Dear Mike Holmgren,
Dear Mike Holmgren,
So far I think its safe to say that the fans are on board with your leadership. The moves you have made this offseason seem to be well thought out football decisions. Firstly, I love that you have shown a sense of urgency in this offseason. This team needs to become respectable, and fast. Despite this, you haven't taken any significant risks in free agency and seem content to get good players at a good value. For this, you should be applauded. These fans have been starved for a "credible" leader at the helm of the Browns since the team returned. I think you might be it.
You paid Josh Cribbs, and we love it. While Cribbs now makes a huge amount of money for a kick returner, this guy is the heart and soul of this team. He singlehandedly took over that Steelers game last year. Aside from his fantastic leadership in the locker room, this guy is an elite talent. We fans love Josh Cribbs, pleasing him was the right move.
Bringing in Tony Pashos was a good call. We love our offensive lineman here in Cleveland as much as any fans. If you think this guy can replace the awful play of John St. Clair at right tackle, by all means go right ahead.
Ditto for the Scott Fujita acquisation. He seems like a guy who gives you great effort on the field and a great guy in the locker room. With the departure of Derek Anderson, having another classy guy on the team is a great move.
The Seneca Wallace trade didn't exactly knock our socks off, but we know you just want a capable backup who doesn't need a whole lot of reps in practice to be ready in a pinch. We know you aren't going to start this guy. I like that you gave up practically nothing to get him, and that he could contribute sporadically as a Wideout or Wildcat back.
Given Derek Anderson's comments, I'm pretty sure even the most star-eyed DA supporters now feel that cutting him was the right move, both for the roster and the wallet.
I can't say that we are too thrilled that you are showing interest in Jake Delhomme. I know he has experience. I know he went to the Pro Bowl. I don't think the Panthers would have cut their most successful quarterback in franchise history in favor of Matt Moore if they thought Delhomme could get it done. You saw the press conference. The team clearly hated to let him go. Teams don't make a decision like that if they think he just had a bad year.
It seems clear to me that you have no love for Brady Quinn. I hope it is something you saw on film and not just a desire to put "your stamp" on this team by bringing in "your guy." I trust you will do what is ultimately in the best interests of the team, but the wise man once said "trust, but verify."
I think the fans as a whole would prefer that the team find a quarterback with some youth and upside. If you are convinced that Brady Quinn isn't the guy, go ahead and trade him. The fans will back you, but you had better deliver. Derek Anderson is right: We are ruthless.
I am just a regular old fan of the Cleveland Browns, Mike. Do you want to know what I want you to do? We'll let me lay it down for you:
Since you have no interest in Brady, trade him to the Bills. The are willing to hear offers for Donte Whitner. With the likely departure of Brodney Pool this team has a need at Strong Safety and Whitner is an excellent one. He is young, talented and a local kid who wants to come home. If you could get the Bills to throw in a 3rd round pick, it would be gravy in my book.
Second, Sign Troy Smith to be your quarterback. He is a talented athletic quarterback who has a strong arm and I believe good decision making skills. He was a star at Cleveland Glenville High School and Ohio State. He would be an instant fan favorite and I think is the kind of guy who can handle the pressure of being the Cleveland Browns' quarterback. He recently expressed several times that he wants to come home to Cleveland and play. Not to mention he could be had for just a 5th round pick. Better than Spending a 3rd rounder on Dan LeFevour or someone else.
Third: Draft Eric Berry in the first round. I don't care if you have to trade up with the Chiefs. This guy looks like money in the bank and could instantly help our secondary at Free Safety or Cornerback. Since the draft is deep at cornerback, I think we could get great value at the 2nd round spot. One of the second tier CBs will most definitely be there, especially if Joe Haden falls down a little bit. If Jerry Hughes is there though, hes a great option from what I've seen.
Use the rest of the draft to find us depth in the trenches, a TE and if there's a sleeper you like at Wide Receiver. This team has plenty of needs. So we need to find two or three early contributors in the third round or later.
Anyway, just a concerned fan's perspective. Thanks for (never) reading this.
Sincerely,
Jaws, Concerned Browns Fan.
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What is this, a recap of everything you’ve already posted on here 25 times? Is this really necessary?
