Possible Mid round Sleepers.
by jaws. on Mar 12, 2010 2:49 PM EST
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PrintThe Browns have to find some good value in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds this year if they want to compete in the AFC North next year. Here are a few names you might want to get to know:
3rd Round:
- Andre Roberts WR The Citadel
This guy had an amazing senior bowl week. He is pretty small (5'11, 195) but displays good speed (4.46). He has shown fantastic hands and body control. Scouts I've read rave about his route running and ability to create separation. Very good in the open field running after the catch.
- Gene Atkins DT Georgia
A little undersized ( 6'1 293) for the 3-4 but his measurables at the combine were great (4.75 40, 34 reps in the bench). Add in a teriffic senior bowl week that included a beatdown of Mike Iupati and you have a guy who's stock is up. The downside is that he will definitely be gone early in the third, and might sneak into the second.
- Ben Tate RB Auburn
His prototypical size (5'11 220) and good 40 time (4.45) have quietly moved Tate up draft boards. He reportedly looked good in drills at the Auburn pro day, and would fit in nicely as the Brown's between the tackles bruiser. Potentially could be there pretty late in the third round.
4th Round
- Tony Washington OL Abilene Christian
Ok so we all have heard the story about how this guy became a sex offender, but its not every day you can get a 2nd round talent in the 4th round. The incident with his biological sister happened 7 years ago, people can change a lot between ages 16 and 23.
- Kyle Calloway OL Iowa
Perhaps a less risque 4th round sleeper. Kid has good size and projects to be a solid right tackle prospect.
5th Round
- Ed Dickson TE Oregon
With the acquisition of Ben Watson, this position is no longer the glaring need that it was. Dickson might be a really nice pickup down here. His measureables are very good (6'5, 250, 4.61 40) and he has been a really consistent target for Oregon the last two seasons.
- Eric Olson OL Notre Dame
This versatile offensive lineman can play center or guard. He has shown a good combination of size, speed and strength. A very disciplined player who could be a big plus for our offensive line depth.
- Jeff Byars OL Southern Cal
USC's version of Eric Olson. Solid athlete who could play center or guard and as good physical tools. Injury history has dropped his stock a bit.
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The latest WalterFootball mock doesn’t have him in the first four rounds. I think the his latest mock is weak, though; it doesn’t even have Thaddeous Gibson in the first four rounds either, and the buzz on him is second round now.
I don’t think Danario will be taken in the first 4 rounds. there are serious questions everywhere about him.
a) he has had some major injuries and surgeries in the past and now has another injury to the knees, where the rest of the injuries were.
b) what do his numbers show? he had inflated stats in a spread system and there were a lot of questions about how he would produce in the NFL.
c) many people thought he didn’t have the physical skills to play in the NFL. there were many questions about his speed. not only did he not play in the senior bowl (injured in practice) but he also missed the combine and will now miss his pro day.
d) IF the surgery goes according to plan, he will probably be healthy by training camp. if it takes longer or if he gets derailed, he could miss significant time in Training Camp.
Conclusion: this injury really hurt him. not only was he not able to show his speed, but he had a history of injuries and now will be drafted basically injured. There are major questions if he can even play in the NFL since he didn’t really run complex routes at all. walterfootball even said “Danario Alexander will be a good fit for a team that doesn’t require its receivers to run routes”
My prediction: by draft day he will keep dropping and be drafted in the 6th-7th round. Walterfootball recently had him as a 5th-6th but missing pro day will hurt and on draft day, there will just be too many questions for owners to draft him, especially since they haven’t seen him play in person (except if they visited mizzou during the season)
what do his numbers show? he had inflated stats in a spread system and there were a lot of questions about how he would produce in the NFL.
So how do you distinguish his numbers from those of Jeremy Maclin and Michael Crabtree, both first round picks that had strong numbers playing in a spread offense?
didn’t macklin have great speed? Didn’t he shine in the senior bowl? didn’t he go to the combine? Wasn’t that only his first major injury?
with alexander, you have a guy who is a bad route runner, very questionable speed, and an injury history about as long as Jason White’s. when you injure your knees multiple times and are a receiver, that is extremely worrisome.
