants to go to a team where he’d have more control than he would here.
by Buckeye Brad on Dec 17, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
The rumors I heard, when he was rumored to be coming here, were that he was more interested in Carolina, which is closer to his home.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is the rumor here in Charlotte as well. I have heard in the past (not sure where) but he would not coach Cleveland out of respect for what he did in Pittsburgh. Which I think is a very stand up thing to do.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
$$$>Respect, he would come for the right price and control
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
This is true too. I doubt any coach would tip his hand until the deal is inked.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
this is right. he’d work w/ heckert, for example (see: kevin colbert in pitt), as a personnel guy, but he’d never work for holmgren. no building would be big enough for those two egos.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 17, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Great News – I hope Colt fares well in the cold weather and against nothing less than our entire division. What a great test! To steal from “The Matrix”; we will surely know if he is “The One” by seasons end.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
I am very curious to see how he does in the cold. I also hope his ankle is in good shape.
Even though it doesn’t look like the weather will be terribly frigid in Cinci, the next 3 games will be interesting to see how he does in the cold weather (or winter weather if it snows, etc.).
we will surely know if he is "The One" by seasons endI hope you are right, but I think folks need to be patient.
Keep in mind he is a rookie with about five weeks of experience in his entire NFL life practicing with a 1st string NFL team thrown into a trial by fire mid-season.
As long as he “holds his own” the next few weeks (manages the games well etc.), doesn’t put up really bad performances down the stretch hopefully they will stick with him starting next season and give him a chance to continue developing. It may take time to know "for sure he is ‘The One’ ".
(I’m sure I don’t need to go down the list of great QBs and their 1st season stats, etc…)
_
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
you might be the last person I expected to post this, but I agree wholeheartedly.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic. Now seriously, enough already. Can we just once this year go up against an inferior team and win handly? Of course it would be fun to upset the Steeler and Ravens, but c’mon, we should be able to be to win a thorough game against a team like Cincy.
I want the Browns to win, and for the 4th quarter to be garbage time. I don’t want to squeak by on Bengals mistakes, or win on final field, or (gulp) lose. Comments that I do not want to read in the instant reaction thread:
“A win is a win, no matter how ugly”
“Just goes to show that on any given Sunday”
“Everyone knew that the Bengals would blow it in the end”
“The Bengals were 2-11 coming in, but they’re actually much better than their record”
“Fire Daboll, now!”
“We always seem to play to the level of our opponents”
“Good teams win the close ones”
“Hey, they played the Saints tough too”
“No no, it was actually 60% Eric Wright’s fault, 15% Daboll’s fault, 12% McCoy’s fault, 10% the offensive line’s fault, and 3% the fans’ fault.”
“For the love of all that is holy, who is in charge of wrapping our QBs’ ankles?”
“Even Joe Thomas has a few bad games each year”
“This is why Phil Dawson is our MVP”
“A win over the Steelers or Ravens will balance out this game”
“Wow, relax, the sky is not falling, it was just one game”
by dgcambridge on Dec 16, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Cannot figure out where you are coming from dg – there are no teams significantly inferior to the Browns. The Bengals have much more physical talent than we do. A first overall pick at QB, prolly 3 WRs better than our best, a TE that can both block and catch, some beastie kind of LBs. I will be more than happy with an ugly win, and feel the only reason we have a better record than the Bungles is that Eric and staff have done a better job of keeping the troups together.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
Is this true? I’m not talking about loose talent – I mean the team as a whole, including the coaching staff. Is it not signficantly better than any team?
Just breaking the league into three tiers: bottom feeders, the great middle, and contenders: have we not moved up to the middle over the course of the last 18 months?
by dgcambridge on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just breaking the league into three tiers: bottom feeders, the great middle, and contenders: have we not moved up to the middle over the course of the last 18 months?
Perhaps for a bit there…however I believe at this point we sit firmly in the upper echelon of bottom feeders
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say we are one molecule into the great middle… but I may be sticking my neck out way too far on this.
Brownsyup
I suppose…I guess it depends on how many teams you decide to put in each tier.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think we are outplaying our talent level and we have a good foundation to build on, we just need a few great players.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Agree. I also think we need a good, experienced, and proven offensive minded guy for our OC position. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that Mangini and Ryan could come up with all kinds of great defensive schemes with average players, but they are lacking that knowledge on the offensive side. Daboll is learning, but I just don’t think he’s going to make the cut. I’m not sure who is available, but it would be nice to replace him with a person of strong offensive knowledge to balance out our coaching.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I would like to replace Daboll as well, but it’s hard to think of someone who meets all of those qualifications who also would fit what Mangini and Ryan do.
I would be fine with a younger guy. The big things for me are:
-He would have to outperform Daboll, especially in the passing game and in the overall cohesion of the offense. Plays should set up other plays, adjustments should be ready to go. If you run X play, you know the defense will likely respond by going to A, B, or C. You have D, E, and F ready to go based on how they adjust, and you repeat this cycle ad nauseum. You either set up tendencies and break them, or you must totally lack tendencies. We don’t really do either.
-He would have to work with Mangini, Ryan and their vision of a team. An offense affects a defense, a defense affects an offense. Mangini talks about this all the time in press conferences, it’s very important to him that the team function in a synergistic fashion.
Anyone who can do those two things would be an upgrade and would lead to stability in my eyes.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Plays should set up other plays, adjustments should be ready to go. If you run X play, you know the defense will likely respond by going to A, B, or C. You have D, E, and F ready to go based on how they adjust, and you repeat this cycle ad nauseum.
