SI's 2010 Mock redaft. How did our rookies do?
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 16, 2010 2:41 PM EST
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PrintSI's 2010 Mock redaft. How did our rookies do?
Short answer: Great.
Redraft says:
Colt McCoy -> #7 overall to Browns due to being a very solid rookie quarterback. You'd have better luck using a snow man to block Joe Thomas than you would trying to get McCoy outside of the first round.
T.J. Ward -> #14 overall to Seattle. Ward gets to be the third safety off the board after Berry (someone EVERYONE here wanted badly), and Earl Thomas.
So we have two guys who should have gone in the top half of the first round for bargain prices. Oooo, I love having an awesome GM. But what about our top pick?
Joe Haden -> #17 overall to San Francisco. This time he's the second corner taken, after Devin McCourtney who's re-projected to be snapped up by the Giants, so he just barely misses being included in the top half.
Overall, this draft class has been simply outstanding. Add in a healthy Montario Hardesty and it could be better than birthdays and Christmas combined! THIS is the kind of insurgence of talent that the Browns have long been overdue for. Now I wonder how a possible work stoppage could ruin the progress we've made...
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I’m shocked. shocked I say!
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting piece, I had never read any those for before. It does further the point that most Browns fans are already aware of, that is that we had an awesome draft. Hopefully we can keep it rolling.
I’ve got to say, looking back on it, we’re lucky we didn’t get Berry, otherwise we wouldn’t have Haden or Ward. Hindsight 20-20 blah blah.
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Isn’t it lovely when we can look back and use 20-20 to say that we did something right instead of all the things we did wrong?
Yeah, but here that hindsight was luck. We would have taken Berry if we could have and everyone on this board would be thrilled — save golan who was high on Haden, but frankly I doubt he would have been upset if we took Berry.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Berry was more NFL ready than Haden and had a slightly higher ceiling, but felt that there was far more risk of Berry not doing the work needed to find his ceiling. I also felt, based on the film I saw of Berry in college, that he was a bigger risk to bust due to injury. He was a hitter, not a tackler, and lead too often with his head.
I would have been fine with drafting Berry, but I still think we got the better of the two players.
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Top 10 rookie, maybe. But in terms of the teams redoing their draft picks for their needs and what those needs are now, no.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 16, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Top flight corner is more valuable than most other positions. No doubt in my mind he goes in the top 10 as does Haden.
Eh, hard to say if we’re talking about these same 10 teams picking picks.
1) St.Louis – Sam Bradford – Bradford or Haden?
2) Detroit – Suh – Dominate DT currently a top contender for DRoY or Haden?
3) Tampa – McCoy DT
4) Washington – OT – Good solid offensive lineman to protect McNabb or Haden?
5) Kansas City – Eric Berry – Eh, you can make a good argument for this.
6) Seattle – Trent Williams – Another good, solid, offensive lineman, or Haden? (Especially considering how bad that line was and how banged up Hasselbeck became because of it.)
7) Cleveland – Colt McCoy – Depends on what you think of him, but potential franchise QB or a franchise corner?
8) Oakland – Dez Bryant – Historically, it’s been the offense that’s struggled, not the defense. They already have one elite corner. The receiving corp needs better, well, receivers. It’s about priorities on this one. But then again, it’s Al Davis. He probably would have gone for Spiller or something.
9) Buffalo – Blount – Heck, I would think they get an offensive lineman more than an running back, but it’s their running game that shredded us. Haden might not add too many wins in the middle of their conversion to a 3-4.
10) Jaguars – Alulau – This guy was NOWHERE near anyone’s radar for the first round, but they got a guy that the media loves now. I havnt’ seen him too much, including our game against them, but I hear nothing but good things for him. I doubt the Jags take Haden and pass him up in a redux.
You can make a case for a couple of spots, but there’s just as much argument for the guys taken instead. Accounting present needs and such with current production is the name of the game. Haden does not make top 10, not because he lacks any sort of talent, but because the teams picking in the top 10 had other needs and found stud players to fill those needs.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
The only spot in the top 10 as a possibility outside of Cleveland is Seattle. then again IMO they had more pressing needs and haden was already considered by some a mild reach…so why reach for a need that isn’t pressing?
