The Source of the Quinn-for-Marshall Rumor
by Chris Pokorny on Feb 1, 2010 11:34 AM EST
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Depending on how often you surf the Internet, you might have seen "rumors" gaining traction again that the Cleveland Browns and the Denver Broncos are discussing trade possibilities, namely one that would send QB Brady Quinn to Denver for WR Brandon Marshall. Most of the websites reporting this information cite the Denver Post as the source of the rumor.
This is the only mention of Quinn from that Denver Post article:
Because Marshall is a restricted free agent, the Broncos are expected to go through the exercise of tendering him a contract. But that tender will only serve as a mechanism to execute a deal with another club. Baltimore, Miami, Seattle, Chicago, Cleveland (how about Marshall for Brady Quinn?) and maybe the New York Jets are among the teams that may benefit most from acquiring a top-shelf receiver.
If someone finds another, more "concrete" source of the rumor, please let me know. As far as I can tell though, the above paragraph seems like nothing more than author Mike Kils offering his take on teams that would be in need of a receiver. That's not to say the deal won't happen in the future; I just don't see anything specific that should even constitute this as a "buzzing" rumor all of a sudden.
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didn’t we just trade away two head cases in K2 and Stone Hands from Ann Arbor?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Feb 1, 2010 11:50 AM EST reply actions
I might be willing to give this headcase a shot if he can run routes and catch the ball when thrown his way. We need playmakers and this kid is definitely one of those players.
by BornInThePound on Feb 1, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
K2 meets your requirements but we got rid of him anyway (for decent value). So I don’t think Mangini would want him - maybe Homgren/Heckert will have a different attitude, however.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we traded Winslow because he was a headcase, I think we traded him because we didn’t want to give him the huge contract extension that he wanted (and eventually got from Tampa).
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 1, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Removing K2 was more about getting value for a rapidly declining product, IMO. Braylon was just a jackass.
Injuries. a product declines in value when it becomes less reliable. K2 became like a very old car with fairly low milage and a recent tuneup. would usually perform well, but the health and ability to work is questionable.
K2 had a lot of mileage on him from all those surgeries and injuries. he never truly was the same after the motorcycle accident. even in his last season with the browns he couldn’t stay on the field consistently. he was tough, i will give him that, but he just couldn’t stay healthy.
he wasn’t great but he wasn’t awful. keep in mind though the awful QB play in tampa.
at the same time, he missed 2 starts. he has only started all 16 games once in his career. he is very good when healthy but that is the problem.
that said, the stuff he does besides catch are awful. he is a headcase, he improvises routes too much, and he has perfected the ‘ole!’ block (imagine he is a matador and the defensive player is a bull)
He was 6th TE in the league in receiving, with 47 first downs and 5 touchdowns… all with a carousel of bad QBs throughout the year.
That’s not awful.
Combination of medical and contract…remember he inked Drew Rosenhaus as his agent. Asshole player/asshole agent means he was gonna try and take us to the bank/hold out or be outta here. He really wasn’t too much of a behavior problem so much..aside from the motorcycle thing…but he was an immature asshole.
His dad is an asshole too, actually…so I suppose I understand. K2 will never be K1, though.
Good player, but never going to achieve the potential he could have and will probably also have his career be a lot shorter then expected, too.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Feb 1, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Winslow had made it clear that he wanted the Browns to redo his contract, too. That was not going to go well with Rosenhaus.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Feb 1, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I somewhat disagree.
K2 would not always run the routes assigned to him. he freelanced a lot and although he had good hands, he still didn’t run the sort of great routes marshall does.
What do you mean that he freelanced a lot? I know he’s a shitty blocker, but the guy found ways to get open (freelance?) and caught the ball. He was very good at finding the soft spot in a zone or eluding his man to get open. I guess you could call that freelancing, I’d say it’s being a good reciever.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess you could call that freelancing, I’d say it’s being a good reciever.
He was a good receiver…but not worth the effort or money he wanted the Browns to give him.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree completely. However, it seems to me that bross was saying he wasn’t a good reciever, and I disagree with that.
by Legoman0721 on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree. he couldn’t always find a soft spot in a zone.
what I mean by freelancing is he would get the play and decide to run a different pattern. he had great hands but many of the passes thrown to him that weren’t caught were a result of this. he did this a lot more later on (a lot more his last year here).
I don’t think its being a good receiver to decide to change a route and not notify your QB.
