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Keep an Eye on the Vernon Gholston Situation.


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Did you say 6'4" 260 with a 4.5 - 4.6 forty time and strength numbers that rival offensive tackles that outweigh him by 40-50 lbs? Yeah that's Vernon Gholston. On paper this guy is a Hall of Famer. Unfortunately for the Jets those kinds of evaluations just haven't translated onto the field (raise your hand if you remember Courtney Brown).

The Jets aren't happy. Gholston has $10 million in the bank and is yet to record a single sack in the regular season.  Now the possibility of an uncapped season is leading some Jets fans to call for the team to cut Gholston and his huge contract with no fear of a cap penalty. Given that Gholston is a Mangini guy, should the Browns take a flyer on the unproductive linebacker?

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Gholston's unproductive rookie season was written off as learning a new position (OLB from DE in college) but this year the jet fans have started to question the former Ohio State star's toughness and desire to play the game. In this NFL climate, everything is 'what have you done for me lately?' but a guy with Gholston's talent could turn it around given the right situation. Mario Williams and James Farrior were high draft picks who were initially considered busts but eventually blossomed into productive players, so it is possible to turn it around after a couple tough seasons.

 

Having scouted, drafted and coached this guy, Eric Mangini must have at least some read on what to make of Gholston's lack of production. Is it the brash nature of Rex Ryan's Jets too boisterous for the soft spoken Gholston? Is the cerebral linebacker just trying to cope with the "paralysis by analysis" that sometimes plagues athletes who 'think too much.' Do the bright lights of New York and its accompanying media scrutiny not mesh with the midwestern Gholston?

Or does Gholston not have the "nasty streak" that helps some of the most tenacious defenders play with the physicality and wreckless abandon that the NFL demands? We all watched this guy blossom at Ohio State. Did he look like a guy who just didn't care about football to you?

Gholston, to his credit, hasn't visited the Joey Porter school of voicing one's displeasure. Exerpted from an article about Gholston in the Star Ledger.

‘‘It’s not for me to say whether I should be playing more or whatever the case may be,’’ said Gholston, who has played sparingly down the stretch as the Jets try to make a playoff run. ‘‘I just show up to work every day and whatever they ask me to do, I do, and try to get better. I’m not trying to be a distraction.

‘‘We’re in the playoff race. I just rely on the coaches to put us in the best position to win. That’s what I’m putting it (his inactivity) toward.’’

Asked if he’s upset or angry about his reduced role, Gholston said, ‘‘That’s not my mind-set. For me, I’m up on all the special teams and that’s what my role is. All you can do is play what is given to you.’’

 

One might call this "being a good soldier." Many Jets fans say that his response is a sign that Gholston is aloof and doesn't care how he performs as long as the paycheck keeps coming.

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum (you all know him by now right?) said Gholston will definitely be back next season. Tannenbaum praised Gholston’s "great work ethic."

"This is going to be an important offseason for him," Tannenbaum said. "I have no objective information to say that this guy doesn’t love football."

Unless something changes, I think that means they aren't planning to cut the guy just yet.

However I get the feeling that Gholston could be moved for the right price. I loved Gholston when he was at Ohio State, I even had a class with him. He definitely looks a little stiff and stands too tall on film, I get the feeling that if he put his immense talent to use he could salvage his carrier in the NFL and be successful. I think it all comes down to if this kid has the desire to get dirty and improve or if he just doesn't have the desire. He definitely has Mario Williams kind of potential.

Given the Browns recent history of deals with the Jets, I think IF Mangini still thinks Gholston could be productive, and IF the Jets are ready to cut ties with the former #6 overall pick, the Browns could probably get him for a couple of mid round picks, if they are willing to take on his contract (about $11mil of guaranteed money). Moreover, the Browns could probably renegotiate his contract to (at the very least) frontload some of his money into the uncapped season and make the rest of the contract heavily incentive-laden. Which would basically give him an (expensive) one year trial period while subsequent years on his deal wouldn't have a big cap footprint.

Keep in mind this guy is just 23 (he could be in the upcoming draft as a 5th year senior) and has elite physical tools (compares favorably with Brian Orakpo and Sergio Kindle) I think dealing for him might make sense for the Browns because he has the kind of upside you just don't see in the third round, and a change of scenery might be just the thing that can get this guy going in the right direction.