The system argument is usually flawed. I am sure you know my feelings on this. Can he get open? Can he beat different kinds of coverages? How are his hands?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
all questionable. he benefitted a lot from the routes. I watched him play and his speed was very unimpressive and so were his hands.
I watched every single Mizzou game, and I thought Alexander was more of a pure receiver than Maclin coming out of college (meaning he ran better routes, and ran better deep routes.) The one thing that concerns me because I didn’t get enough chance to see is whether or not he can beat physical press coverage in the pros, but for me that is a question mark right now and not a No.
He can’t beat the press though.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I hear, but I haven’t seen visual evidence to support that. This may be the reason he ultimately slips.
You haven’t seen the evidence because the only team that plays man press in the Big 12 is Texas. So we really don’t know if he can or can’t beat the press.
I disagree though when I watched danario. when I watched him, I felt like he didn’t create separation as much as he needed too. he also wasn’t a great route runner from what I saw either. what I saw is a guy who can operate fairly well in space, but couldn’t get deep and was not overly physcal.
From a result of the offense or because of his ability? I don’t know because I don’t watch enough Mizzou to answer, but it’s a legitimate discussion question.
Well, I guess my questions aren’t necessarily disagree but because I legitimately have a difficult time in situations like these figuring out the difference. I think Alexander does have some major injury concerns, and is probably a bit slower than both Maclin and Crabtree. That said, Alexander was a lot more impressive on the field than Maclin was, and Maclin was phenomenal.
So my question is, and this is a sincere question, as amateur scouts here what do some of you specifically see that makes Alexander that much less of a prospect? I get the speed. His hands were perfectly fine (having watched every Mizzou game.) He was dominant and played well against good defensive teams even.
Let’s say a team drafts him in round 3. Will people be saying oh that’s a reach, or are they just saying that because they read on a few amateur mock drafts that Danario should go in round 5 or later?
The thing is, I don’t think you need great speed to be a great WR in the NFL. Boldin and Fitz, cases in point.
I only watched him in one or two games, but it seemed like he didn’t have any problem getting open, even against teams that have good defenses. His hands looked solid, but he didn’t make any miraculous catches. He’s not the same type of receiver as Maclin or Crabtree—he’s bigger and slower, and definitely more physical than Maclin (probably more physical than Crab, too).
I don’t think it would be outrageous to hear his name called in the 3rd. But those other two guys were gamebreakers in college. The other teams knew that they were getting the ball, they were gameplanning around them, and they still produced. You could see Maclin running away from people on film. You could see Crabtree losing every DB that tried to cover him. Alexander just isn’t as good at what he does IMO. That isn’t saying if he’s picked before the 5th that’s a massive reach, just that Crabtree and Maclin were pretty surefire 1st rounders.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
You don’t need speed, but you need some sort of physical or mental advantage over the defensive back. Boldin and Fits aren’t the fastest, but they can out jump and be physical. Steve Smith may not be able to out muscle or out jump DBs, but he can out run and do good routes to get around them. All of the top WR’s have some kind of skill that makes them elite.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 17, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitz’ vertical is not even close to elite for a WR. He’s just good at going up and getting the ball. Boldin is one of the toughest players in the league. Both are big and strong. Steve Smith (Car) actually can out-muscle and out jump a lot of CBs, he’s just short.
I never said you don’t need physical skills to succeed at WR. And Alexander at least has the frame and the potential to develop those skills (getting open, being physical, muscling his way into position, running routes, plucking the ball away from his frame, etc.). He’s taller than both Fitz and Boldin, and doesn’t weight a whole lot less. It’s up to him whether or not he wants to develop into a beast of a WR or be out of the league in three years.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
did Jerry Rice have elite physical skills as a WR?
He ran a 4.71 at the combine. plus I don’t believe he was an elite jumper. he was 6’2 but he was successful in ways that weren’t about physical gifts like speed and strength. he had very soft hands and was an immaculate route runner.