Outside of that, the only other places I see for him are San Fran and then NYG.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
haden was already considered by some a mild reach
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No, he really wasn’t considered a reach at all.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 17, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
to some people he was. some people considered him more of a mid-round talent who ended up in the top ten because of positional value and team need.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
yes. Many people and many “draft experts” said this. He was good, but maybe not worth being in the top 10
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
look at haden’s resume tho. He was a high school qb and came to florida knowing he would have to change positions. He is the first gator to start as a true freshman at the cb position. After just 3 years of playing cb he is drafted in the top 10. This is just his 4th year at cb. With 5 int’s this year, it’s the most he has ever had in one season. This kid is just getting started.
we’re not arguing any of that.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 18, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t get to list being drafted in the top 10 on your resume to try to get people to draft you in the top 10.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
you are a sharp one. in that post i listed his resume, as a salute to browns fans. rufio i have ordered ur cranberry juice. No where did i say, “he should be redrafted in the top ten because he was.” But ur hateful comments are always welcome in my book.
I don’t think I understand what you mean about cranberry juice and I wasn’t being hateful.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
you seen “The Departed”? I don’t want to go more into it so I will just Link it.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
you have me totally confused now. Why did you post his resume as a salute to browns fans in a place where we were discussing whether or not some experts thought he was a reach?
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by notthatnoise on Dec 19, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with all of this, I am just saying why people thought he was a reach. and I put quotations around the experts because that is a very questionable description.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
If I remember correctly I saw Haden as one of many in the second tier of talent. Bradford, Berry, Suh as that first tier, then McClain, Thomas, Okung, Williams, Haden, Earl Thomas and Graham.
Bryant, Iupati and Anthony Davis probably would have all been first tier talents but I would have put them all lower on my board for one reason or another. I still think Bryant has some of that WR attitude that no one likes, Iupati played pretty bad competition and only plays OG, and Davis’ film was pretty damn inconsistent.
I also might have slid Gresham, Dan Williams, and Kareem Jackson up near the bottom of that second tier.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I don’t think Dez or Blount would go in a re-done top 10 even with what we know now. WR and RB historically are less frequent top 10 picks especially RB.
Well, if you look at it from the perspective “Buffalo wanted to get the best running back, no matter what,” the Blount pick makes some sense. But who knows?
Perhaps the SB nation fanbases should conduct their own re-draft during the off-season. when we’re bored out of our skulls.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 17, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think Dez would, because he has the skills AND he was already considered a potential top 10 guy. Dez was a possible top 10 guy who exceeded many peoples’ expectations.
I get blount though.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Dez Bryant was considered to be the hands down top receiver in the draft. He only fell to the Cowboys due to concerns on his character, and outside his initial refusal to carry another player’s pads/helmet, I havn’t heard anything negative about him.
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by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 18, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is playing right up to people’s expectations. I am still waiting for him to do something crazy or throw his talent away, but that’s me going out on a limb and making a pretty unfair judgement on a guy from miles away.
He didn’t fall because of talent, his talent has never been the question.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I mostly agree with his talent never being a question (except for maybe his bad pro day) but I still do think he has played better than many expected. For example, he already has more TDs and about as many Catches as ESPN projected for him and is on pace for about the same amount of yards per game they projected.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
He already did that in Tennessee, but he was given a third chance.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
I was referring to Bryant, my apologies.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That was my fault, I got lost in the thread, i thought we were still talking about Blount.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
When it really comes down to it, we got a lot of value and didn’t have to pay a huge price. two or three more drafts like this, the Browns will be playoff contenders again.
No talking. Talking doesn't play football, talking isn't going to make you practice harder or play harder.
two or three more drafts like this, the Browns will be playoff contenders again
I will up the ante on that and say ONE more draft like this and (assuming we have our coaching staff situation straightened out…) we should be playoff contenders.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 17, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Two or three more drafts like this and we’re talking deep playoff runs.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ward has outplayed Berry.