Again, prove any of this. I’ll be waiting. Tell me every time he did it that you know he didn’t have an option route or that he wasn’t coached to adjust his route based on the defense, or how he did it incorrectly. And tell me what route he was supposed to run within the concept.
I don’t have any proof that he wasn’t running option routes every time…I doubt though that he ran that many option routes.
Prove it.
The Croyell system is so vertically based, I have a hard time believing he wasn’t running option routes/read routes.
Like I said I cannot prove it.
what Is the point though of saying prove it when I said I can’t prove it. you have already made your point, and now it seems like you are just trying to be a jerk. If not, then I am sorry.
Like I said several times already, I do not have any direct proof of this.
It is funny how you are now on the side of defending K2.
The overwhelming evidence was that K2 was an amazing receiver. The overwhelming evidence is that he ran a ton of option/read routes.
Your wild speculation is the only thing that is jerk-like.
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Is there actual evidence he ran a ton of option routes?? I have never seen this. If I see it I will believe it.
I said I had a hard time believing he didn’t run option routes. Not that he definitely ran option routes.
They are used in so many types of offenses in so many types of situations, it would be almost impossible to believe that K2 didn’t run any option routes with the Browns.
I know for sure that Martz uses route-adjustments. Considering both he and Chud can be traced to the Don Coryell coaching tree, and the inbreeding/copycat-ness of the NFL, I would be incredibly surprised if K2 never was coached to make adjustments on routes.
YOU claimed K2 freelanced, which assumes knowledge of the play/concept that was being run, the coaching points that go with that play/concept, and how K2 deliberately ignored them. Considering the fact that so many players are coached to run away from coverage leads me to question your statement, which you originally posited as fact.
I see stating such things as though they were fact as a problem. Why don’t you?
yeah this seems a bit unfair. I have no idea whether or not winslow was running option routes, but you can’t demand evidence that he wasn’t and then claim he was without offering any evidence of your own.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
I think the point was that bross made the initial statement.
It’s not legit to make a false statement (not saying that bross did) without any evidence and then when asked for evidence demand evidence against it.
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Right. If you’re going to make a statement then you need evidence to back it up. You can’t expect other people to provide evidence against it to disprove your statement, as you said.
this isn’t a case of proving a negative though. I don’t see how ryan’s assertion “he ran a ton of option/read routes” is any different than bross’s original assertion. if you require proof of one you have to require proof of the other.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
Ryan’s comment came much later, though, after bross had made his assertion many times. So I don’t really see how that is relevant to bross making a statement without any proof to back it up. rufio was the first one to ask him to back up his statement (and he knows much more about our offensive system than me or most people so if he says something about which routes they run then I believe him until I see proof that he’s wrong).
but I never asserted my statement as a fact number 1.
by that point I had already admitted multiple times that I had no direct proof (except really my observations). so then ryan makes an opposite statement that is similar and no proof is demanded.
that is the textbook definition of a double standard.
I somewhat disagree.
K2 would not always run the routes assigned to him. he freelanced a lot and although he had good hands, he still didn’t run the sort of great routes marshall does.
what I mean by freelancing is he would get the play and decide to run a different pattern. he had great hands but many of the passes thrown to him that weren’t caught were a result of this. he did this a lot more later on (a lot more his last year here).
I don’t think its being a good receiver to decide to change a route and not notify your QB.
I don’t have any proof that he wasn’t running option routes every time…I doubt though that he ran that many option routes.
At which point rufio asked you to prove it again, in response to you stating again that you doubted he ran many option routes, at which point you said this
Like I said I cannot prove it.
what Is the point though of saying prove it when I said I can’t prove it. you have already made your point, and now it seems like you are just trying to be a jerk. If not, then I am sorry.
The point being, you are still being asked to prove it because you keep stating it.
If someone were to state that you made stuff up, they would be expected to prove it. If however they said well I don’t have proof but I doubt what you are saying is not made up.
Well you see the problem there. Just because the threads get long, does not mean that people forget what has been said and when. If you’re going to make such a definitive statement on something you can’t get all defensive when asked to show evidence when you can’t.
You made your statement as if you knew what you were talking about when in actuality it was your opinion and you still haven’t stated what that opinion was based on.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
maybe my wording was bad but I never meant for it to be a fact. it was a casual observation I made. I have already said what it was based off of.