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He didn’t have great timed speed, but he had great game speed. And he had the ability to work harder than everyone else.
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Bingo. Not to mention that Jerry Rice ran perfect routes.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 18, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, not reading all the comments comes back to bite me.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why I think Andre Roberts would be a really nice get. He is a more developed prospect without a whole heap of upside but I think he could be a really solid productive receiver, Derrek Mason style.
5’11 is smallish, but he has pretty good speed and very good routes. Absolutely fantastic hands. Deceptively solid frame that could really out-muscle the smaller cornerbacks. Nice complementary slot guy if we play Robiskie and Massaquoi on the outside.
Those big upside guys could be really nice players but right now I think the Browns need a guy who looks like a low risk consistent performer, and Roberts could be a nice value in the early third round.
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exactly. He did have very good game speed but he wasn’t the most physically gifted receiver. not that that is a bad thing…he did have some good physical skills
However, he just had the softest hands, perfect routes, and I agree that it seemed like he worked so hard.
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I think his point is, Alexander has a lot of questions WITH the benefit of playing in a spread. Both of the players you mentioned were viewed differently at this time last year.
I am saying the only real difference between Maclin and Alexander that I see is 40 time. Both had the same knee injury.
but
a) this is Alexander’s THIRD major knee injury
b) Alexander has missed the senior bowl, combine, and pro day. while this isn’t in a way completely fair to him, there were definite questions about how he would fit into the pros and the injury is just creating more questions.
What are the three knee injuries, again?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
RIght, but were they like sprains or bruises or are we talking multiple ACLs on one knee/microfracture?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I am not sure. I think they were more serious.
Mostly unknown Danario Alexander put on a show in Missouri’s win over K-State
Injured most of his career
SI article on him
He did tear his ACL in 2008. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/11/mu-trainer-describes-danario-alexanders-comeback/
I am pretty sure he had a major knee injury.
He has also gotten a broken (or sprained) wrist too…
I am not sure if the ACL is the same knee that he just injured. Either way, he has been fragile throughout his career and that is one of the main reasons he has not put up consistent numbers before this year.
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also. I was looking it up…this most recent injury was on his left knee, the knee where he previously tore his ACL. He had 3 surgeries on it too.
Danario Alexander will have surgery Monday to repair a re-torn ACL ligament in his left knee – the same knee that he injured in the 2007 Big 12 Championship game. Alexander initially tore the same ligament, and had resulting meniscus damage in the knee as part of that injury last December, but had successful surgery in the off-season and was fully cleared to practice toward the tail end of Mizzou’s recent spring practice period.
I guess he injured it, then reinjured it, now has cartelige damage on the same knee…
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Actually, it seems like it is getting to the point where he risks not being drafted. I didn’t realize it was that serious.
Yeah that’s some pretty serious stuff.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
yeah. I didn’t realize it was all to the same knee.
ACL Tear
2nd ACL Tear
Now Cartilage Damage
The one positive is if he does end up being healthy enough for the NFL, he could end up being the NFL version of the 6 million dollar man.
some team will draft him thinking “We can rebuild him. We Have the Technology”
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yeah if somebody wants to try and use microfracture on him. I can’t think of anyone who has done Microfracture in the nfl.
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Marques Colston and Kenny Phillips also.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but for most places the buzz is not 2nd round.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
4th or 5th.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of Danario. His imposing physical frame is great, but he isn’t a complete receiver. He had a very weak performance all week at the senior bowl and just didn’t look very good running routes. Aside from his injury history the scouts have some questions about his hands, as he showed a tendency to body catch some balls as well.
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The latest mock at walterfootball has Demaryius Thomas going in the 3rd. Most mocks had him going in the early 2nd, TRSS mocked him going to us, but that was before his foot injury. Although his stats were limited because he played at Georgia Tech in their run happy system, I think he has a chance to be a really good receiver in the NFL. If he is there in the 3rd, I like the pick.