You can do that? It’s not against the rules?
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
I agree. I would also like someone who has been an OC or called the plays before. That is why my vote would go for Gil Haskell. If he can work with the Mangini aspect, I think it would be great. He has experience as an OC and calling plays. Plus, he learned under a great Offensive playcaller…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
and he already knows the players, the culture, the philosophy … and where the bathrooms are.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha. I agree with this. as long as he can work with mangini and what mangini will want to do on Offense, I am all for it. I think this one is actually really likely.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
lets not start talking about “oh, the bengals have talent”. They have been flat out awful this year. every team in the nfl has some measure of talent. this isn’t fantasy FB, this is a real game and in real games, the bengals are imploding. You are looking at this almost as if they were a fantasy team. you can point at loose talent on any team but that team as a whole is just not to good.
Funny enough, you aren’t the only one to overrate the Bungles because of loose talent. vegas, usually being smart, for a while was giving them very generous odds (so people betting against them have had a lot of success). And since there is a good amount of Vegas/Fantasy crossover, there may have been some influence b/c of loose talent.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
They have more “talent” at the glamour positions, we are much better everywhere else. McCoy might be better than Palmer right now.
I don’t know, I like our team in the trenches overall, but Cincy has a few brutes in that area as well.
by Western Reserve on Dec 17, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Like who?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Not really sure who they are, just my observation of their defensive front from the first time around. They seemed like a typical, hard-nosed, AFC North team to me. I know Hillis still went for over a hundred yards, but I still thought it was hard fought, we just were better and got a pretty good offensive line ourselves.
Remember, also, in those days, Cincy actually had expectations for themselves. They weren’t yet the disaster they have become.
by Western Reserve on Dec 18, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
It was hard fought because they loaded up 8 men in the box and had their LBs focus on hillis. their young LBs are actually decent, but their D-Line has definitely underperformed
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Domata Peko? I have always thought he is a decent player. The problem is that D-Line has been flat out awful. they rank 32nd in power rank and 24th in stuffed rank on football outsiders. basically, they have gotten manhandled at the LOS and not gotten any push.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
This is where I’m at. I’m not a Mangini-hater, but can’t agree that he’s willing a bunch of no-talent players to this level of competiveness.
by dgcambridge on Dec 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
"Fire Daboll, now!"
Now, you know someone will say this unless we win 55-0.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll just go ahead and say it now, despite the slight possibility that we win 55-0. Fire Daboll.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Dec 16, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
55-0!? if we don’t put up 100 the entire offense should be cut.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Holgren knows how to caoch. Fire Mangina and let Holgren start caoching!!
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
by Kimble_79 on Dec 17, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Daballs and Mangina belong over at cleveland.com, not here.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Your /sarc meter is off…get that thing calibrated
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
It doesn’t work so well at 6 in the morning. If sarc was a woman I’d be shooting pool with a rope.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for ‘caoch’. Nice touch!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
"A win is a win, no matter how ugly"
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 16, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
dgcam is PRECISELY thinking what i’m thinking.
no more excuses or rationalizing.
Good teams don’t do that.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 16, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Good teams don’t do that.
But we aren’t commenting on those teams.
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
what?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
When did this place turn into cleveland.com?
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yeah – they are just ridiculously, stupidly optimistic over there.
You’d think us DBN cynics would know better.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the matter, golan? Think we’re all just stupidly optimistic and/or high as a kite on the vapors of Jake’s demotion?
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the fact that somebody writes their opus on whether or not mangini deserves to be fired in every single thread. Couple that with the “so-and-so sucks RAGE” and the “fire daboll!” and the ridiculous swing in attitude after every game, and I definitely see where he’s coming from. I mean, we’re posting rumors that Mangini has already been told he’s fired? In a thread about Colt McCoy? seriously?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think it completely natural that attitudes swing every other game when following a team this schizophrenic. I mean beat the Pats and Saints and then lose to Buffalo? What could be more inconsistent than that? People gotta ask themselves: “would the real Cleveland Browns please stand up?”
Brownsyup
No, I love well placed optimism. When I posted there were something like 10 comments, and 9 were of the FIRE MANGINA variety.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
I mis-interpreted then, sorry. I do agree the ‘fire Mangini’ hysteria, etc. gets a little old.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, understood. I don’t know, I’ve been assuming that while annoying, the increased craziness is an understandably direct result of last week’s frustrating stenchfest. Time for Colt to help us put that game in the rearview mirror!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the pent up frustration combined with the growing popularity of the site. More and more people are signing up and commenting, at least it appears that way. They are doing so without understanding how we try to keep things here.
If you think it’s bad now, just wait until we become a playoff contender.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
yeah, I think the crap-fest last sunday combined with what appears to be many more commenters isn’t working out well.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
“signing up and commenting … without understanding how we try to keep things here”
The arrogance of this comment is laughable.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about arrogance. I wasn’t trying to come across that way at all. I’m just talking about keeping the discussion thoughtful, intelligent, and civil. You seem like a regular visitor and commenter here now, you should know what I’m talking about.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Yes, I know where you’re coming from.
I just thought your choice of words came across as sounding a bit arrogant (probably should have worded my response as such – sorry, didn’t really mean to attack you).
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
its actually very accurate and not arrogant at all. we try to keep this site running smoothly and intelligently. people that have been around a long time also get blasted when they make ridiculous or inflammatory remarks. its what makes this site great.
If people do break the parameters of the site, they are beaten severely with a wet noodle and then dunked. If they take a gulp of pool water, bonus for us.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 16, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Peer pressure for the win!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
When I first signed up I did receive the wet noodle initiation and got dunked once or twice.
