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Eagles fan here... I'm hoping that you can all take a minute to humor me for a minute.  In case you're unaware, the Philadelphia Eagles have a logjam at the QB position with what a lot of people think are 3 potential starters in Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Michael Vick.  There's a rather large debate among Eagles fans on which ones to keep, and which ones to trade.  I'm a big McNabb fan, and still think he's among the best QB's in the NFL, however, I'm firmly in the "Keep Kevin Kolb, Trade McNabb Camp."  Anyway, the reason I'm here is because there is speculation that the teams that may be interested in McNabb include Minnesota, Arizona, Buffalo, Denver, Carolina, St. Louis, and of course your Cleveland Browns.

I'm planning on doing a piece on the Eagles' site regarding what fans of the above-mentioned teams think about McNabb, and if they'd be willing to part with high draft picks to get him.  The Browns are an intriguing possibility for either McNabb or Kolb, since former Eagles GM Tom Heckert took over as GM for the Browns, and Andy Reid is a former disciple and walrus lookalike of Browns president Mike Holmgren.

You're the Browns' GM - The Eagles have just offered you a take-it-or-leave-it offer of McNabb for your 2nd round pick (38th overall) and the late 3rd rounder you acquired from the Jets (93rd overall).  Please vote on the proposed offer below, and add any comments you might have...

I've also decided not to include my reasoning for preferring Kolb over McNabb so as not to cloud your judgment...

Thanks!

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You're the Browns' GM - The Eagles have just offered you a take-it-or-leave-it offer of McNabb for your 2nd round pick (38th overall) and the late 3rd rounder you acquired from the Jets (93rd overall). Would you do that deal?
Yes
64 votes
No
69 votes

133 votes | Poll has closed

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given that we don’t have much at QB now, i think we could get a decent replacement, that would certainly be an improvement, for less than what you propose. we need too much talent to let those crucial picks get away for a QB on the downside of his career.

by Dawg Nuts on Feb 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

All of this.

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by rufio on Feb 19, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted no; not because I’m not interested in McNabb, but because I’m not willing to throw a top 50 and a top 100 pick in for a 33 year-old QB whose mobility is likely to shorten his playing career in relation to other QBs.

I know the offer was take-it-or-leave-it, but to counter with our own take-it-or-leave-it offer, I’d propose #71 (3rd round) and #130 (from TB, 5th round). If the Browns were a competent QB away from being a playoff contender, I’d consider your offer. But we need talent everywhere, and giving up those two picks for a QB who may be past his prime is not a good fit for our team.

Basically, i think you’ll find willing trade partners with more to offer than the Browns.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Feb 16, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I voted no; not because I’m not interested in McNabb, but because I’m not willing to throw a top 50 and a top 100 pick in for a 33 year-old QB whose mobility is likely to shorten his playing career in relation to other QBs.

I know the offer was take-it-or-leave-it, but to counter with our own take-it-or-leave-it offer, I’d propose #71 (3rd round) and #130 (from TB, 5th round). If the Browns were a competent QB away from being a playoff contender, I’d consider your offer. But we need talent everywhere, and giving up those two picks for a QB who may be past his prime is not a good fit for our team.

Basically, i think you’ll find willing trade partners with more to offer than the Browns.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Feb 16, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I voted no as well, because I wonder if we would get more than two good years out of him. If we can get three good years out of him I think that would give us an extra year to find a QB and still allow him to sit for a year or two without completely hurting the teams chances for success.

Also I don’t know if we can become a playoff team in two years and I don’t know if I would want McNabb for that much for two non-playoff years.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 17, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

I voted yes, but might be less reluctant to do such a deal if we weren’t able to come up with some sort of 3-4 year extension for Donovan since he is in the last year of his current contract.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

I can see how as a fan of a team accustomed to winning, you would like to follow a popular player onto a team that will be a dynasty in this decade.
And you are welcome to become a Browns fan for other reasons.
It becomes a question of who made who. I don´t want our ascent skewed by “guarantee players”, as nice as they may be.
The Eagles is a good organization, and the purely football philosophy is similar to how ours will be. So I assume we will be interested in similar players. Chances are, you have players on your roster, that we would like. We do not want players you are done with.

by mooncamping on Feb 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry, I mis-spoke here. Of course you can follow players onto a new franchise, that´s part of what makes fandom interesting.
Just Donovan McNabb in particular, I´d discourage. His legacy and image is strongly affiliated with the Eagles. You might say, well so was Joe Montana´s or Brett Favre´s towards their respective franchises. But I get a feeling, people think Donovan McNabb will finally “deliver” on his Super Bowl promises as a Brown. Which to us would feel cheap, because it has a mercenary for hire quality. We need someone who will mesh with the identity requests put forward by the fans and supporters. Donovan McNabb does not fulfill our requirements at this pivotal time.

