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Around the Pound (2/25): The Market for Asomugha, Patten Signs With Old Team Again

In today's edition of Around the Pound, we take a look at trade rumors regarding one of the league's best cornerbacks, the new home of WR David Patten, Mike Holmgren's take on quarterbacks not showing up at the combine, and more.

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Jets Interested in Nnamdi Asomugha

I like to credit myself for memorizing some of the more difficult names to spell in the NFL (such as T.J. Houshmandzadeh), but I still have a tough time any time I try to type out Asomugha. Thankfully for the CTRL+C and CTRL+V features, I won't have to worry about that too much here.

Anyway, rumors are circulating that the Oakland Raiders are willing to dump off pretty much any of their players now, including Asomugha if the deal is right. The issue is his contract, which makes it nearly impossible for him to be tradeable. The Jets are cited as a possible team that might be interested in him.

If Asomugha really wants to play with Revis and experience life under defensive savant Ryan -- and get out of Oakland while he's at it -- perhaps he'd be willing to restructure his deal to play for a team that's trying to, you know, win.

The possibility of Asomugha still seems remote because of his contract, but the fact the Raiders are dangling him around the league makes you wonder how nauseous AFC East quarterbacks will get at the mere thought of him and Revis in green and white together.

It is noted that Asomugha is scheduled to make $16.59 million guaranteed this season. I doubt the Raiders would be able to move him. In the remote chance that Asomugha did restructure his contract to play elsewhere, I'm sure it would be to a team that was a contender last season (which remove the Cleveland Browns out of the mix).

Star-divide

New Home is Old Home for David Patten

Late in his career, WR David Patten can only seem to catch on with his former teams. Last year it was with the Browns in training camp, and this year it looks like it'll be with the New England Patriots.

Since Patten was out of football in 2009, it would be a stretch to call him a lock for a roster spot. But this isn't one of those sign-and-retire type contracts. The Patriots saw enough of Patten in a workout to believe he could possibly help -- at the very least in offseason work.

With WR Wes Welker injured indefinitely, Patten might have a legitimate chance at making the Patriots' final roster.

Holmgren Disappointed in Quarterbacks

Quarterbacks don't want to disappoint team president Mike Holmgren. I'm not talking about Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson, but rather the quarterbacks at the combine who have decided to bypass the combine drills. Quarterbacks not participating include Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Dan LeFevour.

"I don't get [not throwing]. Someone has sold a bill of goods to some of these kids," Holmgren said.

"One thing I always told the quarterback was to throw at the combine. Participate. I always thought, at that position, it was a mistake [not to throw]. We know you're going with receivers you don't know. Very rarely do you get dinged [downgraded] on a combine thing. But it can help you."

Around the AFC North

As a new addition to Around the Pound, I'll try to include the best headlines from each of our three AFC North affiliate SB Nation websites:

Off-Beat Notes

  • The talent group on American Idol this year? Compared to the past, all I can say is "yikes." Not a single person had a performance that even came close to making me think, "this guy/gal is a frontrunner." If someone put an average performance on, it seemed like a brilliant performance compared to the other crap. The contestants better improve quickly, otherwise this will be the worst season talent-wise by far.
  • LOST continued rolling with another great episode, especially the Claire/Jin/Smocke storyline. Hurley has been great too, and it's encouraging to see Jack's character evolving. For next week's previews, ABC didn't really show any clips, saying it'd be too big of a reveal. I'm expecting something big to happen again this Tuesday.
  • Isn't it painful to watch the Olympics sometimes, especially when someone falls right at the start of their event? To the casual viewer, it might be easy to move on. But if you've waited four years for that one, crunch-time moment and you can't even get past the start to show your skill, that has to be extremely crushing.
  • I loved Jackie Earle Haley's work in Watchmen and am currently enjoying his role in FOX's Human Target. Now I'm intrigued to see how he does as Freddy Krueger in the remake of the film series. Here is the trailer link: Nightmare on Elm Street (Remake)

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Nmadi Asomugha is the best of all midget cornerbacks in the NFL, he actually attacks the rush. He will get hurt eventually though. He could be a killer at safety though.
Patten was cut by us. The Patriots picking him up is suspect.
Mike Holmgren is wrong. He has no right to preposition these fine college athletes into aborting their plan of action. They have after all given their all in college, and there is ample evidence of scout salivating to downgrade talents, based on split seconds and a perceived weakness in meeting the expectation of the hour.

by mooncamping on Feb 25, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

i’d say Holmgren’s track record earns him the benefit of the doubt on any talent evaluation matters. but i do think combine numbers are a little overrated.

by Dawg Nuts on Feb 25, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I was for giving him the keys to the franchise in the beginning. He talked a good game.
Meanwhile, he´s the new guy.
I wouldn´t say the numbers are overrated per se. We´re just dealing with evaluation processes that can negate all prior efforts.

by mooncamping on Feb 26, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Haley’s role in Watchmen was great. I think the new Nightmare movie is going to be good. If he brings a fraction of intensity over from the Rorschach character, he’ll make Robert Englund proud.

