NFL Playoffs: A Look at the Cleveland Browns' Slim Chances
by Chris Pokorny on Dec 8, 2010 10:24 AM EST
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Everyone knows that the Cleveland Browns likely will not make the playoffs, but it feels good to know that the team has not been eliminated heading into Week 14. You might not think the Browns can make the playoffs at 9-7, but that is the same record Cleveland had when they made their last playoff appearance nearly a decade ago.
It is not worth going through every game with playoff implications from now until Week 17, because if the Browns lose or something, we can throw all of those other weeks out of the window. Therefore, we will take this on a week-by-week basis in terms of projecting who we want to win relevant games. Before I get into that, I need to address two teams: the Browns and the Baltimore Ravens.
- The Cleveland Browns need to win their final four games. They could technically make it in at 8-8, but then we're talking about 100% of the games going our way pretty much.
- The Baltimore Ravens need to go 1-3 over their final four games. They face Houston, New Orleans, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. I'm projecting Cincinnati as their victory, although they did lose to them earlier this season.
Now then, let's get to the Week 14 games that we care about (I have underlined the teams I think should win):
- Indianapolis Colts vs. Tennessee Titans: Peyton Manning is in a huge funk right now, but I just can't imagine the Colts missing the playoffs. They still control their own destiny, because if they win out, they are the division winners. Either the Colts or the Jaguars are going to win the division, and I'm putting my odds on Indianapolis.
- Oakland Raiders vs. Jacksonville Jaguars: With me favoring the Colts for the division, that means it is time to root for Jacksonville to lose. They also have a head-to-head tiebreaker against us, so it's better to hope they finish at 8-8. We don't want Oakland to finish the season at 9-7, but since they are a hot/cold team, an 8-8 finish for them could be possible too. We could reverse this scenario too -- if the Colts lose on Thursday, we would root for Jacksonville to win the division while also taking Oakland out of the picture.
- Cleveland Browns vs. Buffalo Bills: The Bills have been playing teams very tough, whether it be in shootouts or defensive battles. In the end, Buffalo has one of the league's worst records and they have had trouble beating Cleveland in the past several years.
- Miami Dolphins vs. New York Jets: Chances are, the outcome of this game won't really matter to us. The only reason I even listed it is because if the Dolphins finish the season tied with us a 9-7, it helps create a situation where the Browns can't be eliminated solely on a head-to-head tiebreaker if a team like the Chiefs also finish at 9-7.
- Kansas City Chiefs vs. San Diego Chargers: Gosh, this is a tough one. I think whoever wins this game takes the division, meaning we will need to root against the other team. Since the Chiefs have a two game lead already and beat Cleveland, it's probably better to root for the Chiefs to win the division and force San Diego to win their final three games.
- Baltimore Ravens vs. Houston Texans: Out of all the games, this is the one that matters the most. If Baltimore wins, all they need is one more win to finish ahead of the Browns. We need Houston's offense to come out firing.
It might look terribly against the Browns due to me listing the road team as needing to win in most of the games above, but in a lot of the scenarios, if the home team wins, we'll just have to reverse the teams we are rooting for. The Houston victory is the one we need most, and they are playing at home.
If you respond with a comment that says something like, "get real you fool, we're not making the playoffs," then I'll remove your comment because you will have clearly missed the fun and optimistic point of the post.
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Get real you fool, we’re not making the playoffs!
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
HA
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
lol, I knew someone would do that.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
you have to admit, you had it coming.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
lol, I knewsomeonegolan would do that.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
I’m sticking with my 10 win prediction.
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by rufio on Dec 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So, I should root for the Browns to win every week and for the Ravens to lose? I can do that.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
As long as there is a mathematic possibility of the Browns making the playoffs, there is still hope.
by Onyx Lightning on Dec 8, 2010 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So you’re saying there’s a chance…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions 15 recs
You’ll have to excuse my friend, he’s a little slow…the town is back THAT WAY —→
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Did you pay the Gas Bill?” “OH! I forgot!”
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That John Denver’s full of shit, man!
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s as good as money sir, those are IOUs. Go ahead and add it up every cents accounted for. Look, see this that’s a car, 275 thou might want to hang onto that one.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Harry: Petey? You sold my dead bird to a blind kid? Lloyd, wh- he- wha- Petey didn’t even have a head!