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Having watched Bebe (his nickname) throughout his college career, I worry about putting him against a #2 or higher corner. He mainly ran go routes and won jump balls in college. I worry about getting off of press coverage and his limited route running. Not a bad back in the 3rd, but certainly not a difference maker. He’s a beneficiary of having played in an option offense that never had him face double teams or guys who didn’t have “gotta stop the run” in the back of their heads.
Hard for me to say about any player from my alma mater, but he could wind up a flake at the next level, not to mention he had a LOT of drops towards the end of his final year at Tech. Two of them cost us games in the 4th quarter.
Gotcha. I admid to not watching too many GT games so I’ll take your word as a more informed fan. Since you mentioned drops, I guess maybe he isn’t the option that I hope for. Do we really want another one who can’t catch?
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Not a bad back?
I think the reason Thomas is all over the place in mocks is that he is an ‘upside’ guy. He is huge and fast and has some ball skills. If he reaches his potential he could be ridiculous, but you know he is a guy who will take a few years to reach that potential if he ever does.
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Demaryius Thomas could be a fantastic player at this league. He has flashed pretty good hands and has great size and vertical speed. Unfortunately he is a terrible fit in the west coast offense (not a polished route runner at all) and will almost certainly be drafted in the second round, not a good value for the Browns.
With our second round pick we should definitely target one of those fringe first round guys that falls out of circumstance.
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So let’s say that he is a 2nd round guy who falls out of circumstance into the 3rd, would you be ok selecting him with the idea that over time we develop his route running?
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you know, yeah that would be a very nice value in the 3rd round. However, some other team is likely to have that plan and take him in the second. He has first round physical tools but his weaknesses slide him to the second.
A guy who is imposing physically that could be there in the third is Carlton Mitchell out of South Florida. He has great speed and size and physically compares favorably to Thomas from Georgia Tech. He also has the same drawbacks: he is a vertical threat who is very raw running routes. He can make the spectacular one handed grab but sometimes can drop easy catches because of a tendency to catch the ball with his body.
Big receivers like these could be great in theory, but especially in the west coast offense is where their weaknesses in reading coverage and running crisp routes get magnified. I think that our best option is probably a guy like Andre Roberts. He isn’t the most physically imposing player but he could plug right in and does all the little things right.
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If you are running “the West Coast Offense”, and you happen to land a guy who is a great vertical threat, you let him be a vertical threat.
The Eagles are smart not to try to have DeSean Jackson run a lot of routes over the middle vs. LBs, they let him go deep.
And Walsh loved bigger WRs.
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oh yeah. Big is great. Fast and vertical is great. But to really run the system well you have to have at least 2 darn good route runners.
Thomas could help, and he could be a very good player in any system no doubt. But for where he is going to be drafted, I don’t feel the Browns have the luxury of picking a player who needs so much time to develop.
If I were one of the better teams lower in the second round and I thought I could develop him into a complete receiver, I would be all over Thomas.
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I considered Jackson a poor route runner coming out of college. We need players who can get open and catch the ball.
And I thought his stock was 4th-5th round right now, not late 2nd. We need our 2nd rounder to be able to produce pretty early. I think we’d like 3rd rounders to have a chance to contribute early too. I think the 4th round + picks are just pleasant surprises if they contribute at all.
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Huh? I agree totally with everything you just said. I don’t see what you are objecting to?
I too want early contributors in the first, second and hopefully third rounds, thats why i recommended Andre Roberts.
4th round and on it’d be nice to pick up some depth on both sides of the line.
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But to really run the system well you have to have at least 2 darn good route runners.
Jackson was not a “damn good” route runner coming out of college, yet he saw a lot of success his first year because he could get open one way or another and he caught the ball. Also, if you are talking about the Walsh version of the WCO, you need at least one RB who is good in the passing game, too.
Thomas could help, and he could be a very good player in any system no doubt. But for where he is going to be drafted, I don’t feel the Browns have the luxury of picking a player who needs so much time to develop.
I think Thomas will be drafted in the 4th+ rounds (or at least that is what is reported as his stock right now), and therefore we would have the luxury of giving him time to develop. We couldn’t expect a 4th or 5th rounder to start right way, which is why I talked about the 2nd and 3rd rounders (in contrast to the later picks).