I like to consider myself a horror purist, and I usually frown upon remakes, but this looks good. The new Friday the 13th was decent and the new Halloween (first one) was alright.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Feb 25, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I saw Rob Zombie’s remake and it wasn’t bad; though on the same note, without knowledge of the original storyline it probably would’ve been awful. I haven’t seen Halloween II (released last August), but I know neither one garnered very good reviews overall.

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by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen H2 yet either, and quite honestly, I don’t know if I ever will. I’ve heard so many bad things about it that it sounds like another Halloween 3. Gross.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Feb 25, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

…and I never saw Halloween 3 because of the bad reviews on that movie. I saw the original 1 and 2, and then H20.

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by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t ever waste your time. You’d have more fun playing in a piranha tank.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye!

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by Andrew Tolliver on Feb 25, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

or more fun watching Saw VI

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t honestly like rob Zombie’s version. granted, I have never been a fan of him as a director and have watched the original a couple times. but, if there is a halfway decent director, I would be excited to see haley as freddy kreuger.

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

When he first appeared in that trailer I thought it was Rorschach.

by gahnki on Feb 25, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved Haley as Rorschach, the only qualm I have with him as Freddy is that in the previews it sounds like he’s using the same exact voice. I know this is a minor thing, but every time I hear his voice I’m going to see Rorschach in my mind, not Freddy Kruger, and as Christian Bale proved, bad voice acting can make a great movie laughable (The Dark Knight). To me Englund was comedically menacing, which made me love the Elm St series. Seems Haley is trying to be just plain menacing.

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by North Coast Flea on Feb 25, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

I loved dark knight the first time…

but then I started hearing that christian bale voice and it would make me laugh…

When did batman become possessed by satan?

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

bad voice acting can make a great movie laughable (The Dark Knight)

WHERE IS HE?

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by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is probably why the Joker laughed all the time.

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

On a related note, the best Joker laugh of all time.

by gahnki on Feb 25, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll agree to an extent. I wouldn’t say its exactly the same, but similar.

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by Andrew Tolliver on Feb 26, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I love how all movies now are essentially remakes. That’s awesome.

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Did you know they’re remaking Ferris Bueller’s Day Off? Not even kidding.

If it stars Zac Efron, I may jump off of a cliff.

by emily522 on Feb 25, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

supposedly they want to star all the old ppl and make it like ferris in his 40s…

plot sounds really dumb.

they are also releasing remakes of footloose and red dawn…

also remade is the A-Team series into a movie. tron is coming out next year too…

Some other rumored are:
Death Wish
Knight Rider series into a movie
Meatballs
1984
and the Dirty Dozen.

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Either remakes or finally making sequels that were in developmental hell is definitely a hot trend now.

The remakes are happening for TV series too.

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by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2010 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TV series being made back into TV series?

TV series as a movie?

Or both?

I know the A-Team is already mostly done being filmed as a movie…

It is so true…not only did we just see a ton of sequals this year (Transformers, Taking of Pelham, friday the 13th, Fame) but there are about another almost dozen that have already been mostly made and are coming out next year…

YAY!!!!

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

TV series being made back into TV series.

On ABC, “V” is a remake of the old “V” (though that was a TV miniseries I believe).
On the CW, “90210” and “Melrose Place” are pseudo remakes I suppose.
On NBC, they did do the Knight Rider remake, but I think that might be over already.

I’m sure there have been a few other recent instances as well.

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by Chris Pokorny on Feb 25, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew 90210 and Melrose…

I was thinking more of stuff that hadn’t happened yet. I already knew about 90210 and Melrose…

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

1984 with digital animation could be interesting.

by gahnki on Feb 25, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't even realize they made a movie about it...in 1984...lol.

I don’t know how good it is though.