Lloyd: Harry, I took care of it.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you guys all suck for making me laugh till i cry at work.
Fooootball has been beary beary good to me.
I take full responsibility for every D&D quote in this thread :)
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hate doing this but…actually its “WE LANDED ON THE MOON!”
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 10, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Chansi Stuckey's Fumble..
The fumble in overtime has really cost this team and their chances. Every player makes mistakes and I am not coming down on him, I am just stating that play hurt. IF the Browns go on to win that game the chances we make the playoffs significantly increases. I think it was still remote that the Browns would have made to the playoffs, but just to be mentioned in a playoff talk after the way this season started, we know we are on the right track. Think about it. The Browns have used 3 new quarterbacks, a new starting half back and new starting tight end. Plus two new starting defensive backs and starting safety. Also starting 1-5 (those early losses to the Chiefs and Bucs hurt ) did not help. I say this team has exceeded a lot of expectations since week 6. NO playoffs this year, but looking forward to 2011 (that is if we have football in 2011)
There are a lot of things that, if they went our way, could have helped us make the playoffs. Personally I think we can move on from the “what ifs” and focus on moving forward, this team is going places afterall.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it is Holmgren´s fault. If he doesn´t dictate to the organization that Colt McCoy will “redshirt” – Colt would have won the starting QB job in September and we would have won the first 2 games through the elimination of stupid QB plays.
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I agree with this (I know – I’m sure this comes as a big surprise to everyone).
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Had me fooled lol. Honestly though I’m not 100% sure he would have won the job. You bring in Delhomme and Wallace for experience at the position only to give the starting job to Colt out of camp. If we knew he would play the way he has I’d say hell yeah he should’ve started since day 1.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, really? The two Texas fans think Colt could have come in and led the team to the playoffs while swimming in the playbook.
No way he would have taken a big sack or two because he didn’t know the playbook or the opposing defense enough to know what was going to happen and get the ball to the right place.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Ok now, easy rufio. I never said anything about Colt sweeping anyone into the playoffs.
I qualified my comment somewhat down below…
At any rate, guilty as charged on being a biased Longhorns fan.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don´t back down – it is a hypothetical argument that cannot be disproved. Stand tall.
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it is a hypothetical argument that cannot be disproved
You wanna here another hypothetical argument? if I was 2 inches taller, I could play in the NBA.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
And was a pretty decent player. How tall was Spud Webb?
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I never said anything about Colt sweeping anyone into the playoffs.
Rufio didn’t say that you did either, but that with colt from Day 1, we would be at least 7-5 and have a better shot at the playoffs.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Humor us – we have had a brutal year!
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Disastrous year. The barn burned down in Texas and the hay went with it.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
And that is why clever ranchers always diversify their hay portfolio.
I am effing hurdling you and you can't stop me.
by JustBob on Dec 8, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, except I should have said “The barn burned down and the hay left town”.
Has more of a ring to it.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 9, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
You’ll rebound. You’re Texas.
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You heard right pardner ;)
(Actually “Don’t mess with Texas” became the theme for an anti-littering campaign to clean up the highways of Texas started back in 1986).
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 9, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Given the way Colt McCoy looked in preseason, you can’t seriously think he would have won the job. He came in as number three and earned nothing.
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by woodsmeister on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is in training and pre-season McCoy really didn’t get much of any reps with the 1st string (since there was no plan for him to see any action this year…). So it seems to me the “the way he looked in pre-season” point is arguably somewhat moot.
I don’t really ‘blame Holmgren’ for anything – probably should have re-phrased by response. However I do think it is valid to question his public declaration (as soon as McCoy was drafted) that McCoy would not see any action the first year at all.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
He didn’t get many reps, and he was playing behind a god-awful line.
That said, he made some terrible plays on his own, like not stepping in to his throw for the INT into the endzone. Or throwing the ball out of bounds with no time left when we were down.
So no, not entirely moot. He’s a rookie, rookies need time, he demonstrated on his own that he isn’t any different because he is “your guy”.
Holmgren did what he did to take the pressure off of Colt and to take the heat off of Delhomme and Seneca and put the fanbase’s confidence behind them. It’s hard enough to play QB in the NFL, it’s got to be a lot harder when your own fans are calling for your head and for your backup.
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I really have no qualms with any of Holmgren’s decisions.