Luckily for me I’m a good swimmer.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Just because we’ve been doing it this way forever it doesn’t make it right! I kid. However fresh ideas are always good because there are some stale opinions here and homers among us as well.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
fresh ideas – yes
raving lunatics – no (no offense Moon)
by Dawg Nuts on Dec 17, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Right after we made the playoffs after beating the Saints and NE and then earned the first pick after losing to the Jets and Jags. Or maybe SBNation has been running extra ads out on the Interwebs?
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
by Villeslgr on Dec 17, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m all for another year of Mangini. Let Daboll go mainly because I think we can do better and I’m not for settling on just OK. Glad Colt will play Sunday so we don’t have to argue over who sucks least – Delhomme or Wallace any longer.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 16, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions
I’m all for another year of Mangini.
I don’t know…I just…don’t know…yet.
He really has to make some things happen these last 3 games for me.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand that totally. I just fear who we may replace him with will cause another “rebuilding season” that last 5 more years! lol
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 16, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Naw. Not with Holmgren at the helm. There would be no ‘starting over’ all over again. Remember most of the time in years past we were replacing front office guys as well…
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 17, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I want ten more years of Mangenius. Mangini… not so much.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Magic 8-ball told you so. ;)
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 16, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
What a blessing for the Browns and their fans. First of all, Mangini´s announcement should be a welcome relief. I am a Mangini fan and I sincerely doubted that Mangini would make this statement this year or even next. Simply committing to a starter makes him appear less of a F*Tard, and more of a normal coach that believes that it is better to have a starting QB. Secondly, the information we will get on Colt will be key for next year´s draft. If he is lucky enough to finish the season here will be his 8 starts. At Pittsburgh, At New Orleans, New England, J-E-T-S, Jacksonville, Cincy, Pitt, and Baltimore. Prolly 7 of the best 10 teams in the NFL, terrible weather – if we can´t evaluate him after this – there is no hope anyway. My feel is that we are out of the Luck sweepstakes, and that Mallet is just too much of a statue to gamble on.
Note to Bill Byrne "Because you aren´t Texas and you´ll never be Texas"
I am less concerned with Mallet’s mobility and more concerned with his intangibles. I think we aren’t in position to draft Luck.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
where does gabbert project? i think he looks like a stud pro.
my belief: we should select mitch mustain (usc) in the 7th round … sort of a matt cassel strategy (except mustain has way more game than cassel ever had in high school or college). colt’s the #1, but develop a guy w/ good skills and maybe he can step in for an injured colt at some point and/or turn into trade bait.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Gabbert looks like a potential pro prospect to me. Some have him high this year (I think McShay said he has him 2nd if he were to declare now) and others would like to see him go back to school and continue to develop.
If it doesn’t cost a pick in the first 3 rounds, I am all for picking a QB. Anyone with upside who seems like he wouldn’t be a complete waste of roster space.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
its about time he told us what we already knew. thinking he is just as fed up with delhomme’s shitty play as the rest of us are. and as far as the speculation goes for daboll being canned at years end, i see it coming too. hell maybe we will get garrett from the cowboys?! j/k
Lifes A Dance, You Learn As You Go!
by findlaybrownslover on Dec 16, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions
We have speculated about Garrett in our office. That crazy owner of theirs might just go for a big name instead… Fischer, Chuckie, Cowher, etc. and I wouldn’t mind Garrett at all. I’d like to see a talented, young, hungry head coach (please not McDaniels though).
Brownsyup
I’d like to see a talented, young, hungry head coach
We’ve never tried that before.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We had a hungry head coach in Crennel. 1 out of 3 just doesn’t cut it I guess….
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
if garrett doesn’t stick w/ the cowboys he’ll be a head coach somewhere, not browns OC.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I must have read this ten times on three different days, and I still don’t get it.
What does that MEAN - TO PLAY US OUT?!!?!?
by DaveDawg09 on Dec 18, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is there ever a time where the answer to “should we institute a losing season from the get go” is “yes”?
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Who will be our head coach next year? Mangini? Holmgren? Gruden? Rob Ryan?
If Rob Ryan takes a head coaching job would Jerome Henderson become our defensive coordinator?
Could Brad Childress be brought in as offensive coordinator?
was this a joke?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just my opinion, but I don’t think Rob Ryan is going anywhere as a head coach just yet. There are a lot more desirable choices ahead of him at this time and only a handful of openings. I would be more worried about him following Mangini if he goes away.
Honestly, even though my opinion has been down hill about Mangini and Co. lately, I don’t think this team needs a coaching shake up. They need coaching consistency. Half the problem over the last 10 years is coaches, staff etc are all 3 and out. The team follows suit on the field.
There is a special place in hell for Steelers fans.
my biggest concern with rob ryan is jets defensive coordinator.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent! The holiday celebrations are now officially in full swing!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions
This is probably the best news that I’ve heard all week, that plus finishing all my finals makes today already a good one.
Now lets just go beat the Bungles. Don’t underestimate anyone.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
hey guys, been reading this site for quite awhile but have never posted before. just wondering why everyone is so happy to hear colt is coming back. it’s pretty obvious that he can play in the nfl and that he will probably be given a chance to be the starter next year so why risk an injury at the end of the year when we all know the season is over. from what i have seen of him i think with proper coaching he can be a franchise quarterback but i see no sense in throwing him in there now when all these games decide for us is draft position. i would hate to see him have a career threatening injury in a game that doesn’t really matter. i kn ow that it’s all division games against rivals but why not put in wallace for the rest of the year and regroup in the offseason.
by brownsfan122907 on Dec 16, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Madden.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 16, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Besides wanting to evaluate McCoy more, the ultimate goal is to win. And, unless you have a first round bye clinched or something, you don’t worry about playing starters due to health…people get hurt, but you can’t play scared.