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The book is way better than the movie. Orwell was a genius.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 25, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh…obviously. there is no way the movie would be better.

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It is amusing how hollywood rehashes everything…

Some other remakes I have found out about…Top Gun, Karate Kid…

Hollywood Just rehashes everything:

http://www.cracked.com/article_16665_5-upcoming-remakes-80s-movies-that-must-be-stopped.html

Not just plots:

http://www.cracked.com/article/231_5-things-hollywood-reuses-more-than-plots/

by bross09 on Feb 25, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I might have to see Tron.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

/puke

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 25, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Blasphemy.

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Do a CGI movie of “Thundercats”. That’s the only ‘stolen idea movie’ I want to see.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 25, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

You mean Lasercats?

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 25, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell is Lasercats?

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 26, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

There are 5 SNL digital shorts

Here is one of them.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 26, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. That’s just horrible. Garbage like that is why I haven’t watch SNL in over 10 years. It’s not funny anymore.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 26, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Peyton Manning episode was hilarious.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 26, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel bad enough watching BQIB’s clip. I’ll just take your word for it. :)

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Step one, cut a hole in the box…

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the Rock as Mr. Beepers was pretty solid. Agreed that the quality of SNL is down right now.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I grew up on the show. Why would I "cut a hole in the box" for shit that doesn’t make me laugh? The show has sucked for years.

Agreed that the quality of SNL is down right now

.

I’m glad you argued then agreed with me.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It hasn’t been the same since the samurai left…and the end of the bassomatic.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t really argue that point at all. Every once in a while SNL hits a home run (as in with D*¢k in a Box or Beepers) but they are fewer and further between than in the past. Doesn’t take away from some of the good stuff they’ve had recently (albeit infrequently).

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

To me, "Cut a hole in the box" was telling me to take in the "funny" segments, after I already said that it sucked and that I don’t watch it.
I’ll admit that once in a while (once a month) I’ll stop on the chanel and watch a few mins. I can’t stand it now. The people on there suck ass!!

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

“Cut a hole in the box” is a line from one of the skits….

by gahnki on Feb 27, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

…and its behind the link above.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh ok. My bad, sir.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The Lonely Island isn’t SNL. So that doesn’t count.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. true. but they do air a lot of lonely island productions at times on SNL as digital shorts…

D*** In a box was lonely island but was also on SNL.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but it’s not SNL. They didn’t make it! They just allowed it on their show because they can’t come up with anything funnier. The music vid, "I’m On a Boat", is the funniest thing they have had on their show in years. That’s why they jumped on it. SNL flat out sucks ass now.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree.

Hader is the only good member on there. it hasn’t been good since 1995…I miss al franken.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If its played on SNL why not count it? That’s like saying " I like this new episode, but there was a guest character so it doesn’t count."

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m talking about production. SNL doesn’t make The Lonely Island vids. Therefor they can’t be claimed as SNL skits.

That’s like saying " I like this new episode, but there was a guest character so it doesn’t count"

Far from what we’re talking about.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 1, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Most completely suck.

Hader is pretty funny. a lot of the funnier sketches are often written by him. check out one called bad people, good conversations…its pretty funny…one of the few recent things I like.

samberg is okay at times…

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t stand Samberg. I stopped watching after they cut Horatio Sans, and even then I barely watched, to me the glory days of SNL were the late 80’s/early 90’s.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 27, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, samberg is okay, AT TIMES. there are times where I will totally agree with you on him. sometimes I can’t stand him. however, a lot of the lonely island stuff is usually good…

I think the glory days were 1977-1980.

The era you mentioned was good as well (it ended at about 1995). there was a nuclear fallout on that show in the course of about 2 seasons. from late 1993-1995, they lost:

Phil Hartman
Julia Sweeney
Dana Carvey
Mike Myers
Adam Sandler
Chris Farley
Al Franken (one of the original writers)
Dennis Miller left in ’91
Chris Rock
David Spade (left early ’96)
Rob Schneider
Sarah Silverman (was only on for a short time though)
Kevin Nealon…

there was only one person even remotely funny left and that was time meadows. EVERYONE left…those guys made up an amazing SNL cast.

granted they added a couple funny people like David Koechner, and Will ferrell (and molly shannon) but they couldn’t hold a candle up to the previous cast.

the problem was, turnover. Koechner only spent a season and norm McDonald left soon after.