Just saying it was somewhat peculiar to make the declaration that he would see no playing time his first year. That’s all.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Holmgren’s statement about Colt was done to try to eliminate all the second-guessing that has went on in Cleveland for years. Circumstances changed due to injuries. Otherwise I don’t think Colt would have played this year. I am glad things have worked the way they have tho…
by Karen Marie on Dec 11, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t blame this on holmegren at all. Do you really think that if Colt mccoy was superior to Delhomme and Wallace in the preseason and in practice that holmegren would have just ignored it and still “redshirted” mccoy? From what i watched Delhomme had a great preseason and mccoy had a terrible one, not that i’m trying to defend delhomme, i hate him, but it just didn’t make sense to start mccoy off the bat
Over the last decade we have seen several backup QBs come in and play incredible when they had nothing to lose. Later when they were the anointed starter, they sucked. I don’t think Colt will be another one of those, but there is a big difference in the amount of pressure a backup in relief faces vs. The face of the franchise. I’m sure he’ll do fine though when its his time.
by HenryDawg on Dec 8, 2010 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
who knows if he would have been ready to be competent enough to win those 1st to games? this is utter speculation and ridiculous to blame holmgren. i know its Lonhorn homerism, but I truly think those 6-7 weeks of sitting on the bench behind grizzled veterans. Both Seneca and JD started their careers as benchwarmers for at least the first few years, sitting behind a veteran player and learning the tricks of the trade.
Not only do i believe that had Seneca and JD not sat behind such steady veterans as Hasselbeck and Jeff Blake, they would not be as good today, just like if you threw colt out there without getting a chance to sit behind guys who have played for years (total of 16 years on NFL rosters combined)
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Wright’s inability to cover Anquan Boldin cost us more than anything. We need to finish ahead of the Ravens. A victory there and we’re one game back with the Ravens still on our schedule.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wright’s inability to cover
Anquan Boldinanyone cost us more than anything
fixed
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to be rational on the subject of Eric Wright. I don’t like him. It’s all his fault.
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This.
Eric Wright sucks at football.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I do think they should have pulled him earlier, but at that poitn I don’t think they had a ton of confidence in a rookie Haden. he really put them in a bind because they were counting on him to be at least solid, until Haden could adjust to the league.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
i’ll accept this. as long as they don’t put him back.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 11, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100%. It would be utterly moronic to put him back in. Not just because he was doing so poorly when he left, but that his replacement has stepped up and done so well. There would be no explanation I can think of that would be valid for Wright over Haden at this point.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
Ugh.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I just can’t take champion64’s comment. It is ridiculous. There are hundreds of plays we can call out. JD and Seneca’s pick-6s were more devastating and more definitive. But even for those, blaming one play for an entire season is outrageous. But let’s go back to Stuckey and champion64’s assertion. It’s not even correct. Let’s say that Stuckey does not fumble and just goes out of bounds. How do we know Phil makes the 47 yard field goal? How do we know it’s not blocked? How do we know that the Jets D does not sack Colt and get us out of field goal range? or get our runner in the backfield to get us out of range? How do we know Colt does not throw an interception? Or Hillis doesn’t fumble? Blaming Stuckey for that loss entirely is ridiculous in and of itself. But then blaming him for us not having a realistic chance at the playoffs is even more ridiculous? Sorry, I just can’t take these kinds of comments - they annoy the h— out of me.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thats totally understandable. I get where champion is going with that comment but you’re right, that was not the reason we’re 5-7
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
We’re 5-7 because we are what our records says we are. We don’t have to rehash the whole season. We are getting better, but this Browns team isn’t really playoff caliber. A few plays go the other way, sure, a couple Ls turn to Ws but just as easily a couple Ws turn to Ls. Our record is an accurate measure.
by Western Reserve on Dec 9, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
We’re 5-7 because we are what our records says we are
Ah, we let ourselves off the hook.
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by SpecialBrownie on Dec 9, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are we who we thought we were?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 9, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t say we are what our record says we are and then turn around and say that we aren’t playoff caliber.
Because right now our record says we are “in the hunt”.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Fair enough point, I guess. But we are a pretty long shot for a playoff birth. Point is, I just don’t think we are drastically better than our record suggests.
by Western Reserve on Dec 10, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say we are a middle of the pack team, maybe slightly better. I don’t really see the issue though…compared to last year this is huge improvement.