I really did not get defensive. when I didn’t have any proof I admitted that. then ryan comes along and says something similar (that he was changing routes but they were option routes) but he has as much proof as I do.
It wasn’t “bad wording”, you stated something as fact when it wasn’t. Then you proceeded to get defensive by saying I was acting like a jerk.
I never meant to state it as a fact. I meant it as an opinion honestly.
I admitted several times I didn’t have any proof and then you still kept demanding for it after I said I didn’t have it and that is when I used the word jerk. I should not have used it and I just want to end this whole conversation honestly.
so if i make a claim late in a thread i don’t need to back it up?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Feb 3, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, Ryan’s claim also appears to be baseless. However, I’m pretty sure he was reacting out of frustration with you, so I’m cutting him a break on that. You don’t have an excuse.
Frustration was certainly a part of it.
Also, I believe that my point is a more widely accepted one. And that is the whole point. Bross’s claim was made first and went against want most careful football observers and fans thought to be true. If you are going to do it, you need to come with some ammo. Some evidence. Some logic.
My logic the entire time:
1. Air Coryell system uses option routes often, especially with slot WRs and TEs. In fact, almost all NFL teams do.
2. We ran a variation of the Air Coryell system during the time in question. We were an NFL team.
3. Kellen Winslow was used as a slot WR/TE.
4. Therefore, Kellen Winslow almost certainly ran many option routes as a Brown.
Finally, I don’t know what the heck freelancing is, and by bross’s definition, I’ve never heard of any NFL player doing it. Has anyone?
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No. It wouldn’t make sense to “freelance” because even if you are running every route out of greed, you would probably want the QB to know where you were going in order to get the ball.
You would also probably be destroying any horizontal/vertical stretches created for you, and thus actually making it easier for the D to cover you.
Doesn’t make sense at all. It would make a lot more sense for a defender to do.
RK’s claim was stated as fact although it was actually an assumption based on logic: there is evidence to support it, despite the fact that no one outside of the Browns could actually prove it.
Bross’ claim was stated as fact despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that he later amended to be an unlikely guess based on things he may or may not have witnessed over one year ago.
The logical conclusion would be that he had to have made some route adjustments while he was with us.
Saying he didn’t is like saying the Browns will not run the post route ever.
I don’t have a screen shot of anyone in a Browns uniform running a post, but I would be incredibly surprised to learn we never ever used them and they weren’t in our playbooks.
my statement was more opinion than fact. I never asserted it as a fact, but it was just an observation I made from what I saw….
I am not saying what I said is correct or incorrect, but saying mine is incorrect and saying it is the other way without giving evidence really doesn’t work either.
the point is, we probably don’t know for certain
Are you kidding me?
he improvises routes too much,
K2 would not always run the routes assigned to him. he freelanced a lot
what I mean by freelancing is he would get the play and decide to run a different pattern. he had great hands but many of the passes thrown to him that weren’t caught were a result of this.
How is any of that not saying K2 improvised as though it were fact? Those are not well-evidenced opinions. Those are not even opinions.
bross, you need to remember that your statements you make are right here in print where everyone can see them. So it’s not wise to say something then later one claim that you didn’t say it, because people can easily find evidence that you did. You do this all the time and it’s very annoying.
You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in to this hole. Just stop already. You need to learn when to just give up instead of getting defensive all the time and changing your story.
you know what. I worded it badly. I never meant for it to be worded as a fact. I regret saying all of this and honestly, I want this conversation to end as much as you do.
Bross, if you’d just qualify statements that you can’t concretely prove as fact, you’d get less resistance.
“He improvises routes too much” just begs someone to challenge you. “It looks to me like he improvises routes too much” is a statement of opinion and much more of a nice conversation starter.
None of my business probably, but I’d like to see these unneeded back and forths end if possible. Just my two cents.
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Feb 4, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
It is not unfair at all. bross has repeated several times, as fact and as opinion that Kellen Winslow didn’t run many option routes. That goes against the widely accepted and well-stated (by rufio, above) thinking that TEs in the Air Croyell system run a lot of option routes generally, and that Winslow ran a lot of option routes in his time in Cleveland.
Also, while clear proof of such a thing is difficult to find, I am telling you as a careful observer of the Browns’ offense that Winslow ran option routes on a bunch- if not majority- of the plays where he went out on a pass. rufio, another respected and keen observer, has said the same.