Not so sure about that — his stats are better but Ward has had problems in coverage and to compound that has not been able to pull down interceptions that he should have gotten. Ward is a beast but I still think Berry would be the better pick if you are just picking safeties. As I said elsewhere, I am thrilled we missed on Berry as we would never have taken Haden and Ward if we took Berry. We would have gotten a second round CB, and there was not much quality CBs left there.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ward’s coverage has been better than Berry’s. Berry was responsible for the first 4 passing TDs the Chiefs allowed and while improved, is still behind Ward at the moment.
I have been less impressed with Ward’s play as the season has worn on, and more impressed with Berry’s. I hope this trend doesn’t continue but you have to consider it when ranking the two right now.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Kyle Wilson drops to the second round. Suck it fat Rex!
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by golanbatrac on Dec 16, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wilson could be a flop. I’m not impressed yet.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
No one is.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
At the time I was willing to trade back and get Wilson.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 19, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
you aren’t the only one.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 20, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
TJ Ward should not be ahead of Joe Haden. Though I agree he would be taken in the first round.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions
I think a lot would have to do with team need, and right now a lot of the teams between 8 and 17 do not have a huge need for a CB. the only one I can think of that would draft a CB (besides NY where McCourty went) is San Fran who ended up taking haden. The only other team where I see any sort of need where they would consider a 1st rounder at CB is Seattle.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Goo
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good CBs are many many many times harder to find than good safeties.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 16, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Why would a snowman try to block Joe Thomas?
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
All you have to do is knock the hat off his head. Not that difficult.
It’s not a lie if you believe it.
by Brownie's Year on Dec 17, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I guess my question is, why would JT be rushing? If we could use JT to go both ways, I’d be all for it.
Championship.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
Interesting, did not know that. JT forgive me.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
He played TE, OT and DE at Wisky.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
tore his acl playing DE in the bowl game his soph (?) year
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Heckert for President
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
by Kimble_79 on Dec 17, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Best offseason move by far was getting Heckert.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think I can agree to this.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Holmgren got Heckert. So 2nd?
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Holmgren was acquired during end of last season.
his pick sexes put us over the top
by North Coast Flea on Dec 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
saved on a technicality!
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by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I look forward to talking draft with you guys this offseason.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 19, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions
How did you predictions for last year do?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I deserve that.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
So, not good? Only thing I remember clearly was Clausen which is not looking good for you. I thought some of “your guys” might have done well.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I haven’t followed the SeaHawks. How has Golden Tate looked?
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I don’t think he’s doing so hot. He has 17 catches for 214 yards. That’s less than Robiskie in both categories for anyone who’s counting
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Robiskie is in his second year, FWIW. And maybe I’m wrong but I thought that Tate may have missed a couple games due to injury.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
He did, or at least it looked like it was because of injury. It’s probably worth something that Robi is in his second year, but neither player was going to be a fantasy juggernaut in their respective offense.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Oh, I thought you were meant that since I was totally wrong about the Browns players (I liked Haden a lot, but thought Ward & McCoy weren’t good picks, while Geathers and Mitchell were steals OUCH!)
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
So no, not so good.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, I was right about some things. I thought Ryan Matthews and Trent Williams were WAY overated, and that’s been right so far. I also believed Dez was a top 5-10 talent, and I stand by that.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
But I was the first one to bring up Suh on DBN. I said he is someone we should target before last year.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
you’re right … suh was living in obscurity in the big 12 before you found him…
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 21, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
No need to be an ass. But there wasn’t anyone talking about him on here before.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is true, actually. I knew he was good but you saw him blossoming in to the top-5 pick he was.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Thank you, but to my discredit I also thought Jon Dwyer was gonna be big time.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve loved Suh for awhile, don’t know if I mentioned it on this site, but I only really follow big 12 in college.