There is no issue. I agree we are much improved and heading in the right direction.
by Western Reserve on Dec 10, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing we can know for sure about how good we are is how we do on Sundays. We’re 5-7 right now, that’s how good we are.
I am with you in thinking that we are not the most talented team out there, and not as talented as most of the teams that will make the playoffs. I’m just saying that doesn’t mean we’re not as good.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Butterfly effect. He could go out of bounds, Dawson’s FG gets blocked, and picked up for a TD.
there are so many things that could happen with just a few plays changing.
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Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I’ve rethought this. It’s all all Peyton Hillis’s fault. You see, our loss in the Jets game is actually Hillis’s, and the Jets game is the reason we are not in the playoff hunt. Hillis fumbled on an early drive and turned it over in that game. If, however, he had not fumbled, we would have went on to score a TD and the game would have never went into overtime. Cut Hillis.
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
And he was hired by Holmgren correct? He’s gone too.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just petition the league to shut down the entire organization. Browns fans and the City of Cleveland were dead wrong in fighting to get a team back. I blame life itself for the team being 5-7.
Thanks a lot, Earth, for ever existing!
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Absolutely. Wright is wrong.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
WRIGHT IS WRONG!
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Joe Haden’s pitch for a starting job lol
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wright is wrong; Poole’s a fool. Haden / Ward 2010. Change you can believe in.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If you combine the names of Haden and Ward, you get “warden”
by Roger Dorn on Dec 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When I combine their names I get Hard.
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 19 recs
“Who’s the warden?”. “you are! You’re my warden!” /Dane Cook
by Legoman0721 on Dec 8, 2010 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HaHaHa! Holy Sh*T
Serious rec.
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by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I blame Braylon Edwards.
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 11, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
6 degrees of Chasni Stuckey…
Somehow I get the feeling if we kept going with this Hitler would have ended up doing some ‘good things.’
by johnnyphoenix on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s easy to point to one play in each game that “lost” us each game (Delhomme’s effective pick 6 against TB, Wallace’s pick 6 against KC, Stuckey’s fumble against NYJ, lack of tackling of Jones-Drew vs JAX on one of the final plays) As much as I’d like to I don’t think it makes sense for us to blame individual plays for our current record, pretty much every game has been close and plays have gone both our way and the opponents way. The Jets had as many opportunities to win as we did, Carolina missed the game winning FG, Bowen’s deflection directly to Mike Adams was fairly lucky. These things tend to even out over the course of the season
But isn’t it great to see where just 1 play lost us the game instead of what we saw up until the last 4 games of last season? You know where you’re thinking “ok, we get a pick six and a miracle bomb and we’re right back in it…”
by JDawg in Cbus on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Too many what ifs from the past in this thread. This post is supposed to be about the what ifs from Week 14 to Week 17.
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Just win ballgames. So glad to be in the “in the hunt” category and not the “which top 5 pick will we have” one.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
is that what you want from this team? What if’s from week 14? what if we win out, and what happens then… Success is what you want, what if’s from week 14 are failures….
Considering where we’ve been and where we are now, yeah I am happy with where we are now.
We look like we are building the right way, we have a plan, we have some promising young players and we are improved in every category from Holmgren down.
So yes, that’s what I want from this team: improvement.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
and if you expect complete turnaround in one year you are almost guaranteeing failure.
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by notthatnoise on Dec 9, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s digress further…“what if” the original Browns had never left Cleveland? Would they have been as successful as the ravens??
What if Elway didn’t throw that pass?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
What if Jordan missed the shot?
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Only female to be elected to the Hall of Fame, thats for damn sure.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
You’re forgetting Bradshaw?
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by golanbatrac on Dec 8, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OHHHH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE…BAHAHAHA
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
What if LeBron went to play for the Browns instead of the Heat? Then we wouldn’t have to draft AJ Green! Speaking of AJ Green, lets hope we lose the rest of our games so we can draft him!!! I think I hit on a few topics that were lacking here
What if Braylon Edwards didn’t suck?
Stuckey watch: 31/30. Haha! I AM SET YOU UP THE BOMB!!!!
by BrownDawg1409 on Dec 11, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
What if General Moses Cleaveland had not been selected as one of the directors of the Connecticut Land Company and subsequently sent out as the company’s agent to map and survey the company’s holdings at the mouth of the Cuyahoga River back in 1796?