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 16, 2010 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can’t be afraid of injury, and if you have the chance to develop a QB, that’s more valuable than any draft pick out there. You have to look at these things as opportunities, not play afraid of failue. Fear of failure is a losing attitude from the front office on down.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Based on the logic of protecting franchise players, we should bench Joe Thomas for the remainder of the season.
Ye damned whale!
We should never play JT, just have him work concessions serving pancakes to unsuspecting fans of enemy teams.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
Screw the fans, go for the coaching staff.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
He should start for the reasons stated above. Plus this works as a confidence builder for Colt. He’ll be playing the 3 teams he could be facing the most in his career.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yah for Colt. If anything, we’ll know for sure if he opens 2011 as the starter after playing every team in our division to end the year.
Weighing in on this coaching stuff.
What I hope Holmgren does is evaluate the way the team has played since Mangini took over. Crennel’s teams were a joke in every sense of the word. Undisciplined on both sides of the ball, tons of penalties, sloppy execution.
What I’ve seen, if nothing else, in Mangini’s tenure is a back-to-basics approach. We’re not going to run any trick plays until we stop having 4 false starts in every offensive drive. To hell with trying corner blitzes. Our corners can’t cover that well. Things of that nature.
I think, just like any second year player, when you’ve got a coach in his second year you want to see an overall improvement in the way the team plays. To me, the 4 game winning streak at the end of last season was a mirage. We ran the ball well against 3 of the worse run Ds in the league and our offense looked HORRIBLE in the win against the Steelers (coincidentally, the best defensive game we’ve played in YEARS). Right now, I’m looking at a team that doesn’t have a ton of dumb penalties and seems to be losing more on conservative game planning and a severe lack of talent, but we’re most definitely playing better.
I think there’s a ceiling for Mangini that’s much lower than most other HC candidates (i.e. he ain’t taking us to the Super Bowl), but to see improvement and a product being put on the field that isn’t embarassing (last two weeks notwithstanding) is a sign of progress. You look at the beginning of the year and everyone was saying they’d be happy with an 8-8 year. Don’t let a stinker against the Bills sway that. We’re still looking at 8-8 (we win the next two weeks and the Steelers lock up the 2 seed; we’ll beat their backups in wk17) and a much improved team than 2010’s version.
If we finish out 7-9 or 8-8, that’s progress.
Hopefully Holmgren’s not blinded by what he was able to do his first year with the Seahawks after they missed the playoffs the previous 10 seasons.
We’re not going to run any trick plays until we stop having 4 false starts in every offensive drive.
so, you’re saying you didn’t watch the new orleans or new england games?
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 18, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
So I read the title and yelled out f^%& yeah.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 16, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It might be my 18 year old optimism, but I really think we are heading in the right direction. Now, I know I’m the youngest person on this blog, and I haven’t really paid attention to the early expansion era browns before 2006, but I think we could become a contender W/ a little added depth at WR, and CB. I think we could become just like the glory days when all we did was win.
"We don't take no prisoners! I say we kill'em, every other team! That way we don't got to feed them or nothing!
-Coach Kevin Hockett
by brownsboy14 on Dec 16, 2010 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No worries man, I dunno if you’re the youngest but if so then not by much. I’ve only been 20 for a couple of weeks and I didn’t start consistently following until Charlie Frye was drafted (maybe the year before- don’t remember for sure). There are other youngsters on here too, so you’re not alone.
And I’m pretty optimistic, so you aren’t alone there either :)
how does being 20 feel?
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
like you’re still a year too young.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m 21, and probably unreasonably optimistic as well. Judging from how some others come off on here, I should enjoy this attitude while it lasts!
by Legoman0721 on Dec 16, 2010 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m 36 and feel certain we’ll win a Super Bowl before I’m 40. How’s that for optimism from an old dude?
Wait, you’re seriously only 36?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 16, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m only 19 and ready to graduate with my two-year degree in spring.
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 17, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
like you’re still a year too young.
Only some people feel like that. Not ones who want to keep their liver functioning properly. No offense, everyone else.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 16, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
without getting into a huge discussion, alcohol, like most things, is perfectly fine in moderation, and won’t kill your liver.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Quite. I do understand this and that the Liver does regenerate and control poisons through your body.
Just, I see absolutely no benefit to alcohol. All I see are extreme potential negatives. Best course of action is to just stay away from the crap entirely. It’ll save my money and possibly lives. You never know.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 16, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
well…its better than cocaine…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Or less overtly damaging, at least.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is true.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue….
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
that is a completely respectable position.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Fully agree, as long as it doesn’t lead you to slag off unnecessarily on the drinking class. To each his or her own.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t mind teetotalers, so long as they keep their opinions to themselves.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to get all Dr. Phil on you, but it seems someone near, or close, to you has drank much more than they should. Something seems to really give you a bad taste in your mouth about alcohol.
If I’m wrong, I completely apologize. Just what I’m gathering from ya.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Oh no, I mean my family drinks, it’s fine. I just like to think I’m above it. That I don’t have to drink because my parents did, because I’m a teenager in college. I wanna be better than that, you know? I just feel I’m too smart to fall into that trap. I hope this doesn’t offend anyone. I just obviously have a huge bias to alcohol but do understand both sides of the coin.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just obviously have a huge bias to alcohol but do understand both sides of the coin.
