4 Ways to Handle the Browns’ QB Situation
by OSUMoneyball on Feb 26, 2010 3:14 PM EST
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Here are a few ways I would like the Browns to handle the QB situation. Post any ways you would like to see it handled.
Note all of these assumptions are under the premise that Derek Anderson will be cut.
1.) Acquire Jason Campbell like player.
Using the Redskins as the example for this, the Browns’ acquire Jason Campbell from the Redskins. They name Brady Quinn the starter for the 2010 season. This benefits Quinn in that he is finally given the reins of the team for a FULL year from day 1. Giving him all summer and training camp to develop chemistry with his receivers. I’m not a Quinn fan at all, but I also do feel he hasn’t been given a chance to show what he can do. Meanwhile, Campbell is given an entire season to learn a system and if Quinn doesn’t improver, Campbell will for the first time will be given a chance to show what he can do in 2011, while using the same playbook from the previous season. But this scenario also holds true that Mike Holmgrem gets evaluate both players, and if he doesn’t like what he see’s, will have a better chance at McNabb/Kolb (assuming they both stay with the Eagles in 2010), and/or he can go get a Quarterback in the 2011 draft (Jake Locker, Ryan Mallet, and Terrelle Pryor)
2) Keep Quinn, Acquire Kerry Collins like player.
In this scenario, again Quinn is give a full season to prove himself, but this time he has a veteran leader to guide him. Again this leaves the door open to draft a QB in the much deeper QB draft of 2011.
3) Start from scratch.
In this scenario, again the Browns get a Kerry Collins like player, but just give up on Quinn, and get any kind of trade value out of him that we can. The Browns draft a Bradford, Clausen, or McCoy in the draft, and have them sit for a year behind the veteran.
4) Go get Favre
Because why the hell not. Has history with both Holmgrem and Mangini, and maybe he’ll hold a grudge against the Steelers for giving him his first loss last year. In which case I will go against my general assumption of cutting Anderson, and maybe Favre will teach Anderson how to put some touch on the ball. Or maybe Favre will teach Quinn how to not get injured. BTW, just joking on this scenario.
All in all the most important thing will be to know who the Browns’ starting Quarterback is by April 26th (the Monday after the Draft).
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John Clayton said on Sportscenter this morning that he thinks we’ll have both DA and BQ competing in training camp again. let the vomiting begin.
i’d say holmgren already knows if he thinks BQ can be our quarterback. if he doesn’t think so, i think he trades BQ, drafts Bradford and then signs someone like Collins to hold the reins until bradford is ready; if he does think so, BQ is named starter, he somehow gets rid of DA, and signs a veteran like collins as our #2 for this season.
Holmgren said today that “it’s a longshot” that both Quinn and Anderson will be back next season. Which is pretty much what we all expected. He also said that he doesn’t like QB competitions so I think we can expect to know who our QB will be coming in to training camp this season.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 26, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
John Clayton said on Sportscenter this morning that he thinks we’ll have both DA and BQ competing in training camp again.
So basically, we are definitely getting rid of one of them?
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Are there any “Kerry Collins like players” not named Kerry Collins?
Are there any “Jason Campbell like players” not named Jason Campbell?
by TheDriveStillHurts on Feb 26, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions
By Kerry Collins like players, I am talking about players who have been in the league a few years, and have started a couple of seasons, and their current teams don’t have much of a problem seeing them leave. Like, Kerry Collins, Chad Pennington, or a Daunte Culpepper.
By Jason Campbell like player, I am talking about players that can be quality back-ups with some upside potential. Like Jason Campbell, Tavarious Jackson, or Troy Smith.
by OSUMoneyball on Feb 26, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t put Smith on the same level as Jackson and Campbell. Instead I’d put Vick.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 26, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Brunell is Kerry Collins secret twin brother.
For those who can't remember the uncapped FA rules, this link's for you.
I can see this. Their parents just taught Mark how to throw with his left hand instead.
by Chief WaDrew on Feb 27, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda off topic, but you really think Pryor will come out after next year? IMO he would have to have a Heisman year and win the NC. If he has only a slight improvement, I think it will serve him better to stay for his senior season. Also as a Bucks fan … I kinda want him around for another year.