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I don’t know if I should rec this or flag it…
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Both. Worst thing that could happen is the post stands, you’re charged with a timeout for challenging with the flag, but you’re still on the right side of history with the rec.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 8, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
the rules clearly state you aren’t allowed to challenge the ruling of a flag. you can challenge the ruling of another call, but flags are irreversible.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
the vikings would have been back eventually. possibly china or japan get here first.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
The Minnesota Samurais?
Nice.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 9, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Vikings predated Columbus by many centuries in Newfoundland. Just not taught in the schools this way.
china pre-dated columbus in america by almost a century.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
that may be true, but the Norse were in on the American continent in the 10th century, four centuries before Columbus.
The thought of actual Vikings playing football intrigues me quite a bit. No rules, no penalties, and spiked clubs.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
Perhaps, but they would have been no match for the early Cuyahoga Valley Indians and their widely feared Lacrosse team.
It was certainly no laughing matter when they wielded their sticks during competition, and you can bet your ass no one dared try to enforce any rules much less assess any penalties. This was further evidenced much later when Oklahoma Choctaw teams eventually began to attach lead weights to their Lacrosse sticks around 1900 to use them as skull-crackers. Of course the game was outright banned after that.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 9, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
china pre-dated columbus in america by almost a century.
Forgive me, but when I went to high school and then college in the 90s, that was considered an out-there theory. Is there actual evidence now that the Chinese actually made it here before Columbus?
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by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
this is actually fairly recent research but is still not 100% accepted by the historical community. There is some evidence that china landed in brazil before Columbus. This research has all been done since 2002 so it is definitely very recent and the research to prove its conclusive I believe is ongoing.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
I don’t know about that, but I do know the very first humans in america game by sea from australia, not over the land bridge during the ice age.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/430944.stm
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
this book is awesome and details much of the case.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
it is pretty interesting, though some historians refute some of what he says.
Its still in the very early stages of becoming verified history, but there is definitely something there,
Independent researchers in Shanghai (independent meaning, not working for the chinese government and not in contact with Menzies) found similar evidence.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
so, like it said, the book is great a details much of the case.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s why I said they would have been back.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Yeah, but….what happens if Stuckey holds onto the ball?!
by Western Reserve on Dec 9, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
What if they hired Marty as GM and Brian as coach? What if we actually took CLAY MATTHEWS as the 1st pick? That would have been the biiizzzomb!
by JDawg in Cbus on Dec 8, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
all i know is, we can beat Buffalo.
they suck.
Who dominates their O-line most this week?
someone make some predictions.
Rogers goes nuts.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Possibly eats Ryan Fitzpatrick’s leg.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Stop giving James Harrison new ideas.
Ye damned whale!
by elsandito on Dec 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
HA! REC! but seriously, don’t give that dirty sumbitch any ideas.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Stuckey's Fumble
Re read it please. I said I am NOT coming down on him. If he holds on the ball you have to like the chance the BROWNS WIN THAT GAME, which now makes them 6-6. It is possible they could go 3-1 in the last 4 which would allow them to think they have a shot at the playoffs even though I still believe they would fall short. I DID NOT SAY IT WAS THE ONLY PLAY THIS SEASON, but it was at a very critical time. It was a crucial play in up to this point in the season because of the situation and timing in the game. YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE BALL. He was fighting for one more yard after he had a first down, it was unfortunate. At 6-6 the playoffs would be much more of a possibility then now at 5-7. Chansi Stuckey’s Fumble hurt and of that there is no debate, that is my comment. I am not blaming the season on him.
Next you will be saying it wasn’t Byner’s fault in 1988.
It wasn’t Byner’s fault in 1988.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
YOU are right it was Webster Slaughter’s fault for not taking Castille to the corner of the end zone, instead of watching the play. Castille was to cover Slaughter and Slaughter was to run him into the corner of the end zone which would have left Byner to score, but in the end Byner is the one who fumbled the ball, LIKE Stuckey
the point is there were a bunch of other plays that game, and in any game for that matter, which could drastically affect the outcome. picking one play just because it happened at the end doesn’t make sense.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Dec 10, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s rerun the playoff scenarios assuming the Jets game was a tie instead.