I was shocked that he suggested signing Troy Smith. Who would have seen that coming? More seriously, why would Baltimore not match our tender? They are not going to give up a guy who knows their entire offense to a division rival. Just not gonna happen.
by TheDriveStillHurts on Mar 10, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he’s a frustrated fan, just like the rest of us. He’s definently venting., so I say go with it, unless your the kind of person that just holds it in until you explode.
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
As I said, he’s already posted these thoughts on here a few dozen times. There was no need to post them in a long, rambling rant.
Also, I’m not sure why he thinks he’s speaking for all Browns fans when he makes his comments.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t. You can clearly see where I transition to just talking about my own views.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I was talking about the first few paragraphs, when you kept using “we” to refer to all Browns fans.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, this is a buttload of total crap. I think Chris will act swiftly on this as well.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
You think that anyone who doesn’t fit into your perfect little world is full of crap. There’s a bunch of people that think you are full of crap. Quit being your neighbors judge! I don’t think you have been given that job yet!
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Well, I’m more on the side of BB, that I’ve already heard all of this explained over and over in other posts. Also, I tread the fine line a sarcasm and jerktitude.
Let me my life dude, you just keep plagiarizing.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh great, now I have the Bosom Buddies theme song in my head, thanks alot SB
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 11, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
You should send it.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Seconded.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 10, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t ask me. I was on my way to the Reds blog and noticed I could post again. (At least until I’m banned again.)
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by golanbatrac on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was lifted over a month ago. I thought you had just decided to go on a hunger strike after that with respect to posting ;)
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 10, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was lifted over a month ago.
Well. That’s the definition of oblivious.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 10, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I had been reading, but hadn’t logged in. If not for baseball season…
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by golanbatrac on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
What is this baseball you keep mentioning?
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 11, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
It’s sort of like football except you hit the ball with a stick.
Football > Baseball
Fantasy Baseball > Fantasy Football
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Rotisserie baseball can be, but the head-to-head versions are pretty straightforward.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
You can eat fantasy baseball?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by rufio on Mar 11, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You had me thinking I misspelled it.
Fun Fact:
Rotisserie, nicknamed roto, is the most common scoring system in Fantasy Baseball. The landmark development in fantasy baseball came with the development of Rotisserie League Baseball in 1980. Magazine writer/editor Daniel Okrent is credited with inventing it, the name coming from the New York City restaurant, La Rotisserie Française, where he and some friends used to meet and play.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
1. It’s the Cactus league.
2. It doesn’t.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t we used to play in the grapefruit league? (interesting note: I missed the g key when I typed this out, thank god I double checked.)
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Troy Smith isn’t going to happen. (Although I did add him on my Madden roster.) If we hadn’t signed Wallace, then we could still hope. But since we did, he will remain in a Ravens uniform most likely.
Trading Brady and drafting Berry I can agree with… well maybe on trading Brady. I’m leaning towards “yes” at this point.
I really don’t see why everyone’s clamoring for Troy Smith. He hasn’t proven anything more than Brady at this point. I like the guy an all but i don’t want to bring in someone just because he’s dying to come home to Cleveland. (see Brady Quinn) I would rather trade Quinn, start Seneca an stay the hell away from Jake Delhomme.
by BrutalMovement on Mar 11, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions
oh and do whatever it takes to get Eric Berry.
by BrutalMovement on Mar 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
It’s just me clamoring for Troy Smith, it is just posted too many times on this site.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
we all know your clamoring,lol. no i know alot of people not just in these forums who are just Troy Smith or bust. He has some upside but with Seneca we dont need him, plus, his accuracy is questionable at best an im tired of having qb’s with little to no accuracy.
by BrutalMovement on Mar 11, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Really liked the article until the breakdown part….I’m just curious what other browns fans are thinking to this point (still very early) about the new FO regime in place. Personally I am loving everything they are doing so far, minus Delhomme.
Delhomme is worse than DA, he’s older and more beat up, if that can be believed. Quinn needs to be given a chance, not just this fake junk like last year. Troy Aikmen looked like crap too for about two seasons of “playing”. Thyough he got to play, and became really good. Brady really hasn’t played, and we don’t know – hate to through away someone who turns out to be a great QB. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if it weren’t for the ineptness of Mangini. We would already have concrete proof is Brady is a waste or not. Thanks Eric for doing a crappy job!
Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?
Eh, Mangini is not to blame for the Brady blunder, he inherited that mess from Crennel/Savage.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 11, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should look for Troy Smith on eHarmony and take him out to Red Lobster.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
I’d say take him to Cedar Point, but I’m not sure he’s tall enough to ride the rides.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 11, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is Cedar Point a good place to take dates?
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Cedar Point f%&king rocks! Always go on Tuesdays or Wednesdays. Never any lines for the Dragster or Millennium.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec for “Cedar Point f%&%king rocks!”.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I haven’t been there in a couple years, but I used to go every day of the week and I don’t remember a day where there wasn’t a line for those two rides. We could get on the Raptor and Magnum without a line some days but not those two rides. But maybe that’s changed with the newer rides added.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
The Magnum is a classic. The Maverick takes about an hour and a half. It usuallys takes the longest lines. But for the two rides I mentioned, there are still lines, just not long at the opening of the park on those days.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
It opened early 2008 I think. It’s a full body seat, with essentially a hands device around your head and a lap bar to hold you in. The first drop is 90 degrees plus and actually looks back into the starting position. It then destroys your brain with hundreds of barrel rolls and flips.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hans* device
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think they have one at CP, but I like the rollercoasters where you lay down and feel like you’re flying. I know they had one at Geauga or Six Flags… whatever it was called.
The closest amusement park to me is Carowinds, which is in NC and SC. It’s kind of cool because for some parts of a ride you’re in both states. I went for the first time this summer and it actually had some really good rides.
You’re thinking of the X flight. When Six flags was bought out, it was shipped to King’s Island.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my Physics class got a special pass to CP before their yearly opening two years ago, and we had to ride each ride and get info from the conductor. So I learned quite a bit.
The “paper” was basically to tell the school we did something haha.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I was in physics club in HS. We went to Cedar point during school and had a pizza party. That was the extent of physics club.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Magnum’s awesome. I also like that ride when you’re in the Chinese carts… It’s a rollercoaster and you go over water. Can’t remember what it’s called.
It goes like 5 mph though…
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s still fun.
I’d never ride Dragster. That’s too extreme for me. The first and only time I went to CP it was raining by the time I was going to go on Millenium. So I didn’t because the rain kills with the speed you’re going.
I got my petrified gf to go on the Dragster with me, she was so afraid of it in line, she kind of started having a panic attack. I calmed her down and we went. After that we stood in a longer line again because she loved it so much!
It’s the greatest 11 second ride of your life. And if the car doesn’t make it over the hill, you get shot out again!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
And if the car doesn’t make it over the hill
See, that would be a red flag for me not to go on it haha.
My friend accidentally let his head drop in between the seats once he hit the top of the hill (you basically stop at the top until gravity kicks in) when the car went down, his head got stuck in the wind tunnel. HAHA!
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah well, It’s not.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think they took the ID out to make room for another coaster. I haven’t been there myself in years though, so I could be wrong.
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Nope, I was there last September.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when the Iron Dragon was new; it was the early 90’s and I was about 11 or 12. My dad and I waited forever to ride that the first time. It seemed so cool at the time, but now it’s pretty boring compared to the other rides.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Our class trip in the eighth grade was to Cedar Point (circa 1988), and the Dragon was the best ride ever. Four years later on our senior class trip, not so much.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
OK, so maybe it was the late 80’s and I was about 8 or 9. That seems more accurate, actually.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Iron Dragon for its water-like feel in spots. I still am nostalgic for the Gemini. I haven’t really ridden the newer coasters; I used to go once a year, and I assumed I’d get more enjoyment out of riding the Gemini several times over the same period of time it’d take me to ride one of the new coasters (due to the line).
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by Chris Pokorny on Mar 12, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, no
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
One time I road the Gemini with a friend. Throughout the ride we kept going up and down in our seats, like you normally do on wooden rollercoasters. The ride ends, we look down, and guess what? Our seat belts somehow came off in the middle of the ride.
The Magnum is just OK. It’s much too jerky; after you ride the Millenium Force, which is so smooth the whole ride, the Magnum isn’t nearly as fun any more. The MF is so much better.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. The Magnum is a fun, yet painful trip back in time.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I like Mean Streak because of the jerkiness of the ride. The feeling of being unsafe is the biggest thrill for me.