I’m fine with someone challenging these nearly-established beliefs. But if that person is going to do so, he’ll have to do better than talking about a guy freelancing routes (something nearly impossible in the NFL), providing no proof, and then, when multiple commenters call him out, repeat their position and say others are jerks.
And like VillesIgr mentions- bross made the initial statement. Honestly, has anyone ever heard of Winslow “freelancing” before? Or any receiver doing that in the NFL, for that matter? If so, please provide the proof. If you are going to go against the norm, the burden is on you to show why you shouldn’t be laughed out of the room.
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false. I never repeated it as a fact. I also by that point had admitted I had not specific proof other than my observations. I had admitted this twice and was still being asked for proof.
I don’t know if anyone (besides maybe rufio) has concrete proof either way. all we have are our opinions, our observations, and our guesses. no proof.
Actually, people can know what types of routes the Browns’ offense usually runs by watching the games, listening to the coaches speak, reading about the team, etc. Especially if that person is well-versed in the terminology of football.
You, on the other hand, could not possibly have any knowledge of how often Winslow “freelanced” his routes, if he did at all, unless you heard it mentioned by one of his coaches or another player, or if you knew what route he was supposed to run on all of his plays. And I highly doubt any of those are true.
You can’t just randomly make up something out of nowhere and not expect people to get on your case about it. And you can’t just say “we all have our own opinions and nobody really knows what is true” as a defense for your statements.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 3, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
whoa now, you can’t possibly know whether or not a player was running an option route on a given play. the only way you could know that is…
you heard it mentioned by one of his coaches or another player, or if you knew what route he was supposed to run on all of his plays. And I highly doubt any of those are true.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Feb 3, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, I can’t. But, as I said above (why do I always have to repeat myself to you), we can know if the Browns’ offense runs a lot of options routes or not so we can guess how often a game they might run them. Not me, specifically, but people who know more about football than me can.
Why are you so intent on defending him for making a completely indefensible statement which he just pulled out of his rear? Can people just start saying whatever they want now and nobody is allowed to call them on it?
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 3, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
You can recognize route combinations that usually turn in to concepts to stretch defenders. You can know what the route concept is and how it is coached by a number of coaching schools. You can know that receivers are often coached to adjust routes, even at the high school level. You can know what coaching school the Browns’ OCs came from and you can try to put 2 and 2 together.
That’s an educated guess.
Forget for a moment that RK said K2 definitely ran option routes. How do you know he freelanced?
Right. There is a big difference between knowing that the Browns offense often runs options routes (using the reasons given above) and knowing that on a specific play which route Winslow was supposed to run and seeing that he didn’t do that.
I didn’t say above that we would know if Winslow was supposed to run an option route on a particular play, only that it’s possible to know if the Browns offense was designed for him to run options routes frequently. But NTN, as usual, either misunderstood what I was saying or deliberately turned around my words in order to criticize me for something.
if its such an established norm shouldn’t it be easy to point to the evidence?
I agree that winslow probably ran a lot of option routes, and that bross is probably wrong. but this is a double standard.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Feb 3, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Rufio’s comment
Prove it.
The Croyell system is so vertically based, I have a hard time believing he wasn’t running option routes/read routes.
Bross initially called Winslow a freelancer, when confronted with the fact that maybe winslow was running option routes, he stated that doubted winslow ran many option routes.
So instead of backing up his claim that winslow was a freelancer when faced with the alternative (that winslow was running option routes) he then stated that he doubted winslow was running many option routes. When asked to prove this statement he said he couldn’t and got mad he was being asked to prove his statement.
Really I could care less one way or the other, but it gets annoying having discussions interrupted to deal with arguments that start with a statement that bross can’t prove and when challenged he gets defensive and says he can’t or says i agree but. Then it just becomes this long drawn out semantic argument and the original point of the thread gets lost in 50 responses that could have been avoided.
Obviously I added to this but damn, this is annoying. As i’m not the thread police i’ll stop now, hopefully this gets resolved. If not, well life goes on.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I am honestly annoyed too. I agree with you. even though I made a not smart assertion from the beginning, I was ready to let it go but then I was getting a barrage from all 5 divisions.
Then just admit you made an incorrect/unprovable statement and quit trying to change what you said or explain to us how what you said really wasn’t what you said and dragging it out for this long.