From his performance in the Rose Bowl, I think he will have a major improvement this year. And if a rookie pay scale doesn’t get implemented, I see him jumping. I think QB’s are going to use Bradford as an example to take the money while you can. Plus unlike other running Quarterbacks, Pryor will have worked under center in college, and from day one on campus has tried to become more of a passing Quarterback.
by OSUMoneyball on Feb 26, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s not get too excited over the Rose Bowl. Pryor had a great game but it was only one game against a team without a great defense. He still has a lot of work to do before he becomes a great quarterback and he’s ready for the NFL. I really don’t see any way that he comes out after next season unless he significantly improves his throwing next season. He’s not really comparable to Bradford at all; he has a long way to go as a passer.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 26, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
So trying to become more of a passing QB suddenly means you should be good enough to skip your senior year.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 26, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
No, his logic was that all that effort is finally paying off, see: Rose Bowl performance.
Someone’s a little OSU-sensitive lately.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Just one game doesn’t mean you are great.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 27, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Right, which is why he added this:
…I think he will have a major improvement this year
Meaning he would need to show that level of passing over the course of the season and probably against better defenses than Oregon’s.
So basically, your first comment was way off base; he hasn’t just tried to become more of a passing QB he’s actually shown improvement, and it wouldn’t suddenly mean he is good enough to skip his senior year, he would have to continue that improvement over the course of next season.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
1. Of all the FA QBs available, what makes you think Holmgren likes Campbell?
2. What makes you think Collins is any good at developing QBs? He hasn’t done much for Young.
3. Start from scratch? Meaning what? Start a rookie? Rarely do rookies start in the NFL.
4. Go get Favre is the most inane suggestion. Why would we pay a premium for this guy? And why would Favre want to come to a team with no defense and no one to throw to?
1. I was saying Campbell LIKE. I chose Campbell because I think he has the most potential out of the QB’s that would be easier to get than Kolb/McNabb.
2. Again Collins LIKE. That was the first veteran QB I thought of that would be pretty easy to get.
3. I guess your not reading. I said draft a rookie, and have them sit behind a veteran.
4. I guess your really not reading. This scenario was just a joke, as indicated by the “BTW just joking on this scenario.”
by OSUMoneyball on Feb 26, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I still think the best way to handle this situation is to keep Quinn, sign a veteran that can challenge Quinn a bit (Daunte Cullpepper?) and see what we have.
If the whole situation is dog sh*t like many think, then we go into next offseason knowing what we need to do.
By the way, am I the only guy who wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on Marc Bulger when he is cut by the Rams?
he could be worth a shot at the right price. I wouldn’t call him an automatic starter but if he can work, I definitely don’t mind him as a backup…he is solid enough to be a good backup but I believe he truly was never starter material and benefitted from an ingenious offense and great players around him. He had easily 2 HOFers when he was doing good, and 2 spectacular players on offense too in Holt and Steven Jackson…and one of the league’s better pass catching tighte ends at the time.
but, enough with that ramble, He could be a great backup.
Well, do you think Carr hasanything left? Bulger’s been smacked around alot also.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Give me Bulger over Carr.
Bulger was a sitting duck in St. Louis. With protection, I think he could be a decent QB.
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 28, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
You´re mentioning Kerry Collins quite a bit there. And what do you mean by “like”, personally, athletically, professionally, like a stooge…?
Vince Young still has a near mythical status with a lot of fans, he could get the nod.
So why “like” Kerry Collins, if he could fill our needs.
Don’t mind me. I’m just getting a kick out of watching these guys regress in focusing on a QB for a team who has no legit receiver to throw at.
If you are saying the Browns QBs badly need someone to throw to, I couldn’t agree more.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why even worry about WR’s until you figure out the QB position?
by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 28, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why bring in a QB if he has no one to throw the ball to?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess this could be viewed as some sort of chicken or the egg discussion, but I don’t.
Good QB’s don’t have to have great WR’s. Brady won Super Bowl’s with nobodies as his WR’s. The Giants won the Super Bowl in ‘07 with an average to below average group of WR’s.
It is hard to have a bad football team with a good QB. It is very easy to have a bad football team with a great WR (Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz before Warner, Steve Smith).
Yes the Browns could use some help at WR, but QB should be filled ASAP.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 1, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agree to disagree?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, like I said, chicken or the egg.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 1, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
All of this.
HOWEVER, I am fine with building the team around a yet-to-be-filled QB position if the guy Holmgren/Heckert/Mangini all like isn’t draft eligible yet. As soon as possible doesn’t mean this year necessarily, but if the QB is out there we have to get him.
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I’ll give this a second rec
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by notthatnoise on Mar 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
So, wait a minute . . . we’re not supposed to look for a better QB until we get better receivers? Can’t we try to improve both positions in the same offseason?