I’ll drink to that!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 17, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can see where you’re coming from, both my parents were alcoholics when I was young. My dad still is while my mom gave it up almost entirely to the point where I drink more than she does and I rarely drink at all. I do like me some tequila though.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
why is drinking something to be looked down upon? I think you’re grouping binge drinking with social drinking, and I don’t think that’s an accurate thing to do.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I lump all drinking together, because alcohol is always the common denominator. Just like drinking in general, I see no positive in social drinking either. I mean, what’s the point? I don’t need a buzz to have fun with some guys going out.
Once again, I’m not trying to attack those that do consume alcohol. I don’t want to do that. I’m just trying to further state my own opinion but it’s coming across as stepping on toes.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The point is that you keep saying you don’t need a buzz, and better than that, or trap. All drinking isn’t about getting a buzz. Sure you’ll get one but everyone doesn’t drink specifically for that reason.
Some people enjoy the taste of a good drink of beer etc., and aren’t looking to get buzzed just to have fun.
But I’m not criticizing you for your opinion just trying to explain how it might be taken the wrong due to confusion.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
Ah, well. To answer that, I’ve obviously smelled the aroma of beer, seen people’s reactions to the taste when they first drink and heard opinions on beer in general. Nothing about it excites me, I see no benefit.
Don’t wanna sound like a jackass or a noble. I understand their are good people who drink, not trying to label. I just have my own understandings that help me in my stance.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think the thing that may be coming off as being a bit “holier-than-thou” is that you keep referring to it as a trap, or saying you’re better than that, which implies there is something inherently bad about it or about the people that partake in it. I’m not saying that is your stance, just trying to clarify what it may sound like to other people.
Again, just to be perfectly clear, I’m not judging your decision in any way. It is a perfectly valid position to take.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, I’ve been watching this and avoiding, but here goes.
I just have my own understandings that help me in my stanceWhat is your “stance” exactly? I’m still trying to figure that out.
_
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
That I think alcohol brings only negatives. I just see no positives that come from me drinking, regardless of the situation. Might as well stay away from it. I see no benefit.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I could be really annoying and continue this way OT thread by mentioning that many studies have shown that people who drink a glass of red wine every day actually live longer than people who don’t drink, but I’m not going to do so because it would probably just perpetuate this OT thread ad nauseum.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops – sorry, meant to keep that thought in my head but accidentally hit the Post button, sorry folks…
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops – sorry, meant to keep that thought in my head but accidentally hit the Post button, sorry folks…
See, now I have every right to call you a jackass right now. Like I said, I’m not trying to step on toes, this subject is touchy and the way I look at it, I can understand how it may rub someone the wrong way. No need to be a dick though.
I understand the studies, I understand both sides. BUT I know 100% that I will never receive a DUI. I will never pull a Donte Stallworth. That can all happen from just one drink. Possibly from that one drink I would take to live longer. Not. Worth. It.
I’m sorry everyone. I am seriously not trying to be this holier than thou thing. I’m sorry.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
BUT I know 100% that I will never receive a DUI. I will never pull a Donte Stallworth. That can all happen from just one drink.
This is all kinds of false. Unless you are a 2 foot tall primordial dwarf even 1 shot of everclear isn’t going to make you blow a .08 or slow your reaction time enough to hit someone in a crosswalk.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll drink to that ;)
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, yes and no. I was writing a bit of a hyperbole but there are situations that could make it true. Certain wines have a huge alcohol content for example. FOURLOKO has the alcohol content of 6 beers. That’s f*cking ridiculous. Also, maybe that one drink leads to 2 or 3… or 10?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 18, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Slippery slope fallacy!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 18, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
when most people say one drink, they aren’t referring to 4loco. also, wine has nowhere near the alcohol content of everclear, and a shot of that won’t get you drunk.
Your overall point is still right, if you don’t drink anything you can’t get into that kind of trouble. It just takes more than one drink.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. Like I said, I did state quite a hyperbole.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 18, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
It would be ridiculous to consider Fourloko “one drink”. Thats like saying “oh, a 40 of Malt Liquor is just 1 drink” or “A bottle of boones farm is just one drink”
Also, maybe that one drink leads to 2 or 3… or 10?
…if you have no self-control. Now that is not an alcohol issue but your own personal issue. I can have one drink and leave it at that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
6 beers is 6 drinks, not one drink.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Not trying to pressure you in to starting this, BTW, just saying that some people can drink in moderation or even get drunk in a responsible, not-too-health-damaging manner.
If you never want to touch the stuff, don’t. I used to think that as well. Alcohol had been demonized and made far less attractive to me because I’d only seen peer-pressuring, infantile, unintelligent douchebags drink and I wanted more than anything to not be like them. They almost had to do it to feel good about themselves, which is more tragic than fun, cool, or appealing. I also didn’t like the idea of damaging my still-developing brain.
But to say there is nothing positive in it for anyone seems like you are stepping on toes. To say there’s nothing positive in it for you doesn’t. Actions that may harm the person in question are a personal choice, and we should all respect each others’ choices. Actions that harm or could potentially harm others such as alcohol-fueled physical abuse or drunk driving are illegal for a reason.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I have had great dinners a good wine has enhanced and great conversations that may not have happened without a glass or two of libations. In vino veritas after all. However you have a good point and many folks can’t handle their alcohol. In Italy they enjoy drinking but look down on being drunk. I think that makes sense.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you. And I have indeed been around those that were drinking alcohol and a great time ensued. Not saying it’s all negative in general, but it’s all negative to me.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Are these people drinking Natty Ice or Great Lakes Christmas Ale? Because some beer is delicious.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Wine, too. And Bourbon.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Dec 18, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Some people enjoy the taste of a good drink of beer etc., and aren’t looking to get buzzed just to have fun.