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Would you trade a third round pick and a conditional second or third round pick in 2011 to the New York Jets for Vernon Gholston?
Yes.
81 votes
No.
104 votes
Why would the Jets take that trade?
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I would trade a 6 & 7 pick for him, on the condition his contract is to be reworked down to a managable rate ( No guaranteed money – performance ladened only). This guy is a bust, and if you want to take a chance, then offer little and see if it pays off.

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by J. W. on Feb 3, 2010 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

Um, to all the people who think this is a good idea, remember my UFL article that was posted months ago. Vernon Gholston= Very bad idea.

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If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 3, 2010 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

The point that needs to be made here, is that the Browns run a 3-4 defense, we´re just in love with linebackers.
The traditional 3-4 does not employ an edge rusher. Ever.
The Defensive Linemen line up within the Offensive Tackles every darn play. Always.
Due to this fact set in stone, they are proportioned to be Defensive Tackles, in the fray every play. Only the one in the middle, is allowed to be of different proportions. The traditional NG has a huge upper body, long strong arms and short stout legs.
What I´m saying however, to wreak havoc on every down, all three of these guys are Defensive Tackles, with at the most different skill sets.
I know people are tempted to use Ahtyba Rubin at Nose Guard. But if you follow the traditional rationale delineated above, he can just as well be dominant as an outside Defensive Tackle.

by mooncamping on Feb 3, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

what?

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Feb 3, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually skim through the comments without reading the poster’s name first.

Invariably, when I am halfway through a post that starts to describe body part specifications, I stop reading because I know whose post I am reading.

by fivekmd on Feb 4, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

HUGE Ohio State fan here….

No thanks.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

i might trade a fifth for him, on the condition he reworks his contract. there’s potential there, but the risk is huge, so we can’t really give up a lot.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Feb 3, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t trade a twinkie for him.

If I hear "There's always next year" one more time...

by SpecialBrownie on Feb 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but:

Delicious Twinkie > 5th round pick.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

especially when it’s the last twinkie on earth.

by bross09 on Feb 3, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That movie sucked.

Probably the only Cleveland Browns fan in all of Sydney, NSW.

by skipkirk on Feb 3, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It only sucked if you don’t like incredibly funny and awesome action / comedy film.

by Simmsinns on Feb 3, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. i mean it was no avatar but it was a good popcorn flick.

by bross09 on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d take my chances on him. I wonder how would he do at ILB

by The Licensed Pessimist on Feb 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Firstly, there is no “situation”. Secondly, the fact that he played for the Buckeyes is totally irrelevant. You could have this conversation about any pro defensive lineman who hasn’t played to expectations.

by elsandito on Feb 3, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I’d take a flyer on him if he were cut but that is all.

by mgtbfb on Feb 3, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

I’d invite him to training camp if he were cut, but wouldn’t trade Tim Carter for him.

Ok, maybe Tim Carter.

by danvail on Feb 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely Tim Carter.

by JustBob on Feb 3, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Your premise doesn’t make a lot of sense. The value of acquiring a guy like Gholston is that he would be undervalued because of his recent struggles. That, while he is a athletic freak and possesses first round physical tools, he underperformed in the last two seasons. And therefore he can be acquired cheaply.

2 thirds ain’t cheap.

If they cut him, try to sign him for cheap.

If they want to trade him, offer a 5th or 6th.

Otherwise, it ain’t happening.

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by Ryan Kelsey on Feb 3, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Gholston is the perfect candidate to be cut when the uncapped year starts.

I wouldn’t trade anything for him. Trading for him would mean we take that contract.

Wait for him to be cut and then sign him if you wanted. I doubt he is going to have a lot of suitors.

by Bernie19Kosar on Feb 3, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

young, underperforming, physical specimens always have suitors.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Feb 6, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they cut him and he catches on somewhere and develops. I hate the jets.

"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."

by jaws. on Feb 6, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Vernon:

Do some yoga. Or go to a 4-3 team.

by rufio on Feb 3, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

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