It got really good again around 2000 b/c they had ferrell, hammond, tracy morgan, and many others, but then molly shannon left, ferrell left, and then they had a lot of unfunny people on there (like jimmy fallon…man I hate that guy).

still, SNL hasn’t been the same since they lost the gifted writer Al Franken.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Fallon too.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 28, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

its not just the fact that he isn’t funny at all, it is the fact that he can never stop laughing!!

by bross09 on Feb 28, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you hate him?

Is it because he is a douchebag? That’s why I hate him.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 28, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost. I hate Fallon because he’s an unfunny douchebag who laughed during every single unfunny skit he was in. Conan O’Brien may laugh at his own jokes but at least he’s funny and doesn’t do it eery single time.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 28, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. even take away the douchebag part I would hate him….

even if he was funny I would just hate him for laughing all the time…He is the triple threat of my hatred.

by bross09 on Mar 1, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Samberg, and I enjoy SNL, but I’m younger so i have different taste.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Like A Boss!

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 1, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

samberg is okay at times. I think the best current cast member is Hader. Not only is he hilarious on the show but he is probably the best writer out of the repertory players.

the only other person I like besides him and samberg is Keenan thompson (and fred armisen only for his obama impersonations)

by bross09 on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, it’s possible that he finds some of their skits funny but still thinks the show’s quality is down overall.

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 27, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they could make a good Ninja Turtles movie, you know, like the 1st one, one that doesn’t involve white rappers, or time travel.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 25, 2010 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Ninja Rap was cool dude

by The Brown Note on Feb 25, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it WAS cool, when I was 5 and didn’t know any better.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 25, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The time travel one was one of my favorites particularly due to the fact that I was 8 and Michael Angelo was one of the most hilarious creatures on the face of the Earth.

But nothing will top the first. “SPLINTER!”

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 25, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mikey was always my favorite turtle.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 26, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The first one was a classic, but knocking Turtles in Time will not do you many favors in my book.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 26, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Turtles in time was the video game and it was the shit. The time travel I was speaking of was the third movie where they went back to fuedal era Japan

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 26, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea I was talking about the movie and also acknowledge the video game’s greatness.

by Roger Dorn on Feb 26, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

The concept of the Ninja Turtles acting as Samurai always bugged me, considering that ninjas were originally farmers who were revolting against the samurai, whom were the enforcers of the rulers of their areas.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 28, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that they were 6 foot talking turtles didn’t bug you?

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 1, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Call me eccentric.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t know this, but time traveling turtles for me at a young age was pretty fantastic.

by Roger Dorn on Mar 1, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 1, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

yup, most early ninja weapons were originally farming tools such as the sickle, sai (used for spacing holes for seeds in a garden), and Nunchaku (used to pound grain into flour and other powdery substances).

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, you would be no fun at a Samurai Convention.

by gahnki on Mar 1, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Or at all.

"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."

by SpecialBrownie on Mar 1, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, way to be a douche.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually like the samurai fighting style, I even own my own katana.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah…because Ninja’s are the adversary of the Samurai.

by bross09 on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I learn something new every day.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 1, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREE
First one was the best. It also had Casey Jones in it.
Second one got a tad goofey. But still liked it.
Third was just stupid.
Never saw the fourth one. Heard it was lame so I didn’t bother.
The FIFTH one comes out in a couple years (2012).

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 26, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are missing out on a whole dimension of movie greatness.

My friend invented this rating scale, and I am a fan of it. It involves two axes. The first is the traditional “good-to-bad” axis, the one most of you guys are using. I like to think of this as the horizontal axis of the movie graph. The second axis—the vertical dimension—scales from “suck” to “awesome”. Often, things such as use of stock footage, horrible lines, botched voice dub-overs, etc. (the same things that can make a movie “bad”) make the movie “awesome”.

Using a more multidimensional rating system can more accurately evaluate and chart movies. For instance, Shark Attack 3 is widely considered a bad movie—and for good reason. The use of stock footage clearly of multiple species of sharks to play the role of the one killer shark in the movie, however, is awesome. As is one of the worst/awesomist lines of all time (search “stupid movie quotes shark attack 3” in Youtube). Ferris Bueller is a classic example of a “good-awesome” movie along with Terminator 2, while movies like Stand By Me can rate as good-neutral, and movies like maybe Citizen Kane and Amélie can be rated as “good-suck”. Zac Efron starring in Ferris Bueller’s day off sounds like it might be in the “bad-suck” quadrant.