I love me some Samuel Adams. Plus, there is nothing like watching a browns game with your father, drinking some good quality beer. There is something nice about that sort of experience that is indescribable.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
No worries, you don’t need to drink to have a good time, but sometimes it’s fun. You don’t need to do anything to have a good time, but sometimes things are fun.
Sometimes a beer is just a tasty, relaxing beverage.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Dec 18, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, to each their own I guess. Doesn’t offend me, I enjoy a good beer, or two, or six on a friday night.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I’ll drink to that!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
True SB, although you, actually, might be one of those few who might benefit from drinking occasionally.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 17, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha. I was asking b/c I turn 20 in a couple weeks so I just wondered if it was anything special.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
HA, I knew you had to be older than TRSS. Just had a gut feeling.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is the youngest that I know of here.
I think there are a lot around my age (19-21 range). I know there is SB, NTN, Shep, and I am pretty sure Simms
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Yeah. I was rippin’ on him over a subject, then I found out he was only 15.
HAHA He’s in love with Brady Quinn.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
awwww his first mancrush…how cute!
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Are you sure it’s his first?
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 18, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, trss us only 15. I figured him to be in his 20s. Color me surprised that he is younger than me.
"We don't take no prisoners! I say we kill'em, every other team! That way we don't got to feed them or nothing!
-Coach Kevin Hockett
by brownsboy14 on Dec 18, 2010 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*is. Wow my iPod keyboard sucks.
"We don't take no prisoners! I say we kill'em, every other team! That way we don't got to feed them or nothing!
-Coach Kevin Hockett
by brownsboy14 on Dec 18, 2010 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
forgot about you too. I was thinking about people who have posted recently and you haven’t so you kinda slipped my mind.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I tend to stay away for a few days after losses, especially when they are as pathetic as last week’s game.
20 feels like 19. Haha… Weird thing is 19 felt more like 17 than 18. I was allowed to start smoking my pipe (legally) when I turned 18… Then shortly after turning 19 I met my now fiancée who has a big problem with smoking of any kind (Grandpa died of lung cancer from smoking), so I’m not allowed to smoke anymore.
21 might feel a little different, but not by much. I’ll let you know about that one when I get there tho ;)
I say this as a twenty year pipe smoker…. be glad you got out when you did.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 17, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
We all know it’s a different pipe that you smoke, one that doesn’t give you lung cancer.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
would explain a lot
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Ah, now I get the joke.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean crack, but ok.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not true at all. I haven’t smoked anything other than tobacco since college.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
since college
So you did the continuing education thing too, eh?
Yeah, I’m like you – didn’t graduate til later in life.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t find a reliable source either, eh?
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh definitely, it’s something I’m not TOO sad to see go… I wasn’t a regular smoker anyway. I would smoke maybe 3 or 4 bowls a week at most. I kinda miss it cause it was pretty relaxing and a good way to unwind, but I don’t miss the potential negative effects of it.
Overall, fiancee/wife > pipe smoking :)
Also, kudos to the photographer. That’s an awesome picture. Love also seeing the might that is Evan Moore as compared to two NFL QBs. Dude’s huge.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 16, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions
I thought you said you dont drink?
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
NM, your post was blank when I typed that.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
This should be a good test for Colt as a long term starter. His last starts had a lot less pressure and expectations then there are now.
by HenryDawg on Dec 17, 2010 11:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’d have to disagree with you on this. The pressure to win is always there. The pressure is not as great because making the playoffs aren’t on the line.
The thing I like about McCoy is I don’t think external pressure really phases him much.
He came on the scene with his own expectation – to win every game he plays in.
Any pressure he feels was put there by himself to that end. The kid is solid as a rock mentally / emotionally.
(btw, ask anyone who followed him closely at Texas – I guarantee you will hear the same sentiment)
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I know, sorry, I couldn’t help it.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
the worst is that it started with:
without getting into a huge discussion…
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
did you not see the name on the door?
DBN – Where not getting into a huge discussion is a huge discussion.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
by Villeslgr on Dec 17, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hitler was a drinker and a pipe smoker.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What type of pipe though?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
every type.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why do we have to be the only SBN post with Hitler conversations? Seriously? When you Google Dawgs by Nature one of the first things it has is the golans tag line. Looks awesome I’m sure for any Jewish fans thinking about joining.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
When you Google Dawgs by Nature one of the first things it has is the golans tag line.
My work here is done.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Actually, I am currently on page 6 and have yet to see your tag. That was a hyperbole.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct. I swear though for the last couple months it was the third link on there. I go through Google everyday and always chuckle when I see it because it’s so random.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Hitler is far from random here.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
I believe Hitler actually posts here, from the Island he lives on with JFK, Elvis, Amelia Earhart, and Biggie Smalls.
That’s one helluva Christmas party…
I hope Biggie and Hitler keep on opposite ends of the island. That could be a bad scene.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 18, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Hitler has to stay on the West Side away from Biggie’s turf
by rebuilding year on Dec 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tupac was Hitler.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dawgs by Nature logical fallacy search returns about 29,400,000 results.
I blame bross.
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 18, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you google DBN? Am I missing something?