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 28, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t even go there. You guys spend 98% of your time bsing about QBs. It’s an inordinate amount of time and energy and especially on a team that needs so much elsewhere.
I’m pretty sure we spend a lot of time talking about other areas. Most of the draft discussion has focused on Haden, Berry, Morgan, and plenty of other guys who aren’t QB’s, so you’re way off there. I think every single person here knows that the Browns need help in many positions besides QB, and anyone who reads this blog would know that.
Also, who care how much time and energy we spend discussing QB’s? You know what we say doesn’t actually affect the team, right? All you should care about is how much time Holmgren and Heckert and Mangini and the rest of the staff spend on the positions, not us. (That being said, I’m sure they’re all spending a great deal of time evaluating the QB position because it’s the most important position on the team and we have a huge question mark in that area.)
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 28, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think we try and acknowledge all positions that need an upgrade, but QB is the most important position on the field and probably will get the most attention.
by Roger Dorn on Mar 1, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Massaquoi is a legit receiver. Moore could be too if he stayed healthy. Our WR corps is kind of a joke, but it isn’t like we don’t have anyone.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
With all my talk about Ground Hounds and Freaky Flankers, I got away from classic standpoints.
Evan Moore looks like a great classic tight-end.
Mike Furrey, formerly designated as a situational receiver, is a real pearl when moved to classic flanker, ala´ Ward and Welker.
Mohammed Massaquoi has the makings of a bread and butter receiver at wide out, like I said once before neither Steve Largent, nor Jerry Rice, nor Cris Carter, nor other greats at the position in the 80´s had blazing speed.
If I give myself permission to think classic concepts, and we go to an every down I-formation, we are set at receiver.
MoMass is not a legit receiver. He doesn’t have the separation speed of a Braylon or Warfield. So, he must become a football player. This means being better at fighting for the ball, adjusting his route to the ball and playing def back when the ball is thrown more toward his defender.
He’s only played one season in the NFL; he has plenty of time to learn and grow as a receiver. As we’ve detailed many times on this site, rookie WR’s rarely have a big impact in the NFL so MoMass (and Robiskie) still have plenty of time to improve before we need to start worrying about their production.
I have no idea what your point is. We were discussing what legit receivers a veteran QB would have in joining the team NOW.
If you follow Brad’s logic that the WRs are young and will improve with time, Massaquoi should have learned from his rookie year and should be more familiar with what he needs to do the second time around, allowing him to play faster. Next year, when the hypothetical QB would play his first games.
Massaquoi is a legit receiver. He is athletic enough to get open in the NFL. You almost never see a receiver get in and out of his breaks because of the camera angle, so I don’t know what makes you think he can’t move. Every athlete must become a “football player” to get open in the NFL. Good route running will get you open. Do you honestly think Joe J was a better athlete than Massaquoi? He got the job done because he knew how to run routes.
Massaquoi racked up 625 yards in his rookie season while playing in our horrible offense with QBs who didn’t know what they were doing behind a line who flat out could not block some pass rushers on the right side. How can you think that’s not impressive? Even if he only put up 600 yards/year, he would have suitors in FA and would be in the league over several contracts. How is that not a legit NFL player to you? Is he a pro bowler? Definitely not right now. But he’s a legit NFL player.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I did not say he couldn’t get open, why are we addressing this point? I did not say he wasn’t athletic, why are addressing this point? I did not say he couldn’t improve his becoming a football player over time, why are we addressing this point? But, right now, he is far from a good football player. His failure to play football was as apparent in his last few games as they were early in the season. He isn’t good. And if this is the best option of our receivers, a veteran QB isn’t going to be a high leverage acquisition.
By the way, route running is important, but far from the whole story. Once the ball is in the air, a receiver must react to where the ball is thrown. MoMass is spectating when he should be playing football. He expects the pass to be thrown to him or he quits on the play.
And as I said above, receivers often make huge leaps after their rookie season (and even more after their second season) so just because he wasn’t great this past year doesn’t mean he won’t be very good this season. We should expect a big improvement from him, and having a QB who can actually get him the ball would help as well.
I really don’t know how you can tell that he failed to play football over the last few games of the season because we rarely threw the ball in those games so he didn’t have any opportunities to make plays. I think you’re just trying to be negative.
MoMass is not very good right now. There is no way to put a positive spin on that. We both hope he learns the game.
MoMass is not very good right now.
Neither is Matthew Stafford, but the Lions aren’t drafting a QB anytime soon.
You can’t expect a WR to step on the field and dominate right away. MoMass showed flashes and I think we can reasonable expect him to grow as a WR.