Because in reality, if the Browns hadn’t passed on 1st down on that last series (Blame Daboll!!!), we could have run out the clock and the Jets would not have had the chance to score that late TD.
run out the clock
Exactly! The browns have been the worst clock managers since…..ever! maybe SF this year is as bad but damn it has been awful. except for when colt is in….hmmmm….bet holmgren notices that!
by JDawg in Cbus on Dec 8, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
That was not a case of poor time management. a loss is as good as a tie.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
Or a tie is as bad as a loss. Either way, I agree.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
quit messing up my critiques with logic!
by JDawg in Cbus on Dec 8, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
actually i wouldn’t blame stuckey for the fumble, fumbles just happen, I am blaming him for not carrying the ball the proper way, if you look closely, he does not have it properly tucked away, hand over the nose of the ball, etc. Fumbles happen, but that is why you carry the ball they way your are supposed to carry the ball, so it isn’t knocked out easily.
Every day may not be good, but there's something good in every day.
I can definitely see blaming him partially for why the fumble happened. He didn’t carry the ball tightly enough.Even if you want to blame stuckey 100% for the fumble, that doesn’t mean you are blaming the loss on him. there are many plays besides that fumble that deserve equal blame for the loss…however its always easy to blame a big play like a turnover, because they stick out in everyones mind.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Intensive Purposes? I could care less...
your whole argument is a fallacy!
to focus on the primaries here …
a. i think it will be VERY hard for the browns to go 4-0 to close out the season. very hard. especially if the ravens need a win in the game in which we play them. and let’s not rule out a mis-step against 2 pretty game cin and buf teams.
i think it is similarly VERY unlikely that the ravens do anything worse than 2-2 in the final four. houston sucks, and the ravens are furious about losing last week. moreover, it’s really hard to beat the same team twice in the same season, especially when you’re bad, which (despite being “game”, as i mentioned above) the bengals are.
that was supposed to be letter b, not bolded
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 8, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I do think at least most of us are aware of these things.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I’m quite content finishing the year 7-9.
by Western Reserve on Dec 9, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be content and disappointed at the same time.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
see, to me that’s a shame. that’s the folly of inflating expectations as you go … if the browns finish 7-9 this year it will be a huge success. period. i bet if i’d told you in august the browns would go 7-9 this year you would have been psyched.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not all that psyched. I wanted improvement from last year. In August, if you came from the future to tell me that we’d definitely go 7-9, I’d have been fairly happy that we were +2 games from last season. I thought, at the time, anything less than 5 would be a disaster.
Now, if you’d have described in full detail everything about this team and every play from every game… then I’d have been psyched.
I really don’t see what’s so wrong with hoping for more as your team goes along. Admittedly, the Browns are better than I thought, also better right now than some might say our record represents. We’ve been improving, and I hope we continue to do so.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I think if we can continue with this pace, we are in the playoffs next year. Probably not a #1 or #2 see, but in the playoffs nonetheless. We have to get another great draft/FA similar to this year though.
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
I would be content as well, I had predicted we’d go 8-8, obviously switching the Patriots/Saints game for the Chiefs and Bucs and I thought we’d be Jacksonville and sweep the Bengals. We’ll see, I think the important part is roster evaluation and seeing some promise out of our young players. Obviously it’d be nice to have won some of the games we lost at the beginning of the year, but i think you have to also remember your expectations and goals that you set at the beginning of the season. I don’t personally know what these were within the organization.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
hells yeah!
playoff bound!! woof!! woof!!!
Bottom line, beat the Bills. Hope the Texans (as a home underdog on Monday Night) pull one out of the fire. THEN you speculate.
by cheech99 on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So as happy as I am that we are still alive for the playoffs this late into the season, I am saddened to realize that San Diego is just as much of a threat to our VERY slim chances as the Ravens are. Even if the Chargers lose this weekend, they have a game at home against San Fran, then at Cincinatti and at Denver. Anybody not see them going 3-0 in that span? The worst I can see them finishing is 9-7, and according to the ESPN Playoff Machine, this would beat our 9-7. One can always hope though.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
The espn machine was built to keep fans of good teams in high hopes, and leave the underdogs in high hopes. I think it’s working…
Oh, it’s working alright. It just seems like much of the focus is on the Ravens since we play them and we at least have a little bit of control, but we could go 4-0 and the Ravens 1-3, but still miss the playoffs. This was what I was trying to get at.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
4 games to go. If we go undefeated in the final phase, we are 9-7.