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Goodwin’s law of nazi analogies states that
“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”32 In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all online discussions—regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Godwin’s law.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 18, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hitler didn’t smoke. He also abolished smoking for pregnant women. Bad for the race. Damn socialist. I’d like to see them take my cigs from me. Heads would roll.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s like my wife saying she doesn’t want to fight and then teeing off on me.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Preaching to the choir on that one, my friend.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s basically saying I want to express my point and don’t need any feed back from you. I guess we are all guilty of it.
Resident of Believeland.
by browndawgbacker on Dec 17, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah every time I’ve said that it ended in a huge discussion, such as the great physics debate after the Shipley hit.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I never actually checked back to see how that one ended. I just decided it would be best to let it be.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
These threads with non-football related debates seem to grow the fastest, other than game threads.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I say we have a weekly OT thread. I’m serious. We could move all of the long, distracting threads into one giant overflow and keep football with football.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Also, why are there no more minion articles? Wasn’t that the whole premise of adding minions? So Chris didn’t do all the writing…? I know Ryan has personal matters that keep him sidelined and Rufio has school but B19K is regularly. He also had a few good series going and then he just hit the wall. What’s going on Matt?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Work pretty much. When I was laid up with my knee injury it was much easier.
Now with work, the time I used to commit to researching and writing a good article has disappeared. I wish I had more, I am going to really try and write a lot more around the time of the draft.
It is easy to pop on here for 10 minutes and post a few comments, but it seems that all I have time for.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 17, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a Halo kid, sorry.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 18, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t realize that Activision has just had their developers repackage CoD 4 a few times, with minor tweaks, and then is selling the same crap back to you?
Every yearly edition of CoD is really no better than an expansion pack, except you by 3 to 6 times the cost.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
No more an “expansion pack” than Halo 2 is to Halo 3.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I think you meant that the other way around.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m certain you meant that the other way around.
I’m not even a major Halo fan, but that is not even remotely true. That comparison is entirely invalid. Not even at all close, really.
Halo 2 to Halo 3: threes years development time, entirely new graphics engine, drastic gameplay alterations
MW2 to BO: one year development time, slightly tweaked graphics engine, different killstreaks and weapons
Not to mention, all Treyarch has ever done is rehash the games already created by the developers formally known as Infinity Ward. Again, just changing the weapons and killstreaks.
Killstreaks are also like cancer to the FPS genre, yet the only reason these CoD games are as successful as they are. Some joker can hop on his console and get some kills without dying… then control a BMG from a chopper and mo-down 20 or so red triangles and feel good about himself and the 45 – 1 k/d ratio. The less skill involved the more the copies they will sell.
Thank god that Infinity Ward went under so we don’t have to deal with the endless hype up marketing campaign bombarding the television and internet by Activision. This time around they might have to actually take more than a year to repackage this garbage again.
I think you’re just trying to rationalize the $60 you spent on the CoD 4.0.2 by degrading a completely different game, so you don’t feel ripped off as you truly were.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I recently tried playing MW2 online, couldn’t deal with the 12 year olds hurling slurs at everyone.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
For the record, both Call of Duty and Halo have the extremely annoying 12 year olds problem.
Now, Star Craft 2 is a game that has an amazing online experience without the moronic juveniles.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Yes, I especially like it when the Mom hears the 12 year old yelling profanities and you hear him getting his ass beat over his mic.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I haven’t gotten Starcraft 2. I really want to though. Starcraft was such a fun game…and Jim Raynor is a total badass.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I actually haven’t bought a CoD for a long time…But I don’t feel it is any more of an “expansion pack” than a lot of sequel games out there.
I do hate killstreaks like you. And I have never been a fan of the Treyarch games. I disagree about the fact that its essentially an expansion, but I agree with you on the other stuff you are saying.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I completely stand by my statement that they just repackage the same garbage 1 year later then call a whole new game to justify the $60 price tag. And people eat it up… hence the record breaking sales.
Star Craft 2 and Halo 3 are actually prime examples of real sequels, and further the point that the yearly new CoD is nothing more than an expansion pack worth of tweaks.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Yes, I have. Not a lot, but a fair amount. If new weapons, maps, killstreaks and campaign (the same stuff you’d see in a $10-20 expansion) are considered a lot too you, than that’s the case. But outside of that, it’s really not all the different.
I also have a ton of hours on MW2 (this game was awful, not sure why I put up with it) on PSN. And even more in CoD 4 on XBL. I spend a lot of time gaming, FPS games are my personal favorite, and the fact remains that Activion has been simply reselling slightly tweaked versions of the same game every year. They know how to market it as well.
They took one from Apple’s book, in that your products don’t need to be good to sell well, you just need to know how to market them with hype.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Sounds like you never liked the game to begin with. And if new weapons, maps, killstreaks and campaign doesn’t seem like a new game to you, I can’t imagine why you’d ever play any sequel.
I loved Modern Warfare. Hated Modern Warfare 2. Love Black Ops. I think they play much different.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 19, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
I have played the game. I’ve already told you this. Maybe you never played the game to begin with. You really resort to he-said-she-said nonsense here?
New weapons, maps, and all that jazz are available for $10 in Battlefield: Bad Campany 2 – Vietnam. That’s an expansion pack.
2 entirely new campaigns are available for $20 in Grand Theft Auto 4: Episodes from Liberty City (Lost and the Damned & Ballad of Gay Tony).
As an avid gamer who likes to get my money worth, I expect more from a $60 title. How about a new game engine from the ground up? Here’s an idea, about actually creating a new game rather than tweaking the old one?