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Yeah Jackson can get open in other ways, the eagles have other guys who can go over the middle.
Demaryius Thomas in the 4th? I thought people were talking about taking him in the second? He would be a fine pick in the 4th or so provided we can still get some offensive line depth down there.
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His injury will probably drop him to the third. MAYBE the 4th.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Atkins is strictly a 4-3 player.
I think I might make an article like this..
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions
make an article fanpost like this
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Atkins is strictly a4-3one-gap player, probably.
He would be very good in Dallas’ or San Diego’s 3-4. I think he would get bored in ours, a la Corey Williams.
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And he isn’t strong enough for it.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 12, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
He is probably strong enough for it, if his bench numbers is any indication. 34 reps is great for his size.
For the two gap system he is a bit small and athletic. But his good strength could counter that. Rufio hit the nail on the head, the guy could just not be happy with the two gap role on first and second down.
If we were to have the luxury of picking him (he might go earlier) he could be a nice versatile lineman. Would make a pretty good DE who could be fantastic sliding in over the guard in “under” and “bear” fronts. He and Shaun Rodgers could also make a fearsome pair in an unorthodox 2 down lineman nickel or dime front, like what Belicheck and Mangini have occasionally shown themselves partial to.
Interesting guy who could give Rob Ryan some interesting options.
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He had 34 reps because his arms are shorter.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Warren Sapp had 17 bench reps at the combine.
Bench reps don’t matter.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 13, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Quickness and leverage, my friend.
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A scouting report I read said he had “treetrunk-like legs and massive calves” He might be a little undersized, but he is strong and has good technique.
He still is more naturally suited for the one gap system(he is just absolutely perfect for the tampa 2), but he could be an interesting addition to a two gap system. His stock is up a little though and so he might end up in the second round.
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If we draft Washington, I don’t know if I could be a Browns fan any more. That sob is certifiable and I don’t want him on our team. Well, I’ll still be a fan, but I’ll trash that asshole every chance I get.
And what’s wrong with you jaws? He ef’d his sister, but hasn’t done it since. So it’s all good now? That’s ok with you because he would be a good 4th round pick? That’s scary. You might be just as insane.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions
A lot of famous people were into the family lovin, look at Edgar Allan Poe, and emos sure seem to love him. I am not condoning incest, just stating that it happens, even FDR married his cousin. It was even more common the farther back in history you go, like with the royal families of Egypt, something about keeping the bloodlines “pure”.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
And Oedipus lived happily ever after.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
guess what else they did back in those times in egypt? they didn’t sower. they didn’t wash. there were also a lot of other things they did that would be barbaric by our standards…saying it happened in egypt long ago is not a valid argument because we do not practice other archaic traditions that they did,
Like I said, I don’t condone it. I actually think it’s pretty messed up. What were the circumstances though? Did he know she was his sister? Stranger things have happened before.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Dirt is playing in my head while I’m reading this thread…say it…“your my sister, your my sister”
Christopher Walken was awesome in that movie.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Stop giving examples and excuses for admissive incest. Just stop.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Did you only read half of my post? I DON’T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question. I did not make any excuses even if it sounded like I did. Also I’m not trying to stick up for the guy, I never even heard of him before he was mentioned here.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I DON’T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
That should be your signature.
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by golanbatrac on Mar 13, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Done, by popular demand.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, that got recced? Cool.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Its is kinda funny. lol
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I did read your post. Even though you said you don’t condone it, it sure sounded like you tried to defend it.
And I don’t care that King Tut’s parents were brother and sister. It doesn’t make it right.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t, and I’m sorry if it came out that way.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s done. Let’s leave it at that.
Your new signature does make me laugh though.
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by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the context of this kid’s indiscretion was, but I don’t know if harassing him about it would be the right thing to do. Its not like he’s out there promoting incest and in a relationship with his sister to this day. Maybe he was just a kid who made a really big mistake. I did some stupid things when I was 15, didn’t you? (I never did anything that stupid, though).
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and even in that situation, it is still just disgusting.