Our opponents:
week 14: Buffalo Bills
week 15: Cincinnati Bengals
week 16: Baltimore Ravens
week 17: Pittsburgh Steelers
Wow, what a climax possibility if we win game for game. Beat a smash mouth team in Buffalo, chances: good. Beat the supposedly more comparable Bengals. Chances: In reality: slim. In the adapted reality of the NFL: possible. Beat the Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh Steelers. The way guys do odds around here, slanting the unlikely in their favor: possible.
Soooo. A lot of ifs and buts there. If you want mooncamping´s opinion, do we deserve to win with only behemoth linebackers and miniature cover corners, and a run your own negatives over positives optimization. No. But since you´re in charge, it might be doable, overall I must say we´ve done the work, and we have the personnel.
It´s one and out. And I think, we´re apt to end it for ourselves next weekend, because you all will initiate the annual spoiler mode. Well, whatever, I think it´s possible, so if you feed off football excitement for the holidays, I say go for it.
I hate to look even further ahead, but if we do win these next 4 games to get into the playoffs… we have to be looking pretty good right? We’d have a huge surge of momentum going (a 6 game winning streak) and likely be up against Kansas City (who we could beat) and then New England or the Jets (who we did beat, and we should have beat)…
One game at a time here for sure, but this has limitless potential.
Also another interesting scenario, say we do win the next 3 and it’s down to the Pittsburgh game. Say at this point they have their spot locked up, whether it’s first round bye or homefield whatever. Say the Steelers have nothing to gain from beating us.
Will they play us weak? Rest their starters, etc? Will the Browns-Steelers rivalry prevent them from doing that?
After what happened to us back in ‘07 it’d be nice to be on the other end of the equation.
Hell no they won’t rest their starters. That’s not how the Steelers roll. They will do everything they can to keep the Browns out of the playoffs by beating us in our house.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
totally disagree. if the steelers have nothing to play for, they’ll rest the key guys in week 17. no question in my mind.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
“So, we wrapped up the AFC North, and Ben’s foot is still broken, along with his nose… wanna pull him?” “F*CK NO!”
Idk, that is legitimate Steeler logic right there.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 9, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
maybe it’s legit steeler FAN logic, but it ain’t legit mike tomlin logic. that’s a smart dude right there, much as i hate to admit it.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree if his pressers are any indication of his intelligence.
ROHC THE SOHC.
by SpecialBrownie on Dec 9, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one … but i’d lean more on his success on the field as an indicator of his football intelligence.
by DontCallMeJoey on Dec 9, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
His pressers are about attitude. He’s promoting the Steelers attitude, it doesn’t mean he has to think that way or always make decisions that way. He/the organization knows that’s what they fans expect so that’s what they give them.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
He’s promoting the Steelers attitude
What is this “Steelers attitude” exactly? I’m thinking: “a**hole.”
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I think it’s fairly obvious.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
True, I just took the opportunity to call the Steelers a-holes.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
Hit hard. Doesn’t matter if it’s legal. Doesn’t matter if you injure the other team – better then than us. Cross the line slightly every chance you get and dare the referee to call the penalty. That includes the line of scrimmage. If you get away with it, cross the line continually and by greater measures until they call a penalty and then bitch and moan that the referees and the world are against you.
That’s the Steelers attitude. It’s worked for them for years.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
You see Harrison whining again?
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
It’s not just Harrison. They have had a boatload of guys who have played that way over the years. Joey Porter was a punk when he played for Pittsburgh (well, still is). Hines Ward is a classic cheap shot artist who sincerely believes that he is actually playing the game the right way while he’s blindsiding defenders with head shots after the play is over. They have a culture of thuggery and pushing the limits and until the NFL calls them on it consistently it’s not going to change. What the NFL is doing now is a good start, but until they have every officiating crew on the same page as to what is a penalty and what is not, the Steelers’ culture of thuggery and cheating is not going to change.