For a specific example of how this can be done on an actual CoD title, compare and contrast CoD 2 to CoD 4. That’s a sequel, before IW sold its soul to the devil (Activision) they actually made good games that improved drastically as they went along.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Sounds like you never liked the game to begin with.
I guess when I said game I meant franchise, but that wasn’t the part you misunderstood anyway.
He-said-she-said? What?
I get it. You don’t like Black Ops. I’m not going to persuade you to like it.
You know they will never do that unless they need to to make money. I tend to agree with you but it’s going to remain the same as long as they make money without doing it.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You’re right, it’s sad the greedy bastards have no dignity. The worst part is that they break the sales record the past two years they released one.
(The hold this record in part because Halo isn’t multiplatform.) But people eating this crap up, it encourages them and others. The overall quality of video games has gone down significantly over the past 5 years.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I would love a main campaign that was 20+ hours long. I would pay for a new version for that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Instead what you get is a 4 hour campaign, filled to the brim with explosions, and over-complicated plot lines, likely in attempt to disguise how short and bad the story really is. Something even Micheal Bay would be embarrassed by.
But that’s what happens when you spend less than a year in development. They understand that their real money maker is the multiplayer too. How much of that year, I wonder, actually went into the campaign? Maybe 4-5 months at best.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
No. I played it at a friend’s place. Transfered my GT (same username) and played online for a couple hours. It’s really terrible.
If I wanted to play a good CoD game, I’d play CoD 2 (for PC) or CoD 4 (for PC or 360).
Or if I wanted to play a more current FPS, I could play Bad Company 2, which is easily the best non-scifi shooter of the past two years. Sadly Halo: Reach takes the cake overall only because Valve has neglected Half-Life for far too long.
a Delhomme [a·del·homme·] -noun
1. an interception that is returned for a touchdown
2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
I’d go along with the moderator being able to halt or delete long OT threads.
(unless perhaps they are just light hearted threads started by someone making a joke or pun…)
A couple of suggestions for ‘posting rules’:
- This board is about football first.
- Please avoid creating posts espousing opinions and personal beliefs on politics, religion, or other topics that are generally considered controversial / non-sports related topics.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
We already have those rules, sometimes we just get caught up and choose not to follow them and then Chris, Brad, Bernie, etc. have to delete a thread and we get back to football.
Usually we do a decent job policing ourselves when we veer off topic.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
I really like Delhomme as a person. Very humble man and professional.
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Your sig sucks. Go Sharks!
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry!
NHL - Blues suck, Blackhawks suck, Kings suck, Pens suck, Stars suck, Flames suck, Ducks suck, Sharks suck.
NFL - Steelers suck, Bengals suck, Ravens suck.
MLB - Red Sox suck, White Sox suck, Yankees suck.
NBA - Heat suck, Celtics suck, Magic suck, Bulls suck, Pistons suck, Wizards suck, Knicks suck, Nets suck.
I agree with your signature. especially the Blues.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I like him on our bench and in practice mentoring McCoy. Alot.
That in itself, while expensive, is why I would like him around next year as well. Those who can’t do anymore, like Delhomme, teach .
Delhomme has experienced success in this league, and he is top-notch in terms of attitude. He’s a team guy first, hard worker, not a complainer—just the type of guy you want teaching a young QB like McCoy who seems to value all of those same characteristics.
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 17, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
A small wish list for Santa, from Colt
1. Ravens keep it close against the Saints Sunday (or maybe better yet give the Ravens a W).
I’d prefer not to have a pissed off Ray Lewis coming into Cleveland the day after Christmas ready to beat somebody up after a drubbing by the surging Saints. I’ve got my work cut out for me as it is.
2. Please find a cure for Scott Fujita’s knee ligament. Soon. Santa, I don’t think I need to explain this one to you, but suffice it to say I would prefer not to have to play catch up against the Ravens and the Steelers, and along with an already strong Browns D, Fujita might be just what the doctor ordered. If you can’t grant this wish, please see #3.
3. Troy’s ankle injury takes a few more weeks to recover. I don’t like to wish pain or injury on anyone, but I won’t apologize if it means a bit more of a level playing field on the injury front when the Steelers come to town. I can run, but that’s one dude I’d prefer not to have chasing after me all day (again).
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Santa: So, Colt. Does that mean you don’t want this RT?
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
?
RT? Sure, add a new right tackle that to the list.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 18, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
i think that’s retwit?
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
? Je ne comprends pas. Parlez-vous anglais?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 19, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Je parle un peu anglais.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Company Xmas party at Pala Casino last night. Came up a couple hundred playing roulette. Super hungover. Spent $80 on a cab. Need to find a way to get my truck home. wtf
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 18, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions
SB told you so.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
lol… asshole
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 18, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Hilarious!
Never underestimate the powers of Josh Cribbs.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
All i want for Christmas is the browns to not fire Mangini. Although, the record is not what alot of fans would want to see.. i do believe we have the most talented team since the return(except @ WR). And a promising QB. I believe this year this young team is learning alot and with a couple key additions this off-season will be competeing not only for a play-off spot but a run @ the division..but daboll definantly has to go..and i know it wouldn’t be a very popular move but if the browns could bring in mcdaniels i think it would GREATLY improve are offense.
It always surprises the hell out of me when someone mentions football here.
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 18, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At a party full of hot women and all I can think of is my girlfriend and the Cleveland Browns. Greetings from Cordoba, Argentina, to all Browns fans wherever they may be. I’m addicted to this team. It’s just pure, unrequited love. GO BROWNS!
by BuenosAires_Dawg on Dec 19, 2010 12:44 AM EST reply actions
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