This.
bross, if you were ready to let it go then why didn’t you? The only reason people kept responding to you is because you kept responding right back. If you would have just said “I was wrong and I shouldn’t have said that” then people wouldn’t have said anything. And if they did . . . who cares! Let it go. The reason you are getting so many responses is because you’re changing your words around and denying that you said something which you clearly did.
The reason we’re making such a big deal about this is because you do this all the time and this is how we get these huge discussions about nothing that nobody wants to read. This has happened on LGT a few times as well as here and you need to stop it. I know other people are responding to you, but if you would just let it go then they wouldn’t have anything to respond to, would they?
Can’t. Help myself. Must. have. last word.
by Roger Dorn on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No you are absolutely correct. All I can do is point to all of the evidence pointing toward K2 having been coached to adjust routes. I don’t think I could definitively, 100% prove it because that would involve proving what he was coached to do, which I can’t do.
That’s why I said I have a hard time believing he was never coached to make route adjustments, not that he made them (although that would be damn near impossible).
I think it would be similarly impossible to prove K2 never accidentally ran the wrong route, something that would also count toward the unprove-ibility of Bross’ original statement.
If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...
by SpecialBrownie on Feb 3, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
“Look. Just tell him you had sex with his wife. That’ll get him.”
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
While I agree claims should be substantiated, is there a way to know definitely either way, or is it more a matter of educated guess, casual observation, etc.?
by Western Reserve on Feb 3, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
K2 would not always run the routes assigned to him. he freelanced a lot and although he had good hands, he still didn’t run the sort of great routes marshall does.
How do you have any proof of any of this?
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 2, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
I do not have the browns playbook nor do I have all kinds of tape on K2. I did read somewhere in an article a year or two ago that he had a habit of doing that.
I read somewhere that reading causes cancer in California. Go figure.
If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...
by SpecialBrownie on Feb 3, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
I read somewhere that Joe Thomas allowed a sack.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland (how about Marshall for Brady Quinn?)
The fact that a Denver writer would say that, may mean Quinn has more value around the league than we thought. Which is mind boggling.
Yea, ignoring headcase issues, a straight up swap of Quinn and Marshall would be a huge fleecing for Holmgren/Heckert.
Can you really see a straight trade of those two happening?
I can’t imagine Denver doing it unless they really don’t want Marshall back.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 1, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Right. I can’t imagine the Broncos would give up Marshall for only Quinn, and I’d do that in a second even with Marshall’s problems. Our offense is badly in need of playmakers and this guy can make plays. Of course, we’d need to find a QB to get him the ball as well.
But, I don’t really see any chance of this happening.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 1, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
This issue is similar to the fan post made almost a month ago about acquiring Marshall for Cribbs. The general consensus from the previous posting is that many of the fans in Cleveland do NOT want Marshall on the Browns. Bringing Marshall into our clubhouse would be destructive and counter productive to the team attitude Mangini is building in Cleveland. Why would Cleveland bring in another athlete like Edwards or Winslow when we have demonstrated by our actions that we do not tolerate players with egotistical persona’s on our team. I personally dismiss this as rumor and hope Marshall never makes it to the north shores of Ohio.
agreed. Just an idle rumor, this one . ..
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Feb 1, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, it doesn’t matter what Browns fans want. I don’t really think Marshall is egotistical; he got in trouble with the law but that was off-the-field stuff which had nothing to do with football.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 1, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point was that “off-the-field stuff which [has] nothing to do with football” can still have an effect on a player’s performance or lack thereof, via suspension or otherwise, a la Donte Stallworth.
But, of course, if the story was truly fabricated and is genuinely a non-issue, then it’s obviously all irrelevant.
by Western Reserve on Feb 1, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Right, I understand that. But he wasn’t making that point; he was saying that Marshall was egotistical and would be a problem in the locker room, and that’s a completely seperate issue from getting himself suspended and missing time for off-the-field stuff.
Also, as you said, we don’t even know how much of what has been reported is actually true.
this is his post:
ask Donte’ Stallworth how that works
tell me how that post says:
Marshall was egotistical and would be a problem in the locker room
I would also argue that whether or not its true, if people in the locker room think he beat his girlfriend, that could be disastrous.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
I believe Marshall is innocent. I do not believe his character is a non-issue. He does not have a consistently good attitude, regardless of what crimes he has or has not committed.
I frankly don’t know much about him in that regard, but if that’s the case, sounds like he wouldn’t be a good fit in Cleveland with what Mangini is trying to do.
by Western Reserve on Feb 2, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Denver must really hate Marshall and QB Kyle Orton.
