Browns Organizational Love Has One Flaw
by realmccoy on Feb 28, 2010 6:47 PM EST
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When Randy Lerner named Mike Holmgren as the football czar - it created unbridled optimism through the Dawg Pound. A few months later, and no one is disappointed, as he has named solid leaders, opened up communication, and Mangini has responded with a class that many people thought he did not possess.
Still, there is one burning issue that bothers me. How is it possible that Brian Daboll is an offensive coordinator that deserves to be retained, and BQ is a quarterback that has potential to lead this team? I love Brady, hell - I even liked the picture of him in his Bernie Kosar football jersey when he was 5. But either he has showed absolutely nothing, and we seriously need a QB - or Daboll is so bad as a coordinator that he deserved to be axed.
I tend to believe Daboll was a serious downer and perhaps Quinn has some potential in the tank. What is key - is that the Browns get a solid backup plan at QB - just in case Daboll was not the problem.
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how do you get a feel of what brady is when you trade his #1 wr edwards #2 wr winslow even though hes a te, stallworth gets a dui. Then you got daboll with so little faith in our wrs he calls a screen every other play. If you have no deep threat you will have 8,9 in the box. I’m shocked we ran as good as we did the last part of the year. goes to show i think our o line is pretty good C to LT anyway. I agree how is daboll still here.
Still, there is one burning issue that bothers me. How is it possible that Brian Daboll is an offensive coordinator that deserves to be retained, and BQ is a quarterback that has potential to lead this team?
Isn’t this two issues?
What he’s asking is how is it possible that BOTH are true. Acknowledging the fact that one may have severely hampered the other (resulting in the cluster-f we witnessed), it is therefore possible that either Daboll is worth keeping or Quinn is worth keeping (but not both, certainly).
Brady Quinn will never be a good quarterback for the Browns.
Cases can be made for and against both.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 4, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I’m not sure what the supposed “flaw” is about our organization. Let’s give these guys more time before we start finding flaws in their methods. After all, we haven’t even had the draft yet and you’re already complaining about the QB position! We have no idea who our QB is going to be in September.
Daboll was not good last year. My only hope is that he got caught up in trying to do too much with inexperienced and untalented players. It wouldn’t make sense for a guy to be able to work his way up the NFL coaching ranks if he were truly awful.
That would explain why we had no identity on offense until late in the year and why we looked so confused from the design on down to individual players at times.
Later in the year, he could have figured out that by trying to make an offense that does everything, he turned us in to a “jack of all trades but master of none”. From that point on, it looked like he simplified things and was able to better tailor the offense to the talent we did have. Either that or the players finally caught up to the playbook and we started executing.
It could be that Daboll is actually an intelligent guy who knows his Xs and Os and he just made the mistake of thinking he could get the whole team to understand what he did in a very short period of time.
Or he could just be a moron. I don’t think any of us sitting at our computers can really know.
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At least Holmgren brought in his guy to work with Daboll now. So it’s as if Holmgren thinks Daboll has something to contribute.
Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.
Right. I’m sure Holmgren spent plenty of time discussing offense with Daboll before deciding to retain him as coordinator. If he really didn’t know what he was doing then I doubt Holmgren would have kept him around. Hopefully he’s learned from his mistakes and will be much better next season with Holmgren’s help.
by Buckeye Brad on Feb 28, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely 100% correct! I’m sure Mike Holmgren has interviewed and talked with Daboll and he must have seen something he liked. And now he has hired Haskell on to mentor Daboll. I would not look to much into Daboll yet. Yes, I cursed some of the play calling he was doing last year, but at the same time we had no wide receivers, a horrible right side OL and two quarterbacks with 0% confidence thanks to Mangini.
yes…the team lost all of its offensive firepower and we had to develop players. I am not a daboll fan by any stretch but he definitely didn’t have much to work with and looking back, it is not surprising it took a little while for the offense to find an identity. if he is horrible again this year, maybe then I might want to get rid of him…
If Holmgren thinks Daboll deserves a second chance than that is good enough by me, he has over 1000X the football knowledge that I do, and I ain’t gonna lie, I was one of the people calling for Daboll’s head halfway through the season.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 4:26 AM EST reply actions
Offseason transactions haven’t even started yet, how can you be mad that we aren’t addressing the QB position?
I am mad that Holmgren has been here for almost three months now, and we still haven’t made the post-season.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 1, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I was reading a post on the OBR a week or so ago. A topic was created by a user who said that he had high hopes for Holmgren but now has since lost faith because of the inaction and lack of moves.
Don’t you often wonder how people can be so clueless? I mean, if you care enough about the Browns to create a post on a website discussing the team, wouldn’t you at least make an effort to follow what’s going on and have a basic understanding of the draft and free agency? How can someone be so out of touch with reality? Or maybe they’re the type of person who always needs something to complain about.
Or both maybe.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 1, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why don’t people know that this is the NFL’s down time and that there are regulations?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 1, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
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