Big 12 and BC, right?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I’ll never forget watching Nebraska (and Suh) playing the Longhorns last year.
The Longhorns o-line has been a question mark for a couple of years (their OC was fired at the end of this year). In the Nebraska game last year, Suh kept running over and through the Longhorns o-line like they were a bunch of toy plastic bowling pins. McCoy did his best to stay away from him, but Suh is so quick he was able to get to McCoy several times. It was painful to watch – McCoy was just a ragdoll in Suh’s arms whenever he got hold of him. McCoy was sacked nine times – Suh was credited with 4 1/2 sacks. McCoy was beat up in that game, but just kept getting back up and never quit.
McCoy and the Longhorns pulled out a win anyway.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 22, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Suh is a beast.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
total beast.
if you get the chance, check out his interview w/ dan patrick from earlier this week … guy sounds like a freaking philosopher, not a qb assassin.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 22, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Suh should have won the Heisman last season.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 23, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 24, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
“We”? Are you one of us now?
If so, welcome, AND I a m sorry you got sucked into the club. Its tough at times.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 21, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, I was thinkin back to the good old days.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Those days were never all that good. At least from a football perspective.
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2. a useless, drive killing checkdown pass
Well it was in the fact that I still had hope that Quinn could be a succesful QB.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oops that was poorly worded but I hope you still get what I was trying to say.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
You no longer think he will be successful? Do you think he will be in the NFL much longer? Interested in your thoughts. Also, what do you think Clausen’s future will be?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 22, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Quinn will get another chance to start. And he doesn’t deserve one with how he looked this preseason. I could see him being a decent backup though.
It’s early to say on Clausen. I mean, Sanchez was bad his rookie year (12 TDs, 20 INTs) and ESPN acts like he is the next great thing. Clausen doesn’t have great receivers like Stafford (Steve Smith is not what he used to be) and looks like he is always running for his life after the snap (as opposed to Sanchez getting an elite O-line). Now I’m not saying Clausen will be great or even good, but I think he deserves more of a chance than this.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between bad (Sanchez) and Godawful (Clausen). Sanchez actually showed flashes at times and showed a bit more in the playoffs whereas Clausen may have shown flashes for a drive or two, but he has pretty much been consistently awful.
Stafford has only one great WR
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
But that receiver is top 3 in the NFL.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
but you said great WRs. yes, he is top 3 (arguably, though i would put him there), but that is all he has. He has a pretty good young TE, an average #2 WR, and no #3 WR worth mentioning He is also on a team that has no threat rushing the ball that the D has to worry about so they can key on the pass.
Peyton manning this year also had an elite WR and a good TE but junk everything else (including running game). I don’t see how the argument is “peyton has no options” and with similar options “stafford has many options”. something seems wrong with that.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Scheffler is a solid TE, if not a good one.
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Pettigrew.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I was saying that in addition to Pettigrew…
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 27, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
If you would swap Clausen and Sanchez, I don’t think either team looks any different.
The Carolina Panthers are a God-awful football team.
by Bernie19Kosar on Dec 23, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on all your points.
As for Sanchez, maybe just me, but I think he’s generally overrated.
It is true though that generally it is really hard to know what a QB’s ceiling is in the NFL until they have a few seasons under their belt. QB in the NFL just tends to have a very long, steeper learning curve (literally and in terms of experience) than any other position.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of interesting article, but of course, aided by hindsight, anyone can reevaluate the draft without any kind of skill. Basically, the writer is just killing space to justify his paycheck.
Personally, I was leery of the McCoy pick, not because of his merits, but because of the Brady Quinn trade-up pick. That said, I have really been impressed by McCoy, and hope he will blossom into a stud QB.
I am no expert on draft picks though, and readily cede to anyone who says they are—who am I to argue? I was ecstatic when the Browns drafted Joe Thomas (fabulous), and just as happy when they traded back into the 1st round to get Quinn (facepalm). Obviously, I am no evaluator of talent. The only NCAA team I follow closely is the Buckeyes.
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