They must hate Marshall because they would trade him straight up for Quinn.
They must hate Orton because they want Quinn.
Too bad there is no way that the Browns would want another diva at WR so the Denver Post can suffer because Cleveland is not calling the Broncos for a trade.
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Forget it...
This is complete media drivel, said in passing by a sports columnist….
Let’s assume for a second that we have an uncapped ’10. The Broncos will place the high-tender on Marshall(1st and 3rd) and see who calls. Now, if Josh Cribbs name came up in a conversation, that is a good starting point.
……..
For those saying, “No Way!”, that is how Broncos fans feel about a Quinn-for-Marshall swap of any kind….
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The tender is merely to prevent Marshall from leaving without any compensation. I doubt that any team would sign Marshall once the tender has been placed on him. The more likely course of action would be to place the highest tender on him and then find a team to negotiate a trade with while dropping the tender. Such is done with the franchise tag frequently. For example, the Packers used the franchise tag on Corey Williams, but agreed to trade him to the Browns for merely a 2nd rounder (substantially less than what the franchise tag requires.)
That said, I agree this is drivel, and that there is no way we would get Marshall for Quinn in a straight up swap, but I also think there is no chance in heck you get a 1st and 3rd for Marshall.
Exactly right...
That’s why I said “The Broncos will place the high-tender on Marshall(1st and 3rd) and see who calls.” The Patriots did the same thing with Wes Welker. When the Dolphins heard the Patriots were looking to sign him to a huge deal, they worked out a trade which allowed the Pats to get Welker and save some dough.
The fact is, no one – the Broncos or Marshall – really know what the possibilities are until the labor situation for 2010 is completely resolved.
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…and maybe the New York Jets are among the teams that may benefit most from acquiring a top-shelf receiver.
Was this statement lost on anybody else? I thought the Jets were set with a top-shelf receiver.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Feb 1, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Marshall rented out the bungalow behind Cowher’s pool in Strongsville.
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
Not even close
Ya, nothing concrete about this rumor at all. The only positive thing Mangini had to his credit this year was that he got rid of the trash. He’s not going to bring more trash in….(poor Denver just hoping and wishing they will get something for their washed up trouble-making receiver)
Mangini has done more than "just get rid of the trash". He added some good talent through FA and the draft. Plus he was able to get the running going towards the end there.
Marshall is FAR from being a "washed up" player. He’s only been in the league for a few years and is only going to get better.
What do you mean that Denver only wishes that they could get something for him? I’d give up smoking, drinking, half my left nut, Quinn, and a 3rd for a receiver of that caliber on our team.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 2, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I exaggerated a little with the drinking and smoking.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 2, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’d give up a pack of smokes for Quinn…
"I don’t dance too much." --Mike Holmgren
by johnnyphoenix on Feb 2, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
A pack of smokes cost a lot back there, right?
We’re almost at $5 here in Cali.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 4, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Are you changing your dream from having a team full of full backs to a team of Brandons?
by Chief WaDrew on Feb 2, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
The Brandons would be back ups.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Feb 2, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Brandon Lloyd would back up Massaquoi, Furrey, Robiskie, and Cribbs. He is terrible, and has never given consistent effort.
Maybe he sucks as an all-rounder. But he can jump and catch.
Viz:
and:
and:
and, preventing him from jumping:
Would you still want Robiskie?
Don’t remind me about inconsistent jumpers…..
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Feb 4, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I am going to be honest, I actually debated if the Browns would try and go for Brandon Marshall in an earlier post, If Mangini Keeps His Job. I never put much stock into it because of the attitude surrounding Marshall, I wasn’t sure if Mangini would want that. But now i think that he has shown that he can be a team player and try to get somewhere new.
Except he got suspended again.
Also on Wikipedia (i know, i know) there’s a post quoting McDaniels saying that they are close to an extension. No source is cited and i couldn’t find anyone else making this claim. Has anyone else heard anything on this?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Yeah while trying to get a new contract
That was why he was on his best behavior. Once he saw he was not going to get it he reverted to type. The guy is trouble.
Anyone think Quinn won’t be an all-pro if he’s traded to Denver?
Troy smith throwing to Marshall, Mass, and robo could be really good
by HenryDawg on Feb 2, 2010 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Somebody other than DA throwing to Marshall, Mass and robo could be really good
there, now its really fixed
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Feb 2, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
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