If he is making the same dumb mistakes two seasons from now, then we can pull the alarm.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 1, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t have the separation speed of a Braylon or Warfield.
That would certainly seem to be a knock on his ability to get open, at least his physical ability to get open. Also, the route running part to my comment was to explain that route running has a large impact on “separation speed”. Not to claim it was the only thing a WR needs to do.
But, right now, he is far from a good football player. His failure to play football was as apparent
False. 625 yards. In a terrible offense that rarely passed, with no other threats that couldn’t be covered man-0 with no help anywhere. Teams could roll safeties or underneath zone defenders his way and not even worry about the rest of our guys. MoMass isn’t great, and even if you think he is “below average” that isn’t “far from good” or “not a legit receiver”. I am not delusional, I do not think he is the next Andre Johnson. To say he isn’t a legit NFL player or is “far from good” is hyperbole. He already is a legit NFL player.
a veteran QB isn’t going to be a high leverage acquisition.
I did not say it was, why are we addressing this point?
By the way, route running is important, but far from the whole story. Once the ball is in the air, a receiver must react to where the ball is thrown.
I did not say a receiver didn’t have to react once the ball is in the air, of course he does. There were one or two plays where he quit on balls that he clearly was not going to catch and they got picked off. He could have done something about the INTs, but he wouldn’t have made the catch(es). If you don’t think Mangini ripped him for this, you are crazy. I am not trying to say he’s some kind of dominant force with perfect technique and the best motor of any player ever. I am saying he belongs in the NFL, he can succeed at this level, and that he is not a terrible player in the mold of Syndric Steptoe.
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by rufio on Mar 2, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Whenever MoMass could not get a hand on the ball he quit every single time. It’s diva culture. I’ve seen this many times. Even Jim Brown went through much of his career ducking his blocking assignments. I like that we get production from him. He does get open at times and can catch the ball well. I just hope he becomes a football player.
wow, if you found a way to criticize jim brown for his play, you’re just trying to be negative however you possibly can.
I was there. I don’t have to take other peoples’ word for who Jim Brown was. Paul Brown himself said the same things.
then you must be the only person outside of paul brown to think this. either you are some sort of genius or don’t know exactly what you are talking about. I tend to think the latter. prove to me where paul brown ACTUALLY said this too…
and just because he says something, that does not always make it 100% true. its just as likely that he said it at times when Jim wasn’t his best blocking for others. Paul understood the competitive spirit in Jim (and it is pretty obvious just watching him) so a comment like that would make him work harder at blocking. you cannot take every single thing in life (especially if this WAS and actual quote) literally.
Also, Jim Brown was a racist who beat women and forced Paul Brown out of Cleveland. Do your heroes need to be perfect?
yep…everything you are saying is completely true…
yeah. Art modell didn’t oust Paul Brown it was all jim…Art modell’s constant feuds with Paul had Nothing to do with it…
Jim brown beats women…Kobe rapes people and so does Ben Roethlisberger…every time a sports athlete is accused of something it actually happened…right? there is no chance it is someone wanting money or fame…
Jim Brown was a racist…so was Malcolm X. so were any black activists from the 60s if you take them out of context of their time.
Jim Brown was a fine social activist who was wrongly accused of abusing women multiple times and wasn’t instrumental in Paul leaving Cleveland. He carried out all of his assignments with enthusiasm because of his highly competitive nature. Jim Brown is the greatest RB of all time and a fine caring individual.
i’m sorry to have gotten this started. all i meant was that its hard to criticize jim brown for his on field performance, and to do so seems like nitpicking. this was intended as a purely football comment.
I am not saying at all he is perfect but being accused of rape does not make you a rapist. that is my basic point. he did have a temper and that is obvious and it is quite possible that he abused some women but it is also quite possible that many of the times he was wrongly accused. it happens to athletes all the time…and he is one of the most famous athletes in history.
understand you are being sarcastic but it was MODELL that forced Paul Brown out. they have constant feuds.
It had a lot to do with Jim Brown, though. He didn’t like playing for him and felt he wasn’t being utilized properly. So did many of the players. Read Terry Pluto’s book about the ‘64 Browns and you’ll get the story. It certainly wasn’t all Modell.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that many players didn’t like playing for him. I have heard that. I have also heard that he started to get predictable with his playbook. Also, modell didn’t want to take ernie davis but paul did it without his permission and from what I have heard, that was also a main reason for it too…but I will read that book.