I was reading a long article on it. from the way he talked and the way information was given, it highly doubt he didn’t know his sister.
I agree it is disgusting, and thank you for answering my question without accusing me of making excuses for incest like BY did.
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by North Coast Flea on Mar 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, I know YOU don’t condone it. Ok? I never said you did.. But don’t sit there and give examples of people who do. I don’t want to hear it. It just creeps the hell out of me.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t pretend to know the circumstances of the incident. I also have never interviewed the guy. He might be a fkn weirdo but he might just be some guy who made a strange mistake and now will never live the story down. Of course you have to interview the guy and see if he throws up the “psychopath” red flag.
I have no way of knowing of course, but it is pretty brave to enter the NFL draft knowing full well that dozens of people are going to ask you to bring up such a disgusting and embarrassing thing that you did 7 years ago. He might just be a regular guy now who has to try and live such a terrible thing down.
All I know is value when I see it, and this guy is value in the 4th round.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
I wasn’t trying to attack you. My head just exploded when I read that section.
Good point about hearing what he has to say about it, but it won’t change my mind.
Also, no one needs to pretend to know the circumstances of the incident. He forked his sister. Not his cousin, not his aunt, but his sister. Plain and simple.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
again, not trying to say the guy is all better now, but do you not have anything really stupid you did when you were 16?
I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.
by notthatnoise on Mar 13, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I did some stupid things. But I didn’t fork my sister.
What now dude? Stop defending the act.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 13, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
It seems he had a very troubled childhood and a lack of proper parenting. Being uprooted from your home by the worst natural disaster in U.S. history probably played a part in the mistake as well.
I’m certainly not advocating drafting him, but writing the kid off for the rest of his life is as large a mistake as the one he made. Forgiveness has to be practiced somewhere.
by gahnki on Mar 13, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t think Dickson will be taken by us because he can’t block.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Well, since I probably won’t come to DBN as much anymore, I’m not sure if I should post my sleepers post. Do you all want me to?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, and stick around.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Well, I might come back some but it won’t be as much as before.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I asked you to stay before, but I don’t care anymore. You keep saying that you’re gunna leave, but yet you keep posting comments.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I am posting now, but it’s Sunday and isn’t much to do, so why not.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t sit there and say that you’re gunna leave, then say you’re only here because there’s nothing to do. It doesn’t make sense.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not going anywhere. You love us too much. Just Stay!
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
stupid reply button
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone has a reply fail every now and then.
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 14, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Send mixed signals much?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you keep saying that you’re leaving. STFU and stay. We like you. I don’t know how else to put it.
If you're at the table and you don't see a sucker..... you're it.
by Brownie's Year on Mar 14, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, left me for him huh?
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I didn’t know.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok I’m this close to peeing myself. I can’t withhold the laughter
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 15, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I just read a new scouting report on Andre Roberts WR The Citadel.
included was this line:
Simply doesn’t drop the football – period
With the Struggles Braylon Edwards had, I am now completely sold on Andre Roberts. By all means spend a 3rd rounder on him.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
He had one hell of a game against the Presbyterian College Blue Hose this year.
Dawgs By Nature -- where Hitler, apparently, 'did some good things'.
Not entirely relevant, but I’ve had an eerie feeling regarding the Citadel ever since I read this article.
rape school is my guess
I DON'T CONDONE INCEST. All I did was ask a question.
by North Coast Flea on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Might be, i’ve heard it here in Louisville.
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
I’ve never heard it and I’m from KY
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 16, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sketchy? I’ve heard it a lot.
"Spartans never die Jorge. They're just missing in action."
by SpecialBrownie on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard sketch
They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best
About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback
Heres a video of Andre’ Roberts. Very Derrek Mason kinda guy. Maybe a little more dangerous after the catch. Unofficial 4.4 at the combine, good routes and just does not drop the football. I think he is the best WR in the 3rd round and fits the Browns’ needs at the position.
"My signature is only one line. You're welcome."
Andre Roberts scouting report.
Love his hand-eye coordination
Simply doesn’t drop the football – period
He sounds like the anti-Braylon.
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