A lot of these movies sound like they have the potential to be in the ‘awesome’ half of the graph.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

I think this is honestly a stupid way to rate movies.

1. I don’t consider the stock footage from shark attack 3 and the horrible quotes to make it at all awesome. Was ed wood and awesome director? No. he was horrible. sometimes his stuff was mildly amusing b/c it was so bad. this part is completely subjective and has no objectivity to rate movies.

Obviously it is subjective b/c shark attack 3 is awesome where citizen kane sucks. I mean one axis (the good/bad) sounds fairly objective. the other is completely subjective based on your personal taste in movies and how you define “awesome”.

I would say that trying to graph something like this could possibly work (though not likely) but it should be a little more objective. was 2012 a good movie b/c it blew up the world? No. It might have been “awesome” on some level, but it was a dreadful movie that was hard to sit through. it was similar in many ways to shark attack 3 but with better production value. it was supposed to be a thriller but I left thinking it was a comedy. honestly, I would consider this a bad movie overall but on your scale, because of the quadrant idea, it is just as good as citizen kane.

this kind of system gives too much emphasis on subjectivity. a great masterpiece might not just feel “awesome” when you first watch it but a horrible movie like transformers 2 might to some people.

I just don’t like the idea that a movie is awesome just because it was a horribly put together movie and the production value was bad. the idea of this whole thing is subjective and gives more weight to bad movies that you might like, but are still bad movies. bad production value might be fun to laugh at, at times but that doesn’t make it any better quality of a movie.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

sometimes his stuff was mildly amusing b/c it was so bad.

Exactly. The suck/awesome axis is ironic, not serious.

this part is completely subjective and has no objectivity to rate movies.

Lacking objectivity like every other method of rating movies ever. I am a masters candidate in an arts program that runs alongside a film studies program, you don’t think I know about lack of objectivity in the evaluation of creative works? I have to grade creative works for my job.

All this rating system does is add another dimension in which to analyze movies subjectively.

I just don’t like the idea that a movie is awesome just because it was a horribly put together movie and the production value was bad.

This isn’t the point. Bad production value doesn’t make a movie ‘awesome’ in and of itself, nor is it the sole criteria for establishing a movie as ‘awesome’. I would rate the Matrix and FBDO as in the awesome half of the graph, and both are well-produced. I have not seen 2012, but it very well may be “bad-suck”, lacking awesomeness despite its content.

that doesn’t make it any better quality of a movie.

WHICH IS THE POINT.

Lastly, THIS ISN’T INTENDED TO BE A SERIOUS ENDEVOR. And honestly, I think you are being a jerk.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I am sorry if you thought I was being a jerk.

I didn’t think that this was serious. I mistook it for being serious instead of Ironic. I am sorry I didn’t really get the irony of it.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see your grade scale, and my example is Idle Hands, horrible special effect,acting, etc. but it was still awesome because it was funny as hell.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 27, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

this kind of system gives too much emphasis on subjectivity. a great masterpiece might not just feel "awesome" when you first watch it but a horrible movie like transformers 2 might to some people.

I think that’s the point

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 27, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t get that the whole “awesome” thing was an ironic joke…

It was late…my joke meter shuts off at about 1 o clock…i can’t watch funny stuff after then either.

I do understand the point of bad movies though being “good”

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, where’s my car.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 27, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Never seen it. Sounds like it almost has to be in the ‘bad’ half of the graph.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that movie was horrible/suck

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 27, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

"Dude, Where’s My Car" is a freakin’ classic! I’ve seen it over 10 times. SHIBBY!
Good movie, hell no. Stupid funny, hell yes.

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Feb 27, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

a lot of the movies like this are horrible but they are stupid funny.

by bross09 on Feb 27, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.

by Brownie's Year on Mar 1, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And den??

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 27, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally don’t like Ashton Kutcher as anything but Kelso, and never liked Sean William Scott in anything he was in. Evolution would have been a really awesome movie was he not in it.

The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.

by North Coast Flea on Feb 28, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude! I forgot bout that one!

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 28, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Never seen it – but I did have a friend knocking on my door early one morning asking that same question back in ’85. We were able to spot it in a field when we went to the roof of my apartment building.

by JustBob on Mar 1, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

As is one of the worst/awesomist lines of all time (search "stupid movie quotes shark attack 3" in Youtube).

My friend once tried this at a bar.

Long story short, it ended up with him wearing a red bull and vodka. Awesome.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 27, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

nice.

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by rufio on Feb 27, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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