Ah, the old “WR’s are divas” argument. Haven’t heard that one before.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 2, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
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If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
And those darn young people, too.
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by notthatnoise on Mar 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Damn whippersnappers.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
He is a fine #2 right now. He just isn’t ready to handle being the only receiving threat.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
He´s a fine #1, we should coach him and keep him for 12 years. He won´t be a regular at the Pro Bowl, but he´ll make the Hall of Fame in his second year of eligibility.
I always pegged MoMass as getting voted into the Hall of Fame three years after he becomes eligible, but second year? Interesting. At least you are not making crazy predictions like a first year HOF’er. I mean, he’s got potential, but we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 2, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m not saying MoMass isn’t a good kid, but how are you guys talking about HOF already? I don’t see it, yet.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 3, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
If all you expect from a #2 is to catch balls every once in a while then he’s a good player. But MoMass doesn’t have any athletic advantages over anyone he plays against. He’s not going to out hustle, out run, out muscle, or out jump any QB’s so unless he has a Randy Moss on the other side he’s only fine at being average
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 2, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope MoMass wouldn’t be trying to out-muscle his QB.
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Brady Quinn is a Bea- I mean he would probably kick some ass, he’s a pretty big ripped dude
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
His face did take a punch from Shaun Smith, I think he could take MoMass. That or Shaun Smith is a big whiny *. I tend to think it’s the B option.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 5, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions
expletive deleted, but it was just 5 asterisks
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 5, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
My money would be on Quinn over Massaquoi. Quinn has him by like 30lbs, depending on the season.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I just got a visual of Quinn slamming an EAS while standing over an unconscious Mass, staring into the camera and dropping the now crushed box on Mass’s head and declaring,
“Now my workout is over.”
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
by Villeslgr on Mar 8, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for makin me laugh
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think the only way we draft a QB in the 2nd-4th round is if we trade away Quinn and get a guy like McNabb.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 27, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions
If the price is right, I would trade off both Quinn & Anderson. I would pick up a “Culpepper” like player (older QB, maybe 2 years left in the tank), and us the received picks to build up Defense backs depth, and Oline depth. If we end up right around the same place as last years record, we can grab a good rookie in next years draft, and use the older QB to do OJT training for us.
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I’m pretty sure that DA will be released no matter what happens to Quinn or anyone else. Also, I doubt we can get anything for DA even if we tried to trade him. Why would another team give up something for DA when they know that (a) he sucks and (b) we’re going to release him anyways (because we’re not paying him that big roster bonus) so they can pick him up for free if they want him.
Because Al Davis likes to think outside of his white, padded box. ; ]
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by SpecialBrownie on Mar 1, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As was mentioned before, I think we need to give up on the whole “maybe the Raiders will trade for DA because they’re crazy” meme because that’s just not going to happen. Just because Al Davis makes some weird moves doesn’t mean every team can pawn off their unwanted players on him. They’re not that stupid.
I know your comment was just a joke so this wasn’t really in reply to you, just a general comment to others who have made similar comments.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 1, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I like #1 and #2 option. I still think its early for the #3 option. However if Holmgren decides that Quinn is not our man I will trust in him. He is a guru with that position. However, I think what is making his job so difficult on deciding is the fact that we killed Quinn’s confidence last year. I was a QB from pee-wee league thru high school. Confidence is preached, preached, and preached some more to you. I imagine that holds true thru college and the pro’s. Mangini took that from Quinn last year. Could he do better if the team believes in him? Could he do better with our receiver corps growing this year? We have to know these answers before getting rid of Quinn. IF we can him and he goes on to some other team and ends up in a pro bowl, how dumb are we gonna feel. #4 option I love, but aint gonna happen
If Quinn let Mangini take his confidence from him in one year, he probably didn’t have a lot of it to begin with. He’s been taking shots to his self-esteem since draft day, he knows he has to fight through adversity to succeed in the league.
It would definitely be better if we said “you are the guy this year”, and actually gave him the full year.
And I don’t think straight cutting him would be worth it. If he plays like a backup, he gets paid like a backup.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Kerry Collins is the best quick fix.
Jimmy Clausen is the sure thing.
For other options, outside the draft, consult my lists from earlier.
After closer review of the choices offered, here is my viability list, regarding this year´s draft:
1. Jimmy Clausen
2. Tim Hiller
…and then you have your Italians: Bill Stull, Riley Skinner and Anthony Morelli.