by mooncamping on Feb 19, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Not me. If McNabb finally delivers on his promises wearing a Browns uniform, put me in the mercenary for hire corner.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Bring me your Randy Mosses, your Terrell Owenses… your Clinton Portises, your Jeremy Shockeys… if these players, perceived to be jackasses by few or many, bring a Super Bowl title to Cleveland, I’ll be the first to pat them on the back during the parade down E. 9th street.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on Feb 19, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i’ve never bought the whole “doing it with our kind of players” thing. our kind of players are the ones who bring us a championship, i don’t much care if they’re assholes or not. if they’re assholes who don’t produce or ruin the chemistry of the team, then i don’t want them; but if they’re assholes who bring us a super bowl, how much does one of their jerseys cost?

by Dawg Nuts on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn´t go so far as to call them assholes, even if that´s probably how the fans of their former teams will feel about them. But yeah, some star power might represent a change of heart in traditional Cleveland fans´ approach to signing proven talents. Can you see brown Ernie Sims jerseys?

by mooncamping on Feb 20, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

Think Saints fans care that Brees was a Charger first?

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 19, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Drew Brees was unappreciated in San Diego.
Donovan McNabb on the other hand has been milked for blood regularly.

by mooncamping on Feb 20, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

If you name the right stars, they can come. But trust me, if we do attain the Super Bowl, it will be by making our own talent evaluations, that means snubbing the scouts.

by mooncamping on Feb 20, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We have our own scouts for this.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 20, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean those minimum clearance, damage control artists?

by mooncamping on Feb 21, 2010 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Cost is too high.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 17, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. That’s a lot to give up for a QB at his age.

Besides, even if McNabb is available I doubt the Browns will get him. The Vikings and Cardinals are both in a position to win right away so they need McNabb a lot more than the Browns do. If he does get traded I think he goes to one of them.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 17, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Needing to win right away doesn’t give them an advantage though. The Eagles will take the best offer, and if the Browns want they can make a better offer than either of those teams. Needing to win does make it more likely that those 2 teams will offer more than the Browns, but they might also try and pretend like they are going with Leinart and Tarvaris next season to lower McNabb’s trade value.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 17, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind throwing Minny a late pick for Tarvaris Jackson.

He put a 4-5 game stretch together in ’08 that makes him worth a look.

If my choices are a 2nd for Kolb or a 6th for TJax, I am firmly in the TJax corner.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Only a 2nd? If we can get Kolb for only a 2nd, I’d cut Anderson, try to trade Quinn and give up a 2nd for Kolb and that 6th for Jackson.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 17, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about TJax. he could still use some development but for a lower price, I would definitely take him over Kolb. I think he definitely has some promise.

by bross09 on Feb 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

For the price that you suggested, in a heartbeat, if only to have a better viable backup. I’m interested in seeing if Brady could actually wake the hell up, and play like he means it. I really hate wasting 1st rounders, too much of that in our recent history.

The All-America Football Conference was created in June of 1944 to compete against the NFL. Even though the league outdrew the NFL in attendance, the continuing dominance of the Cleveland Browns led to the league's downfall.

by J. W. on Feb 17, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sunk costs. If Brady is not the right guy, say good bye to him. Also, it wasn’t just a 1st rounder; it was a 1st rounder AND a very, very early second rounder (which ironically, was used by the Eagles to take Kolb). Another great move by Phil Savage!!!!

by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, interesting. I actually looked that up, and you’re right.

by JimmyK on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I’d pull the trigger on both those trades.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Feb 19, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

What´s his quotient towards success, on what we are forced to believe will be the Cleveland Browns? (sarcasm, because I´m saying you actually have calculated reality effectively, so as we are forced to think you can magically affect mathematically how we will win, and then also of course funny because that´s actually ridiculous but not because it was demonstrated last year to be expected of us to think it is proven)

by mooncamping on Feb 18, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Needing to win does make it more likely that those 2 teams will offer more than the Browns

That’s exactly what I meant. A QB like McNabb is more valuable to the Cardinals or Vikings than to the Browns — because he can put them over the hump to win a Super Bowl — so I would imagine they’d be willing to give up more to get him than the Browns would.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

too much to give away, maybe for the second. philly would never go for that though they’ll want at least a 2nd and 3rd for him,
looks like everyone is split though. tied 55-55

by brownsMania on Feb 20, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted no, as well. The value of the (hopefully) longer term investments in our team that need to be found with the picks in this draft outweigh the short term value of a player with McNabb’s abilities at this point in his career. Likewise, I don’t think we should use a first or secound round pick on any QB this year in part because we should give BQ a chance to be the unquestioned starter.

by chitown browns fan on Feb 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

I voted yes, but now that I see why people voted no, I change my vote because it makes more sense.

by emily522 on Feb 17, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

I voted yes- contingent on us getting a long-term deal done with McNabb.