"If Brown is the answer, then you’re asking the wrong question." - Ryan
by woodsmeister on Dec 10, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah I know that, i was just talking about him saying the Ravens were targeting him in the game
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
playoffs on the line or not, I would LOVE to see one of our guys target harrison next time we play.
by discoinferno083 on Dec 11, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Rats! I thought about this while I was in the shower and was SO EXCITED to share, but you beat me to it… Only by a couple of hours, too :p
I think it’s possible. I could see them resting people because they are significantly banged up already and I’m thinking they’ll have just enough (if that) healthy starters to make a run deep into the playoff game. No need to risk losing more in a very physical Pittsburgh/Cleveland game.
And contrary to what woodsmeister said, I think the way the Steelers would rather roll is to the Super Bowl. I know we’re bitter rivals, but if I have the choice between beating my bitter rival or beating the Super Bowl runner-up then I’m going with the one that puts another ring on my finger.
I’m with woods. There’s no way they would rest anyone if our playoff hopes came down to that game.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 9, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
yep. Not to mention, letting a team into the playoffs with the potential to have to face them there could really bite them in the ass.
Nothing Peyton Manning and the Colts don’t do every other year.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
As Moon point out, we are in “one-and-done” mode now; in other words, we are playing playoff football now (and have been playing “playoff football” for the past two weeks). I’m glad to say that since we still have a shot, this team can show everyone what they are made of; buck up and play like there’s no tomorrow. Prove the playoff mettle in the here-and-now, and be rewarded very soon.
All of these opportunities are ideal tests for the players as we build a championship calibre team.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Dec 9, 2010 9:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We’re just not a playoff calibre team at the moment.
Next your could be very interesting though if we hit on our high draft picks: DL/LB/WR can contribute fairly quickly.
Welcome Joe!
Go Seneca!
Kettle, meet pot. Pot, meet kettle… ;-)
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by Spidey on Dec 9, 2010 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
These next 4 games are what will make this team “playoff calibre”… Sure, we need to see a couple more pieces in place, but we has need a core foundation and proven performance in these types of games. Last year’s 4-game winning streak was a situation of playing out the string. These next 4 games reflect something more than that. If we finish strong, it will be hard to find a decent football writer not including the Browns in any list of playoff contenders next season.
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by Spidey on Dec 9, 2010 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Last year’s 4-game winning streak was a situation of playing out the string.
I didn’t think playing out the string and 4-game winning steak went together.
One of the Fins players said he was in complete shock because he thought they were going to crush the Browns. That is just bad coaching if that is the case.
Winning steak is always good.
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by Andrew Tolliver on Dec 9, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it will be hard to find a decent football writer not including the Browns in any list of playoff contenders next season
Just like before the 2008 season. That sure worked out well.
"There are a lot of Steelers fans around the city so I hope people go to work and kick those Steelers fans.’’ - Josh Cribbs.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Dec 9, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sure did. Those were good times.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Dec 9, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sword Fight!
Dawgs by Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
by golanbatrac on Dec 9, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m surprised no one posted this link yet (unless I missed it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk&feature=related
In all seriousness, I’m glad it’s December and we are still in the running mathematically. This team has really improved compared to previous years when it was a nice circus act.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
In the other playoff thread there are a few references to it.
Anderception [an·der·cep·tion] -noun
1. the logical end result of a Derek Anderson pass
I must have missed it….I’ve been busy lately..need to catch up on my DBN reading.
There's a new sheriff in town, his name's McCoy
by da36chamberz on Dec 9, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWqQypkYmfY&feature=related
"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." -- Joe Haden
If the browns win out having beat the ravens steelers saints and patriots on a 6 game winning streak and ended the season 8-2 they have to be considered to at least win one game. Their losses came against respectable Tampa Bay and Kansas City (When we weren’t in full swing) Baltimore which is a good team Atlanta who will probably win the NFC and close losses to great and good teams in NYJ and the jaguars and a loss in a rookies first game against a great Pittspuke D. If Browns make it they would probably play Kansas City who they could beat and then the Patriots who they have beat. If they make it the Browns could do some damage.
If the Browns win out
having beaten the Steelers, Saints, Patriots, Ravens and VERY nearly the Jets
(plus the points made by Luke C above in his second sentence)…
Frankly I won’t shed a tear if they don’t happen to make the playoffs.
They will be hands down the best 9-7 team in the NFL, everyone will know it, and we’ll be hearing about them in every football discussion and broadcast from January til September of 2011.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." -- Vince Lombardi
by burntorangeandbrown on Dec 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
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