3. Kevin Craft
4. Tim Tebow (His intangibles surpass my reticence to play a fullback at quarterback)
5. Chris Turner
6. Lyle Moevao
Well something like that, currently.
by mooncamping on Mar 2, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Tim Tebow is a very intriguing draft prospect. There is no doubt that the kid is a winner and very athletic. I don’t know if he has what it takes to be an NFL QB, but with that said, he instantly makes your locker room better. I am blown away by his demeanor through all of the things he is facing right now. Poise, calmness, and confidence that he can, and will make it says alot
We could certainly work with that. Like you said, he´s got his act together, and his spirit is an immeasurable factor.
When they question his arm, that´s non-sense. Guys that athletic come with an arm, we could teach him how to use it.
I bet he’ll win 3 or 4 games by himself just through his locker room presence!! If there’s one thing that we know helps to win games in the NFL it’s the attitude and spirit of the backup QB.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 2, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
And being the son of God is a really huge intangible that should not be discounted.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 2, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The son of god is playing left tackle.
by elsandito on Mar 2, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
And I thought all his success fishing was based on hard work and skill… turns out he just caught one fish and replicated it.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
They came to him willingly.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 5, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he’ll turn all of the water on the opposing team’s sideline into wine, then we’ll exploit their drunkenness. brilliant.
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Brilliant!
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland ...
WTF is wrong with you people … I dont understand why people love Brady so much. WTF has he ever done ? Play one good year of college football against crap teams and play like crap against good teams…but lets forget all that because the girls love him, because he played for Notre Dame and played for a former NFL coach…because hes from ohio…the only reason you should like Quinn is either your a girl or a gay guy.The dude isnt crap for a QB…Let all of you who dont agree answer this question…Name another team where a starting QB plays his first full year as a starting QB, only had a handfull of starts prior to that year. This QB goes on to display a powerfull arm and makes the probowl. That following year he suffers a concussion 2 weeks prior to the start of the season, his big play WR hurts his leg misses some preseason time and has a crap year…his probowl caliber TE is basically hurt all year…the big FA WR that we sign misses almost everygame…the starting RB is closing on 30 and coming off ankle injury…starting LG is down to 280 bc of injury…the RG and RT are a hot mess due to injury….all this goes on and we bench him the game after our defense gives up a double digit lead against baltimore but he manages to find a way to throw a game winning TD but his probowl WR decides to do what he did all year and drops it, so we’ll bench him … oh not to mention his clutch go-to WR missed the entire year also … so yeah with all that crap, lets blame DA and hand the ball over to a QB who is only 9 months younger…give quinn time ? How bout you all quit dxck riding Quinn and give Anderson some time, Only in cleveland could you find a team that’d bench a probowl QB after one down year where the entire offense was messed up from the start!!!!!
WTF iz wrong wit u? How can you not love this?
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
This 18 yard pass missed by approximately 4 yards.
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
by danvail on Mar 4, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Where’s the limp wristed DA pic?
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 5, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not everybody loves Quinn.
Also, DA sucks.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of anger in you eh young padawan.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
Very good points. I’m emailing your comments to all of the GM’s in the NFL. DA is the man and it will take high draft picks to pry him from our team.
wow. take a deep breath; then read any other post on this site to find that we don’t all adore BQ. quite a ridiculous rant you laid on us.
He forgot to mention that there’s a huge market out there for qbs who drill a ball at a receiver’s feet standing 10 yards away. But if you want to focus on the vertical passing game, DA can give you big yardage, as long as the triple coverage he’s throwing into can’t see the ball coming.
by elsandito on Mar 4, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was a former Derek Anderson supporter, but after this year I’m off that wagon. I’m not a fan of Brady Quinn, I just think he is more servicable than Anderson. And I would like to see exactly what he can do before the Browns move on.
Some 2009 stats to support getting off the Derek Anderson wagon:
Jamarcus Russell QB Rating (50), Yards/Game (107.25), TD/INT (3/11)
Derek Anderson QB Rating (42.1), Yards/Game (111), TD/INT (3/10)
by OSUMoneyball on Mar 5, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
What kind of numbers do you expect from a qb who has no offensive line, no viable receivers, no running game, an OC who doesn’t know what plays to call, an owner who spends his time in the UK, a city that let its football team get away, an economy from hell, …………………………
no offensive line
Wrong
no viable receivers
True
no running game
Wrong. (How much of the season did you actually watch?)
an OC who doesn’t know what plays to call
True
an owner who spends his time in the UK
Irrelevent
a city that let its football team get away
Really?
an economy from hell
Well, that’s also Anderson’s fault
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
It’s hard to get inflection from print.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
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