I know you said take it or leave it, but in real life, a negotiation might lead to a 2nd and a 6th or a 3rd and a 4th.

If it came down to a 2nd and 3rd, I’d still say yes. I think McNabb has a bunch of good years left. I’ve said several times that quarterbacks’ values are overrated, but at this point, I think we would need to take a chance on a damn good QB.

Bottom line, other teams will be more likely to give up more as winning in the short-term is a bigger possibility with the right QB.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

This is where I’m at as well. I think 2-3 years of winning games under McNabb will do this franchise wonders.

We can recover some of the value by bailing on Quinn.

The 2nd and third is a steep, steep price to be sure. The return value, though, is greater than what most people here are allowing themselves to admit.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Feb 19, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell to the no. If we were a QB away from contenting then definitely. But why would we trade away 2 important picks for a QB when it will make us a half decent team, then after two year we don’t have developed players that could have been acquired with those pics? Maybe if we made better use of the 3 2nd rounders from last year. But since we didn’t, we need the one for this year even more

by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 17, 2010 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

I said yes, and I admit I did so without much thought for the consequences. I guess I just got excited over the possibility of a an honest to goodness good QB in the Browns’ backfield. Also, I just assumed that such a deal would have to include getting him for several years.

I think if the Browns can address the right side of the O-line that could lengthen McNabbs’ productive years.

I suppose after a bit of reflection I’ll change my vote to no because we need those higher draft picks, but not yet. I want to keep looking at that mental picture of a quality Browns QB for a while longer.

by JustBob on Feb 17, 2010 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

I voted No, because cost is to high for an old injury prone QB.

by cboldt12 on Feb 18, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

I said no, because we have way too many weak spots to waste that high of a draft pick on an old QB. Granted, if we could get ahold of McNabb and allow him to start in front of some rookie or 1-year of experience young QB, that would be an ideal situation. Allow a young QB to develop behind an experienced veteran. Look at Aaron Rodgers. However, we have too many holes to fill in our defense. With the managment folks letting players like Andra Davis, Leigh Bodden, and Sean Jones go, Holmgren and company have more than a few holes to fill. I know everyone is picking Cleveland to take Joe Haden at #7 overall, but my early prediction was and still remains that I would like to see Eric Berry become the Browns’ 1st rounder for 2010. With us needing a player at the safety position, as well as a new, young, explosive cornerback to pair with Eric Wright, I don’t see and personally would not give up my 2nd round pick or either of my 3rds for McNabb.

-Mike

by Mike_Stevens on Feb 18, 2010 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think people pick Haden because it seems like a foregone conclusion that Berry will be gone by then.

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Feb 19, 2010 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know of anyone here that has Haden rated over Berry.

Getting rid of Bodden (who I was a huge fan of) was an absolute steal, plus it bolstered our defense. His health had been an issue for years, and only in the last few games with the Pats did he get back to being productive.

Andra Davis was a replacement level player; we’ve had no difficulty at all finding mediocre ILBs.

Sean Jones, another player I liked, didn’t start for the Eagles. He was/is more replaceable than I’d have thought two years ago. Still, though, I’d have preferred we kept him.

With us needing a player at the safety position, as well as a new, young, explosive cornerback to pair with Eric Wright, I don’t see and personally would not give up my 2nd round pick or either of my 3rds for McNabb.

This is fair, but the QB position is head and shoulders more important than any other. Settling that for even just a few years could be worth the listed price.

Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.

by danvail on Feb 19, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the QB position is a definite need right now. I was tossing aroun the idea last night of Cleveland drafting Colt McCoy in the 3rd round, assuming he’s still there. I have yet o see a mock draft with McCoy going in the 1st round, and don’t think anyone’s going to snag him in round 2 either. The only problem I continued to fin with drafting McCoy is the fact that we already have DA and Quinn, both of whom aren’t that old. One of them would have to go, but neither has the veteran leadership qualities to pass on to McCoy. I still hope we get Berry with our 1st round pick, but in the eveent that Berry and Haden are both gone by the time our #7 pick comes on the clock(ive seen mock drafts with both berry and haden gone by then) I look fr the Browns to do what Bill Belichic taught us best…. trade down. Trade down and snag a couple of quality players rather than grab one just because we wany him at #7. If Haden & Berry are gone, why would we want to try and give any of our unproven other prospects #7 money? Either way, McNabb is not the answer. I we could snag Kolbi suppose I would support that decision.

-Mike

by Mike_Stevens on Feb 20, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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