I hated the Mean Streak — never rode it. I don’t like being jerked around. I love the big hills and fast speeds, not the jerkiness. That’s why I loved the MF so much; it’s pure speed the entire ride after that first drop. I also love the Power Tower (the one where you’re dropped from the top) because of the anticipation of sitting at the top waiting to fall. That’s the only time I was ever scared on a ride was waiting at the top because you didn’t know when you were going to fall.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The wooden coasters are love it or hate it types, I happen to love them. Golan is right though, the Beast is incredible.
is it Kings Island or Cedar Point that has the rollercoaster built entirely inside of a building. I can’t remember the name of that one, but that was probably my favorite. It doesn’t have a hill to start you, bc you take off from a flat area just outside the building.
Yup. For those old enough to remember, it used to be outside and it was called . . . ah, damn, I can’t think of it right now. That was a long time ago, when I was really young. Anybody remember?
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Avalanche Run! That’s it. That God for the internet.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
It was renovated in 1990 and became Disaster Transport. The first time I rode on it, with my dad and younger brother, my brother started to cry when the lights started flashing that said the ride was breaking down because he didn’t know it was fake. Of course, he was about 8 years old at the time.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I rode the PT when I was young and still lived up there, I remember it seemed like an hour that I was up there, the suspense is excruciating the first time, then you hear a click and the sound of people screaming for their lives, man that was a rush.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
The Raptor was always fun. The Maverick hurts but has over a 90 degree drop so it’s pretty revolutionary. The Magnum is a classic that hurts your thighs afterwards.
Oh, the memories.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
That sounded dirty.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Reinstated not 24 hours and you’re already pushing the boundaries huh? Haha.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t been on the maverick.
If you want pain though, the mantis. I have always hated that one. When I go on it
a) it crushes my nuts
b) they try to make you stand with knees locked (they tell you to) but for me, if I do that with the speed of the ride, there are extreme cramps in the back of my knee…so I have to bend them slightly.
Never went on it for those exact reasons. Also, your head gets wrecked just like the Mav.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I went one time with a friend and she went on Mantis. I refused to go on it. You’re pretty much sitting on bicycle seat. No thanks.
You should never lock your knees while they are under any sort of load (i.e. more force than your bodyweight). Knees should be straight but not locked when under more force than that.
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Didn’t the Mantis used to be called something else originally?
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
They were going to call it the banshee when they first announced the ride (before it was built) The name was changed to mantis once it was completed for some reason.
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yup that was it. thanks
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Magnum XL-200
Enjoy amazing views of Lake Erie, Soak City and even Canada
Should’ve been on the lookout.
The things you can see on top of the Dragster and Millennium will make you crap your pants. I could clearly see Michigan from The Dragster alone.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
You can see pretty far from the top of the Power Tower too.
The sporting gods hate Cleveland, they give us false hopes, then yank it out from under us like a tablecloth.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Cedar Point is a great place to take anybody. I grew up a half hour from there and went all the time during the summers of my college years. As SB said, go during the week and the lines will be shorter.
by Buckeye Brad on Mar 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Troy Smith. Why are you always threatening stuff on yourselves?
It´s like a perverted reverse psychology.
by mooncamping on Mar 11, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You lost me at the Quinn trade with Buffalo. I laugh at the idea that we can get Quinn for Donte Whitner and a 3rd. We’d be lucky to get either of those for Quinn right now, much less the two of them combined.
"There is a small, but important difference between peeing in the pool and peeing into the pool." - Demitri Martin
Dear Mike Holmgren,
We Browns fans love amusements parks. Also, wooden roller coasters rock, and we dislike having our privates crushed by bicycle-like seats.
I am just a regular old fan of scary rides, but I still remember The Bat. I think you should make opposing offenses feel like they’re riding The Bat when they face the fury of our improved defense.
Anyway, just some fan perspectives. Thanks for never reading this. (No, really. Thanks.)
Much respect,
DBN
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 11, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Plus, if Holmgren was even interested, Smith would have had an interview already. Jaws’ BFF won’t be going to Cleveland.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
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